Why Do Newcastle United and Sunderland FC Hate Each Other? | History of the Tyne & Wear Derby

Some of the most electric games in football are those played between teams from the same city, some of these rivalries going back centuries, even before the two sides started playing football. One of the most hotly-contested in England's Premier League, is the Tyne and Wear Derby, pitting Newcastle United from Newcastle-Upon-Tyne against Sunderland AFC, from Sunderland, just 12 miles away but its own city. In this video I'll look at the origins off this rivalry between the Geordies and the Mackems both on and off the pitch.
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[@MaestroBlur]

Calling the English Civil War the first Tyne-Wear Derby is hysterical, I love it Hilbert

[@Jobe-13]

I can’t believe the level of lore that exists behind sports teams’ rivalries.

[@3113mac]

Still got nothing on the Celtic/Rangers rivalry

[@JohnKobaRuddy]

​@@3113mac 100%. And I support toon and Celtic and know all about both.

[@reintaler6355]

@@3113mac or Boca / River

[@tylerbeaumont]

Just wait until you hear about the Sheffield/Liverpool rivalry (people literally died and now The Sun newspaper is de facto banned in Liverpool all because the two teams were both popular and had a small rivalry going)

[@coniston3106]

well big man, cos we dont see sports like in the states, it's our life

[@silgen]

I'm a Geordie and Toon Supporter, and our derby is solely with Sunderland, not Middlesbrough. The reason being I don't know any Middlesbrough supporters and if we win or lose a match it's just another result. However, I know lots of Mackems and if we lose a Tyne-Wear derby my life is a living hell for at least six months as they NEVER let me forget it. That's what makes a derby special, the fact that fans of both teams live and work in close proximity.

[@aachufusihoops]

Horse punchers

[@silgen]

@@aachufusihoops Mackem kiddy fiddlers. Still got your poster of Adam Johnson on your wall?

[@aachufusihoops]

@@silgen maybe as the oil barons who own your team as they continue committing war crimes

[@silgen]

@@aachufusihoops These "oil barons" thank you for your support every time you fill up your tank, and NUFC thank you for your contribution as well.

[@aachufusihoops]

@@silgen don’t own a car mate cause I’m not a lazy bastard

[@tomharding4912]

Never did I expect to hear Uncle Buzzcocks in a history video. Fair play Hilbert lad

[@lydis284]

Fookin smash ya pasty

[@JohnKobaRuddy]

"a didn't use a bucket, didn't use a pipe, smoke the fuckin lot through me BMX bike"

[@sanderson9338]

​@@JohnKobaRuddy fkn byker grove lol just wannabe Jocks

[@thepluckybrit413]

Me first ounce of tack made is spark oot me da

[@bigbrexitdad879]

Fancy seeing you here harhar

[@iRedTomato]

The largest string of back-to-back victories is actually 6 by Sunderland between 2013 and 2015.

[@tastytucker981]

@@iRosss. yeah he deffo seems bias like lol. he also says we haven't played each other since we went down in 16/17 when we actually haven't played since 15/16 because Newcastle were relegated first. Yous replaced us the season after by winning the champ tho so not having a dig just a bit weird he didn't mention it. Also we have the record attendance in a derby with 68,000 so I'm not sure where he got 120k at st james from lol

[@Glagga-sm7zj]

@@tastytucker981 I think the 120,000 was a game that was abandoned when the crowd decided to riot.

[@tastytucker981]

@@Glagga-sm7zj ah ok never knew about that but that still is not an official attendance if a bunch of people just decided to storm in the stadium. If that's the case he should have mentioned that. Biggest derby attendance at st james was 56,000 and 68,000 at roker park

[@neilpike4358]

Selective memory!😂

[@JohnHunter-wt6nf]

@@Glagga-sm7zj Thought that was 1911?

[@Mikemackem]

You forgot to mention SAFC winning the last 6 matches. I smell gravy.

[@kipp1231]

Can we also mention the fact that Sunderland didn't beat the toon at Old Joker Park for 26 years?

[@gmantoon]

Have you ever seen a Mackem in Milan champions league for the Toon! Next season where are Sunderland.??

[@siobhanheale91]

And can we mention that Sunderland have been out of the Premier league 6 season in a row 😂

[@leearmstrong9763]

​@@siobhanheale91 you just did

[@stevenmonaghan1301]

SMB

[@simonmaltby2490]

I'm from Nottinghamshire and went to School with kids who were transplants from the NE ,Their parents came down South to work the Coal mines .I had one best mate with ties to Newcastle and one with Sunderland and was lucky enough to go to several of both teams away games down in the midlands and stand with there fans in the away section, Villa Park, the City Ground, Meadow lane and the baseball ground. And there's nothing like it in football,both sets of fans incredible you will never get a better support anywhere in football, god bless them both

[@SteveFizz.40s]

Toot Hill?

