HOI4 Naval Guide: How to Counter Submarines (Hearts of Iron 4 Man the Guns Navy Guide)

todays hoi4 man the guns guide is covering submarines. or more specificly all the ways to counter submarines in hearts of iron 4 man the guns. hopefully this brings some insight in the correct way to counter them sense they are soo powerful in hoi4 right now. this hearts of iron 4 man the guns naval guide will show you everything you need to know to counter submarine 3s and all subs in hoi4
🙂To See My Story and Support Me Check me Out on Patreon
/ dustinl796
Check out more amazing videos here 👉 goo.gl/Nz9vKs
Social links to stay up to date on new videos😀
►👊Twitter / topgunguy123
►Instagram bit.ly/1Rx03LM
►Discord / discord

[@darthnihilus1572]

I know this inst supposed to be a "easy" game but they could at least give us a "guide" to know how every stat work and all those stuff and not wait until someone go into game code. Also good to know the radar reseach give that pasive submarine detection bonus, i just used to get a wide area for air. also, is better to make small task force of dd+cl to scout/defend comboys? i really hate that part when you have to invade uk or US, those guys just raid all my german comboys lol.

[@premiumbutterr4964]

TBH I don't know why people were having a bad time with subs 3 I though that it was pretty obvious just get better destroyers with depth charges, get max convoy sailing doctrine and the decryption and encryption

[@dustinl796]

Will a big problem a lot of people were having that they didn't realize was the range as well

[@nebojsag.5871]

@@shurBBruhs I'm betting they didn't realize the task force thing.

[@jonathangivre3545]

Yeah but sub 3 with schnorkel is really undetectable

[@dustinl796]

That w

[@Dynioglowy1986]

why you need decryption and encryption to fight subs ?? Please explain

[@Nick-yj8nj]

The thing is the number of techs you have to research. So if you prioritize ASW, than you loose in something else. Meanwhile your opponent only has to research sub 4 and adwanced schnorhel to finaly balanse things up. I suppose ASW is made to be complicated and annoying. Its too easy to get rid of subs 2. Its harder to fence subs 3. And you ought to have escort carriers, ASW cruisers, latest radars and all corresponding doctrines to tackle subs 4 by par.

[@arrow_of_longing]

Sounds pretty damn historical.

[@controlvoice7045]

@@arrow_of_longing Indeed it is. I read a research paper someone wrote where the analyzed the dollar cost the Germans put into their U-boat effort vs. the dollar cost the Allies spent to counter it. For $1 the Germans spent the Allies had to spend approximately $5 to counter them. Even though U-boats weren't going to win the war for the Axis on their own they were a very efficient way to force their enemy to spend a disproportionate amount of money and resources.

[@freddekl1102]

@@controlvoice7045 Do you have a trace of this research maybe? Because I think I've heard similar claims a couple of times I also would like to add that indeed late war submarines were literally overpowered irl(Type XXI- too fast to catch, too quiet and with schnorkel they could stay underwater all the time).

[@controlvoice7045]

@@freddekl1102 I wish I had the link but the I read the paper years ago. On the Paradox history sub forums there was a discussion about U-boat warfare and someone linked to a research paper that studied the effectiveness of commerce raiding. At one point I probably had the paper bookmarked but that was 2 or 3 computers ago. Sorry.

[@robertalaverdov8147]

How to counter Submarines? Build your own Submarines! Let the best Unterseeboot win the Unterseekrieg!

[@dustinl796]

And then get confused when the Allies kick you from the game because you lost 7,000 us convoys and took out 30 German ones LOL

[@SGTcz90cz]

I dunno, man, the 688-class and Mk48 torpedo are a few decades of waiting away at that point.

[@robertalaverdov8147]

​@@dustinl796 Here is the crazy part about how OP subs are. When set to convoy escort they keep enemy subs at bay. You see if ships can't fight an opponent they retreat. And being that subs can't hit other subs unless they have radar, then they will always retreat from battle before it starts. Granted you might set the subs to always battle but even then I've seen it glitch out where subs are in a month's long battle without any actual casualties.

