The Batman Should Be the First DCU Movie

[@HiTopFilms]

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[@Robin_Is]

Ok.

[@Wookie-edits761]

Beautiful video

[@disneyfox5726]

In 1990, after finishing with the filming of Darkman, Raimi pitched, along with Marvel Comics writer Stan Lee, the concept of a Thor feature film to 20th Century Fox. However, they didn't understand Raimi's and Lee's idea and the project was abandoned. Now it'll be a golden opportunity for James Gunn to hire Raimi for a project like Constantine to explore the dark-gritty, ethical and mythical sides of DCU ❤‍🔥.

[@copyandpaste1421]

Have you ever seen the DCAMU? It feels like a comic turned into animation and I would love to hear your thoughts on it

[@serious.humor_a0z]

​@@disneyfox5726 well now I could probably say that Fox had regretted rejecting this project and that too after the release of Raimi's Spider-Man Trilogy 💥

[@CoolCatCam77]

“I am all for a bat family, but I want to see the formation of that, not just the aftermath” This hits different. I hope we actually get to see this

[@SpinoSam]

The fact they are starting with Damian Robin and Batman is already proof that they arent and it really pisses me off

[@rowandunning6877]

like start with a Dick Grayson Robin, not Damian Wayne, he should come much much later

[@HiTopFilms]

Same.

[@SlimmArmstrong]

@@SpinoSam- because they are already making the same mistake as last time. You can’t just say “here you go”. Even with all of us comic fans knowing the story already, you SHOW us what this world is. You don’t Tell us. BUILD this world. EARN these stories. And our movie-going money.

[@MohamedSalahYouTube]

@@SpinoSam yeah

[@thedeepchocolate8305]

Actually there is a comic where Alfred's car broke down and he just so happened to be within vicinity of the Kent farm. Young Clark sees Bruce in the car and asks him if he wants to play ball with him, much like the story you presented. However, Alfred encourages Bruce to go play with him and the two have the time of their lives. Later in the story, it is revealed that Alfred could've fixed the car immediately, but he hadn't seen Bruce so happy that he decided to not repair his car just yet.

[@shaanwayne815]

That was a sweet story

[@5678hu]

Batman / Superman Worlds Finest from New 52... It's actually from Earth 2, but in my headcanon it happened in every universe 😅

[@jspur22]

lol and young bruce basically immediately finds out Clark has super powers in the funniest way.

[@Kynreevez]

Yeah that one was super silly. Car breaks down in Kansas 1.5K miles away from NY/NJ where Gotham is located. Made no sense.

[@jspur22]

@@Kynreevez I think it's more like Oakland/San Francisco in this comic. Some have Gotham and Metropolis like across the bay, or another one was I think 3 hours away. But yeah you are right if you base it on "canon" or whatever the hell they decide in doing these days lol.

[@yansantiago8309]

Man I wish. I respect Reeves' choice to make it a seperate thing and Robert doesn't really want to be tied down to a cinematic universe as expansive as the DCU. But man the Batman feels like an amazing start-off point to a universe in need of heroes that are hopeful.

[@abominable.7800]

yeah esspecially since in the end of the movie batman realizes he can give hope to the people of gotham and not just terrify the criminals

[@moneykenny119]

Idk I like Batman separate from the rest, in DC as a whole a more Gotham based Batman has always felt like a different character to me than Justice League bats. Man can fight someone like Darkseid but then has trouble with a more toned down Riddler?

[@shotgun-enjoyer]

We already did that it didnt work

[@erenjaeger1738]

I wonder if it's up to Robert, too

[@lecomingbegend497]

​@@moneykenny119Batman villains give Batman trouble because they are specifically antithetical to his nature. Wonder Woman wouldn't struggle against Poison Ivy or Riddler.

[@ccrisp93]

I don’t see why Reeves can’t oversee the Batverse within the DCU for Gunn and then whenever characters from Gotham cross over with the rest of the DCU, he can be consulted as Gunn was for the guardians in infinity war, end game and Thor

[@HiTopFilms]

Exactly the perfect idea that we will never see.

[@silly_on_]

COLLABORATION IS KEY

[@richardgat4606]

eh, i dont think Gunn wants to hassle himself with that after marvel forgot that starlord lost his mask and rocket boots in guardians 2 only for them to appear again in the infinity war/endgame story.

[@Mugen2024]

​@@HiTopFilmsSo, have you changed your mind about this? I think The Batman Matt Reeves Universe will be better if it is isolated, just like the past triology. Think with me, we already have few hero films that follow this shared universe formula, like MCU and some other bizarre films, The Batman is a return to the classic style of the 2000s Movies, it's refreshing. The isolated and shared universe should not be a rule of plot quality, the MCU is connected and has many problems. I believe it is better to see a Batman "made" for the DC shared universe, different from what Snyder's Batman was, and in fact a fantasy and great Batman, exploring other facets of the character, without needing to explore the origin of. I know it's annoying not to see everything starting, like it was in the MCU, but that's it, business issues, they have to react quickly with the DCU. The focus of the DCU will not be just on Batman or Superman, but the entire narrative behind, and several other possible characters, Batman cannot be the protagonist alone in this universe, so it is necessary to see a Batman that works in this universe.

[@MarcusRippedEmOff]

@@HiTopFilms breaks my heart that wont😔

[@marcmcloud_555]

Even though this isnt happening, I really hope James Gunn at least makes Batman not too much older from Superman

[@TheRealHerbaSchmurba]

He will likely have 10 years over him. At this point he has a Damian Robin. My guess is Batman will be around 37-40 whereas Superman will be around 26-30

[@paulomota2289]

He said Superman is gonna be near David cornswet so 30-32 and Batman 36-40

[@marcmcloud_555]

@@TheRealHerbaSchmurba Thats so strange to me, because them being the same age or around the same age is a big deal for me personally

[@alfwinch24]

I hope Jensen Ackles becomes the DCU Batman. He would fit perfectly.

