Hoi4 Alt History: What if Trotsky BEAT Stalin?

[@thatdamnvoiceboy6995]

Time to ask again What if Franz Ferdinand wasn't assassinated and was able to implement his ideas? (Great war redux mod)

[@DanielHicks-hh4pg]

Good idea

[@The_whales]

If that did happen, the Hungarian half of the empire would like resist real hard

[@wargamesmaster]

@@The_whales Then a good compromise would be creating a third "crown" for the Slav population of the empire, which would probably include Croatia & the recently annexed Bosnia.

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

​@@wargamesmaster That was Franz's position IRL I think. The United States of Austria was created within his circle, but wasn't necessarily agreed upon in full by him.

[@lukacosmos-ri7rs]

Yes I need that like fish needs his water

[@proatplanes]

Stakuyi, It is your daily reminder to use shift when making field marshal lines.

[@WellDoTheRest1]

Indeed it is

[@themoocow7718]

What does that do? Seen the comment a lot.

[@Ian501st]

Enlighten me brother, what does it do?

[@R3ngad]

​@@themoocow7718 makes it so all of the general lines are combined into one instead of loads of little general ones

[@proatplanes]

@@Ian501st It merges all the small general sections into one, and this can help with supply and troops being sent to where they actually need to be

[@sylvananas7923]

Small fact, Trotsky wasn't present for Lenin's funeral, he was is Georgia and was sick at the time, Stalin had a false telegram sent to him so that he would miss the funeral on purpose as to make him look despisable for not being present

[@kennethmoses4900]

Stalin’s a mean girl

[@MicrowavedBurritosShadow]

@@kennethmoses4900 fr when his son tried to commit suicide and failed Stalin said “he can’t even shoot straight!” 💀

[@lars4357]

What if Sweden joined Finland in the Winter War and Continuation War?

[@RuralProgressive]

Or just what if Sweden took a less neutral stance in the war

[@AlvinYorkII]

Or just what if... Sweden? (Shows world conquest map of Sweden)

[@RuralProgressive]

@@AlvinYorkII yes

[@MoldycheeseJr]

@@AlvinYorkIIwait, it’s all Sweden?

[@AlvinYorkII]

@MoldycheeseJr always has been (gunshot)

[@MrKangaroo123]

What if British fears came true and the German Empire joined the second Boer war on the part of the Dutch boers? (may need to play vic 2 or 3 for this scenario)

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

Attempt 15: (Using the Great War Redux again) What if Italy honored the Triple Alliance and eventually joined the Central Powers when WWI comes around?

[@liladoodle]

I hate that you get snubbed every single vote.

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

There was actually a potential since Italy-France relations were fraied after the "Slap of Tunis".

[@billdavis2788]

This need to be put in the list.

[@n.r.4579]

I've got an unusual one. According to some historians, particularly Arif Dirlik, the Chinese left, before the Bolshevik Revolution, was primarily influenced by anarchism. Even Mao Zedong, Chen Jiongming, and Wang Jingwei were, at some early point, anarchists. This brings me to my question: what if the anarchists had remained the dominant socialist faction in China? I'm not saying "what if there was no KMT?", nor "What if there was no CPC?", just... what if the anarchists were the main socialist force in China, instead of the CPC? Anarchists vs KMT vs warlords vs imperialists.

[@Burnsie_07]

What if France went communist, leading to it joining the commintern, meaning that when France and Britain declared, the USSR joined early No Molotov-Ribbentrop pact in this timeline

[@teebob21]

Fun fact: Stalin loved Ribbentrop's huge hips, and found them hilarious.

[@JackJanuary]

@Burnsie_07 this

[@billdavis2788]

If France goes communist, there's be no alliance between UK & France. The question would be whether UK stays neutral or joins Germany at that point.

[@Sooper-Pumpkin]

Idea: What if Republican Spain (somehow) won the Spanish civil war and declared war on Germany at the start of operation Barbarossa

[@thenamesianna]

Maybe it's better if they declare war after Operation Torch

[@MrLabowski]

What if Steiner’s attack was carried out and successful?

[@FortuneZer0]

Couldnt have and a few hours... maybe... Much likelier that the western allies and the bolsheviks would start savaging each other once their fronts meet. But that would prerequisite that Japan was less in league with the germans.

[@Myuutsuu85]

The real question is: What if Steiner had the battle-ready troops to even consider making the attack.

[@Randinajon]

@@FortuneZer0But what if Steiner somehow resurrected Waffen-SS soldiers from the dead and successfully committed to his attack?