[@simonmaltby2490]

Arnold Hill

[@northernsouldj7591]

There used to be loads of Sunderland supporters in Ollerton and Edwinstowe and the surrounding areas. Same in NW Leicestershire, around the Thringstone and Coalville area.

[@blackwhitearmy8525]

Great video mate, most people look at Newcastle Sunderland as another local derby but it goes way beyond football it’s all our history behind it

[@DarkLordDiablos]

The history is often lost on most people due to the rivalry being centred on Football so I'm glad this video did a deep dive into what makes up the rivalry outside the Football aspect.

[@skillen19]

Probably the biggest rivalry in English football really if you ignore all the noise from the big 6 media circus.

[@GeordieMike90]

I am a Newcastle United fan from Kansas City, MO USA. Been supporting the toon since 2002!

[@firestarter1888]

Will buy you a pint if you ever visit the toon

[@GeordieMike90]

@@firestarter1888 thank you!

[@shanelee4764]

Sportswashed

[@DavyRo]

Unlucky

[@SpicyProductions.]

should support sunderland

[@macalad8486]

Sunderland have the record for most consecutive wins, 6 in a row and haven't been beaten in the last 9

[@simonkennedy4230]

Yeah and that's really worked out well for you sitting in the Chumpionship🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@macalad8486]

@@simonkennedy4230 wasn't too long ago you lot were in the league, short memories ey

[@simonkennedy4230]

@maca lad 84 yeah we came back the following season your lot sunk to league 1 forever in our shadow 🤣🤣🤣

[@macalad8486]

Never been in your shadow lad, see yous soon 😘

[@simonkennedy4230]

@@macalad8486 you have and always will be 🤣

[@hernandotorres1234]

Great stuff, my family moved to just outside Hexham when I was a child, the football fanaticism there was incredible, all the lads were Newcastle fans except for one, he was the only Sunderland fan in the area.

[@DarkLordDiablos]

I don't suppose that lad is called Mackie by any chance? 🤣

[@petelaycock2842]

Unfortunately, for us Sunderland fans, we do have to accept that Newcastle have had an incredible season. Sunderland will return to the PL - ha'way the lads!

[@cait812]

As a Geordie I'm rooting for you guys to get back up. Having two NE teams in the Prem can only be good for all of us and a Derby is always a good motivator for both sides.

[@DarkLordDiablos]

I hope Sunderland do make it back to the PL as it would be great since I remember when Newcastle, Sunderland and Middlesbrough were all in the Premiership which was a wonderful time to be a Fan especially to imagine all three teams at the top of the table with ManU, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea at the other end.

[@stevenmonaghan1301]

I hope you go out of existence you SMB

[@mebarkiimad8999]

I was rooting for you in the playoffs.

[@justarandomnobody7451]

Only lived in Newcastle for a year, but the geordies will always have a special place in my heart. Great bunch of ppl and i hope the club will finally start winning a few trophies for all the good ppl there.

[@jpswaddle7899]

You're a Geordie now lad.

[@ChrisInToon]

You are Welcome!

[@peternufc1981]

Not a city like it we are the Geordies 💪

[@exentr]

I am truly happy for the georgies. I just don't like oil money cheat code. I am Norwegian. We got Bodø/Glimt a small elevator club from above the arctic circle who were 'bankrupcy' in 2012. They managed to turn the table and run the club smart and properly. In 2019 they finished 2nd in the league. In 2020 they won their first league title ever which extends over sixty years because they were excluded from the top national leage due their location in the arctic circle. Now the club is the richest and the top dog in Norwegian league. It is a fairytale.

[@gazw1874]

​@@exentr There's teams below NUFC that have spent far more this season.

[@TheAlphaDingo]

Great video and history lesson. Really shows how deep this regional rivalry goes!

[@tas9551]

Geordie, born in Wallsend but lived most of my life in Valencia, Spain . Here the main rivalry is between Valencia and Barcelona, like the British and the Americans, they are divided by common language. the rivalry between these two great Northern cities certainly goes beyond football! Thanks for your channel and making the North proud with your insights and knowledge.

[@eddiearthur4654]

I grew up in Sunderland in the 60s, at that point we all called ourselves Geordies. The only time I heard the term Mackem was when my family in Co Durham called me that to insult me. Personally, I’m an NE patriot, yes I prefer Sunderland but I want Newcastle to do well. The “enemy” are south of the Tees. 😅

[@frankdux5693]

I first heard the term mackem in late 80s early 90s sort of time. We used to use it as an insult and the mackems didn't like being called it. Over the years they've kind of adopted the term and call themselves mackems now.

[@winnywin]

My dad b. 1930 Newcastle. My mam b. 1933 Sunderland. Me b. 1968 Hartlepool. I was brought up to support all N.E. teams. Newcastle, Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Hartlepool and Darlington.

