How did China lose Central Asia? ⚔️ Battle of Talas, 751 AD - ALL PARTS

How did China lose Central Asia? ⚔️ Battle of Talas, 751 AD - ALL PARTS - Abbasid Caliphate vs China

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@HistoryMarche Жыл бұрын

After many requests from you guys, I merged all parts of the Battle of Talas mini-series for easier viewing. I hope you'll enjoy the video and thank you so much for watching!

@danielsantiagourtado3430 Жыл бұрын

Our pleasure, this is peak material!

@vitorpereira9515 Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate!

@egoborder3203 Жыл бұрын

why so many ads? And why don't you place them in natural breaks instead of letting KZbin put them wherever?

@muhammedabbas4266 Жыл бұрын

Ah this explain how I have watched it before.

@PTG44 Жыл бұрын

Do a series on the war of the Spanish succession or the Russo-Turkish war of 1877-1878

@TheGeneralGrievous19 Жыл бұрын

Arabs in 8th century: "Caliph, are we going to fight the Wisigoths, the Eastern Romans, the Franks or the Chinese now?" Caliph: *Yes.*

@MohamedMohamed-ws7mq Жыл бұрын

You forgot Indians, khazars,berbers,Turks and khazars

@Ppoim Жыл бұрын

Zenata imazighen Akbar imjahden Tarik ibn Zaid Maghrawaden Al murabiteen Al mohwahideen Meriniden Wattasiden Abdelkarim khattabi Omar mohtar Mohamed amezian Ibn battuta

@Ppoim Жыл бұрын

The visigoten, vikings where destroyed by imazighen And the also fight the franks etc

@ZaidKhan-su3ey Жыл бұрын

But Arabs nowadays are weak and their leaders are puppet... Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi tried to revive Arabs but the people who don't want unity of the Arabs and Muslims intervened and finished them through cons piracy and military

@يوسفزهمول-ز2ه Жыл бұрын

@@Ppoim stop spreading bullshits

@samwisegamgee8318 Жыл бұрын

I'm loving the more spherical map style you use on this channel - the shift at 7:45 from central asia back to the mid-east really made me feel like I was moving along a globe.

@ghostd69 Жыл бұрын

There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Tai who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu muslim as most sources agreed it according to historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim

@samwisegamgee8318 Жыл бұрын

@@ghostd69 you need to use punctuation, i had to go to the hospital after reading that

@cavalier6094 Жыл бұрын

Extent of caliphate was really magnificent, same empire fought against Franks and Chinese in same century.

@One10ab Жыл бұрын

Spanned from france to western china. Underrated (simply because most Christian's and westerners dont want to give credit or praise or recognition to an Islamic power) and the greatest empire and state of all time. Top 2 with rome and arguably better when you compare the odds both of them faced

@galihkumara1742 Жыл бұрын

@@One10ab Does its really?

@One10ab Жыл бұрын

@@galihkumara1742 Does what really

@friederichaugustvonhayek1424 Жыл бұрын

Nah ottomans peak islam state

@jasonolivas2282 Жыл бұрын

@@One10ablol not the greatest empire or state of all time. Your rediculous.

@levinb1 Жыл бұрын

The first three days of battle is basically a game of chess (first version of the battle). Both armies about equal, both flanked by a river and a mountain forcing a frontal confrontation, and both well commanded and led by smart generals.

@ghostd69 Жыл бұрын

@crocrox2273 Жыл бұрын

@@ghostd69 ridicolous names that all sound the same

@dextew69 Жыл бұрын

The main difference is the asians are just physically inferior

@lavozdelsur168 Жыл бұрын

@@jaredbradley1796 china > u

@peterl3417 Жыл бұрын

@@lavozdelsur168ronic you say that but China still can’t make airplane engines 😂, only simple assembly of components already made in other countries.

@kata3436 Жыл бұрын

Comment for the algorithm! This is my favorite history channel on youtube for both it's consistently exciting scripting and (though this is more subjective) it's stellar narration. Keep up the great work!

@ProtectorOfDemocracy1 Жыл бұрын

@HistoryMarche I Have no words for this video. Simply amazing and interesting animations. I am sure a lot of people learn something from this. Those battles we don't know are extra interesting. Love your content and keep on making content about battles in our history. I will thank you in the name of all your viewers that you indeed make amazing content. Oh and by the way you EARNED AN ACTIVE SUBSCRIBER.

@nenenindonu Жыл бұрын

Islamic & Sinitic cultural competition over the region reemerged four centuries after this battle between the muslim Turkic dynasties and the Western Liao

@KaiHung-wv3ul Жыл бұрын

Well, the Liao were not really Chinese. They were of the nomadic Qitan(I hope I spelt that correctly) tribes to China's north.

@nenenindonu Жыл бұрын

@@KaiHung-wv3ul They were ethnic Khitans but patronized Sinitic culture

@yusufs1878 Жыл бұрын

You are an interesting figure I must say. Having encountered you on many different occasions in these comment sections, I felt compelled to write to you. I must say that I admire your passion and your hunger for knowledge.

@ghostd69 Жыл бұрын

@takiranayaki7870 Жыл бұрын

@@ghostd69 stop spamming, you shia freak 😅

@Frenchylikeshikes Жыл бұрын

Those videos are just incredible. So well narrated, and well illustrated. It is so helpful to see the maps of where everything took place, and the battle unfold in real time. Gives a much better understanding of everything.

@hoarder1919 Жыл бұрын

it's not well illustrated. The exact location of the battle isn't known so the map doesn't really tell or achieve anything other than to score some internet points.

@NeidlichesSchwert 8 ай бұрын

Not well narrated. Virtually every single Chinese word idiotically mispronounced.

@kyrgyzsanjar Жыл бұрын

I'm so grateful to you for covering this battle. Talas is located in modern day Kyrgyzstan, where I am from. We have so many folkloric and epic tales which include Talas one way or another.