[@CodiceN7]

We could have lost a very successfull meme

[@Kydino]

​@@Randinajon But what if steiner discovered the black ops zombies magics on round 99

[@marcusdial311]

What if Mexico joined The Central Powers

[@croatiaball3038]

They're literally in a civil war 😭🙏

[@Ikon-0812]

​@@croatiaball3038Well easily get crush and likely lose probably some minor border

[@croatiaball3038]

​@@Ikon-0812I honestly think that they would probably lose Baja California and maybe the Rio Grande, then would become a satelite state for the USA

[@The_whales]

Mexico was no Ottoman Empire, Atleast in the sense it can Atleast hold off an invasion of an industrially superior nation

[@TheArklyte]

And HOW would it do so, eh? At least provide historical context as to where, when, how and why the split with reality happened and they did so. And no, Zimmerman Telegram is not a basis in history as it has no impact and nobody took it seriously, lol😅

[@dragonslayer-kd4lt]

Whenever gotterdam comes out do a historical explanation of the alt-history paths and how feasible they were.

[@MKmarkka841]

You should really consider using the "Player-Led Peace Conferences" mod. It would help you create more accurate post-war scenarios.

[@LordDraconassi]

What if the Allies had taken the idea of the German's attacking through the Ardennes seriously?

[@alexkudzin4980]

What if at the start of the Siberian intervention, Japan finds Alexei Romanov and makes him a puppet ruler of Siberia to justify their ongoing “intervention”? Yes Alexei Romanov is assassinated in July and the intervention starts in August, so either move the intervention forward a couple of months, or have the Czechoslovak Legion rescue Alexei and bring him to the Japanese. Either way, Japan should remain in Siberia after October 1922, with enough legitimacy so that America doesn't embargo Japan or force Japan's withdrawal, & Japan can pay for the “intervention” with Siberian gold/iron/gems/fur. Or, alternatively, one of his sisters, Grand Duchesses Olga, Tatiana, Maria, or Anastasia, survives and is married into the Japanese royal family giving Japan a claim over all of Russia.

[@bremnersghost948]

Trotsky instead of Stalin is arguably one of the biggest What Ifs ever.

[@mstrbritodstroy]

What if USA joined WW2 in 1939 instead of 1941?

[@TheArklyte]

Why not 1937? Say that KMT had a great lobbying effort in US, which brought more trade and specialists from US, which resulted in thousands of american casualties when ROC was attacked which resulted in demand to stop japanese aggression.

[@mstrbritodstroy]

@@TheArklyteoooo that’s also a good one

[@02091992able]

Trotsky managed to kill his assailant but ended up dying from the injuries the assassin caused.

[@22Boogles]

What if Finland captured St Petersburg?

[@tychostegink2265]

What is Oswald Mosley came to power in the UK? Something with gaining power before WW2 in the Labour Party

[@tychostegink2265]

@BubbaJ18 made it in the top liked comments🙌. Credits to BubbaJ18...

[@Guns_Blazin]

What if Poland did actually crown a king?

[@Peydonary]

Man, Ive been looking for a clear eyed, coherent history of the trotski-stalin conflict and never found one, until now. This was wonderful, thank you so much

[@OliverSkogly]

What if Norway created the Nordic council, and stood together with Sweden, Finland, and Denmark (Iceland) against the tyranny of both the fascists and the communists.

[@HolgerDabske]

What if the Austrian Painter was accepted to art school?

[@Nate-kc2wf]

We’d have a hell of a lot more Jews I can tell you that much

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

Probably the DAP/NSDAP would have become monarchist under Gore-ing with the German Empire returning and being more similar to Italy and Austria in administration and ideology respectively.

[@HMOUSE-g7z]

What if White Russia defeated the Soviets: 1919 Start date

[@eliasvsaa]

What if D-Day failed completely, or atleast wasn’t as succesful as it was in real life?

[@mrnorms]

What if the Moroccan Crisis started WW1?

[@tacomeister4130]

What if Gabby got to pick the scenario?

[@Swingerderp]

What if Japan actually beat china in 1938

[@CyberK4]

I'm wondering if Trotsky would get rid of Lavrentiy Beria. Almost nobody liked him within the Soviet Cabinet, and he was only kept around because Stalin saw him as a valuable tool of intimidation.

[@Mr_Godmode]

What if the Ottomans survived after WW1 (they still lost it but weren't beaten afterwards) (12)

[@TheArklyte]

Weirdly enough, in current HoI4 with all DLCs, Trotsky's path also includes focuses of Mexico and Spain. So technically game assumes that he got support from them. Maybe soviet forces were sent to Spain and there many officers and soldiers joined the cause before their return to USSR.