[@RobJaskula]

​@@winnywinup the Pools

[@millie2687]

Well you’re not Geordies..if it wasn’t for the bridges …you wouldn’t even get across to Newcastle….

[@PaulM_aka_4c21]

100% agree, from a geordie sunderland supporter !! Mags and Black Cats are the proper terms.

[@subclasshero6391]

Never expected to not only see this, but also to get bonus Jacob Murphy and Uncle Buzzcocks spitting facts from horseback. Love it.

[@MISHBASH]

Where was Jacob Murphy mentioned in this video?

[@annettephilip5756]

My Dad is 87 born in Newcastle and went to his 1st Toon match with his older brother aged 11 in 1947. He remembers being handed down to the front over the heads of the crowd so he cud see.He said back then a lot of people went to Toon match one week, Sunderland match the next as u supported all ya local teams. He didn't understand where all the rivalry came from

[@williamsoni]

My Dad ( 90 ) has told me the same.

[@stephenpurves2590]

I' was born in 1959 and there was always a friendly rivalry amongst the fans, my recollection of when that changes dates back to 1973 and 1974. In 1973 when Sunderland went on their cup run, pretty much every Newcastle fan I know wanted Sunderland to win, some of my friends even went to a couple of the cup games. The following season however when Newcastle got to the final, pretty much every Sunderland fan I know wanted Liverpool to win. Things were never quite the same after that. 20 years ago aSunderland fan asked me why Newcastle hated them so much, after telling him the story above, he said to me that I was the third Newcastle fan who had told him that.

[@mermaidman1985]

born and bred in Sunderland and my dad used do the same thing (hes in his early 60's) and you've just got to watch Auf Weidersehn Pet. In the original Series Oz was happy to have a pint and a dance with SAFC fans but in the bridge "as long as you're not from Sunderland). Always thought the recent rivalry was manufactured and embellished and pointless when both cities have proud history but hey ho.. Shocking hearing about a lad getting life changing brain injuries over a rivalry man.

[@EdMcF1]

My Dad said the same of the 1950s atmosphere.

[@KevinNelson-zm4co]

I remember lots of Mags getting tickets for the 73 cup run and then changing back to the Mags in 74 then crawling back in the woodwork waiting for success. The same people who’ve crawled out now depriving decent fans of a seat

[@CChrisS217]

You failed to mention that between 2012 and 2016 Sunderland beat Newcastle 6 games in a row!

[@siobhanheale91]

You also failed to mention that Sunderland have been 6 season in a row out of the Premier league 😂

[@stevenmonaghan1301]

You also forgot to mention that between 2012 and 2016 they managed to impregnate there own sisters near 30,000 times a larger number that turns up to watch them at the stadium of shite..!!! SMB

[@karengray662]

Interesting thanks. A point missed in more recent history, until the county boundaries were changed, in the late 1970’s if I remember correctly, Gateshead, south of the Tyne, was in County Durham, along with Sunderland. Newcastle was in Northumberland, north of the Tyne. There were a lot of Sunderland supporters in Gateshead. Though geographically closer to Newcastle it was a different county. The ‘county’ of Tyne & Wear did not exist until then. Consequently, a lot of people born after that time, living south of the Tyne, affiliate more closely with Newcastle than Sunderland. Both my parents were born in Gateshead & supported Sunderland. A small point perhaps, but I think an important one. Enjoyed the video though, thanks

[@MrScumwhisperer]

yep, I was born in Gateshead County Durham & support Sunderland.

[@1984isHereNow]

Great and interesting comment. I consider T & W a fake county, it needs to be abolished and both cities/teams returned to their historical counties.

[@GQuarters]

American newcastle fan for the last 15 years and I appreciate the video. This rivalry runs deep even overseas in the states there have been fights back when they were both in top flight

[@kitcanttat]

My two cents: I grew up in the east Durham coalfield in the Sixties/early Seventies. My brother took me to Roker Park and Hartlepool Utd for the footie. I can honestly say that I never heard the word Mackem in all the time I was there even though my brother was a mad-keen SAFC fan (still is). My dad and family spoke what we called Geordie (with a bit of Pitmatic thrown in). I think it's a post-1980s (I was long gone by then) derivation amplifying earlier written sources.

[@IrishTechnicalThinker]

Absolutely brilliant, love this type of history and how it shaped sports.

[@BurnRoddy]

I'm Uruguayan and my team is Peñarol. It was created by a British railroad company in 1891 as a cricket team and eventually began playing football matches eith the raileoad workers. Ita first rival was Albio FC (now associated worh Nacional's academy) which was a first football club in the country. When Albion became weak as true amateurism was coming to an end an 1899 team called Nacional rose to take its place and was primarily a team of university students ardent supporters of the nationalist movement going on at the time. It was a born as plebes vs burgoise derby 123 years ago and have played 561 games against eachother and its still as fierce as ever. Both teams have won 101 editions of the 121 championships so far. Furthermore, both teams have won multiple official international cups ( 8 cups each) including 3 world titles each.