@sultanmomenofzenata177 Жыл бұрын

what does the folkloric and epic say about the battle ?

@nexus7507 Жыл бұрын

Brother what is the epic tales from your side

@ghostd69 Жыл бұрын

@stever4128 Жыл бұрын

Very cool.

@abcd9283 Жыл бұрын

Please describe one folkloric tale.I am from Bangladesh.

@klaudioabazi4478 Жыл бұрын

Very few people know about this battle, but it changed the course of history.

@samsonsoturian6013 Жыл бұрын

All battles change the course of history.

@klaudioabazi4478 Жыл бұрын

@@samsonsoturian6013 Well not exactly all the battles, but specific battles. The ones which prove decisive in either winning a war or significantly causing political changes. This one The Battle of Talas was a decisive battle. The Tang Dynasty was at its peak, and almost immediately after the defeat had to deal with an internal rebellion, thus it was never able to expand westward as they had planned, leaving China in a position where it would become vulnerable to Mongol Invasion 200 years later, plus paper was introduced to the islamic civilization. So it really was a decisive battle.

@samsonsoturian6013 Жыл бұрын

@@klaudioabazi4478 Any murder forever changes the lineage of humanity. Different people making different choices. It doesn't matter which fool is in charge.

@Originalantithesis Жыл бұрын

@Samson Soturian you're being too pedantic

@klaudioabazi4478 Жыл бұрын

@@samsonsoturian6013 Well yes. I was just speaking about the nature of decisive battles, and the way in which they affect civilization.

@danielsantiagourtado3430 Жыл бұрын

Yes! Love your compilations! They are incredible!🎉🎉🎉

@ghostd69 Жыл бұрын

@Warmaker01 Жыл бұрын

As with any of the large empires of the ancient and medieval world, there comes a point where just can't push any further. The Romans dealt with that. The logistics, distances involved were too much an issue. There was also the question of stability. The Romans had their own revolts and civil wars. Not to mention threats from foreign attack. China in its long history has had many civil wars or prolonged periods where it wasn't under a single unified power. Tang Dynasty was one of China's great dynasties and even they had limits on how far they could reach. That they were able to send an army this far out into Central Asia is an accomplishment, but it's just too far to truly bring the weight of the empire to bear.

@kakerake6018 Жыл бұрын

i personally think they matter in which these empires projected power is what limited them they often went with large armies occupying larger swaths of land. requiring complex, resource intensive and long supply chains. which put everything between point a and b at risk for raid or revolt or simply being bogged down. i like small professional armies with massive navies. heavily fortify your core regions and only expand with your navy.

@frankxu4795 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. It takes months just to resupply the frontline and with the limitation of communication technology, the generals/governors of the expedition forces could easily become the de facto king of their legion and region. It is just unrealistic to maintain control over a distant land in ancient time and there is little real incentive other than personal ambition of the aristocracy.

@ZxZ239 Жыл бұрын

It was widely recored right after Talas Chinese influence in Central Asia didn't really diminishes, China truely lost Central Asia afterwards from the An Lushan Rebellion, after that they were too weak to do any power projection and the whole menality of China changed from that point.

@JonJamzy Жыл бұрын

“The whole mentality of China changed afterwards” the caliphate influence expanded in that region because of this war hence why Turkic tribes starting adopting Islam hence Y the caliphate started the golden age

@voidvector 7 ай бұрын

@@JonJamzy Tang power projection into Xinjiang and Central Asia was blocked by Tibetans. Most English sources miss the Tibetan aspect of this conflict between 3 powers (Arab, Tang, Tibetan). After Battle of Talas River and An Lusha Rebellion, the Tibetans managed to come out ahead taking over Xinjiang from Tang. Tang and Abbasid eventually allied to counter the Tibetans. The Abbasid actually fought Tibetans in Transoxiana. (Wikipedia: Qingshui Treaty) Also Talas only affected Western Turks in Central Asia. The Eastern Turks in Mongolia (Uyghur Khanate) had another 3-power conflict a century later with the Tang and Tibetans. (Wikipedia: Uyghur Khanate). This also blocked Tang power projection.

@KHK001 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for you hard work HM!

@matthewwang6394 Жыл бұрын

感谢视频作者了解一段精彩的历史

@LOL-zu1zr Жыл бұрын

You guys should definitely do the Mongol invasion of Jin and the Song. The Jin almost destroyed 50,000mongols in an encirclement but got double encircled. There song defence of diaoyu city was also textbook siege defense.

@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking Жыл бұрын

_Long live Song Dynasty!_

@ghostd69 Жыл бұрын

There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Ta'i who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu khoursani according to most sources agreed it according historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim

@anneramsey4655 Жыл бұрын

They also killed a Khan with early cannon

@long19990 Жыл бұрын

@@anneramsey4655 很大程度上毁灭了蒙古帝国。

@batujack2784 Жыл бұрын

@@anneramsey4655 That khan is Mongke Khan, who is the biggest contributor to the territory of the Mongol Empire. Many people are unaware of this.

@高爽-l8t Жыл бұрын

Four years after this battle, the seven-year Anshi Rebellion occurred in the territory of the Tang Empire, which caused devastating war damage and lost a large number of people.

@meg5042 Жыл бұрын

The real results of Talas battle was the gradual conversion of the Turks to Islam,whom took the torch and the banner from the Arabs in the leadership of the Islamic world, and did a HECK of a job. Establishing a magnificent Islamic empires throughout the world,starting with the Seljuk empire,followed by the Khawarizmi empire, ended with the magnificent Ottoman Empire

@tarihbuyut 6 ай бұрын

Some of us think also arabization started, assimilation of central asian culture into semitic culture, first semi nomadic horse archers became mercenaries used as pawn btw rome and jeruselam clashes. Then sacrifices were made for Istanbul, challenger for the CAPITAL of GOD among Rome, Acheen, Avignon.