[@AddisonGreen-c5m]

What if carolis Rex wasn't shot in the head and won the great north war.

[@Mr.Korzack]

What if Turkey joined the Axis thinking this was their opportunity to re-make the Ottoman Empire?

[@FilipBurovski]

What if the British Raj(India) sought to break free from the Commonwealth's control during WW1?

[@andresdominguez4914]

What if the United Arab Republic was a success? (Egypt/Cold War mod)

[@liambeirowski4680]

Have you seen colonel calms 2 part series on tha4

[@calebshort2169]

What if hitler waited till 45 to start the war. And built his navy and Air Force up.

[@konsta2843]

What if UK decoloniced before ww2

[@tripwire3992]

We could focus more on our island and mainland europe so i'd imagine it'd be slightly better? Idk

[@antonyevans559]

@@tripwire3992im not so sure. Losing the overseas colonies couldve influenced the brittish will to fight as they would have nothing to fight for at that point. So after the french capitulation i could see the British suing for peace

[@johnpapp5945]

​@@tripwire3992 I think that will make the UK truly stand alone as they won't have their oversea lands to support them

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

​@@johnpapp5945 That and many resources to use, as Britain did make use of its colonies for resources and manpower at the time.

[@mappingshaman5280]

​@@tripwire3992no it would be terrible. Without the colonies Italy has free reign in Africa and the Middle east so they can easily take the suez and the oil fields. Germany having oil fixes the main axis problem, probably leading to stalingrad falling and consequently the caucasus. The fall of the caucasus takes the Baku oil fields away from the soviets and gives them to Germany. Oil becomes a problem for the soviets whilst being fine for the axis. Also japan would do better because they don't have to fight in Burma and the Chinese aren't supplied by the British. Furthermore without the africa campaign, the allies can't land in Italy which frees up german and Italian forces for both barbarossa and the Atlantic Wall. By giving up the colonies, Britain essentially enables the axis to be the indomitable empire Britain was in otl.

[@sircramthel8664]

What if Czechoslovakia refused to cede the Sudetenlands, causing the more minor European powers to form an alliance against the Germans?

[@ItsYaBoi418]

2:49 it was an ice pick, not a pickaxe

[@blackjed]

Ooh.... Still crazy though. Pointy metal thing being jammed into you over and over and over

[@williamshortfilm5818]

Please do the Republican Spain in the allies scenario now

[@JustinRaify]

Very informative, I love the pov and the general theorycrafting.

[@Misky447]

What if Oswald Mosely came to power

[@casualsilver2702]

what if the Allies hadn't supported the Soviet Union against the Germans?

[@semajniomet981]

`37:55 What if the entire world had declared war on Germany in 1937? (AKA Apocalypse 1937 mod)

[@Chasedkitten40]

What if India revolted against the British in the First World War and got its independence?

[@MoroccanCaliphate]

Ok, heres a crazy suggestion, What if himmler made peace with the allies? In our timeline he tried to surrender to the allies hoping he wouldnt be executed, to make it more interesting, what if he attempted to coup hitler maybe some time after Dday, and attempt to make peace on a common enemy in the soviet union.

[@thegrimreaper7875]

Ironic how he did it during October. (That’s when the red revolution started)

[@terranboot9405]

What if the allies never cracked the enigma

[@Globaglub]

What if Lithuania accepted Piłsudski's idea of creating a federal republic along with Poland?

[@ciomuda2406]

What if the Cossack states formed Cossackia and stayed independent or were just ignored by the Soviets and White movmeents

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

Weak chances. The Kuban People's republic was north of the Caucasus region, which had oil. No way the reds ignore that, sadly.

[@jakeferreira1211]

This would be pretty out there, but what if the Nazi's made the same type of offer to Mexico that they did in WW1 with the Zimmermann Telegram and they actually accepted? I could see a few ways that could happen. The most likely is that early on, or even prior to the war actually beginning, Germany offers financial support and military aid in order to help Mexico recover from the rebellions in the late 20s (and maybe take parts of the southwest United States). In exchange, Mexico would agree to sign the Tripartite Pact. Mexico was pretty firmly anti fascism and definitely were anti Nazi, but so were the Soviets. They still signed their non aggression pact. Yes, this might bring the US into the war sooner, but if Japan still attacks Pearl Harbor and Mexico invades from the south, American involvement in Europe is going to slow down significantly. There's a real possibility in that scenario that Germany just wins in Europe. Without American help the Soviets would eventually run out of supplies, and the western front would be pretty much a stalemate. The UK probably couldn't launch much of D Day style invasion without America, and there wouldn't be an invasion of Italy either. Germany could have focused most of its energy on the Soviets. And as effective as the Soviets were in real life, I don't think they could have done it against the full might of the German Military and with significantly less supplies from America.