[@lamarnolan6727]

no one cares

[@guvnormclean]

nice story but wtf hell has this got to do with the North East of England lmao.

[@rowanmelville1310]

Referring to Sunderland and Newcastle being involved in a war in the 1600s as the first Tyne and Wear derby was enough to spill my tea lmao

[@the11metersd.x.channel.55]

The intensity on and off the pitch is unrivalled anywhere ,come the day of a Tyne and wear derby.. For that day it's all out war, for the bragging rights.. At the present time the gulf between 5under1and and Newcastle United in terms of talent on the pitch is worlds apart...🏁

[@sit-insforsithis1568]

“Unrivaled anywhere” that’s not true, go to South America they are crazyy

[@MattsAttack9]

As a Bristol Rovers fan, I think this is one of the top three in England

[@noushitaisa]

The real reason for the hate is that Charles 1 denied the right to ship coal from Sunderland. Which led to poverty and extreme disenchantment

[@Rob-uv8bu]

Thank you subbed now . Very good . Learnt a lot today . Thank you

[@Eric-pt3vq]

Great video! Very interesting. 👍🏻

[@patrickmooney4135]

Great video. Much thanks.

[@karimmoukaddem4491]

Excellent explanation. Very well presented too

[@hubertrnx116]

This was brilliant. Could you do one about the Sheffield Derby? Or maybe a history of Sheffield from the lens of football 😵‍💫

[@tastytucker981]

we have the largest in Tyne and wear back to back with 6 wins in a row. Also we actually haven't played each other since the season before the one you mentioned as newcastle were relegated first in 2015/16, they then replaced us as we went down. And we have the record attendance in a tyne wear derby with 68,000 so not sure where you got 120k at st james from lol

[@Ann-oi]

But we've never been out of the top 2 divisions 😉😊

[@daverutherford6401]

sunlun have also the largest amount of seasons in the third tier of football , oh wait Newcastle have never been in that division lol

[@tastytucker981]

@@daverutherford6401 I never ment that comment to be a dig at newcastle. Obviously I am well aware our lows have been a lot lower than yours and like i said yous came back up as champions and we got relegated again. I was having a dig at the bloke who made the video for glossing over stuff and blatantly getting stuff wrong. Like there is no way he doesn't know about the 6 in a row thing and if he truly didnt then a tiny bit of research would have done the trick, it was literally the last games we played against each other except the last one which was a draw lol

[@daverutherford6401]

@@tastytucker981 you mistake me for a football fan i much prefer Ice Hockey mate, but yes i don't know how anyone could not misinterpret your 'dig' at Newcastle throw some stones and expect some back ;) btw which club between the two of you has won more trophies ?

[@toonboy2658]

​@TastyTucker Sunderland are the worst premier league team in history with the lowest points in the top ten 3 times number 8 number 5 and number 2 and Sunderland didn't win a game for a year

[@LearnRunes]

Thanks for covering the little know background behind this.

[@nikok.6479]

fascinating vid… could you look at the longstanding rivalry between the clapville specialists & blackbridge burnt ones?

[@sneedler4661]

As an American it’s hard to fathom a sports rivalry so old and intertwined with history. The closest things we have over here are probably the baseball rivalries of the east coast metropolitan areas, specifically New York, Boston and Philadelphia which go back to the late 19th century.

[@bumblingbureaucrat6110]

I was going to say the only thing close is the American College football rivalry between the Kansas Bluejays and the Missouri Tigers that goes back to the Civil War

[@resourceress7]

I don't know anything about sports. When you're talking about colleges, are you including the military academies?

[@alansmithee8831]

@Sneedler The Cowboys v The Commanders - something seems amiss?

[@johnenglish929]

That’s why support for soccer in the US will never match the intensity of support for football in the U.K. It lacks the visceral tribal element which is such an integral part of the U.K. football scene - even at schoolboy level.

[@alansmithee8831]

@@johnenglish929 I commented elsewhere, to a namesake who liked "Chopper" Harris, that kids with skill playing tiki-taka style would get kicked to pieces at junior level in English football.

[@-ItsBen]

Great great video ❤

[@tdar91]

Ere that Braveheart edit with the buzzcocks on as he’s talking has absolutely killed is off hahahahaha liked n subbed

[@williamhaines7876]

could you do a video on the origin of football club badges, some interesting iconography on badges of english clubs like the red devil of Man U, Liverbird, Everton's tower. As an AFC Wimbledon fan i would love you to cover my club's badge which has an interesting origin if you look into it, think the topic fits in well with the channel as there are some cool historical talking points looking at club badges.

[@OrigiName]

You made this in PowerPoint!? Thats class mate its got brilliant production value!