@vengadesank6988 6 ай бұрын

Arabization is worst thing happen to an country. Now central asia is suffering from 7tu century culture

@lukejones7164 6 ай бұрын

@@vengadesank6988 There's no Arab culture in Central Asia. Islam =\= Arab.

@moddedbeast1772 6 ай бұрын

@@vengadesank6988 better than your lgbtq nonsense culture

@julia2k8 4 ай бұрын

@@vengadesank6988suoerpooper saar

@ahzamrasheed1208 Жыл бұрын

I loved how you coloured their region, matching the colour of their banner. They were Abbadassids!

@54032Zepol Жыл бұрын

Keep up the great work, i hope to see more videos about non western nations. 🎉😊

@Fallout3131 Жыл бұрын

🥴🥴🥴

@QuintusFabiusMaximusVerr-vf9sb Жыл бұрын

@@Fallout3131 cry

@Fallout3131 Жыл бұрын

@@QuintusFabiusMaximusVerr-vf9sb Nice one kiddo, ill get you a toy sword to go with your Roman cosplay nerd.

@QuintusFabiusMaximusVerr-vf9sb Жыл бұрын

@@Fallout3131 bro this kid really thinks everything revolves around the west, the rest of the world has history as well, im not saying the west has bad history, but y'all dont need pretend the rest of the world was stone age barbarians 2000 years ago, look at the islamic golden age and the ancient chinese and Indian civilisations, europe back then was a cold, poor and unjust place stuck in the stone age. Also at least im not called ryan you little white npc

@siratshi455 Жыл бұрын

I'm Kazakh, this battle is talked and tackled a lot in our history books because it is a cornerstone and a turning point in our history. The fate of whole region of Central Asia was defined by it and we eventually became Muslim and not Buddhist. Thanks God to that. We still have a city of Taraz near the river Talas and the word talas itself means "battle" or "fight", so for us Talas battle sounds a bit funny

@kevinrich5222 Жыл бұрын

If you became a Buddhist, you would also thank the Buddha. Of course, you may also be grateful that you are an atheist. This is what history does to humanity

@charles2521 Жыл бұрын

Abrahamic religions belong to the Mediterranean, and Buddhist philosophy and practices (meditation) were copied from Taoism/Chinese folk religions. Turks should honor their true ancestors and their shamanic roots (whether with tengrism or other free spirituality).

@zeynepakopyan8264 Жыл бұрын

Who cares if you are Kazakh? It happened in Kyrgyzstan

@alansamuel8076 Жыл бұрын

Welcome bro, and don't bother with the zionist/nazi comments above

@FOREVERLOST-k1 Жыл бұрын

@@charles2521 U are following🏳️‍🌈

@patrickmccarron2817 Жыл бұрын

Would love to see more content on China in the future! Maybe something from the Han dynasty or 3 kingdoms period?

@rdf4315 Жыл бұрын

This was a great video since I never heard anything about this battle, you should do a video on the Tibetan empire since I haven't seen too many KZbin channels cover them .

@InfoSide122 4 ай бұрын

The perfection and the skill of the narrator the quality of the videos everything is perfect I m just in love with your videos

@HistoryMarche 4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much 😀

@muhammadadeel8639 Жыл бұрын

This battle is important as it helped Muslims re-establish control in central asia leading to conversion to Islam of the Region and of Turkic tribes from the steppes that came into contact with the Islamic Central asia. Had Muslim lost this battle, Central Asia would be devoid of Muslim influence. Jeopardizing the conversion of the extremely Important Turkic tribes like Seljuk, Khawarzm, Oghuz Ottomans, Ghaznavids, Ghurids, Mamlukes and even Mongolian elite that accepted Islam after ruling the central asia. Timur, Mughals ......

@robertleon4323 Жыл бұрын

And since then that region is ruined

@muhammadadeel8639 Жыл бұрын

@@robertleon4323 The Region kept flourishing until Mongol invasion in 1221. Mongols committed a Genocide in central asia (25% population killed) and all major cities destroyed. Islam stayed but the region remained under Mongol successors till 1900 when Russia/Communism took over. Islam came to region in 700s and from 700 to 1200 was Golden age of Central asia. Though Mongols became Muslim but they remained war-like and not developed economy.

@waleed8530 Жыл бұрын

@@robertleon4323 Just like Andalusia, central Asia flourished and entered the golden age after the reach of the Islamic influence.

@batujack2784 Жыл бұрын

@@muhammadadeel8639 The spread of religion does not necessarily mean prosperity. Do you think the Crusades and modern European colonization brought prosperity to the Middle East? Because the Arab Empire not only spread Islam, but also brought advanced cultures from ancient Greece, Rome, Europe, Persia, and ancient India to Central Asia. This is fundamentally different from Western and European colonizers.

@batujack2784 Жыл бұрын

@@waleed8530 The spread of religion does not necessarily mean prosperity. Do you think the Crusades and modern European colonization brought prosperity to the Middle East? Because the Arab Empire not only spread Islam, but also brought advanced cultures from ancient Greece, Rome, Europe, Persia, and ancient India to Central Asia. This is fundamentally different from Western and European colonizers.

@John3.36 Жыл бұрын

Boys back then had all the T-shirts and gear saying, "You better thank the Caliphate, or you'd be speaking Chinese right now!" That was popular back in the 800s.

@xNac63 Жыл бұрын

love the content!

@dominiquecharriere1285 Жыл бұрын

I had no idea but read about it in Guerres & Histoire, probably the best History magazine in french language. Hail to Colonel Goya, the creator of the magazine and many very interesting books and articles.