[@arturbaluyev2873]

Thank you for your highly detailed tuturials!

[@dustinl796]

You're welcome :-)

[@Soviettiger84]

I have been learning the naval warfare little by little after man the guns came out. I'm a soviet player and as you know, the soviets aren't specially naval competent in his game. Nevertheless, I discovered the utility of subs, and because I always try to be powerful enough to avoid Barbarossa in 1941/42, I usually enter the war in 1944, when the Allies and the Axis are in kind of a stalemate. Because of this, I've seen the Italian, Japanese and French Navy fight the English and American ones all over the world, as I eliminate each of the great powers one by one in Eurasia. Then, I spam all kinds of subs (3s and 4s, as the Soviets don't lack chromeum). But my problem in late game when I whipped out everyone in the continent, is the huge amount of planes Americans and British have. I've got to research jet fighters to counter the air superiority of the angloamericans, but it takes time and sometimes is a pain in the ass because of the quantity of Tungsten and time you need to make them, and to achieve air superiority in numbers high enough to assure invasions in both the US and Britain. Is there some kind of a low cost "airplane killer fleet" wich is competent enough to decimate or even contain the air forces guarding the British islands and North America? This could help German and Soviet players equally, to finally conquer the Allies a little bit faster, not by the 1950s. Thanks for your work!

[@doktork3406]

you can get AA cruisers with one floatplane and max radar amazing against aircraft... 1-2 of these in a big ish fleet is great also get your DDs to have dual purpose guns this way aircraft can't touch your planes you can also get carrier with aircraft regarding the ground forces....get as many tier 2-3 planes...don't bother with jets the AI goes for tier 1-2 planes 99% ....your tier 2-3 planes will be superior

[@Soviettiger84]

Doktor Kranium Now, this is what I'm talking about. Inland I have no issues, I've got tons of fighters but I've seen the ai concentrate it's efforts, sometimes in northern France, sometimes in west Germany, even sometimes in Kuban region or central Russia, and bc the game doesn't notify you where you where nuked, if you are not concentrated near the nuke attack, you just get your war support to zero all of a sudden. Anyway, my biggest issue are aircraft at the sea, because of the huge number of British and American planes guarding the English Channel and the other areas near the British Islands, that sometimes decimates my subs and, consequently, my naval superiority to invade Britain. I will try this AA cruisers you mention. Thanks!

[@KillzoneDarkSider]

Thanks a lot! These kind of videos helps way more than normal country guides as they provide specific information for specific things instead of a general guideline that cannot suit every single case. Great work! Another topic i struggle a lot with, is managing and regaining islands or small isolated chunk of territories as a major naval country (like usa.. japan... uk).. That might be an idea for a next video.. keep up the good work!

[@dustinl796]

Glad to help 😁

[@triskilion1771]

If you want to take an island, I'd build a 40 combat width marine template, supplemented with air support from a carrier and/or shore bombardment from your battleships. This will usually always work, but if you somehow still can't grab the island, I would build an airbase on a nearby island or piece of land to launch strategic bombers to nuke the island as you invade. The enemy will have no defense against a nuke (assuming you have air superiority).

[@triskilion1771]

Hey! Great video as always. I just wanted to point out a way that you can easily get your destroyers to get through the Denmark Strait. If you are in a multiplayer game, you can ask the Britain player to do the decision “Operation Fork,” which makes them declare war on Iceland. If Britain can occupy Iceland, the fact that they own a port there will increase your naval range on all ships, as I’m sure you know. Thanks for all your helpful vids! Keep up the good work.

[@dustinl796]

I've personally in a multiplayer game invaded Iceland before as the United States and for some reason it didn't increase my range and still had issues in the Denmark Strait

[@triskilion1771]

@@dustinl796 Ah! My apologies. I thought that would work! That's a pity.