[@jesus_is_coming7751]

Newcastle fan and wish all the north east teams all the best as the legend Bobby Robson said

[@peterreid]

sunderland lad here and Sir Bobby Robson is an amazing bloke. His charity work and still continues is fantastic. Absolute gentleman. Bless him.

[@spuggym8986]

Sheffield Wednesday VS Sheffield United would be a good one, there's some very interesting history between the two clubs, as well as a lot of footballing history overall

[@DarkLordDiablos]

The biggest difference is they are both Sheffield based clubs like Liverpool and Everton or Arsenal and Tottenham. Newcastle and Sunderland are clubs with a significant distance between them which makes the storied rivalry more interesting. Taking nothing away from the Sheffield and London based rivalries, but they can be explained far easier due to location and proximity to someone without delving into History than with Newcastle and Sunderland. Funny side note though. There are NFL rivalries that are solely team based which exceed the distance between Newcastle and Sunderland.

[@dinohermann1887]

​@@DarkLordDiablos There's also West Brom vs. Wolves, Burnley vs. Blackburn and Southampton vs. Portsmouth. And here in Germany we have Hamburg (HSV) vs. Werder Bremen as well as Dortmund vs. Schalke.

[@OscarOSullivan]

Munster vs Leinster would be another interesting one

[@anthonyferguson5877]

Think you might need to check your stats Sunderland hold the record for consecutive wins with 6in a row

[@SwiftyDeejay]

It’s really helped them too.

[@TheRokeryte]

​@@SwiftyDeejay The more you put us down, the more significant the six in a row becomes 😂

[@TheRokeryte]

​@@SwiftyDeejay Sausage

[@stevenmonaghan1301]

@@TheRokeryte ya having a laugh arnt you.?? Put you down..?? You doing a great job of that yourselves SMB

[@TheRokeryte]

@@stevenmonaghan1301 I'll put you down. You daft sausage 🌭

[@ryanriley92]

What a biased video. There was never a recorded 130,000 attendance at that match in the 1900s at St James' as newcastles highest recorded attendance is 68,000. You also mentioned something about the 5 beatings newcastle gave us. But went straight on to our relegation in 2017 but no mention of the 6 beatings we gave newcastle and the 9 unbeaten we went from 2011 until present.. Also the comment about scoring 5 goals against Spurs and thinking you'd do it against Sunderland was a bit cheeky as well 😂 But the history bit was pretty spot on. The battle of Boldon Hill happened (I'm from Boldon myself)

[@dan_marshall8949]

well i mean you’ve always got to add your own spice to the food 😂

[@ryanriley92]

@@dan_marshall8949 well I suppose so. The best bit was when he went from mentioning and showing them 5 defeats in the early-mid 2000s but went straight to our relegation over ten years later without mentioning the 6 wins for us. Surprisingly I don't think he mentioned the 5-1 though

[@vp5633]

Grow up

[@ryanriley92]

@@vp5633 why do I need to grow up?

[@dan_marshall8949]

Look all that matters, we have the best fan bases in England. Let’s try not to get all karen like about it

[@gavinfalkous5719]

My Dad told me that because Newcastle UTD player at home one week( Sunderland away) and the next week Sunderland were at home ( Newcastle away) that supporters would visit both St James's and Roker Park. The rivalry is very tongue in cheek, but expected after a bad result. There is not workplace by in the North-East which doesn't have a mix of supporters.

[@Ann-oi]

The rivalry isn't tongue in cheek. I support Newcastle and now live away from the area and people always ask which I am... My expression says it all. I was gutted to discover my g g grandma was a mackem, though my g g grandma family's were against the marriage dating he was marrying beneath himself & they were brought up in South Wales!

[@aachufusihoops]

It’s the stadium of light mate

[@gavinfalkous5719]

@@Ann-oi The idiom tongue-in-cheek refers to a humorous or sarcastic statement expressed in a serious manner. To have a bias, without any other reason, against an group of people or an area is bigotry.

[@DarkLordDiablos]

​@@aachufusihoops it is now but it was Roker Park before that as that is their historical home.

[@Ann-oi]

@@gavinfalkous5719 I know what tongue in cheek means & for many it simply isn't.

[@cage94123567890]

On the Gateshead/Newcastle rivalry part, I'd point out that, as someone from Heed, everyone classes themselves as a geordie anyways. Dunno how much weight that holds historically, but it's worth mentioning.

[@iRedTomato]

Historically Gateshead was a part of County Durham (along with Sunderland), but now it’s definitely more closely associated with Newcastle so identifying as Geordies isn’t too surprising.

[@JohnKobaRuddy]

​@@iRedTomato pretty certain the heeds been interchangeably Northumberland and Durham depending on the period within English/British history

[@iRedTomato]

@☆𝔍𝔬𝔥𝔫 ℜ𝔲𝔡𝔡𝔶☭ I think you'd actually have to go back to before Durham was considered its own County, but that is technically correct.

