Hobie Pro Angler 12 360 /VS\ Hobie Pro Angler 12 Kickup Fin

[@HeadwatersKayak]

Thanks for watching. More info can be found on our site.headwatersadventure.com/product/2020-pro-angler-12-with-miragedrive-360/

[@cesarmedrano3344]

Oh Oh! Something tells me that I will start seeing a lot of PAs (older) for sale, and relatively cheap. Woooohoooo!!!

[@ArbitraryLifestyle]

Relatively cheap is relative :P Hobies aren't ever cheap in my experience.

[@XploreAz]

Haha! You said cheap.

[@wagnersantana_]

It's a dream to me get one like this. But here in Brazil it's very expensive... I hope to buy one like this yak. Great kayaks and great review.

[@cj_fishing]

0:47 what kayak stands are those? if anyone could help that’d be awesome.

[@wdh1068]

It is more maneuverable when you aren't actively fishing, sure, but don't you still have to have your hands available to back up and go forward? So, if i'm fishing, isn't that a disadvantage? I don't have pedals of any kind at the moment, but I wish I did. When I'm fishing, I often want to move forward and backward, but I can't - I need my paddle. I imagine that a Native pedal drive would win on that front. Or, perhaps I'm missing the point? Thanks.

[@HeadwatersKayak]

wdh1068 that sounds like a future video! Great question. The only honest way to answer is a side by side day of fishing! Love my job.

[@wdh1068]

Headwaters Kayak I’m happy to help! Where can I meet you? ;)

[@Buusfly]

@@HeadwatersKayak I will love it if you demo that question, im fishing the shoreline, an i just want to keep the position, when i hit a shoal off fish, an like wdh1068 says, it dosent seems to be possible with the new 360mirage drive.

[@Outwestwithchris1]

I like the look of those kick up fins.

[@timbarnett3898]

Dan, after watching this video an see this 360 unit (Looks complex) I thought of a 360 propulsion system using water pressure out of a simple round rotating pipe use peddles to flush water through pipe using left hand dial to turn unit around in 360. Water pressure like poor man's jet boat! Haha this could be much simpler! Thanks, Tim get back with me!

[@dannylee9209]

Really nice , make out the drawing, get a patent, I am the first to buy. But, not for $4800 !

[@timbarnett3898]

Didn't get one thumbs up, so I guess idea not any good!

[@Ken-dp2ix]

Dan, Thanks for getting back to me. Lightning fast reply.

[@daltoncope4739]

Love the kayak! But I would like to know more about that bright green PFD please!!

[@Gerz970]

why am i here my budget is about 1/3 of what these kayaks cost

[@SRTKOVA]

Go get a job a save money so u csn get if

[@williamtheturtle7576]

Nice work!! Love the videos keep up the awesome work.

[@kevinsandells9933]

Would like to own one of them but the wallet says nope.

[@tom9804]

Nice idea, but now both hands are busy steering (one for the drive azimuth, the other for the rudder). Just need to grow a third arm/hand to fish with.

[@HeadwatersKayak]

Watch again. You can do both with one hand. You gotta try it before you knock it. Works way easier than you think.

[@davidcrowson4745]

Cool stuff guys 😎 always enjoy your videos 👍

[@Ozzypup1]

Very cool. But my wife would be dropping me at the homeless shelter if I spent this much on a kayak.

[@me3851]

Would you get to keep the kayak? Trying to weigh the pros and cons.

[@reyrey2098]

What’s the negative effect?

[@az_pit_viper4270]

And the problem is? She sounds like a keeper, said no one ever...

[@xeroblastx]

Dude i just got one and im on a wing and a prayer… Fortunately i have other toys i can sell to make up for this purchase but im definitely washing dishes for a minute 🤣… Whats worse is i just sold a few guns to my old town salty… I clearly have a death wish

[@MikeKing710]

My next wishlist🤩

[@rubenrosas2434]

When the 360 drive one goes on sale as a demo I want it !!!!!! Lol

[@pitchkapizda8355]

Great review loved it 👍🏼

[@MooMooOutdoors]

😍😍 I can't wait to try it 😱😱

[@fysh1945]

Looks like a great kayak. For Dan to say it beats the Titan says a LOT. How well does the new Hobie drive do in thick weeds? It would be interesting to take the Hobie drive and Propel drive through the same thick weeds and see how they compare.

[@rschreck876]

How the eff didn’t you guys sell out of them already? Wish we were able to get shop demo’s.