[@lloyd777]

He said they will make him just a bit older😂

[@immersivecomics1603]

I’ve been saying this since the announcement of a new Batman. I think seeing all of these DC movies being told in different tones and scales is brilliant. The best way to separate the DCU from the MCU.

[@K-One582]

It's like the Daredevil series, which is meant to be part of the MCU officially, but fans often say it isn't because the tone is dark and mature. The darker tone actually makes the MCU seem more interesting because it diversifies it.

[@axlpuff5017]

Exactly. DC have tried to emulate Marvels formula before and it didn't go too well. They're better off taking their own approach. Plus MCU fatigue is starting to set in, so the different approach will keep DC from feeling stale. Not to mention, people like different things. Plenty of fans want the more comic accurate fanciful depiction of Batman, but you also can't deny the popularity of the grittier version of Batman in a less fanciful world. So having 2 separately distinct depictions to fill both those roles isn't a bad thing for Batman fans.

[@wiggy009]

I’ve always thought this. What makes shared universes awesome is the ability to have many different types of tones and styles exhibiting the same shared world. Batman is versatile enough as a character to work with the justice league and then go back to Gotham city and have gritty and grounded story. Seeing Batman and Superman as equals figuring things out together would be magnificent

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

How about a different type of tone that doesn't SUCK?

[@sultanmufleh2905]

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 which tone sucks

[@NICH0LASW0LFF]

I don't see why Batman can't battle his villains in solo movies and then in justice league movies he battles who ever they're up against. That's how it is in the comics

[@soar4648]

it amazes me that to this day, we do not have a movie about Bruce and Clark's brotherly bond. I feel this is what the new dcu desperately needs. The balance between Bruce's dark world, and Clark's world of light and hope.

[@aomaito5549]

I know right!? Part of what makes the Justice League formation special is Batman and Superman. Two people with completely different ideologies, two different experiences who respect each other despite how different they are. Both praise one another, believing the other has qualities that the other believes they lack. It's a beautiful friendship to see.

[@fernandovelasquez1887]

We could of had this, but they keep choosing to make things like Black Adam or back in 2016’s Suicide Squad lol

[@Battinson]

THE BATMAN 2 is gonna shit on the DCU

[@henryflores3602]

Yea, you could blame that on Zack Snyder. He made his superman the same as his batman

[@sfdko3291]

It's because you always have to make them fight

[@hipstercaden7739]

You’ve just said everything I’ve been thinking ever since it was announced that Pattinson wouldn’t join the ranks of the Justice League in this new DCU Gunnverse and I cannot even explain how much this low key upsets me. Granted, if Reaves and Pattinson don’t really wanna be tied down to something like that, that’s totally understandable. It’ll absolutely take a while before we even see the potential of the DC Cinematic Universe start to form, but the fact that it’s not starting with Battinson and instead we’re getting yet another Batman is, like you said, nothing but missed potential.

[@kalebpinkston3495]

Hey it’s my favorite pretentious superhero KZbinr

[@Ace_M.]

And I watch his uploads every time

[@requiem8940]

he is the one who cooks

[@SiggyTundra]

Pretentiously poetic punk parading his prick around the platform to push his idea of what it means to be not just powerful but superpowerful.

[@joechill6327]

Wouldn't have it any other way.

[@mkdmc]

i mean we literally come here for it

[@inflationrisk]

Bruce's very human physiology and his very inhuman personality contrasts extremely well with Clark's very inhuman physiology and his very human personality. Developing that friendship makes for sweet poetic irony.

[@offwhitebombshelta6691]

I’ve been saying this for a while now man. People forget Batman’s most grounded stories in the comics doesn’t change the fact that other heroes pre exist in that universe with him, they just don’t get involved with his separate gotham activities

[@Theoarr]

It's an absolute shame we haven't seen the true friendship of Bruce and Clark on the big screen yet. It's one of my favorite relationships in all of comics.

[@HUNK__S]

well blame snyder for killing supes in his 2nd appeared movie, stupid vision no wonder DCEU failed

[@jingleballs9935]

@@HUNK__Sfrrl

[@darkman7009]

since when bruce and clark were friend? he been plan to backstabbing superman due to paranoia of overpower kryptonian would destroy world

[@Theoarr]

@@darkman7009 depends on what form of media you watching bro. sometimes they are reluctant friends turned into best friends. justice league animated series for example

[@jacobkirk1846]

I think the main thing is that James Gunn’s style, tone, and world that he’s building are COMPLETELY different from the vision that Reeves set in The Batman. Pattinson’s Batman could fit super well next to a Superman or a JL, but I think Reeves would have to be in Gunn’s position as the architect for it to work.

[@wiggy009]

Or reaves and Gunn can work together as equals so that different tones can exist simultaneously

[@jacobkirk1846]

@@wiggy009 they could do that. But I think that Gunn would have to severely alter his plans for that to work. Gunn is creating a world where superheroes have always existed and their plentiful, plus weird cartoony characters like Batmite exist. I don’t think any of that jives well with the tone or story that Reeves has set up.

[@eldritchpumpkinghost2968]

@@wiggy009 Not really, compromising each other's vision sounds awful.

[@rileybecerril7554]

@@eldritchpumpkinghost2968he literally just said having two different tones which is exactly what this KZbinr is saying. They’re different characters that’s who they are they’re not like he said marvels New York City

[@Jose-se9pu]

People seem to forget The Batman was some sort of a miracle that came out by complete accident, after Ben Affleck quit the direction, then quit the role, and then Matt Reeves decided to not use his script set in the DCEU...the reason why The Batman works so well is because is not trying to fit in a shared universe, and this was by complete accident...you can already see Warner trying to make The Batman have its own shared universe, because you know, money, and while I'm excited for The Penguin, I think this is also a mistake...the genre is in such a poor state, the few good things we get are by accident.

[@Synthpopper]

Agreed. It annoys me to no end that Batman is typically excluded, or the main connected universe gets a lesser Batman with no movie of his own

[@darkfire7660]

The DCU Batman is getting his own movie.