[@leeharwood9624]

Gateshead used to be gate-side it was the town outside of the walled newcastle, basically they were the same town

[@johnord684]

Well thats wrong

[@davemason2290]

Before we were called Mackem we were known as Geordie's. I understand this was down to Newcastle's and County Durham's pits using the Stephenson Lamps.

[@kevgeordie1]

No, youse where never called Geordies… you might of tried calling yourself’s geordie’s that’s the difference 👍 never where, never will be🫵

[@PaulM_aka_4c21]

100% agree form a geordie sunderland supporter. Mags and Black Cats are the proper terms.

[@gonkheed]

makem and takem comes from the way people from sunderland talk

[@Dimblenick]

A Geordie Here! Howay the lads!

[@henryhayward6485]

Great video. An interesting derby to look at is the South Coast derby between Southampton and Portsmouth. I am from Northumberland but my Dad is from Southampton. It is a similar rivalry in terms of ferocity and in terms of both being docking settlements (although one civilian and one navy). Lots of myths and interesting information in the history of the rivalry between the ‘Scummers’ and ‘Skates’.

[@SerotoninRelease.]

Really nice video. I love this history summaries between rivalries. And what better than the north east derby! Great work. I'd like to point out an inaccuracy. Sunderland's most consectutive wins against newcastle was 6. As for other points, they aren't as clear cut. Sunderland at one stage became the biggest ship building town (before Sunderland became a city) in the world. However, it could still be argued that Newcastle were the bigger ship building port out of the two, I can't find enough information to have a more conclusive answer. Furthermore, "We mak'em, they tak'em" seems to be a bit more muddled and is debated. I'm led to believe it meant Sunderland made the ships, then newcastle used them for their export (possibly in the late Victorian era though.)

[@northernsouldj7591]

That is simply wrong. Sunderland was the biggest shipbuilding town in the world by a LONG way. Now when you go by rivers, the Tyne will rival the Wear, but the yards are shared between Jarrow, Hebburn, South Shields, Wallsend and Newcastle. Where the yards on the Wear are all in Sunderland. But if you want to go by rivers, the Clyde is probably the biggest shipbuilding river anyway. Whichever way you measure it, Sunderland and Belfast were massive shipbuilding towns, and The Wear, Tyne and Clyde were massive shipbuilding rivers.

[@SerotoninRelease.]

@@northernsouldj7591 I literally said at one stage Sunderland became the biggest shipbuilding town. I also never said it was fact about Newcastle being a bigger shipbuilding port, I said it could be argued as there is inconclusive evidence floating around to measure this. Whereas Sunderland being the biggest ship building town in the world was measurable at one point in history. It is important to take into account the differences between the wording of 'town' and a 'city' too, wording has a significant baring on facts. I'm in support of your claims here, and agree that it is most likely the comparison between the rivers rather than the ports.

[@ianmoore3470]

This would be a fun series. Like the relatively unknown but honestly fiercest rivalry. Like everyone knows el Classico and the old firm etc but like the history behind wolves west brom or st Pauli hsv

[@conorsmith8551]

Check out derby days copa 90 mate , lad looks at derbies like sporting gijon v real Oviedo .. Celta Vigo v deportivo la coruna.. real betis v Sevilla .. really fierce rivalries

[@Caktusdud.]

Me personally, for a few reasons I'm neither. I live close enough to Newcastle that I'm well inside their umbrella and there are Newcastle fans EVERYWHERE. One thing I did find interesting is Sunderland's history with ships. So I definitely need to go over and have further in depth look into that. I know Newcastle's history with ships quite well. The Elswick yards and the various warships and other vessels that they build. Oh and the massive betrayal of our government in the 1970s and 80s which one of the reasons why we absolutely HATE our government and I wouldn't be surprised if Sunderland shares that opinion as well.

[@GjordDeLad05]

Great video, it's really nice to learn the history between the two city beyond football. as Newcastle fan in Asia who love history I'm glad I stumble upon your channel

[@HobbyHut01]

12 miles isn’t far enough in my opinion hahahahahah great to see this video mate

[@martinlewins]

Fascinating! Never knew the term Jamie before!

[@MesoGamer10k]

Big history fan as well as a mackem. I knew about the historical rivalry. Although Jamie is new to me.

[@neilcook4686]

At University years ago, I shared a house with a girl from Sunderland - she & her brother used to post "FTM" ('F**k The Mags') stickers everywhere 😊

[@semtexstu3686]

5 in a row.......what about 6 in a row!!

[@gmantoon]

And 6 years in the championship

[@semtexstu3686]

​@@gmantoon and owned by murderess dictatorship lol

[@maxlowthian884]

Geordie (Gateshead lad myself too) great video mate keep up the great work recent vids have been mint. But I've got a question for you mate, have you ever seen a Makem in Milan?