[@MrNicoJac]

I once ran an experiment in a single player campaign. For screens, you don't need extra range as the USA (as long as you don't lose Hawaii). You cannot decrease it either though! So actually, the best designer for USA screens and subs is Electronic (which increases max speed). The improved speed makes it easier to catch subs, and dodge rounds from cruisers etc. For USA capitals ships, the decreased range for cheaper production is best (since Electronic Designed destroyers will still have less range than Coastal Designed capitals.... so the capital's range doesn't matter) [All of that was based on maxing out your lv 3 destroyers' range through XP though]

[@dustinl796]

The range issue is mostly because of the Denmark Strait and the Mid-Atlantic areas. If you don't have a range bonus Destroyer fours in the only things that can reach the Denmark Strait from as far north as New York and even other ports in New England, that's the reason you need the range bonus. You could also in theory I guess completely shut off the entire Atlantic to get around the range problem and just go through the Pacific but then you have to worry about Japan Conway rating and then they have to go around Africa and then go north past West Africa and then France finally to the UK which will require huge amounts of Conway escorts through a very far area

[@MrNicoJac]

Well, if you join the Allies and England doesn't fall, all the bases on/in the Atlantic cover enough range. I usually have my convoys go from the Caribbean to Africa, then north past Spain. Basically you use the ports in the Caribbean, French Africa, and Gibraltar to bridge the pond. But what works in SP can get you annihilated in MP, so........ XD

[@theycallmecoconutjones7175]

Wouldn't using the cheapest destroyer be better for convoy escorting sense you can pump them out faster due to the smaller production? or is there some sort of detection stat that im not seeing?

[@stanleyrosella1712]

Late to the party but think your tips and guides are very good. Howver I got a concern playing as US. You indicate that Newport News should be good to get max range incresaed on DDs, but in another tip you indicated that getting the Norfolkd Naval Yard bonus on a DD then switching to a Newport after that. This will give the DD a -50% max range (Norfolk do this as I can see). A bit having the cake and eating it. Or is it based on two different genreal ideas. If I'm concern for subs I should stick on Newport and not getting the huge minusprocent on production cost. Claerly one can't do both tips you got here. Or am I missing something ?

[@johncalabro2982]

Do you think you will ever do a video on short cut buttons? Also I have problems with the army changing orders or splitting orders for some. I end up deleting old order for the whole unit or assigning units to a new general

[@dustinl796]

I might do a video on it soon

[@wesluther92]

Dustin can you make a "How to effectively convoy raid with submarines" video? I can't find any good videos covering their recent buffs.

[@dustinl796]

Ill try 😁

[@wesluther92]

@@dustinl796 Subbed!

[@pojuaurelius4077]

Thank you master

[@dustinl796]

😁

[@illiafilatov5521]

Omg Dustin, i just googled how to sink subs... Literally just started started typing this question in searching bar...ARE YOU SPYING ON ME?

[@dustinl796]

(Receives text message) no

[@empydoodle]

Just to check, am I setting the TF to Convoy Escort to specifically kill subs / raiders, or will a patrol / strike force combo do the trick as well?

[@dustinl796]

To take out subs convoy escort

[@iwan-dimitrybalko3353]

Just station a cannon on an island and hunt down the submarines.

[@dustinl796]

Lol

[@fulcrum2951]

Lol

[@robertkalinic335]

Will you get better detection for more ships with good detection or do you need just one specialized in group to get stats high?

[@dustinl796]

Just 1 group works well if its together with another group

[@robertkalinic335]

@@dustinl796 So i need just one specialized anti sub group per sector and every other group without good detection will start killing subs too?