@mohammedsaysrashid3587 Жыл бұрын

Informative and clearly explained historical coverage video that new political, military footage of ( umayadd & Abassed) in Central Asia which caused ejection of Chinese empire dominant & weaknesses on Central Asia...it was a decisive introduction for violent emigration of Turkish, Turkmen & Mongolian tribe's to MiddleEast and eastern Europe ...(History Marche) Channel always introduces an excellence historical episode's like this one 8:21

@SolidAvenger1290 Жыл бұрын

I am glad that HistoryMarche is briefly going back to Asian history/battles. Not many channels (excluding Baz Battles & hints of Ks&Gs) cover the Asian theatre beyond WW1/WW2. I know many viewers are demanding & pressuring HistoryMarche to do more Hannibal, but you got to understand that many channels need to branch out to increase traffic, relevance, and reputation. Be patient. They will work & release the next Hannibal video.

@Khookies-lp2lu Жыл бұрын

BazBattles is a god sent

@edwardkim8972 Жыл бұрын

Kings and Generals do Asia.

@SolidAvenger1290 Жыл бұрын

@@Khookies-lp2lu indeed it is.

@SolidAvenger1290 Жыл бұрын

@@edwardkim8972 Ks & Gs have their pros and cons regarding videos. Not to mention in the past, they have been called out by viewers regarding the sources/missed creditable pieces of events they used in their content. K&Gs is more in tune with covering the modern era of events versus the ancient past. I am more aligned with either Baz Battles, HistoryMarche, and other channels that get overshadowed by bigger channels like EPTV and Kings & Generals, which have millions of subscribers. They all are good in their own fields.

@edwardkim8972 Жыл бұрын

@SolidAvenger yeah, but at least they cover East Asia.

@michaelsinger4638 Жыл бұрын

Underrated battle. More people should know about it.

@ghostd69 Жыл бұрын

@HeyImLucious Жыл бұрын

You can say that about most battles

@weirdno.1uniqueno.173 Жыл бұрын

Nah, Battle of Talas was an overly exaggerated battle, more like a big random skirmish which change nothing at all.

@Alex-tx2em Жыл бұрын

@@weirdno.1uniqueno.173 Stop coping, you guys cry when we say the same about the Battles of Tours.

@weirdno.1uniqueno.173 Жыл бұрын

@@Alex-tx2em No, battle of Tours had nothing to do with Talas. The fact is that the so called islamic sources came 400+ years to 500+ years after the Battle of Talas happened, while the Chinese documents were filed by the Anxi region governor after the battle itself. The Anxi region government had all the data about the troops and everything, while the islamic history about the battle which were written roughly half a millennia later were based on various oral traditions and legends, hence the story telling like nature with religious propaganda. While the Chinese history about the Battle of Talas was compiled by from the documents produced by the government that worked in Anxi region, it was the first earliest primary sources about the battle itself. Even the famous al-tabari who was born roughly almost half a century after Battle of Talas didn't even mention a single thing about the battle, if it was so important, nothing will be left out. Just like Chinese historical sources that only gave a single sentence about the battle which show how unimportant it was. And in fact, the "Middle Tang" power only grew in western Central Asia after the Battle of Talas and reached its peak in early 755. I'm not even mentioning the inaccuracies of the islamic history about the Battle of Talas that can be debunked away. The Battle of Talas river changed nothing, at most it gave the transfer of paper to the west, but even this is debatable. The area around the Talas river was still in Chinese hand after the battle itself, not in abbasid possession, the Chinese withdrew only when a civil war broke out in year 755. And the caliphate didn't even have real power around there, it was later taken by Tibetans and after that by the Turks. If there was only significant thing about the Battle of Talas was that the battle managed to get the caliphate out of precarious situation before the battle as those kingdoms in western Central Asia were always rebellious from the beginning of the caliphate control.

@keithstevens5614 Жыл бұрын

Spears were like Tomahawk missiles back then. They rained unexpectedly and with GPS precision - down to few meters. They were made of composite materials - wood, rope, flint, iron. Technologically a thousand years ahead of time. Spearmen could jump 50 feet in the air propelling through the medium by doing bicycle movements with knees and feet and throw spears from above as well as below. This was unmatched for a thousand years.

@673-t3 Жыл бұрын

Qutayba ibn Muslim 2nd greatest muslim general who won more than 200 major battles

@Jonijonh Жыл бұрын

This geographic area is so often overlooked in western history, it's to refreshing to watch a video on it. Really good stuff!

@ricardocanizales2200 Жыл бұрын

Wtf I never knew China and a caliphate had a war. This notified me on my phone at work and I've been giddy to watch it all day and I must say Soo worth it. Great video

@samirdizco2759 Жыл бұрын

The strong historical relations between China Arabs and Muslims overcame this clash and made the Abbasids diminish this victory. In the end, the Turks are the beneficiaries of this battle, not the victorious party (the Abbasids).

@Taromango-x9f 9 ай бұрын

The Chinese general Gao xian zhi was ethnically korean. korean name is Go Sun-ji. decendent of Goguryeo dynasty. and family name 'Go' was Goguryeo king's family name.

@emresdance Жыл бұрын

I remember us covering this at my highschool history class in Turkey verbally. Having this visualised in such a way pictures the occasion in a clearer way which I appreciate @HistoryMarche

@darfri Жыл бұрын

The reason why China pays attention to this area is that Turks may unite with Tubo to attack China. When the Turks had no influence, the Chinese emperor sent troops to occupy half of the territory of Korea. The Eastern War ended, and the Tibetan Kingdom sent troops to occupy China's affiliated states. The Chinese people failed in the war against Tibet, which led to the rebellion of the Turks and the establishment of the country. When China defeated the Turks again, the Tibetan army was also suppressed by China. But Tubo is still very powerful. During the war, China had 10 powerful legions. There is only one legion in Central Asia. The other four were used to suppress Tibet and its affiliated states in Yunnan. Two of them were used to monitor the Uighurs and other Turks who surrendered to China, and two were used to monitor the subordinate Khitans. A legion used to prevent the Chinese people from rebelling against themselves

@alvirarahman2690 Жыл бұрын

I am grateful for the victory in the Battle of Talas. This victory gave us Central Asia, some much needed strong Turkic soldiers, and PAPER TECH. This was when Muslims could finally spearhead the academic revolution in our Caliphate.