[@JohnKobaRuddy]

No one has

[@TheRokeryte]

Aye. Jordan Henderson.

[@alexcc8664]

I've seen 2 in Qatar this season.

[@psmith77271]

Should be supporting your own local team not running over the bridge to support the muslims

[@alexcc8664]

@@psmith77271 Henderson and Pickford are in the England squad you tool 😂

[@alansmithee8831]

Hello Hilbert. I watched this a couple of weeks back. It seemed like mackem and tackem down off KZbin. My native Bradford City's only FA Cup win was 1911 against Newcastle, when Bradford was still prosperous enough for the FA Cup to have been remade there that year. They were originally a Rugby League team, called Manningham, who won the first RL championship and were named after the area I grew up. They recently lost in the playoffs of the fourth English division to Carlisle United, a northern club which you failed to mention, but who were briefly a first division team when I was a kid. City's local rivals went out of the league at that time in 1970s, that being Bradford (Park Avenue). They are potentially the only team with brackets in the name, their location having been added to distinguish them from City. Bradford City's claret and amber Manningham colours were copied by Motherwell in Scotland and Harry Potter. Park Avenue adopted green and white after a player from Celtic came to the club. Their other colours are black, amber and red of Bradford, like Bradford's remaining RL team, who were known for most of their history as Northern, after the Northern RL, their Odsal stadium, being in South Bradford, having nothing to do with it. However, it was the site of the biggest RL crowd for many years at over 100,000 for a Challenge Cup final replay. Of the football teams you named, Middlesbrough are a Yorkshire club, so I would always pick them in a derby match. For a video on what it is like at such games, here and in Europe, see StuntPegg channel. For local Civil War and RL see Catherine Warr channel.

[@moreish7193]

I'm also a Bradfordian , a lot of this was new to me. thanks

[@alansmithee8831]

@@moreish7193 If you are interested Catherine Warr channel could do with more subscribers. I also subscribe to StuntPegg, but Footy Adventures channel has a video about Park Avenue.

[@aidy6000]

Spent 5 years growing up in Whitley Bay just north of Newcastle. The Sunderland game was a massive deal for my class mates. I stuck with my team Rotherham.

[@northernsouldj7591]

Whitley Bay is EAST of Newcastle.

[@willcampbell7483]

Im from Gateshead and it was very nice and odd to hear my area get a mention so cheers Hilbert

[@stefanschwalenberg8320]

Spurs fan here. I always tell folks who are only slightly, or not at all, familiar w/ English football and its rivalries, if you can't watch a Spurs-Arsenal match, then watch a Tyne-Wear derby match. Sheer madness, intensity through the roof and tons of fun for a neutral guaranteed. Too damn bad there won't be another one for at least a year or two.

[@unholyxeras8182]

There's gonna be one on the 6th of January now...gotta love the FA Cup

[@LmaoJaime]

would be very interesting to see a brit tackle the whole "dictator's club" thing from portugal. good vid!

[@rehsuekul8706]

20 minute video and no mention of the 6 in a row saga. The man punched a horse

[@Scarfaceman77]

It would be cool to see a video on the rivalry between Manchester and Liverpool (as a ManU fan lol)

[@shiggyy]

10/10 on the buzzcocks reference

[@Kugel--]

As a bairn there seemed to be a strong dislike of Newcastle in Sunderland, but now the 2 seem to be more friendly. Maybe because its been a while since a derby has been on, maybe due to a decrease in the hooliganism, but the rivalry seems less intense now

[@mattpryokra2245]

No…. The hate is still there football wise 😂

[@stevenmonaghan1301]

I absolutely hate the SMB

[@ryanthompson8029]

Dont be stupid

[@stephenfrankland485]

Love to see Norwich Vs Ipswich one? It's like the longest distance between a local derby

[@Thisis_NUFC]

Great video thanks for making it

[@kevgeordie1]

The City of Sunderland (/ˈsʌndərlənd/) is a metropolitan borough with city status in the metropolitan county of Tyne and Wear, North East England.

[@commonman131]

Back in the sixties there was more banter ( name call ling ) and some fighting but over the years it's got worse, gang fights turned into ordinary supporters been attacked.

[@kevgeordie1]

It was granted city status in 1992, the Ruby Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II's accession to the throne. The borough had a population of 275,400 at the time of the 2011 census, with the majority of the population (174,286) residing in Sunderland.[2]

[@cephastwist]

Wasn't expecting this from history with Hubert, rate it]

[@michaelbeveridge6208]

The main problem for mackems is that bad smells always carry downwind. The soap dodgers live 11 miles north of us!

[@MildlyEducational]

West Ham v Millwall might be an interesting topic to discuss

[@bikopot227]

I did not expect history with Hillbert to make a video about this, personally i love Newcastle United, its my favourite english team.