[@skinnyvid]

How do you organize the task forces per sea zones and missions? In a USA MP game I used 2CL/10ASWDD with radars and planes, 6 task forces on convoy escort for 6 sea zones across the Atlantic, I still had low mission efficiency (despite having tech and doctrine). I even lost convoys on my shores (which had lvl5 radar). Some task forces had an additional carrier. What did I do wrong? Should I separate the DDs and CLs or organize them in smaller TFs? Or should I send CLs on patrol and DDs on escort?

[@dustinl796]

Sounds like its a mix of range and not enough escorts.each group of convoys require a certain ammount of escorts. Also could be range of older ships pulling it down for better ships

[@daniellison9182]

BTW can you do a tutorial about mines if you haven't done already?

[@dustinl796]

I probably will soon 😁

[@unbeatablesniper16]

HOLY SHIT you can choose where the convoys go now? I need this dlc :)

[@cham3leon5]

I really hope that this tips work...I lost my 300 ships today as UK against 40 German sub 3s and he only lost 2 subs in the end

[@Nooneeee304]

I heard that naval bombers attack with torpedoes and cas&tactical bombers attack with bombs. Which one is more effective on CAS? I build tactical for germany because it has more range but will it still effective against real players?

[@jonsouth1545]

subs are easy to counter especially as the UK as you have the Hermes class cruiser hull carrier that costs 5000 points as the UK I have 20 of the by 1939 put a couple of 1936 DDs with the 2nd level Sonar (1936) tech and you can wipe out thousands of subs without even losing a single ship

[@jonsouth1545]

You don't even need 1936 DDs the 1922 Hull will do you research active sonar refit the V&W Class DDs to have it so in a year you can have 150+dds with max sonar then put them in groups say 1 Hermes Class CV an 8 DDs (you can add a refitted (1922) light cruiser maybe even one of the crappy legacy (1922) Heavy cruisers if you want as not much else for them to do, per task force with 10 task forces under the Admiral do this twice have them patrol the Atlantic and the Indian Ocean route your convoys to avoid the Med and the English Channel and then sit back and enjoy the show 1936 tech minimum investment and will keep your sea lanes clear of subs and anything less than a major fleet as Cruisers lone battleships etc will be handled by the Hermes classes Air wing then put your main ships into task groups set to strike if the enemy is seen just incase they try a breakout and boom complete Global naval superiority for almost no operational cost you are basically recreating the strategy the USN and RN eventually came up with in 1943 but not having the pain to go though first

[@pzg_kami6472]

Is it really necessary to upgrade DDs hull? cause I thought even using old DD hulls but installing advanced equipments on them should be enough for ASW ?! I usually save the modern hulls to fight surface fleets

[@dustinl796]

You can however with the bonuses usually the newer ships have slightly better stats which will stack up better

[@pzg_kami6472]

@@dustinl796 of course I would've preferred new ships if it wasn't for the massive increase in production cost :p I generally have problem with post MTG naval production costs ! they're way to high imo

[@No-nj3oq]

Cant you do the Norfolk coastal defense for 25% production cost, then immediately swap to something practical like the pacific fleet designer to get both range bonuses and production bonus?

[@murderouskitten2577]

No , the bonuss aplies on the finishing of the research ! So , if you have designer A , and you switch it to designer B in the midle of research , the new tech gets the designers B bonuss !

[@pinjani10]

The way it works is you pick a designer and research the tech (in this case ship hulls), that bonus sticks to it iirc. Think about it this way, you hired X company to design a ship, once their done and you switch designers they still designed that ship and get those bonuses.

[@dustinl796]

There's a trick you can do that I like to use very often where you can sort of do both in a way, I will get the Pacific Fleet designer and get destroyers and then use 150 political power to swap it over after it's finished researching to the coastal defense and then research Cruisers with it. You can't get two designers for one ship though

[@gabe75001]

Is there a conversation rate between sub visibility and sub detection?

[@dustinl796]

Not that I am aware of

[@gildedphoenix]

Only in subs if you decide between snorkels or radar.