[@Henchman.24]

@@darkfire7660 *Gotham, night time. It's a cold and wet late evening. We pan down to an alleyway, situtated behind a large grand theatre/operahouse. A man and woman are walking away from the rear exit of the theatre with their child when suddenly, a shrouded figure appears before them, blocking the street light.* *It's Howard the duck. Batman is in the MCU now.*

[@Totecc]

??? There has only been one Cinematic Universe attempt. The new DCU will have one. The DCAU, DCAMU, Tomorrowverse had a few batman movies.

[@thesuperframe]

Been saying this too, I think it could work, all though I'm equally happy for Reeves to do his own thing as well.

[@sammyismuff]

I’d prefer if they waited until after The Batman 3 comes out to bring Batman into the DCU, regardless of whether or not they reboot the character. But yeah, it should be up to Reeves and Pattinson.

[@baki484]

I'm also very happy it's separate. It's actually a breath of fresh air.

[@ChidiAmechi-ce7rj]

Bro u make the best fan fics I swr

[@ClaireSunshine]

I can understand why Reeves wants them separate, I can understand that Pattinson doesn't want to be tied down But god I can't help but look at His Batman and feel like he'd be perfect at capturing the energy Bruce and Clark have. It makes me want to see it so badly.

[@RedDeath2001]

Imagine if Robert Downey Jr's Iron-Man was taking place in a standalone universe and Tom Cruise got to play the main Iron-Man in the MCU. That's literally what they're doing with Robert Pattinson's Batman.

[@kitgo596]

Robert Downey Jr's iron man also kinda felt grounded for the most part except nanotech armour, comic faithful iron man has extremis power and is putting armour in his bones.

[@Johnnysmithy24]

💯

[@Johnnysmithy24]

@@kitgo596The first Iron Man felt so much more grounded than anything we got later

[@kitgo596]

@@Johnnysmithy24 they still made him grounded in mcu like i said tony in the comics becomes like a superhuman with extremis serum on top of having an armour and his bleeding edge armour was like magic and was stored in his bones, while mcu make all that grounded with tony putting chips in his body to call his armour pieces and a nanotech Armor which is made up of nano particles inside his arc reactor that is still very much more believable than what comics did with iron man.

[@ImWithMe]

@@Johnnysmithy24Yeah. That’s the point though. Start grounded, then add Norse Gods, then add aliens, then add magic. It’s like that for a reason.

[@pabloiriqui6128]

EXACTLY! The whole appeal of DC is how different every character’s world is. The sun bathed Metropolis of Superman, the gothic broken Gotham of Batman, the mythical amazon isle of Wonderwoman. That’s what’s so appealing, why not have Reeves do it’s thing and have their take on Robin evolve and years later we see Nightwing appear in Brave and the Bold. Why not have two young Bruce and Clark meet, disagree, team up and grow.

[@darkelmo2023]

Ngl ive been dreaming about this since Pattinson's Batman first came out. I had invisioned a world where we could soft reboot DC with Pattinson and Corenswet as we slowly and peaceful left the DCEU

[@crod9905]

I'm more upset how Joker 2019 and The Batman 2022 don't connect either. They fit each other perfectly from their gritty tones and atmospheres to their "weird" depictions of the characters.

[@jingleballs9935]

I agree. Their worlds actually fit a lot. They could have took that Bruce Wayne scene out and saved it. I already thought the Bruce Wayne cameo was too muchz

[@mateopaez1020]

I think they still technically could cuz the joker takes place way before and the new joker could be a copy cat or whatever but idk

[@sup3414]

That doesn't make sense. In Joker 2019, Joker is a middle aged dude with a 8 year old Bruce. The Batman has both Bruce and Joker being around the same age.

[@icey7539]

@@sup3414it’s theorized that pheonix’s joker may have just been an inspiration for the actual joker so they could still make it work

[@tonmaster2]

Ew no.

[@paulomota2289]

They could have a 31 year old Clark who has been Superman for 6-7 years and a 38 year old Bruce who has been Batman for 14 years

[@jaehurd3524]

Gunns whole vision is based on giving directors the ability to make their own movies, and having two batmen at once is a bad idea, so I definitely agree

[@NickWhite-fw7dx]

Well it wasn’t Gunn’s idea it was Reeves’.

[@raquelveloz2481]

I’d prefer Pattinson to stay in his own universe. Though I must admit that him and Corenswet would look good together

[@HiTopFilms]

I agree 100%. But the look of them is just perfect.

[@RealEllenDeGeneres]

Yea I'm not sure why people think The Batman belongs in the DCU. It's way too grounded and dark and wouldn't mesh with actual flying superheroes and whatnot. I also think The Batman is overrated. The Riddler felt pretty lame to me and they changed him too much to even feel like a real Batman villain. The movie felt more like someone dressed up as batman to hunt down a random serial killer. I say dressed up because we just didn't get that many batman moments. The only one that comes to mind is him flying across buildings. None of the cool grappling hook, smoke bombs, ninja shit. I know he's supposed to be new and hasn't figured it all out yet, but it's still a batman movie at the end of the day and I feel like Matt Reeves was scared of the source material.

[@Seoyeaji921]

​@@RealEllenDeGeneresI don't get what's the problem in that? In animated universe Batman is still a normal guy with normal villains but also has teamed up with supes and has fought many Super villains so it's not something unusual.

[@jingleballs9935]

@@RealEllenDeGeneresbruh.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

God did I love 2005. That was the year I learned what Star Wars was since it was when Revenge of the Sith came out.

[@jaxsondav9546]

I’m not gonna lie, I think as Battinson’s tech and character evolve, he’ll be more like the comics for sure. In the next film I expect a functioning cape glide and Arkham reminiscent gadgets if not in progress

[@jeyrey9835]

I absolutely agree. It’s very similar to RDJ’s iron man. In the first movie he could barely fly and could only fly up to a certain altitude. Iron man 2 he’s equipping his suits via briefcase on the fly.