[@alansmithee8831]

Hilbert, further to previous comment, you may have seen Carlisle United won their playoff game at Wembley to get promoted to the third English division.

[@benbrown2292]

You had requested ideas on other rivalry/derby videos. I was on a football trip a few years ago watching matches in the Blackburn, Preston and Bolton area in England and was surprised by the fact everyone seemed to hate Burnley. I've always wondered why has Burnley drawn the ire of so many?

[@dan_marshall8949]

I’m from sunderland and i love this mate! But the thing is, didn’t we not make them and the mags took em out to be fitted?

[@daverutherford6401]

No, sunderland churned out hundreds of small ships being that the Wear is smaller than the Tyne, it was like a conveyor belt of small ships leaving the river the term 'you tak-em' is generic and aimed at whoever wanted them in general. The Tyne built the larger ships but for obvious reasons took longer to build, that said i do believe some ships built on the Wear were fitted out in South Shields .

[@northernsouldj7591]

​@@daverutherford6401Sunderland could build ships up to 100,000 tonnes. There's only about 6 ships built on the Tyne that couldn't be built in Sunderland (the Esso Northumbria for example). And apart from that, the ones built on the Tyne, certainly weren't built in Newcastle. They would have been built in either Wallsend, or Hebburn (which had more Sunderland supporting employees than Skunks anyway).

[@MarkPitsmoorOwl]

Sheffield Wednesday v Sheffield United is just 4milles apart in Englands 4th largest city of Sheffield There is a real hatred between the fans, which often goes into violence and serious disorder when they play each other

[@j_vasey]

I live in Newcastle and I wonder if Jamie mightve been Jammie? A slang term. Interesting video thankyou.

[@mikelitorous5570]

I think in the next few years once Sunderland get back into the prem both us and Newcastle will be top 10 staples and the derby will only increase in popularity which is good for the area

[@RobJaskula]

Both teams in the top flight can only help the north east

[@_doxinho]

I'm in the same boat, atmosphere at a derby or playing smoggies would be class and we're in a position now where I wouldn't have to sit through another 6 in a row😅

[@OscarOSullivan]

They say the Munster vs Leinster rivalry is back

[@SnowyNI]

Wonder if it wasn't Jamie as in James, but Jamie pronouced as Jammy as in a jam sandwitch, which if was the mostly used Strawberry jam, it would have been Red & White like the Sunderland colours?? Just a thought.

[@WayneCalvert]

i from manchester area and yes the newcastle v sunderland rivalry is well known. i suspect it is in most places

[@memofromessex]

You should Darlo versus Hartlepool (Monkey hanging bastards) next

[@theferret390]

At this precise moment the Toon aren't even the biggest club in the North East,check out league titles won(equivalent to winning the Premier League)Forever in our shadow Toon.HWTL.

[@ralphhaldane3349]

Heated rivalry and yes hatred, but, its also good to point out that both clubs supporters have set aside all that in the face of tragedy. Sunderland fans raise thousand for the two Newcastle fans killed in the MH17 disaster. The floral tributes outside ST James park were a mixture of both teams colours and shirts, it was touching to see.

[@karlkarlos3545]

Hilbert: "George the first who came to the throne after William of Orange and his wife Queen Mary died..." Queen Anne: "I am a joke to you?"

[@jakobsroom_]

Didn't expect this topic from an already class history account, UTM ⚫️⚪️

[@MrKrewie]

Imagine beating someone to the point of permanent brain damage over a football rivalry...

[@user-to4qy4ss4b]

How come you didn’t include Sunderland’s 6 in a row 2013-15?

[@stevenmonaghan1301]

Bless

[@danworzofski822]

It is my understanding that it goes we makem takem and brakem as a reference to the building and dismantlers or breakers of ships. In layman’s terms they make them take them and break them. It was through this saying they get called makems.

[@swarren2913]

Coventry City, our rivalries always feel forced because it depends on who we're in the same division as at any given time. It's usually Villa or Leicester but at our worst it was Walsall

[@swarren2913]

Saying that though there is a thing between Sunderland and Cov over a game in the 70s which depending on your perspective was a fix or a totally normal event

[@newcastleutd4life624]

Newcastle utd fan from hartlepool 45 mile down the road been a fan for 36 years am 43 now

[@klauskillski3881]

@2:59 what's the song's name?

[@karlosdeevs]

me too, can't find it anywhere

[@phantomshadowfax5431]

NEWCASTLE!!!! am thrilled for the first time in my adult life to be a fan! HOWAY THE LADS

[@duran9664]

🤢🤢🤮 That totally explains why the Gordies r wired to be easily sold to the absolute dictatorship monarchy of the saudi royal mafia 🤢🤢🤮

[@Thegungus]

120,000 in the 1800's is absolutely crazy. The birthplace of modern football has to be the North East.