Hold on tight... I made SEVERAL mistakes here.

[@CharlieLamdin]

I’ve taken such a beating for sharing my ADM mistakes on my channel. It’s never pleasant hearing the armchair jocks, so I really respect you for sharing this Josh, because you’re definitely helping others learn and thus helping make aviation safer by sharing than you would by not sharing. Kudos!

[@motogirlz101]

As a newly minted pilot, this video helped me a lot. They are 2 highly experienced commercial pilots. Seeing them decision make in real time is an eye opener. What if it was only one of them? Would they have made different choices? The call to descend to 2500’ below the weather helped relax them and get out of that turbulence. I noticed the other guy on the radio copied them and asked to descend. And then the jet over them 1000’ ☹️. I’m glad they made it safely out of there and shared their experience.

[@GeorgesAdventure-LetsGO]

Definitely the adage of “on the ground wishing you was in the air than in the air wishing you was on the ground” applies here.

[@Aviation101]

Yeah that cross my mind a time or three 😅

[@StuTheFarmer]

Love how aviation allows people to say “I made a mistake and I’m going to learn from it” far too many people these days are afraid to admit fault because the ramifications are seen to be something to fear. If we don’t learn from small mistakes we will only make bigger ones! Love your work!

[@xheralt]

Aviation and other high-risk hobbies like scuba diving not only allow but _require_ high levels of self analysis and self critique; the web of net citizens, on the other hand...doesn't know what they don't know, but it doesn't stop them from commenting. "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

[@MichaelLloyd]

I gotta tell you, if I had seen all of that weather I probably would have cancelled. That's easy to say sitting here in the comfort of my living room though. I'm glad you made it and I'm glad that you made the video. You have a high degree of integrity and I appreciate that.

[@basilkatakuzinos659]

That Departure controller was an angel.

[@davidklassen2805]

Josh the most important thing is that you are humble enough to admit that you made a mistake and that you are willing to learn from the mistake. Also I want to thank you for sharing this video so we can learn from your mistakes instead of having to make them ourselves. Keep up the awesome work! Love the videos!

[@Vegabond_Wings]

Glad you guys came out of it safely. As a brand new pilot I learn a lot from your videos, especially safety practices and better ADM. kudos.

[@Aviation101]

I’m glad to hear this content is doing some good out there - thanks so much for the support!

[@EHAMZTZX]

Same here. And from the comfort of my surface-bound chair, 'the conundrum you were facing' was probably telling you to stay in Dallas. Thanks for sharing!

[@antoniog9814]

42:37 "Are you allowed to call things slow." Excellent burn! 😂

[@PilotToPilot]

@@antoniog9814 got himmm lol

[@jannesroh.7159]

The combination of real-time footage and your afterthoughts is perfect. Thanks for taking us with you on this one!

[@johnisley2782]

I'm currently going through ground school and I'd like to thank you for your humility and honesty in this video. It's detailed debriefs like this, that I think are vital for learning how to balance and mitigate various risk scenarios. Especially by you going over the other options you were considering like taking off later and flying into the night and the risk involved with that decision that help new pilots like me learn good ADM.

[@drewm4914]

Thanks for sharing, Josh! By admitting our mistakes and showing how they happen, we make aviation safer by teaching how situations develop and how we can avoid them. New pilots like myself can benefit from this type of lesson. Can't wait for the next video.

[@Aviation101]

Thanks for that! ADM has massive grey areas - it can be hard to know what’s “right” or “best” with so many variables at play. Thanks for the support 🙌🏼

[@_FNQ]

The whole de-brief situation of these episodes is so valuable. Keep at it!

[@ezflyr4573]

I hope one of your lessons learned is evaluating how the route was filed. Based on the WX, taking off to the south made sense. Turning east and then north toward the weather, why? Filing for west turn and dog legging to the south would have been a better option which would have kept the airplane further from the storm. Force ATC to give a clearance that is needed or take off VFR and exit the Bravo or as discussed, stay on the ground and wait for better weather. Glad you made it safely.

[@samthelittleman1]

Josh, I've been flying airliners for the last three years and haven't flown GA in almost a year but man! That gave me some anxiety lol. Nice job breaking down your ADM and learning from the decisions. Fly safe brother.