[@dragazoidyt4464]

@@jeyrey9835 yeah it could be like how tony stark evolved in the mcu from a clunky suit all the way to nano tech suit

[@joshcooke4196]

This is an incredible take. A beautiful take and one I whole heartedly agree with, even if it is controversial. The broken, scarred man that is Matt Reeves Batman would blend so well with a universe that has a hopeful optimistic, selfless superman. The differences between Bruce and Clark is what makes the dynamic so incredible, two heroes juxtaposing each other, learning from each other and growing together in-spite of their differences. Once again Hitop you have inspired me with your work, the way you put your love for these characters to words is beautiful. Thank you for your passion, for your ability to open your heart to your audience. You have an incredible talent to take your opinions and turn them into art. Much love man ❤️

[@paper-antlers]

Hey man, I just wanted to say I fucking love your videos. You've inspired me so much to make my own content. And although none is made (yet) I still aspire to make something as high quality and passion filled as your vids. You've meant a lot to me as a channel while I grew up. Keep doing what you do, you're appreciated more than you can imagine.

[@HiTopFilms]

Thank you so much for the kind words. Never stop believing that you can create. I promise. It’s worth it.

[@AscalonDrake]

Pattinson's Batman is too realistic And that's why he'd be a perfect contrast for a Superman

[@highground5759]

Alright this is my favorite video of yours by a lot. That part at the end gave me serious chills. I want this Batman and this Superman to grow as heroes, to build a Justice League, to fight - and lose - together. From scratch. I want to see the Bat-family be formed in live action. In real time. I want that juxtaposition of just a man fighting alongside a set of very human gods for the sake of not just the world: but for himself and the ones he left behind. The ones who can still save him. The ones he wants to save even as they try evermore to hurt him. I just wish they’d take their time and start from the beginning. Yes: have a Damien Wayne! Absolutely get a Jason Todd! A live action Red Hood would be sick: especially in a world with a Superman and a Wonder Woman, and so on. It would be a shame to start with a Batman that’s already been through everything when it would be so much more impactful to live through it with him, with a Bruce that has a lot to work through: too many people to save and not enough time to help himself. It’s just too bad that we have one right there - a masterfully portrayed version of the character - but one that will surely be left alone, without a Justice League to ever grow with him.

[@adisura9904]

I have a similar issue. They could very easily let The Batman stay canon to the Gunn universe. Through tv series they could connect dots to the eventual brave and the bold. Which if i was incharge would come after the batman 3, as a start to the next trilogy, but i also love the idea of greyson acting as batman after Bruce goes missing. I have many ideas! Like pretty much all fans. All i wish is Gunn makes a universe DC fans can call their own and love it as much as they love these characters

[@JoshuaHenelyThornhill]

On one hand you have a brilliant filmmaker who doesn’t compromise his integrity and artistic vision. On another hand you got a brilliant filmmaker who’s been hired for his prowess with the genre and one job that is creating a cohesive cinematic universe. I don’t see a world where both can coexist because the studios are expecting a certain look and a certain feel but gosh darn it I want each of them cinematographers to be able to express themselves fully with having to freaking compromise.

[@wisespidey]

Word.

[@sumanthatluri6413]

Why not let Reeves make his movies and in the meanwhile make other solo movies such as Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern etc. Once Reeves is done, you can convinve Patttinson to stay and make a cinematic universe. Isn't this what mcu did?

[@CH3F_Gilly]

I feel like james gunn needs to see this video cause your explanation for everything is very good and the passion oozed out while talking about this. I honestly didnt realize how much i would prefer this too. I love gunn and his movies hes done and really feel like this would be the golden ticket to having a long term world to build these chracters and have them grow. I just really want to be able to see batman grow find robins watch them become their own heroes and help with the league.

[@jasonnash8276]

Fact we need James and Matt to see this video

[@NickWhite-fw7dx]

I don’t think they would change their mind even if they did.

[@roc5291]

I would love to see this happen. The young Batman, working hard against becoming the cynical, hard boiled anti hero, fighting the criminal element, working in the same universe as the optimistic, upbeat Superman. Both trying hard to defeat evil and inspire their people in the power of their examples for a better tomorrow.

[@AutiSmISME]

Peak is so close but so far. This video actually gives me chills.

[@LoudYapper]

Hear me out, Pattinsons Batman and Phoenix's Joker being in the same universe. Now that would be amazing.

[@sup3414]

That makes no sense. Pheonix's Joker is way too old for Pattinson's Batman. Plus Pattinson already has a young Pre-Joker.

[@LoudYapper]

@@sup3414 well in the movie I think the Joker is officially somewhere in his early 20s xd, so they would have like what a 13 year difference. It would have been interesting to see in any case

[@Nethan_The_Drawer]

I would love if the first Justice League movie was about them fighting the Authority. If Battinson was in the movie, he could have an excellent fight/debate with Midnighter about how vengeance isn't the way and about how people need hope. I think it would be particularly poignant with Battinson because he himself once embodied vengeance and knows firsthand the damage it could do, not just to the world but to one's self.

[@Dylanisa_BasketCase]

You make some good points initially I wasn't sure about having Pattinson as the DCU Batman but I recently saw your take on this on a stream and I agree.

[@nuclearbeef2741]

James Gunn needs to see this

[@R4_iny]

Totally agree with your points in this video. Still hope both universes don’t bring each other down and are able to coexist.

[@murphey883]

I like the idea of Batman being absent from a justice league movie until the very end when all hope is lost. That seems in line with the comic books and that route would prevent compromises to The Batman’s Aesthetic and character arc.

[@MerpyJoe]

I've been thinking this exact same thing for months. The idea of a less fantastical Batman fighting aliens by the side of literal gods is an amazing idea.

[@Maab134]

This batman is clearly labelled as an elseworld, both gunn and reeves has said that it's a seperate universe that reeves is creating which is a realistic or grounded universe that contains no fantastical element in it, gunn's DCU is basically the main universe comic book batman coming to live action, also Pattinson's batman has only trained with alfred to become a vigilante he has no history of training with several masters that main universe batman has which includes ras al ghul as what DCU Batman has who literally has a Damian, in no way it is possible that Pattinson's batman can be DCU Batman.