[@johnfuente8447]

What type of pedals or trolling motor would be good for 2 feet of water? Could they be adjusted for depending the depth? Anyone knows?

[@mackb3164]

Dan - what would you pick? Hobie PA360, or Blue Sky 360 Pro with a Minn Kota w/ i-Pilot?

[@jeremyleonguerrero9492]

Headwaters kayak hey guys you think you can do a video on kayaks for kids. I wanna get my grand kids into kayaking but don’t know where to start. Thank You

[@frankverweij1]

Ok boys, how is hobie pro angler going to compete with the old town sportsman minn kota spot lock this year? Happy new year from the Netherlands

[@tonymoraitis1650]

Hobie PA 360, wins hands down ! 1 / it’s got heaps more storage, it got heaps more deck space, and way more fishable” 2/ it peddle power, human power, don’t have to keep checking on battery power. 3/ you can add a bow mount motor with spot lock if you need to. And add to that, you have your MD360 as well for back up ‘ with old town 120 you have nothing if you run out of battery, just paddles :( Sportsman 120 is a toy, a remote control boat, not a fishing kayak ! Hobie are the leaders and no 1 nothing comes close !

[@mouafishing2150]

Does the new kick up fins drive on the new (not the 360 model) 2020 PA have the 180 reverse?

[@michaelnicolaysen7391]

Do you not have independent control of the rudder and drive rotation? Seems like the boat would possibly behave in an undesirable way at times if they work on the same control.

[@HeadwatersKayak]

Michael Nicolaysen dame hand desperate controls. Should have got a closer shot. It’s pretty intuitive. Honestly I did 90% of my direction just with the flippers when I was playing in it.

[@kirkshammett94]

Wait so is there not a pull cord to go in reverse?

[@HeadwatersKayak]

Not on the 360; no need for it since the handle spins the drive a full 360 degrees.

[@nubfishin9152]

Really nice product. Its like cars. Wide price range. Folks argue with my about my SP10. Why get that when I could have gotten a sit on top for 400? Just use a paddle they say.

[@Jboyz0323]

Hmm how would it do in the ocean?

[@valentinia1]

Nope! Still love my 2020 Old Town Predator PDL.😘

[@LowellFrancisco]

My DREAM kayak!😃

[@ArbitraryLifestyle]

I hate the HUGE gap in the back of the seat on the PAs.

[@gladwinlineses582]

how's that in offshore fishing? do you have any vids?

[@enzo6804]

how’s it doing after a year tho? heard they’re very problematic

[@suhwateezea.214]

@Headwaters kayak. Hello I recently got a 2020 hobie outback and need to upgrade my life jacket. Could you recommend a good life vest most comfortable with the 2020 outback seat and still good for fishing?

[@HeadwatersKayak]

Jacobl Hammonds this is my favorite. store.headwaterskayak.com/shop/PFDs/p/NRS-Chinook-2019-x36912195.htm

[@suhwateezea.214]

@@HeadwatersKayak thank you so much for your quick response. I saw someone else recommend this one and I am definitely leaning towards it. A lot of people recommend inflatables but I can't trust em.

[@johnpuckett899]

Okay how did you get a green and white they were saying the only color she was going to be able to get it in for the first round was going to be blue and white

[@HeadwatersKayak]

John Puckett I’d like to claim I was special, but honestly they just announced a second color and we ordered it.

[@rshotty9039]

that wood duck is killing me

[@freakfiveoh]

Has Hobie mentioned offering the 360 on any other models in the future?

[@HeadwatersKayak]

My Car Life not to us yet.

[@TridentDriver]

I think the thought is that on a narrower yak you run the risk of flipping it when powering from the side.

[@mre4875]

So as long as the arrow points forward you have kick-up fins, but with the fins ability to rotate 360 degrees you snap off your fins if you lose focus on the directional arrow? It's late and I'm tired, maybe I missed something.😵 Hobie does make a sweet product but they have totally priced me out of contention. Great video though Dan, as usual. 👍

[@HeadwatersKayak]

Mr E whatever way the fins are facing is the direction of the Propulsion so chances are if you hit something you’ll be under way and they will kick up. Or if your worries just flip them against the hull same as before. $$ is high, but when you lead the way I guess you charge the most. You can buy a pretty rigged out titan with electronics and a motor for similar $$. To each is own.

[@mre4875]

@@HeadwatersKayak See, told you I was tired and may have missed something. A total "duh" moment. 😄 👍

[@davidsjelin1739]

Will they add this to the outback?