[@PrivateCitizen7]

Josh, your videos over the years got me through student pilot training and have, without any doubt, made me a better and safer pilot. This one is no exception. Thanks for sharing!

[@wojohowitz5432]

Confidence and Competence is what i just watched. These are what I strive for. Well done.

[@Aviation101]

I appreciate that! Thanks for watching.

[@jimengberg3117]

It's good to see real life examples of how these situations develop. We can recognize when we are starting the same type of situation without having to have been there before ourselves.

[@Aviation101]

Always learning! 🙌🏼

[@AndrewCagleFilm]

Great video. I fly out of KRBD as an instrument student, right now. The most difficult aspect of flying to pick up is experience and good aeronautical decision making. I have been reading Richard Collins' book "Flying the Weather Map". This video reminds me of the narrative IFR flight summaries he gives in the book. Learning from your own mistakes is good. Learning from other people's mistakes might be even better. Thanks for sharing!

[@michaelniedermeyer282]

Thank you much for sharing this. This video resonated with me personally after a quite turbulent flight the other day as a student pilot which was very uncomfortable and discouraging. Not only was your honest perspective on flight planning valuable, but seeing/hearing that even experienced pilots like you guys don’t enjoy turbulence was a huge wave of reassurance. I had a great flight the following day! Thank you again, and I look forward to watching more videos to continue to grow and learn!

[@bpbubz]

Thank you. Josh , thanks for posting your not quite "A" game moments and then pointing out the "keeping it simple" lessons that you learned, that will keep youin the avation (living) world for years to come. Now , time to watch again and break out the note book.

[@tallbrian100]

You know its bumpy when you start grabbing the glare shield.

[@xfirehurican]

*Clouds can be your friends - but only if another pilot is trying to shoot you down.*😮

[@Aviation101]

Hahahaha!

[@KevinGoldenEnterprises]

Josh the way the 2 of you kept your cool was amazing to watch. And your willingness to share your lessons learned is admirable.

[@OSWCrosshair2002]

Great video and transparency regarding ADM. Taking one on the chin of sorts, could save somebody's life. Great job, Josh.

[@thomasmaier7053]

I love your debriefs, thank you for being so open about a situation we can all find ourselves in and helping us all be more safe

[@Swfraley]

Things finish well for one of two reasons: you did the right thing or you got away with something. That’s why it’s important to debrief your successes as well as your failures. Thanks, Josh, for yet another great entry.

[@rqstaffan]

The manual flying in the weather si impressive, and a good decision to avoid sudden autopilot disconnect with ensuing risk of loss of situational awareness

[@MrWickwire27]

I see the date was June 3rd. I have a very similar story from May 25th except it was around 11 at night. In and out of IMC on the edge of a supercell with a 60k+ tops. The worst turbulence i've ever experience. Ended up diverting into Addison ADS. Waited for a couple hours and finished the flight to GYI. That entire evening was an exercise in ADM. Weather wasn't as forecast and nothing moved as it usually does in the area. It was quite the spring and summer of storms in North Texas. It was super stressful but i'm so grateful for the lessons learned.

[@Aviation101]

We all have had those experiences, and you’re never exempt from drifting into that situation at any experience level. Thanks for sharing that! 🙌🏼

[@dukebeach1]

Thank you by leading with humility and setting a fantastic example of how to learn from your mistakes. My daughter is an aspiring military aviator and I have recommended your channel vigorously. Stay safe Josh.

[@jacobcastellanos3177]

Great video! That would have been even more miserable trying to manage everything alone. Glad you had another competent pilot on board to help share the workload. I appreciate you being so transparent.

[@scottbeyer101]

Don't beat yourself up too much Josh. There is a lot of gray space in ADM as you said. I too am no fan of night flight in SEP, but yeah, waiting was probably a safer bet. Loved meeting Justin. I listen to his podcasts on the drive to the airport all the time. Opposing Bases as well.

[@PilotToPilot]

Thanks for listening!

[@Aviation101]

Thanks for watching! Definitely a lot of grey area in ADM, but at least we walk away with footage to debrief where ADM could have been better. More to come. 🤘🏼

[@stevekinney66]

Thanks as always Josh! It’s not easy to be vulnerable like you do. It’s much appreciated for those of us learning from you. Justin also did a great job flying. Go Bucks!