[@alberto1583]

I get what you're saying man and I wish I could be as hopeful as you, but I don't trust Warner Bros. to not interfere with Reeve's vision. I trust James Gunn to leave this universe alone, but as DC's approach with Watchmen has proven, once you start messing with it you can never stop. I love the idea that a masterful, ambitious story is untouched and allowed to grow in it's own space. All love and respect bro!

[@williamcairer9713]

As mush as I agree with you in other videos, I would love if reeves kept this batman far more grounded

[@HiTopFilms]

100% see that perspectives and agree, but also, i don’t think that means Batman cannot play baseball with Superman.

[@jonahdalfen2591]

Best youtuber out there by far. only guy i have the bell on for. So pumped for jason keep it up dude!

[@buccaneercat]

I wouldn’t hate Robert Pattinson’s Batman becoming the DCU Batman as long as WB completely leaves Matt alone with Batman, and brings him in as a massive consultant every time Batman meets a superpowered character. My wish (which is highly unlikely to come true) is that Matt Reeves dabbles in the fantastical side of Batman’s mythos while still maintaining his artsy gothic and mostly grounded aesthetic he chose for The Batman (2022). If he utilized characters such as Poison Ivy, Mr Freeze, Clayface, Killer Croc, Man Bat, Bane, Scarecrow etc. he could keep their existence and abilities (in his “realistic” grounded universe) as a mysterious unsettling phenomenon. Almost like how X-Files treated aliens, demons, and monsters in our “realistic world”. They can simply exist without much explanation, and they’ll be seen as the uncanny. That would separate Nolan’s “realistic take” from Matt’s “realistic take”. Keep the beautiful aesthetic from the first film, but don’t be afraid to get a little crazy.

[@littleredruri]

We should make a petition for Reeves and Gunn to reconsider and put these two together. I know it would never work... but with hope, maybe it could.

[@montaquimislamnoor8327]

Reeves is an old school filmmaker like Nolan, Fincher, Tarantino. He won't participate in such average summer blockbuster fest shenanigans

[@littleredruri]

@@montaquimislamnoor8327 what if you could turn the summer blockuster into more than just mediocre shenanigans though? If anyone can, it's him.

[@xanderross366]

I genuinely don't see any reason why it couldn't

[@eldritchpumpkinghost2968]

Unless the DCU is made to be ultra realistic too with little to no fantastical aspects for Superman and the others, I don’t see how they are compatible without spiting in Reeves’ vision

[@djaaronix]

@@montaquimislamnoor8327 ah yes, the man who made three movies where monkeys take over the world would not participate in such things

[@PixelatedFlu]

"The Batman" is a perfect emblematic shift from heroes needing that gritty dark edge to become the rays of light and hope they originally were needed to be.

[@Everik-ct6pg]

I wonder if there's still enough time for Gunn to change course with the universe to allow something like Pattinson and Corenwet to meet, but it might be too late.

[@immersivecomics1603]

Well Brave and the Bold hasn’t started production yet so maybe there is time. It’s doubtful that they’d change their minds unfortunately

[@thatsmenigu1954]

He'll no

[@SilverCenturion2k6]

It's too late

[@AutiSmISME]

I don't even think this could be bad idea we already know others hero's exist in the batman universe like wonder women and seeing how the batman 2 will have mister freeze so its going into a more fantasy approach it would not be bad if the batman is in dcu and seeing how brave and the bold Is like a couple years away it not like it couldn't work. Seeing how new Clayface movie will be a horror/thriller which fits into the fames the batman going in. It also saves time on casting a batman. But I do get that reeves and Patterson don't want to be tied to a cinematic universe which is totally reasonable as it takes away so much opportunityes when coming to movies or shows.

[@navakami]

omg my favorite youtuber dropped on my lunch break❤️

[@CCEkeke]

I agree with you on the older, seasoned Batman. It would great to see a Batman in his prime, 5-7 years of experience but still has more adventures ahead of him than behind him.

[@Eragon530]

Just goes to show how well organized and structured MCU was when they started with Iron Man. Just so disappointing that DCU can’t even manage to do the basics of making good solo films first then putting them together.

[@NickWhite-fw7dx]

DCU is fine so far.

[@silversrc]

Can't judge the DCU yet, but the MCU set a standard for the MCU (till endgame), "always stay grounded and have some level of seriousness and interconnectivity", if the current plans for the DCU stay as they are it seems really doomed, I don't know why it's starting with yet another anti hero series instead of The Batman, which would be a perfect introduction to new people.

[@caseyloomis5743]

I feel like people forgot that for a while legacy characters weren't just temporary replacements while we waited for the "original" to come back But for a while, Dick Grayson wasn't just a legacy character, he WAS BATMAN Same goes for Wally West

[@playcoarmboy1836]

I totally agree, i always wanted the batman to be the first dcu movie, it sucks that they are going with a deferent batman for the dcu, I really hope they would change their mind and make the batman be the starting point of the dcu

[@eldritchpumpkinghost2968]

I don’t think it’s possible without having Matt Reeves leave the Batman projects. Having his universe in a world with goofy characters like Superman and Wonder Woman would be spitting on his vision. Unless they somehow remove as much fantastical stuff as possible from DCU which I don’t see happening either.

[@footsoljier6468]

I am so glad DC is finally stepping up and making good movies and shows lately. The Batman, Titans, and Blue Beetle are just a few examples of how good DC can be in their live action cinematics if they try

[@filipirodrigues8569]

This video says everything that i always wanted to say, thank you for putting in words ❤️

[@aymaanrashid2033]

I 100 percent agree. Having a “ grounded ‘ batman in a world with superman is brilliant. Also this 2 versions of these characters seem perfect for each other. But we are never seeing them together 😭

[@MrMgkman13]

I 100% want to see this Batman fight some fantastical enemies. We have a super realistic Batman already. Batman isn’t always just fighting the Mob and the same 4 criminals reimagined. This is the best looking Gotham we’ve gotten yet and I want to see some epic battles in the streets and on the rooftops

[@lecomingbegend497]

Who would you want him to fight against? I'd love Mr Freeze and Poison Ivy in the next film but I think we're getting Joker again.