[@Kickthelighter]

There are rumors in 2021. No clue if its true or not

[@Chaucerfaux1]

This is a full odd ball of a statment here, i would be interested to see if hobie could make a tandem twin pedal drive sit ontop yak. i could only imagin how fast that thing could cut through water with two people using two independand fully functional pedal drives .

[@BigGuyIn_aLittleBoat]

Chaucer Faux they make one. A 17 tandem.

[@mistapikkles]

do you even need a rudder with that 360 drive?

[@waynemcphail7825]

Great video

[@bikerush1]

How's the warranty on the drive

[@pa1264]

Awesome video

[@ThePassad]

it can still not move backwards handsfree

[@wkdravenna]

What a great son. That looks like a nice yak also.

[@CrunkyOMan83]

I like the features, question is that pond connected to ar?

[@HeadwatersKayak]

DeezRMyDays nope off the Sac River.

[@CrunkyOMan83]

@@HeadwatersKayak is it private or public accessible?

[@HeadwatersKayak]

Public

[@xarrow81]

I like that vest!

[@carleck]

Totally out of the budget of most subscribers.

[@johngriffin5446]

so, should I buy a used center console boat or a kayak? lol

[@jerry-381]

Good job Dad!

[@adolfoarrieta5178]

Great kayaks but too expensive,

[@vagabond-yj8pn]

Hobie getting it done.

[@kehtal9715]

I think Dan nailed it. What it really comes down to for me is whether the MD360 is worth spending an extra $800 over the MD180, or $2000 over the cost of a Native Titan 12 or Slayer 12 Max. As far as I'm concerned, if you're already leaning towards the MD180 over a Native Propel boat, just drop the extra $800 on the MD360. You've either got enough money to do it, or you're disciplined enough to keep saving until you do. If you're not already leaning towards the PA12 with the MD180, my first thought would be "I can buy a lot of new gear with the $2000 I'm not spending on the boat".

[@kehtal9715]

No idea why I put Dave. Between this channel and Greg's I've seen enough of Dan's stuff to know better.

[@HeadwatersKayak]

🤣 no worries man. Yea if your looking at a regular PA this is a total no brainer. It’s worth every cent for the upgrade. If your looking at a native for $2500 then your talking about some serious cash to upgrade. And to be honest the titan is a close second when it comes to control. The Hobie does have other bells whistles and be idiots too though.

[@ArbitraryLifestyle]

Well shit, I didn't want the 360 cuz it's like $1,000 more and forward and reverse have been fine, but after seeing the maneuverability in detail...

[@HeadwatersKayak]

ArbitraryLifestyle let’s put it this way. I’ve never had someone come and demo both and go home with the non-360. But if you already have the regular one, you want me disappointed. If you love it you’ll always upgrade down the line

[@ArbitraryLifestyle]

@@HeadwatersKayak totally understand why. I have a '16 Outback that I love, but I will absolutely be upgrading in the next year or two.

[@EerieBetrayal]

it looks awesome but $7300AUD? what?

[@czwest7845]

Great video Thanks! How is the 360's tracking (did you try the scag) going straight compared to 180's tracking same worse or better ?

[@czwest7845]

@Paul T I know drive is different LOL! The movement of 360 if not perfectly straight will it effect tracking?

[@RoadLifePursuits]

Like you stated, it's not cheap and on top of that it looks like you have to use 2 hands to control it...so what am I going to do with my fishing rod if both of my hands on on the controls of the yak :) Great video showing what it can do, but I personally think it's more of a gimmick and a costly one at that.

[@HeadwatersKayak]

G Davis not sure how you got two hands. One hand control. Like I stated it’s one of the easiest kayaks to control that I’ve ever been in.

[@RoadLifePursuits]

@@HeadwatersKayak Your left had is on the 360 handle and your right is on the rudder or what ever that is....both hands ....I have watched a few videos on this and everyone seems to have 1 hand on each control....so....if both hands are busy... :)

[@HeadwatersKayak]

You have a rudder on each side so no need to use both hands if your fishing. The 360 control is over the rudder control and the rudder control has a necker knob. Should have got better footage. Not trying to argue the point here, just want to make the right info is getting out. No matter what kayak you choose wether it be native, Oldtown wilderness, Feelfree, etc you have at least one hand busy with direction. This boat just gives you more options.