@KaiHung-wv3ul Жыл бұрын

In the Chinese speaking world this Battle is usually barely a footnote if that(Aksu even more so), with the main point being the introduction of paper into the west and th Islamic world. I guess it was vastly overshadowed by the following An Lushan rebellion, and the slow painful death of the Tang that followed. Interesting how different civilizations look at a same event through different perspectives.

@muhammadadeel8639 Жыл бұрын

@@KaiHung-wv3ul This battle is important as it helped Muslims reestablish control in central asia leading to conversion to Islam of the Region and of Turkic tribes from the steppes that came into contact with the Islamic Central asia. Had Muslim lost this battle, central asia would be devoid of Muslim influence. Jeopardizing the conversion of the Important Turkic tribes like Seljuk, Khawarzm, Oghuz Ottomans, Ghaznavids and even Mongolian elite that accepted Islam after ruling the central asia. Timur, Mughals ......

@robertleon4323 Жыл бұрын

@@muhammadadeel8639 A nice dream. Unfortunately Islam reached the region

@hagalhagal9989 Жыл бұрын

@@muhammadadeel8639 something is fishy though. Why did most hadith collectors come from this region and not from Saudia Arabia? Eg the oldest hadith collector, Bukhari, was from Bukhara. How come?

@muhammadadeel8639 Жыл бұрын

@@hagalhagal9989 Not True! The 4 Imams of Jurisprudence all came from Arabian Peninsula and were Arabs. They were the first Hadith Collectors Too! All born in late Umayyad and early Abbasid period (8th century) Malik - In Medina Shafi - In Gaza Hanifa - In Iraq Hanbal - In Iraq Later in early 9th century came the six Hadith collectors (Sihah-Sitta). All were of Persian Muslim origin. Bukhari - Bukhara, Uzbekistan Muslim - Neshapur, Iran Ibn Majah - Qazvin, Iran Abu dawud - Sistan, Iran Al-Nasai - Nisa, Turkemenistan Al-Tirmidhi - Termez, Uzbekistan So 3 came from Iran and 3 from Central Asia. This is becasue Abbasid revolution came from Eastern Iran and Khorasan. Leading to more Economic and Scholarly development in those cities.

@calvanoni5443 Жыл бұрын

Great vid on a very important War, & the effects!

@MetalMagma2027 Жыл бұрын

thank you for uploading, this looks amazing!

@alhasan055 Жыл бұрын

Thanks guys! That's a great video!! I think it would be more informative if it was mentioned that: - Umayyad fled to the west of the caliphate and start their rule in Al-Andalus (modern-day Spain and Portugal) which is why the Abbasid focused their effort on the east. - The meeting between the Umayyad general Qutaibah and the emperor of China. - How this small battle affects us more than we would think. For example, People in the Middle East and Europe used to write on papyrus, but history books remember that in this battle the Abbasids captured some Chinese soldiers. These soldiers leaked the secrets of making paper, which paved the way for what is later known as the golden age of Islam and the European Renaissance. (It's already there, my bad!) - How the Chinese Muslims, known as Hui people formed with marriage between Arabs, Persians, and Chinese. - The story of the first mosque built in China Huaisheng Mosque just before this battle. - Name of several books written by both ethnicities about each other. There is one about a Chinese man who lived in Kufa for 20 years!

@eodyn7 Жыл бұрын

It's sad what the CCP is doing to Muslims and Christians in China.

@VicmundLim Жыл бұрын

Umayyad general never met the emperor of china. Hui community of china was largely due to Arab and Iranian male and female marrying into Chinese populace. So the hui are a product of marriage rather than conversion

@beb6c2a Жыл бұрын

mashallah! that is so cool!

@reteguy7338 Жыл бұрын

@@VicmundLim male and FEMALE? I highly doubt it. I mean as far as i know back then the only type of groups who brave enough to ventured far beyond their geographical sphere of influences were non other than the reckless Merchants. And most, if not all of the merchants back in the day were all Dudes. So the most likely real scenario were like this = The brave and adventurous (and probably also h**ny) male MidEastern merchants of various religions (yes, there were Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians as well in whoms also into trading in China), got permission to marry the local ladies.

@VicmundLim Жыл бұрын

@@reteguy7338 yes there are records of foreign female merchants in china. You don't know need permission to marry someone. You just court or woo them

@KaiHung-wv3ul Жыл бұрын

Can you do a series on the An Lushan rebellion, which happened just a few years after Talas, and killed a larg portion of the world population, almost as much people as WW1 by some estimates, and led to the decline of the Tang Empire.

@artemo.shapovaloff5577 Жыл бұрын

++, the video I would like too)

@anneramsey4655 Жыл бұрын

And in the rebellion, the most decisive battle of Jixiangsi

@VFella Жыл бұрын

Sure!!! Yeah, I have no idea about that. You definitely piked my curiosity.

@long19990 Жыл бұрын

非我族类其心比异😢，1000多年前han chinese就证明了这一点。

@long19990 Жыл бұрын

@@alexanderchenf1 你不是智人，你是尼安德特人。😂

@unifieddynasty Жыл бұрын

It's great that you detail the different accounts. A very responsible approach to history.

@dorjeepalden86 Жыл бұрын

Video ends in Tibetan empire push into tang territory leading to capture of tang capital xian by Tibetan empire 763. Also sending 2 princess to Tibet and signing peace treaty with Tibet. Has Pilars in both capital stating “Tibetans r happy in Tibet and Chinese r happy in China”

@CoolAdam247 Жыл бұрын

Amazing content as usual Historymarche ! 😎👍⚔ The Battle of Talas was truly a clash of civilisations which changed the course of history and is the reason why the majority of Central Asia is muslim today.