[@thatsmenigu1954]

Not going to happen pat is to realistic

[@parknng333]

Best way for them to establish Robert’s Batman batfamily, have the rest of the trilogy establish dick Grayson becoming nightwing, then have a batfamily show and each season establishes one character like batgirl/oracle, Jason todd, or have them all in one season, but each season FOCUSES on one certain character

[@Bwoodlyy]

Been waiting for our strongest soldier to join this war. Pattinson is Batman. Edit: Also to argue for your point, this is exactly how the modern (as in post 1980s) DC Comics works. Batman Year One takes place in the DC universe yet that doesn’t rob it of it’s connection to reality at all. The Batman is even less grounded in reality than the actual Year One book (camera contacts) but somehow we’re supposed to believe It’s just too “real” to fit in the new DCU? Matt’s vision takes first priority and I’d much rather the Reevesverse be safe from the inevitable WB self destruction of the DCU, yet that doesn’t make The Batman any less perfect as the start of a new universe.

[@Sus_Bak]

The Missed Opportunity is neither James Gunn's fault nor is Matt Reeves's. It's Warner Brothers who are doing the dirty work in hope of earning more 💰...

[@multiverseguy1239]

One of my favourite things from The Batman was seeing how pretty Gotham looked and I feel like Metropolis could look fantastic if it was a colourful fantasy land after Superman establishes himself

[@dukemanu9580]

That you made this video in 21:9 helped so much to envision how it could look if these characters would actually share the screen in the cinema.

[@tinkletopproductions]

I am so hopeful for the DCU and have a lot of faith in it. I think the idea of The Batman being in the DCU would be perfect and so great and a HUGE miss opportunity (and would still love if it could happen, I don't know how that would possibly happen though). But I still have really think the DCU Batman could work, and I'm very excited to see what the future of DC holds. Great video!

[@christiankurtbertumen9203]

My own DC Universe casting if DC's Superheroes were set in Pattinson's Universe: - Robert Pattinson as Batman. - David Corenswet as Superman. - Courtney Eaton as Wonder Woman. - Jace Norman as The Flash. - Glen Powell as Green Lantern. - Alexander Ludwig as Aquaman.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I disagree. Matt Reeve's The Batman is a grounded and self contained take like The Nolan Dark Knight trilogy. It was never meant to exist in a shared cinematic universe and forcing it would not have worked. That's why Matt Reeves was relieved when James Gunn confirmed the Batman won't be crossing over with James Gunn's DCEU. I would prefer a starting point where Batman is already established, and the main story is about him adopting Dick Grayson after witnessing the death of the flying Graysons. He tries to solve the murder. And he tries to teach Dick that he shouldn't let his anger and thirst for revenge consume. He should choose a better path. Dick chooses to bring the man to justice, and proves that he is worthy of the Robin mantle. This story not only tells you why Batman matters, but also opens up the door to a greater universe with the Teen Titans. It tells you there's more to come. I already have in mind what I would do for 4 Batman movies if I were making a cinematic universe.

[@b-sidecassette]

I feel like they could just keep batman out of the main universe until Robert and Matt want to join it. Make some subtle references to the Justice League in Batman, and vice versa, like how Daredevil made passing references to The Battle of New York. I feel like this would be the easiest choice.

[@nuyabuisness7526]

After seeing The Batman my decision on whether or not it ends up being a good movie is if they manage to build on its themes with character growth in later movies. Batman needs to go from Vengeance to force for order to symbol of hope for Gotham, and much of that has to be done with exposure to other people. The Bat Family teaches that there is more to life than the mission, and Superman teaches that there is reason to have hope.

[@VidoeGamesForEver]

The new DC cinematic Universe Ideas: Superman (Campy and Inspirational) Batman (Dark and Detective) Green Lantern (Sci-Fi and Space Adventure) Flash (Time Travel and Fast Paced) Martian Manhunter (Learning about the new world aka Earth) Teen Titans (Coming of Age) Stephanie Brown (Drama) Blue Beetle and Booster Gold (Buddy Cop Comedy Movie) Green Arrow (Maturity) The New gods TV series with Mister Miracle (Romance, Tragedy, and the Mythic) Justice League Dark (Fantasy and Horror) Finally, Batman Beyond with Dylan O’Brian as Terry Mcginis and Josh Keaton as old Bruce Wayne. Which also take place as the exact same universe when Josh Keaton was Batman. We need all of THIS in the New DC Cinematic Universe! Make it happen, James Gunn!

[@lucasacevedo8408]

I feel like it would definitely be possible. Let Matt Reeves finish out his trilogy and have Robert Pattinson's Batman appear in team-up films similar to what RDJ's Iron Man did for the MCU!

[@VidoeGamesForEver]

Give us a Live Action Superman TV show. From his origin to his end. Based on the full story of Superman Comics.

[@owengibby]

Thank you for someone actually thinking the batman should start the dcu becuase it's always the start I was always dreaming of

[@ElGrandMarc]

I don’t think it will, but what I fear most about the current situation is that the MattVerse gets canceled in 2025 for the sake of GunnVerse…

[@LPmotion]

I think that was what Gunn wanted, but Reeves was not confortable with that and he respected his decision cause he is trying to focus more on the film makers and what they want to do. I just secretly dream that it's all a big misdirect (like saying The Authority where in Superman Legacy so that the casting call for the other heroes would not leak) and the Pattinson will actually be the DCU Batman haha

[@darkfire7660]

I actually think it was a mutual agreement. Gunn is a huge fan of Damian Wayne and the established Batfamily which you can’t really do with Pattinson’s Batman.