[@RoadLifePursuits]

@@HeadwatersKayak No worries, People can make up their own minds and as you stated different footage maybe would help because if you go watch this again, you will see in almost every single instance you both have a hand on both sides :) People need to be aware I guess they can try to use one hand, but still...in this video and many others, no one is using one hand operation. Love the videos BTW...this is not about you, it's about the kayak...you guys always give great info.

[@1tcrjr]

Headwaters Kayak is it possible to flip the control to the right hand side? I am left handed so that’s the hand the rod is in

[@russellmoore1533]

Early adapters always pay for the privilege. Wait a year or two and it will come down in price. At the moment you pay for the development costs.

[@HeadwatersKayak]

Russell Moore doubt it. I’ve watched Hobie over the past 15 years and I’ve never seen them go down in price. Almost always they jump up in price the following year. Time will tell though.

[@russellmoore1533]

@@HeadwatersKayak The 360 looks great, but not at those prices!

[@jedibill111]

Here is Canada they are asking $6,115.00 before tax. So that is 6,115 x .15= 917.25 so 6,115 + 917.25 = 7,032.25 . Then the lowest PDF price is $139.00 x .15 = 20.85 So that's another $ 160.00 . Basically I would be looking at $ 7200.00 . For that money I could get a used 12 ft aluminum with trailer and a 15 horse motor. A fish finder, 2 life jackets then install a hitch on the car to tow it. It is one hell of a nice rig but she's not that nice at that price. Ouch.

[@newyaker3462]

People complain about price ....listen here this ain’t made for your average weekend warriors who fish on occasion...this is made for tournament fishermen...hands down the best kayak for tournament fishermen

[@rocky2841]

its a want versus a need on 360. there's no way you can tell me sideways will catch more fish.

[@Kickthelighter]

I just want it to keep myself offa pilings when chasing convicts

[@HVVYMETAL]

So, this stays the same, that stayed the same, this stays the same, this is the same, this is the same but... we changed the drive. Sooo.... we doubled the price. You're welcome 😊

[@reapersegura5492]

360 👍

[@morganghetti]

So they took and already complicated, and over engineered drive and made it more prone to failure. Nice.

[@HeadwatersKayak]

🐪

[@Chris-zm7wh]

But my still requires you to take tour hand away from fishing to go in reverse

[@youngchillman]

Ethan just sold me a hobie sorry Native!!

[@Jr23_]

for that price i will buy a boat instead

[@roberthoovan4130]

5 grand

[@eddie72bx99]

The prices are insane wait a year and the price drop about half just not worth buying new

[@XploreAz]

Haha when have you ever seen prices of a Hobie drop by anywhere near half?

[@aydenpainter6762]

Lower the price by $4000 and I will buy it

[@wthisahandlefor]

i feel bad for all the pro-angler 2019 owners

[@patrickcieslak7858]

5th generation kayak

[@ormonddude]

Dude you can buy a decent used Jetski for the $4600 these things cost

[@HeadwatersKayak]

True but then you’d have a used Jet Ski and that’s not the same thing.

[@Mbtharp1]

Yeah then you can pay for a new motor when it blows up 3 days later. Apples to oranges.

[@RickyD1968]

Cool boat but waaay to much $$$

[@TheMass33]

Bro just hook a brother up with a hobie!

[@Brian-vz7xe]

I have made up my mind, even an inflatable dinghy for coastal fishing is the cheapest safest and safest way to go. As long as it is not punctured you're all good. If it is a shark attack a kayak wouldn't survive it either. So cheaper, fit others on it to go fishing with you and won't roll over as easy. My middle finger towards these expensive kayak is slowly erecting itself every time I compare the two.

[@JMag1]

Too pricey and too heavy for my tastes. The drive is awesome and it's a great boat, but if I cant just solo load it and go, or easily flip it back over if it capsizes, then to me it defeats the purpose of owning a yak, which is affordability and portability.

[@BettySwollocks13]

£5000 English pounds........... nah!

[@perry1134]

6 grand in kayaks in one video xD

[@Kickthelighter]

The 360 is damn near that much by itself lol

[@STILLPHENOM]

Makes no sense they couldn't make those drives fit the existing models.. greedy fks!!

[@robertcarter385]

Where would the second handle be rigged to turn the drive? It would take wuite a bit of work to retrofit one to work, even if both the drives had the same footprint

[@pernamore1978]

These two cant and shouldnt be compared. Its big bank take little bank.

[@HeadwatersKayak]

Shouldn’t be compared? What the hell are you even saying?

[@pernamore1978]

@@HeadwatersKayak lol