@weirdno.1uniqueno.173 Жыл бұрын

The Battle of Talas changed nothing, the mid Tang power actually strengthen during this and reach its peak in early 755, four years after the battle took place. It was more of like a quite big random skirmish without any consequences, the battle was started and just an extension of the quarrel between Tashkent and Ferghana. Western Central Asia didn't become muslim dominated area after this, islam manage to spread slowly but quite steady in those place was when Karluk Turks began to convert to islam as their religion between 900 c.e. to 1000 c.e., while most of Eastern Central Asia still remain mostly out of islamic reach. And Eastern Central Asia only became majority muslims during 15th to 16th century, and islam is wearing off now in Eastern Central Asia, as people become far more educated and becoming secular, also a portion of those returning to their native religion of Tengrism, Shamanism and even Buddhism which is actually a sign of very good thing. And if you're talking about the clash of civilizations which didn't actually happened, then you may add that the earlier ummayad caliphate was beaten by the Tang and by Tang vassal, the Turgish, and the abbasid was also beaten numerous time by Tang allies and vassals and by Tibetan Empire as well.

@pugilist102 Жыл бұрын

It also changed the history of the Middle East. Centuries later, Islamicized Turks will come to rule the Middle East until the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

@Ghazi682 Жыл бұрын

@@weirdno.1uniqueno.173 no one asked for your analysis American boy, your country didn’t exist during all of this, your country doesn’t have a history

@areebachewa8318 Жыл бұрын

@@weirdno.1uniqueno.173 Really hope to see Central Asia will start embracing their ancestors belief from Buddhism, Tengrism, Shamanism where they should be proud of their belief not the Arabic belief who have invaded them ....

@weirdno.1uniqueno.173 Жыл бұрын

@@areebachewa8318 They will need a lot of neutral educations on the matters and an introductions to their lost roots, because as i'd seen now in virtually every islamic dominated countries whether the respective countries practiced the sharia law or not, especially when the government support or at least too tolerate islam to some ridiculous extent, it is always hard for the people who practiced their native believes and cultures to express themselves freely, so for people who had become muslims and lived in majority muslims countries, the chance is very low for them to turn back to their roots, due to government or islamic organizations interferences. But for people who migrated to non muslim dominated countries, it will be much easier, with a good educations and logical thinking, i'd seen lots of former muslims or christians who abandoned their faiths when they were exposed to their illogical religious texts. As time passes, i believe when people are getting more educated and becoming smarter, their chance for leaving abrahamic faiths will be much higher.

@lotrlmao1648 Жыл бұрын

Can you do research on the last fortress of Song dynasty against the mongol invasion? It is written in such epic way that it withstand mongol invasion for several decades and even cost a death of Great Khan. Later on when the fortress finally fell, the last government member of Song dynasty escape to the boat but got boarded by Mongol. So a government member decide to throw the emperor of Song dynasty (a young boy) into the river just so mongol cannot capture him.

@zhengyunli800 Жыл бұрын

The Song prime minister tied the young emperor to himself and jumped into water to suicide.

@heartzm4478 Жыл бұрын

AS ALWAYS WHAT A GREAT CONTENT THANK YOU!

@gandaberunda6267 Жыл бұрын

Kashmir, Khotan, Turk Shahi kingdoms played a massive role fighting Arabs and Tibetans by allying with Tang Dynasty. Lalitaditya Muktapida of Kashmir and Phromo Kaesaro of Turk Shahis were Heroes in these wars.

@halmuradturghun1048 Жыл бұрын

I freaking love you videos. Especially your maps. Battle maps.

@AgusNizami Жыл бұрын

It means the Islamic empire defeat the Roman, Persian, China, India, and also the Western Europe, Spain and Portiuguese

@pigman6420 9 ай бұрын

Yeah its very cool of their reach however i argue that with the romans, persians and iberians that they where already weakend from war so the arab attacks where the final nail i think if the sassanids or romans where at full strength we would not know of these events as they would have been kurb stomped

@kayvan671 8 ай бұрын

Not really

@ChillScare_Chronicles 7 ай бұрын

@@pigman6420 The first caliphate fought with persian romans nubian and ethopians. All of them had strong armies. Especially persians and romans. Thier general had war experience better equiped soldiers with armours and the rashidun caliphate did not have any properly organized army and the generals did not have experience of leading much larger armies but thier faith was too strong and thier intelligence have given brilliant generals in the history of world Kahlid ibn Walid Saad ibn abi waqas Abu Ubaida These three are my favrouite generals from rashidun caliphate

@franciscokaikylimamenezesk9262 5 ай бұрын

Carlos martel:😂😂

@skooskipotato3750 4 ай бұрын

@@ChillScare_Chroniclesit’s not really the intelligence of the Muslims that made them fanatical zealots who fought with a zeal that was not found in normal armies. Like how ISIS was such a menace even though the world superpowers were fighting it.

@misterinternational1739 Жыл бұрын

Great info and story telling, thank you

@seb2750 Жыл бұрын

Wish I could play a Total War campaign for this, this is quite exciting. Imagine playing the Muslim Civil War on the side of Abbasids and another campaign as the Chinese to subjugate as many territories as possible in the 3 year span before the Abassids muster a counter attack after they won the Civil War.

@Mysteriousman355 21 күн бұрын

😂😂😂 wtf bro Abbasid win so

@Mur76ad70 Жыл бұрын

Freedom for Palestine and Gaza and Kashmir und Turkestan and Africa not just Ukraine

@ALLAHwithdaughterALLAT Жыл бұрын

kaboom snackbar police be upon him

@LOL-zu1zr Жыл бұрын

Allah be with you

@Ghazi682 Жыл бұрын

@@user-mv6yv9ec1b but not for long

@the180degreerule3 Жыл бұрын

@@user-mv6yv9ec1b in their zionist dreams maybe but in reality even crows know you're invaders who are killing and extorting the majority of isralites who were never chased away by the romans and remained there and some of them converted to christianity, islam, and adopted arabic. while the few isralites who were chased away were mostly living within the roman empire and moved to muslim ruled territories to avoid christians bad treatment towards the jews and those people are the arab jews because they too adopted arabic and majority of them adopted Islam. but somehow white europeans and americans and a few black african jews claim that land as theirs just because they're jews when the real isralites are either the ones who were living in the islamic world or the ones who remained in jerusalem and converted to christianity or reverted to Islam and somehow they're accused of not being from those lands because they adopted arabic while white people from europe and america and black people from africa claim they are the right owners of those lands which is ridiculous to say the least. y'all killed and extorted your own brothers simply because they adapted to the changes of history while most of you are fake jews to say the least.