[@bIuebuIIet]

Wait, can you not add sonar to a converted cruiser hull as well?

[@dustinl796]

Unfortunately no, they can only be assigned to Destroyers and regular Cruisers

[@bIuebuIIet]

@@dustinl796 i immediately got on to check and you're right. Vanilla Converts cant have sonar. I use the Naval Rework II mod for more realistic ship building, thats where i got confused.

[@lego_uncle8691]

oh baby!!!!!

[@dustinl796]

😉

[@jigsaw2642]

Now first of the game may have been bugged. None of us had ever seen anything like that. Germany was only allowed sub 2s. Sounds sy. Normally u can just put ur normal fleet on convoi escort and ur fine. He sank 50k convois. It showed a 100% escort effiecency but they were still sinking left and right. I had 60 anti sub ships consisting of destroyer 3s and light cruiser 3s upgraded to counter subs. They killed like 2. At one point the subs killed 3 battleships eventough I had a 100% screening efficiency. Any ideas what went wrong? Encryption/decryption was 1 lvl above theirs and radar was also on a good lvl.

[@dustinl796]

Yeah, they're incredibly powerful. As of right now the only ways to really beat them is have fast ships, good range, and very good detection. Also helps to have those tactical bombers in the distance in Tiny are wings like I showed

[@jigsaw2642]

@@dustinl796 Yeah welltry taking the azores to get a naval base. In that particular game it wasnt allowed. We allowed it now. The thing is that I maxed out engines on the anti sub ship. They were twice as fast as the subs. So we tested if subs 1s r ok. And while much better the rate at which they kill convois compared to how many subs die is still insane. Heres a very crappy recording of mine showcasing some naval combat. I even cheated in all naval doctrines for me to see if theyd sink left and right kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnLTgmR7mquWoNE. I picked the designer u recommended. Destroyers had active sonar and 3 slots of lvl 3 depht charges, cruisers had active sonar and 3 catapults. The problem I noticed during my testing is that subs fire while retreating. Me not being able to kill them would be fine by me if my escorts would scare them off (which they do very consistently). The problem is that theyl still sink like 10-15 convois even while retreating. That means their also usually way out of range for your sub killers to rlly do shit.

[@fulcrum2951]

Bokoen and his buddies should've known

[@-arabnationalist-2076]

Submarines are weak against destroyers, but I combine Subs and light cruisers in one task ... this task destroyed the Royal Navy and US navy with really small losses... the subs destroy capital ships with its torpedos and the light cruisers destroy the screen ships and the planes.

[@namelessrice]

If you get docking rights from denmark after they get invaded the range wont be a problem for the US right?

[@clorox2595]

Denmark is probably dead by the time the us joins the war

[@dustinl796]

Suppose not to be but i tried in a mp game recently after it fell to germany and i had no change

[@timothyliptrot9062]

Has anyone tested the tiny tac bomber groups?

[@dustinl796]

Well I'm just saying, there is a reason that after this video now there's a rule on Pro axis multiplayer servers this a air wings can only be a minimum of a hundred planes now LOL

[@rajmodi7437]

Hello Dustinl

[@dustinl796]

Hello raj

[@rajmodi7437]

@@dustinl796 i seen france multi video it Dustinl 789 not you but some copycats.

[@rajmodi7437]

@@dustinl796 how many plane should be fine on CV ships?

[@lobotomyE.G.O.RegretFaust]

i got a single submarine level III sinking convoys everday... i feel dirty now.

[@cidv7447]

Yarrrgh. Your tips be helping me improv my game, but knot me english

[@dustinl796]

😁

[@xiangli8701]

Torpedo Bombers work well too

[@dustinl796]

I'll have to try them but I've only ever tried tactical bombers. It seems funny that you could use Torpedoes and anti-submarine warfare LOL

[@fulcrum2951]

A fairey swordfish did destroy a u boat at one point

[@vojtechsulc5899]

Nice video, but the real question is how to submerge the counters!