[@braydentoth8442]

Seen the pickaxe btw, it’s at the International Spy Museum in DC alongside the glasses the murderer was wearing and the medal he received when he made it back to the USSR. Pretty neat stuff

[@dracosis802]

Its always a good day when Stakuyi plays. Im planning on getting into CB- I mean Hoi4 myself.

[@Spider-Angel101]

What if Sweden won the Great Northern War (Empire Mod)

[@TheOriginalThatGuy-001]

I know this is late but, there is another mod called "Rise of Nations" And goes from the early 1900s to modern day (Although after ww2 most focuses dont exist) so you could use this for other things that take place during the interwar period or something, hope this helps :)

[@trollman1296]

This video has the possibility of a part 2 under the idea of the Western allies being suspicious/weary of Soviet expansion earlier in our time or Leon Trotsky wanting to spread the Revolution to liberate the working class from the Capitalist.

[@MorkiMoo]

Video 3 of asking for what would happen if the British lost the Malayan Emergency in Cold War: Iron Curtain

[@Lord_Jamilson]

What if China had to fight Japan alone? Essentially, what if Japan ignored the American embargo and didn't go to war against the USA, focusing on China and other European colonies in Asia instead and with China's only external help being lend-lease and volunteers.

[@TheOrderofTheBoanerges]

I think its an incredible optimistic. I think the biggest problem is Trotsky ever getting power. so many things had to go right.

[@chaspenn1079]

I had 3 thoughts: 1. What if the UK had actively prepared for the defense of Malaya, Singapore, and the Far East against Japan? 2. What if the UK and France had coordinated a unified defense of France, in 1940? 3. What if Ireland joined the Allies?

[@carsonwentworth2798]

Here is a fun Soviet Union idea: after the death of Stalin what would happen is Field Marshal Zuhkov took control?

[@duffvad3r]

Good video. The only thing I’d say is Germany would have been less likely to demand Memel if it was held by the Soviet Union

[@teebob21]

As someone who just last night read a biography of Stalin....there is no way that this would have happened. Stalin had been forming his apparatchik for years, even before being begrudgingly made General Secretary by the Leninists.

[@Spanishinquisition98]

What if Sir Oswald Mosley came to power in the UK? either prior to WW2 while with labour (not sure how youd replicate that though) or As is in the game at the moment

[@eliasvsaa]

What if Stalin stayed in power but didn’t fuck things up as much as he did? I.e. listening to people like Tukhachevsky, building a more sustainable economy, actually succeeding in Finland (most likely leading the Germans to postpone operation Barbarossa) and so on.

[@8-bitstream379]

What if everything just kept going great for stalin then?

[@eliasvsaa]

@@8-bitstream379 Didn’t fuck up, instantly dies of a stroke

[@8-bitstream379]

@eliasvsaa I mean he did the five year plans and won ww2 he didn't fuck up THAT much I don't think.

[@RafaelAhlert]

​@@8-bitstream379he killed like 80% of his competent generals which isnt so great for the army

[@8-bitstream379]

@RafaelAhlert is there a list of his competent generals that I didn't see? Do you have a source that says he killed 80% of the people on that list himself and he decided himself who he wanted to kill? The closest thing that actually happened correlating to that statistic you brought up was that 3 out of 5 field marshalls of the soviet union were purged, but incidentally they had evidence corresponding to them being in touch with trotsky.

[@ethos5]

What if the Business Plot in the US succeeded?

[@shorts332nd]

What would happen if the Nazis developed the nuke in late 1945 right before they fell in our time line, what would Hitler actually do with that power.

[@Nate-kc2wf]

They had no air power left at that point

[@lucabuchwald9744]

What if Stalin started doing the opposite of what he did? Like, yes he still is a dictator who purges people almost randomly but he starts doing things diferent.

[@thatoneguyiii1003]

Alt just idea: what if the Suez was demilitarized like the Bosporus was? Alternative: what if it was put under international mandate? (This might need to be a WW1 scenario)

[@Nate-kc2wf]

International mandate just meant British and French

[@jshadowhunter]

"Murdered with a pick axe." Ice pick.

[@glauberglousger956]

I think in the future, the Rise of Nations mod would have the right timelines

[@ferind-z2k]

What if Britain truly stood alone?

[@trooperofman727]

Restore the japanese empire in the modern day mod

[@bob-u3h7s]

Could you do what if the soviets took over all of Europe after ww2?

[@bob-u3h7s]

Pls like I want this

[@cameronmckirdy4874]

failed d day is fascinating

[@22Boogles]

What if Hannibal captured Rome?