@rikezambacher301 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video !! Well done once again

@Khaled-uh4zm Жыл бұрын

Excellent work. greeting from Saudi Arabia.

@zakariazikos26 9 ай бұрын

ما أروع الاسلام بها علت قيمة العرب و كانوا قوة عظمى به وبدونه عادو للجاهلية و الذل

@xirvt 8 ай бұрын

العرب قبل الاسلام كانوا اكرم القوم وكانت هناك ممالك عظيمة بالجزيرة العربية لمن متاكد انك مستعرب فاشل ولاجئ

@karimmodewna2457 5 ай бұрын

@@xirvtالعرب كانوا اكرم القوم لكن كرم خلقهم لم يبني لهم امبراطوريات كالفرس والروم ومامالكهم القديمة لم تتجاوز الجزيرة العربية إذا جحدت دور الإسلام في صنع مجد العرب الذي اعترف به الصحابة الكرام بل وكبار كفار قريش قبل أن يضهر عليهم فلن تكون كافرا فحسب بل واحمق كذلك فالإسلام هو الذي جعل العرب يحكمون من الصين شرقا إلى فرنسا غربا ولما ترك العرب الإسلام والتصقوا بالقومية التي اخترعها النصارى صارت كل امم الأرض تحتلنا الاوروبيين والروس و الأمريكان والفرس والأتراك زد عليها الأقليات من روافض وعلوية ولأكراد والبربر والأقباط من يكرم الله فلا مذل له ومن يذل فلا معز له عزك من الله لا من نفسك ولا من الدم الذي يجري في عروقك فرحم الله من عرف قدر نفسه

@xirvt 5 ай бұрын

@@karimmodewna2457 العرب هم من صنعوا الاسلام وجعلوا له مكانه والاسلام هو من اعطى العرب هدف للتوسع والانتشار ولو كان للعرب رغبه بالتوسع قبل الاسلام لنجحوا ويكفي انهم قضوا على جنرال من جنرالات اسكندر العظيم

@xirvt 5 ай бұрын

@@karimmodewna2457 ويخصوص الاحتلال انت تقصد المستعربين وليس اهل الجزيرة العربية

@karimmodewna2457 5 ай бұрын

@@xirvt الجزيرة العربية تحت الإحتلال الأمريكي اليوم وقواعدهم العسكرية منتشرة في كل اراضيها دخلها آل سعود بفتوة الإستعانة بالكفار على المسلمين وابو ايفانكا يدفعك الجزية وأنت صاغر عشان يحمي مؤخرتك من إيران واذنابها حتى حدود دويلتك اليوم ليس لها أي عمق تاريخي رسمها لك الإنجليز فهمت أنه من اذل الله فلن تجد له من معز؟؟

@Hillbilly001 Жыл бұрын

Well done! All hail the Algorithm! Cheers from Tennessee

@streetscholar3539 Жыл бұрын

I've seen another video like this from K&G who also have great content but as always HM just do it better, the narration and background music just sets them apart, as well as the greater depth of historical detail, 1st class work guys 👌

@huiyu6739 Жыл бұрын

China's own records say 10,000 Tang heavy infantry and 20,000 nomadic power cavalry. One of the nomadic tribes in Tang's sphere of influence defected and attacked the rear of the army.

@太守苏定交趾 Жыл бұрын

Karluks 葛逻禄 which is the uyghurs today

@SalmanAli-c5b5e Жыл бұрын

@@太守苏定交趾 no they were the Turks who later accepted Islam

@ffhhv-f2w Жыл бұрын

那不是游牧骑兵，那是仆从军他们叛变了

@windchange8680 Жыл бұрын

Wow, you guys outdid ourselves yet again. Amazing video.

@hoshmandrashid6090 Жыл бұрын

Well done

@plussum3255 Жыл бұрын

Just finished watching the vid in its entirety. What an epic video with its implications of such thundering knock on effects from a seemingly small irrelevant battle.

@projectforce3727 Жыл бұрын

Its so weird learning that the Abbasid caliphate and tang dynasty fought against each other.

@ThatsCrazyBrooooooooo 9 ай бұрын

It's so random it's like hearing "Sweden went to war with Jamaica!"

@oguznur32 Жыл бұрын

thank you guys

@mostabdrabou 10 ай бұрын

The key to understand the astonishing Arab conquest is by understanding Islam and its impact on them as a nation , the progressive conquest was sustained by locals converting into Islam.

@Xql6 Ай бұрын

why is it amazing?

@plussum3255 Жыл бұрын

Super interesting, thanks for this video!!!

@martinboskovic1009 Жыл бұрын

Important to know how deep are roots of today's geopolitical situation in Central Asia.

@ShakilahmedAwan-f8i 7 күн бұрын

Good work. Thanks

@rivermanchenchen8219 Жыл бұрын

What's more interesting is that after the outbreak of the An-shi Rebellion, Abbasid Arabia sent troops to aid Tang China.

@carlosariel1909 Жыл бұрын

Great video as always. The sferic map was a nice touch.