[@dustinl796]

And thats where sonar comes in 😁

[@gal5245]

Do you play Black ice mod?

[@dustinl796]

I have a couple times but it's way to micro management intensive for me

[@FurryCruz]

So I spend my first year researching 1940s stuff, when do I research the industry and the smaller stuff..? Stuff that I 1936 can research without penalties.

[@dustinl796]

You should be researching all that beforehand as it can still help you in other areas like guarding the east coast of the United States for example and other zones from submarines, then when you're able to research Destroyer threes and the Cruisers and once they're deployed use them in the Denmark see for example I keep the ones that don't have much Range close to your home Shores where you would need escorts

[@FurryCruz]

@@dustinl796 yeah, I know that too, but I feel in your video yoy are saying only use lvl 3, too many new players who will then not realize that too keep producing lvl 2 is good too. But I like the tip with the flying cruiser, is sort of like an escort carrier light. I think there actually is a historic counterpart to your flying light cruiser)

[@williamstall4420]

USA has about 116 reasons why U-Boats aren't that much of a problem. I take the old tier 1 DDs and refit them with radar, sonar and depth charges and they make great frigates because they're much cheaper to build than 1940 DDs and my new Destroyer Escorts (DE) can make hunting packs of 40 to 50 DEs in each.

[@dustinl796]

Actually in smaller groups they will be much better, if you have them in tiny or groups they do more engagements and more Convoy escort missions sinking more enemy submarines

[@williamstall4420]

Thanks for the tip. I'll try that in groups of 20 from now on. Oh, and advise people to put the dual purpose 5"38 on as soon as possible. Does wonders to AA power.

[@kerotomas1]

If land based radar stations can detect subs, then this is a massive fail - though i'm pretty sure it can only detect surface ships

[@dustinl796]

A test i did a recently did have more sub engadgements with it than without it.

[@JoonasP42]

The range won't be a issue when Germany attacks Denmark. They are going to join Allies and you can use the naval bases in Greenland and Iceland.

[@dustinl796]

Yes but if you play multiplayer more often than not because German players learned of this they don't attack Denmark anymore unless it's required in the rules. Another issue is even if they do sometimes you're older destroy you're still not have enough range and there's no radar bases near there

[@gildedphoenix]

I wonder is there a Befriend Denmark Germany players im MP, as it makes Denmark become a potential ally to them.

[@troddenarcher9652]

I didn’t know cruisers were the way to go instead of Destroyers. Axis and Allies has failed me.

[@bighoss9660]

Bruh tac bombers and destroyer 1 with 1 gun, sonar and 1 d change you can have 40 out by the war is USA

[@dustinl796]

But then you won't have the range to get up to Denmark even if they have war declared on them and they join the allies

[@mari0664]

noooooooo you're gonna ruin me

[@dustinl796]

Lol I'm just trying to help people quit raging on the allies

[@fulcrum2951]

Sounds so wrong in many ways

[@mari0664]

fulcrum 29 How so?:3

[@sacer666]

Error 404 , CLs not found , all converted to carriers

[@dustinl796]

Lol

[@Guest-lq6vt]

How to counter submarine counters

[@Guest-lq6vt]

Then how do you counter those

[@Guest-lq6vt]

And those

[@Guest-lq6vt]

Again

[@dustinl796]

Heavy cruisers and a surface fleet

[@rps215]

Convoy raid using something big, like Battlecruisers and Carriers.

[@turndownforwatt6320]

This was so bad that I cannot possibly be expected to correct everything. Please, show a test run to demonstrate the efficacy of this. I don't even think this will work in MERCS where subs are nerfed beyond one's wildest imagination. I genuinely want to see how fast you run out of convoys.