[@SpinoSam]

@@darkfire7660 it was dumb to start with Damian tho. Why not start with the FIRST Robin at least?

[@darkfire7660]

@@SpinoSam 2 reasons: 1. If they started with Dick there’s no way they’d be able to get through the whole Batfamily. It would take at least 9 movies to get to Damian if they started with Dick and no actor would commit to that, especially considering the actor for Batman would have to do 4 live-action Justice League movies as well and possibly appear in projects like a Nightwing movie. RDJ and Chris Evans both did a trilogy and a few Avengers movies before leaving, the same will most likely be true of the new Batman actor. It was necessary to skip ahead to include all the Robins and get to tell stories like Under the Red Hood which wouldn’t be possible if you started with Dick. 2. Batman with Dick as Robin is still relative early in his career (year 5 possibly) and the Pattinson sequel will most likely be set around that time into Batman’s career as well. They need a slightly older Batman to differentiate between the two so they needed a Robin for when Batman was in his prime and they picked Damian.

[@LPmotion]

@@darkfire7660 oh true forgot Damian in that equation 😅

[@radrno7]

​@@darkfire7660 Don't need all that. 1 Batman movie with Dick Grayson as Robin, 1 Nightwing movie with Dick Grayson becoming Nightwing, 1 Batman movie with Jason Todd as Robin, 1 Red Hood movie with Jason Todd becoming Red Hood, 1 Batman movie with Tim Drake as Robin, 1 Red Robin movie with Tim Drake becoming Red Robin, and 1 Batman movie with Damian Wayne as Robin. Damian is supposed to be that late to show how long time has passed. How Bruce has gone through so much, with Dick Grayson being a success, Jason Todd being a failure, Tim Drake being hope restored and Damian being the final challenge as his own real son, that is so young and already so corrupted by his mother and grandfather's ideology. The new movie will literally have to go over all this in order to explain the Batfamily to the public that never even heard of any of these characters, which is way too much backstory and dark origins to put in a movie that aims to follow 'The Brave and The Bold'.

[@VidoeGamesForEver]

The comment section is full of great ideas from a lot of people! DC cinematic Universe has so much potential!

[@Comicbroe405]

The thing that could make this idea/theory seemless is that there's a huge chance that Superman already exists in the Reevesverse. A Superman costume during the Halloween part, a newspaper in the film & the Riddler comics show a lived in DCU already exists.

[@Comicbroe405]

@@alexx_Q True.

[@violetthunter]

1:44 "did not break me" 😭😭

[@williamx1343]

Exactly how I felt, man. This is my only problem with Gunn's new plan. I mean The Batman is grounded but also very comic accurate. Probably the most accurate batman portrail ever.

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

Forcing a stand alone overly realistic depiction of a superhero to kick off a shared universe? That sounds like _Man of Steel_ and the DCEU.

[@sup3414]

If Battinson's world was "grounded" he would've killed Penguin after flipping his car a billion times. Also, Bruce would've died after crashing and burning violently after his first flight.

[@kitgo596]

Bale's batman is the most grounded he feels like a guy I could go and see in chicago or new york tbh

[@LimitbreakerStudios]

James Gunn and Matt Reeves need to see this and work something out. ONE. DC. UNIVERSE.

[@enjoiskater245]

I'm here a year later, with the reports of WB wanting Reeves' Batman in the DCU and I still fully support this. I was listening to this one podcast disagreeing with Battinson joining the DCU saying the universe of Gotham doesn't fit within the DCU, and I think they're wrong, it can and they should. Your point exactly: The contrast of the DC characters is what adds to its appeal. The opposite spectrums of Justice, dark and light; Batman and Superman. Plus this Batman definitely feels like he would make contingency plans for each member of the Justice League.

[@NickWhite-fw7dx]

I don’t think they’ll ever crossover.

[@Maab134]

​​@@NickWhite-fw7dxTrue, This batman is clearly labelled as an elseworld that news is just a rumour and not true at all, both gunn and reeves has said that it's a seperate universe that reeves is creating which is a realistic or grounded universe that contains no fantastical element in it, gunn's DCU is basically the main universe comic book batman coming to live action, also Pattinson's batman has only trained with alfred to become a vigilante he has no history of training with several masters that main universe batman has which includes ras al ghul as what DCU Batman has who literally has a Damian, in no way it is possible that Pattinson's batman can be DCU Batman.

[@pianist150]

I will say that jumping straight to Damian in a new universe would make it easier to have a full batfamily. If they wanted to introduce everyone, or hell just the 4 robins, Babs, Cass and Steph over time, Batman would be picking up a new sidekick every movie and it would still take like 7 movies before everyone gets there.

[@levlarl1463]

HiTop Films, if you want to see how this COULD work, I suggest watching the DC pitches Super Frame made. Honestly, a combination of you and him would be just like a collaboration of Batman and Superman. You as Batman, what I suppose to be a broken, dark and depressed man with the will to keep going and Super Frame as Superman, a healthy, loveable, optimistic, passionate man with the vision.

[@theharbinger00]

I still wish Brandon Routh Superman met Christian Bale Batman. Maybe in a kingdom come HBO Max series they could make this happen and Batman had to come out of retirement when office Blake dies as a conspiracy from court of owls to bring Batman back to Gotham to take him out completely as a vendetta they had from the events of rise of the dark Knight maybe blaming Bruce for Banes revolution that was not calculated upon and some of the Owl families got taken out and they blame Wayne because he had the opportunity to take out the league from the beginning. I dont know how they'd bring Superman though, maybe Lex going into Gotham to endorse his move as president and the owls also see him as a threat so they sick metallo on lex only for Superman to fly in for the day. Now Superman and Batman have to work an the assassination attempt on lex but they bump heads on how to go about it meanwhile the owls had an agent in star labs trying to understand this mutagen substance that turned out to be the catalyst for Parasite and now that has been brought to gotham so Batman has to go after the court and talon while Superman takes on parasite 🤷 spitballing here

[@BenRandall-b2f]

I kinda like how there’s one Batman that does his own thing in a grounded world with Pattinson and then another more fantastical and comic-booky Batman that’s connected to the dcu

[@chubbysummers69]

Same that’s exactly what I want and I’m so glad that’s what Gunn has decided to go with. I just don’t see Pattinsons version fighting The Ventriloquist or weird villains like that and I want to see some of those lesser used weirdo Batman rogues. Also Pattinson is awesome and his movies good but I want to see a comic book Batman, we’ve never had one and I think the time is perfect.