@плачущийчел Жыл бұрын

Greetings from Kyrgyzstan🇰🇬 . Thank you for enlightening

@BattleMarche Жыл бұрын

Bro these videos are becoming cooler and better I seriously learn a lot from it I love it so much I wish you the best of luck making this!!!😊😊❤❤🎉🎉

@lionelhutz5137 Жыл бұрын

Tang Army: "All your base are belong to us!" Ziyad army: "Not quite"

@PDTeter Жыл бұрын

The Wilhelm screams are such a nice touch😅

@BrbZrk_G Жыл бұрын

So Turks determined the outcome and then became muslim and later they wanted to spread Islam themselves...like "give me that banner!"

@FOREVERLOST-k1 Жыл бұрын

@pmssssss Good explanation👍👍

@viliusaleskevicius1346 Жыл бұрын

finali new video. thanks !!!

@bartomiejzakrzewski7220 Жыл бұрын

Great part of human history. This battle bring paper to Europe

@dawidwojacki5049 Жыл бұрын

Largest European Medieval Battle: estimated 40-70 thousand men in the field Regular Chinese army 700 years earlier: half a milion. Bruh

@gbnexofa5483 Жыл бұрын

Sui dynasty before Tang there reinforces conscripts to invade Korea you know that about 2M people omggg

@yohopirate Жыл бұрын

that's the entire military though. Still pretty good

@Tonyx.yt. 2 ай бұрын

looks almost like tang empire had 50 times the population of an average sized kingdom of europe...😂

@Jesse_Dawg Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video. Please more

@sherlock1124 Жыл бұрын

i dont understand how you make these amazing maps, like they're so good!

@ChristianAuditore14 Жыл бұрын

From my understanding theses channels buy the maps, the text and the voice over lol

@saidiy9 Жыл бұрын

Transoxiana is called "Mavoraunnahr" in Arabic language

@arturoliveira748 Жыл бұрын

Excelente documentário como sempre.

@pkparck Жыл бұрын

Amazing video!🎉

@darkprofile Жыл бұрын

Karluks were Turkic tribe. Actually it seems like China made war against arabs. But in both armies most of the soldiers were Turkic origined. Turks were nomadic step hunters which made them most effective soldiers of medieval times.

@yashashgc3488 8 ай бұрын

Great work. Central Asia played a very pivotal role in medieval times. Glad you are covering it.

@samirhachad643 Жыл бұрын

I think that you disregarded the Tang campaigns against the western turkish kaghanate 640-648, these campaigns play major role in muslim conquests of the region, and the migration of multiple turkish tribe west and south

@Thyranel Жыл бұрын

Great video!!!!

@IronWarrior86 Жыл бұрын

First battle between the two empires was Aksu 717, unfortunately much lesser known though of much larger dimension than the one at Talas as it involved a lot more Arab troops who were defeated by a much smaller Chinese force.

@ghostd69 Жыл бұрын

Battle of asku was just raid not pitch battle lead by umayyad garssion who bordered to china and 200k is fake numbers edited by nationlistic chinese account in wikipidia

@doritofeesh Жыл бұрын

The numbers given for the allied forces opposing the Tang at Aksu is likely as exaggerated as the numbers both sides gave for each other at Talas. Personally, I would divide that figure by 10x and assume that the allies actually fielded only 20,000 or so men; quite possibly similar in size to the Tang forces. If the mighty Tang would find the logistical issue of fielding more than 25,000 or so men in that region difficult, what makes you think the opposition would be able to raise a force many times greater? By the way, the reference given on the wikipedia page for Aksu claiming "200,000" doesn't even mention a number. The source it leads to just speaks in passing of the Battle of Aksu, but gives no figures for either side and glosses over the engagement completely. So, whoever put it on the wiki is either biased or just making up numbers without any credible source.

@ghostd69 Жыл бұрын

@@doritofeesh Who making 200k was edited by random account wikipidia named Aksai chin i looked most sources about battle of aksu numbers are unknown for both side

@Vincenture Жыл бұрын

@@ghostd69 why would someone do that I wonder why

@ghostd69 Жыл бұрын

@@Vincenture It was chinese guy who is mad because they lost battle of talas so want raise up numbers of army in asku by giving them randomly 200k

@thalleseduardo8041 Жыл бұрын

Amazing, love your contents

@beachboy0505 Жыл бұрын

Wow, what an amazing film Hollywood can make. Two technological different fighting cultures fighting. I have seen 'the great Wall of China ' but this would be amazing

@JohnDoe-gw7pu Жыл бұрын

Er that movie was real shit. I'm surprised anyone liked it

@anthonyklanke1397 Жыл бұрын

So awesome to see this area of history covered! I admit i know very little about it ❤

@1998topornik Жыл бұрын

The clash of two early medieval superpowers which changed forever Central Asia.

@josephphoenix1376 Жыл бұрын

Excellent Episode 👍

@papazataklaattiranimam Жыл бұрын

From the beginning the Turks were noted for their superior military qualities, which seem to have lain mainly in their use of mounted bowmen and the nomadic speed of their cavalry. From this time on the Caliphs relied to an increasing extent on Turkish troops and commanders, to the detriment of the older cultured peoples in Islam, the Arabs and the Persians. The progressive militarization of the regime increased their strength. By the eleventh century the Turks were entering the world of Islam, not only as individuals recruited by capture or purchase, but by the migration of whole tribes of free nomadic Turks still organized in their own traditional way. Lewis, B. (2002) Arabs in history. Oxford: Oxford University Press, p.160

@Abu_Nasser_Al-Ghamdi Жыл бұрын

The dependence of the Abbasid caliphs on Turkish soldiers is not only because of their strength, as such strength exists among the Arabs as well, but the reason is because the Abbasids do not trust the Arabs, because the Arab’s loyalty is to his tribe and not to the state, and the Abbasids witnessed with their own eyes how the Umayyads fell because of the Arab tribes’ refusal to obey the Umayyad Caliph, so The Abbasids preferred to buy Turkish slaves and recruit them, because the slave was loyal only to his master and did not know anyone other than his master.

@Fahad-be6nx Жыл бұрын

@@Abu_Nasser_Al-Ghamdiتعجبني يبو غمده