[@daniellovestortoises3044]

Stakuyi playing Imperator rome that would be a treat

[@Penguin-Red]

Yooo, you fixed the VSync issue, lets gooo

[@tacomeister4130]

What if the UK truly stood alone

[@dogpound8662]

Please make a part 2 world conquest

[@palehunter6711]

If you ever do Oswald mosley getting in power in the UK you should use road to 56 as its extra options make the story telling more realistic

[@stephenc4790]

You should do a brief tutorial. Nothing major, maybe a brief ranking of the countries to start with for new players and maybe a few initial things to do?

[@rogueemerald]

What if the anhui clique unified china?

[@iannobes4369]

What i would like to know, and if possible with a mod. Is if Australia can be independent of England and then rule the area Japan wanted to

[@TheArklyte]

Idk what nonsense you're talking about in 10:20 - 10:40. Stalin was overexporting grain, de facto starving soviet workers, to try and exploit Great Depression to get newest military tech specifically. By the start of WWII USSR had almost 20k tanks alone. "Not focused on the military" my rear end!😅

[@Chance-tv2jn]

What if Italy never sided with Germany or the United Kingdom. Acted like Spain Sort of.

[@psychoskink]

Take another cracked at it: what if King Edward never Abdicated the throne

[@BullMooseSpirit]

What if Austria won the Brothers War? using End of a New Beginning (Either version)

[@Tom-jg9de]

From the begining i was asking for this and now mine day finaly come

[@raddaidenquetz5359]

What if the Ottoman Empire was actually able to protect its Balkan territories and was neutral during the Great War? I know it is not an interesting content and possibly impossible to make a HOI4 video about it. I sometimes unintentionally think alternate Late Ottoman History scenarios and would be pleased to hear your ideas. Let's say since "The Disaster" of losing the Balkans didn't happen in that scenario, there wouldn't be as much military reforms as our timeline. Also one of the reasons why Ottomans joined the conflict was to recover at least some of the territories they lost in previous years. However in this alternate timeline they only lost Libya and maybe they thought going to war for a landmass that they cannot reach neither by land nor sea was stupid so they wouldn't. Maybe the opposition in the İTF was more powerful and was able to overthrow the Three Pashas and somehow convince Russia to not declare war. The UK and France didn't want to fight on another front so they would pressure Russia to white peace with the Ottomans. Or maybe they failed and Russia declared war but this time Ottomans would take more of a defensive position at the Caucasus and possibly hold against the Russian army. The UK and France would launch the Gallipoli campaign but they still probabily lose and try to negotiate peace with the Ottomans. This would give the empire precious time to recover and focus on its internal affairs. Maybe this will allow them to be a player in the WW2. not a major one but still. Maybe they would be a key player against Italy in the Balkans and eastern Mediterranean. Maybe they would negotiate with the UK about Libya and Dodecanese for their entry to war on their side, most likely some time after the invasion of the Soviet Union.

[@zombspideyspecial]

its criminal that there isnt an interwar period mod for hearts of iron, nor is there any mod that attempts an alternate interwar or any type of simulation of it. Theres so much you can do with it but

[@FromRussiaWithLuv007]

36:50 I have a feeling you might enjoy the new game Espiocracy when it comes out

[@thunderball1398]

Can you play the fire rises mod as either the kkk or as the Atomwaffen Division ?

[@TheMaverick166]

I thought it was an ice pick, not a pickaxe. The two things are similar, but definitely not the same.

[@andyfriederichsen]

What if World War II was a four-way war? Empire of Japan VS the European Axis (NatSoc Germany, Fascist Italy, Croatia, Romania, Finland, etc.) VS the Commintern (Soviet Union, Tuva, Mongolia, communist movements/rebellions, etc.) VS the Allies (Britain, France, Poland, Republic of China, Canada, USA, etc.). By the way, it wasn't an icepick that Trotsky was assassinated with. It was an icepick.

[@mattb54]

Alternative history idea: What if Stakyui played Victoria 3 instead of HOI 4??

[@Lady_Amelia-Eloise]

What if the Wehrmacht officers coup’d the mustache man in 1936 in order to restore the Kaiser

[@DatDutchDudeDirk]

What if the Dutch managed (somehow) to hold out when the germans invaded in 1940?

[@zhenarplay456]

What if the Kaiser remaind in power in Germany after WW1

[@Dooga_Aviation]

What if Steiner's attack succeeded

[@connortaylor8609]

Did you try looking at the Rise of Nations Mod? It’s got start dates from 1900-2024, I’m sure something would’ve worked.