[@dustinl796]

Just a couple things, one I noticed that you on almost every single video point out things that you say are wrong but the majority of people disagree and say they work in multiplayer games in vanilla. Second off I noticed you say mercs mod but this video is made for Vanilla single player and multiplayer, not a mod which would drastically change the entire setup. And in fact I have shown test in the past and have them well-documented, you can easily tell in the start of the video that in vanilla games submarines in the hands of people that don't know how to counter them are incredibly overpowered. Don't simply say there are several errors when it's only you and a couple other people have issues but the vast majority of the rest of the people that watch it have very good outcomes. To be honest after you mentioned the mod I believe that's why you're having such different outcomes and saying everything is so different and doesn't work, it's because you're playing on a mod that's custom built-in changes several stats inside the game. I'm not trying to be a jerk I'm just going by the reviews I've gotten about the stuff that you say is wrong

[@turndownforwatt6320]

Dustinl796 Videos go back and reread what I said. I said your stuff will not work even in mods where subs are heavily nerfed. I have no trouble with subs ever; as a result, my inbox is constantly full of people asking me to play UK. I assert instead that your positive feedback is coming from people who play single player and the criticisms that you receive on every single discord server in existence is from people like me who actually do play competitive multiplayer matches regularly.

[@dustinl796]

@@turndownforwatt6320 okay my bad regarding the mod thing, still though what you said is inaccurate. A lot of the comments I get are people specifically mentioning that they are doing a lot of the things I do videos on in multiplayer and having great results, as for something else you need to realize what you just said. Because you were able to deal with Subs you're constantly being asked to play the United Kingdom which should give you a very big red flag that obviously not many people know how to counter them. So just do this, tell me just two or three things that I said in this video about anti-submarine Warfare that were wrong just two or three

[@turndownforwatt6320]

Dustinl796 Videos outright incorrect would be things like naval range. Allies have access all over the world and shouldn’t consider range when choosing a designer. All you need is one tile in a province and your ships sail the entire province (as oppose to aircraft). The example you’ve provided is flawed as USA can rebase ships in Canada and have range in the entire Denmark Strait, though maybe that was just to demonstrate an example. Other things further down the list are a matter of min-maxing and maybe that’s not the target audience but for instance you cannot afford to use Fleet in Being, rely on cruiser III for sub killing, build level 5 radars, etc. Fact is, UK has to survive for 1.5 years against subs without the USA plus keeping the Italian navy out of the Eastern Med. Not to mention, they get bonuses for Tier III ships later than Italy. You have to show them how to manage subs with more outdated vessels and without dumping 50K IC into every pion island in the Atlantic and Med.

[@dustinl796]

Okay now let me rebuttal that, if you use Destroyer ones you can load any scenario and see for yourself even if the United States owns Iceland and Denmark and Yuri base the ships inside of Iceland or Denmark or Canada you still do not have the naval range in those zones for some reason. Second off if you use old destroyers that have been upgraded true they can sometimes send the subs off however the issue remains with other stats like sub detection or speed that you can only upgrade so far before needing a newer model, Cruiser threes for sub killing only takes way too long to just mass-produce them to an extent where they can actually do something, and actually if you would like to look at my latest Naval video I showed that the doctrines literally have no effect whatsoever on naval combat and only detection bonuses. Give one side all three doctrines even and still no differences in losses in over seven bottles

[@unmexicano5051]

How to destroy the royal navy for invade britannia

[@dustinl796]

Lol

[@MDMssHypNoTiZe]

Can somebody help with uk invasion . UK have 30 ships 3k planes 100 convoys and 150 200 divisions but most of them are in Britain . I have full air and naval supremacy But cant take port because they have shit ton of units

[@dustinl796]

Invade around the port with tanks and at the same time invade the port from the sea, this doesnt let them reinforce or get more units to guard 😁

[@MDMssHypNoTiZe]

To late I will nuke them later they have now some how 30 us division :D

[@flossie0001]

build sub 3 as US and destroy japan's eco

[@dustinl796]

Mostly you need to guard the Denmark Strait and Atlantic from German submarines though