[@arnoldperez8853]

It really shouldn’t. Tonality The Batman world doesn’t fit the vibes of the fantastical that characters like Superman, Green Lantern and the rest of the JL would bring

[@milkiassamuel780]

Funny enough even before Henry Cavill was supposedly brought back to play the role of Superman, I still fancasted David Corenswet as the Superman of the Reevesverse opposite to Robert Pattison Batman for the World's Finest team-up that could hypothetically happen. Now to finally see David Corenswet become Superman to lead an entirely new cinematic universe is nothing but a dream come true for me

[@righteousrawb7225]

Didn't you say you didn't like that WB casted the boy from Twilight when The Batman was first announced?

[@milkiassamuel780]

@@righteousrawb7225 No. When did I ever say that? I was always down for Pattison to play Batman and I knew hed do a superb job, which he clearly proved. You must have me confused for someone else

[@tinkletopproductions]

Same for me, it's fucking crazy man

[@VidoeGamesForEver]

Give us a Live Action Batman TV show. Based on the full story of Batman Comics. From his origin to him being a retired Old Man.

[@fredskull1618]

Two Batmen diversify DC's tone and style. Crossovers risk confusion, fatigue, and stifled creativity. Two universes, two timelines; it's double the pleasure for discerning fans and double the opportunity for DC. It's not a bat-problem, it's a bat-solution!

[@reannagordon]

So happy you see the vision too! It just makes sense to me. We’re basically having multiple Batman’s running around again. David Corenswet would be a great Superman for Pattinson’s Batman. Ying Yang, day and night.

[@Jaylobeans]

The Video Of Robert Pattinson Meeting Grant Gustin's Flash Was Absolutely Incredible, I Would Kinda Like To See Rob Interact With Other DC Superheroes, But I'm Glad Reeves Is Keeping This A Solo Universe kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6C1aWqdgd-SocU

[@L4anK.]

Typing Like This Gives Me AIDS

[@jacobharris954]

Wait, what

[@KingAtreides03]

Yh I saw that vid and I got goosebumps and almost cried ngl

[@rottensquid]

I don't see why it's a problem to have multiple versions of these characters running around. I'm an old comics fan. From where I sit, the best thing about them is their ability to reinvent themselves. I think the problem with The Batman isn't about it being "grounded," but more an issue of tone. The Batman, whatever its virtues, just isn't a movie you can take your kid to. And I think that's been missing from the DC films for too long. Batman and Superman should appeal to people under 15 as much as adults. And Reeves' version, much as we all loved it, is too moody, too serious. It's a powerful movie, but not a fun movie. And I feel like it's past time for Batman to be a little more fun. None of the live action Batman films have featured a fun Batman. And a Batman movie centered on Robin needs to feature a Batman that kids can dream of hanging out with. That's not Pattinson's Batman. He's kind of a bummer. The big reason I think James Gunn was the perfect choice to head the new DCU is because he knows how to make superhero movies fun. The Suicide Squad was arguably the darkest in a whole franchise of dark films, but it was also a blast. It's still the one DCEU film I can put on and have a great time with. He also knows how to balance the absurdity of a superhero world with the need for the rich character work of a live-action ensemble film. In tone, The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker had more in common with the DC Animated Universe than the previous DC films. It effortlessly introduced costume characters and ridiculous weird science without needing to explain any of it. It did this by not taking any of it too seriously, by playing the whole DCEU as almost a parody of superhero universes. And that's the trick of it. It's a mistake to sell superheroes with seriousness, just as it's a mistake to make them so silly that no one cares. Gunn found the same middle ground as the best comics, an absurd world with real emotional stakes. He found a tone that can work for a superhero universe, and can work with or without rated-R humor and violence. Reeves made a great film, but it's a film for adults. the new DCU really needs to be more inclusive, and more fun. The Batman can't work as a foundation for a new shared universe. It lives in a bubble of self-seriousness that would pop the minute you start introducing weird science and colorful costumes. And popping that bubble would leave Pattinson's grave, mournful Batman as the butt of the joke. We just have to trust James Gunn to hit another home run. I'm not that worried. The guy has a pretty good batting record.

[@xConsoleCapturex]

I like this take on the argument for integrating Battinson into the DCU. I think my problem with integrating the two is not that one is more "grounded" than the other, though, it's the difference in tones between the filmmakers which tends to cause issues once the franchises cross over with each other. If Reeves's Batman is a very gritty, dark character and Gunn's Superman is a goofy optimist, that's fine, but they should each stay that way when they meet each other. Unfortunately, this doesn't always happen when the characters cross over. Look at the characters in BvS and the same ones in Wheedon's Justice League vs the Snyder Cut. You can make the world that the characters live in as grounded or ungrounded as you want, but you have to make them tonally consistent in their demeanor. I'm terrified of the idea of James Gunn directing a movie with Battinson and turning him into something akin to one of the Guardians of the Galaxy.

[@uzii6540]

That’s why reeves and Gunn would have to work together.

[@VidoeGamesForEver]

Imagine a DC cinematic universe built by Bruce Timm and Paul Dini. The DC would of been a masterpiece! (and Dwayne Mcduffue if he was still here with us, R.I.P 🙏 could of been a iconic trio of a life time)

[@nanu421]

The reason I love your videos is the emotional weight they carry. The vast majority of video essays I am used to watch are very informative but they usually lack that factor. Eventhough I don't always agree with you, I am eager to discover your point of view and witness the same passion I possess