[@artificialhorizons1469]

Thank you for this kind of aeronautical decision making analysis. It helps build our own map of go/no go factors when dealing with less than ideal decisions.

[@Aviation101]

Awesome to hear - thanks so much for the feedback!

[@mbaird2853]

Worst turbulence I’ve ever experienced was crossing northern Greenland in a DC-10. Severe mountain wave. We blocked 7500 feet. MMO climbing two thousand feet per minute with thrust idle, to -2000 fpm thrust maximum. Lasted about twenty minutes. Oddly it wasn’t jarring but it was edge of the envelope stuff.

[@mechanicalpirate664]

Did something similar ended up flying threw a few storm cells in a 1965 Cherokee 140 worst ride especially with just a lap belt the amount of stuff flying around in the cockpit dirt small screws and my flight bag was insane

[@libertine5606]

With thunderstorms being visual is best. That looked like a fast mover and what I have found it that it usually clears up after it passes. Locating closer, what I call the duck and dive, let the weather pass then take off. The down side is you are at a airport in between your base and your destination if the weather doesn't get better. Also, find cover because hail can be ruthless in the mid-west! As far as night is it the same if you are flying over fog in the day time? Or mountains? Or even IMC, are you continually making sure that the ceilings are high enough that you can maneuver after breaking out? It's the risk that you are comfortable with. But what is the actual risk in each scenario or are they the same? Either way one of the best ways is to never cut corners on airplane maintenance and never run low on fuel. Because a engine out in the daytime is no gimme either.

[@cuttingconversations5161]

Thank you for sharing such a vulnerable moment as a pilot. Cheers to you mate. I learn so much from your channel.

[@jeromecannon8575]

Been there and done that, not fun. It's amazing how calm you become with ATC in the midst of trying to navigate through the turbulence. Flew routinely to Florida for 18 months and it was a regular occurrence navigating weather and determining the best course to insure a good outcome. Great video for pilots, regardless of hours on Risk Management. I have followed you since the beginning and I think that it is one of your best.

[@nickfishburn5490]

Ironic they had you flying the .ADM transition in a video highlighting…ADM 😂 Thanks as always for being humble enough to share your mistakes so we can all become better pilots. Much love from Chicago!

[@Aviation101]

Hahaha I didn’t even think about that 😂😂😂

[@JS-lj5rl]

I've had several similar situations IFR near thunderstorms with only XM Weathee. Controllers are not familiar with your limited capabilities - no live radar and absolutely cannot "pick your way" through and around cells. Also displayed here is that on handoff from one controller to another the plan you were working with one to get around weather can get thrown out immediately and you get vectors and changes from the next guy you know are counterproductive. I've had the same issues with controllers keeping me in "trouble." The solution - I would have waited for the cells to move further East before departing. Simply ruling out all single engine flying because it's dark out eliminates a massive number of options and missions that are accomplished safely all the time.

[@bubbaman12289]

Cranking the videos out….. love it

[@Aviation101]

Work work work!

[@antoniog9814]

17:38 a missed opportunity, Josh, lol. ATC: "80991, how's the ride now?" Josh: "The longest 8 seconds of my life!"

[@airplanegeek893]

Wow thank you so much for being upfront about your thoughts on flying at night. It’s been a concern of mine since my ppl training days. I try to avoid it as much possible. But that feeling did hindered my progress a bit as well.

[@NatesRandomVideo]

I’ve put myself into that line of crud before and when you said it would take an extra hour my brain went… “worth it!” BTDT… got rocked. lol 😂

[@boydw1]

I think there's something to be said for just asking for what you want in plain English. In this instance right from contacting clearance, I'd be inclined to say something like 'I'm looking for a departure to the west to skirt the weather", and re-iterate that point with the other controllers.

[@miloswanson9646]

One of my first dual Cross Country flights waaaay back in 1975 was Cleveland to Columbus OH in a Cessna 150. There are some rolling hills about halfway. The problem was that the forecast winds aloft at our enroute altitude of 3000' of 12kts was NOT what we actually experienced. Cars on the Interstate below us were outpacing us due to the headwinds at 3000'msl. Despite the cinched-down lapbelt, my instructor bounced his head off the ceiling a few times in that first 45 minutes to only go 40 miles. A call to the FSS at our midpoint confirmed winds were 35kts at 3000' and 50kts at 5000'. We called it a day and turned back for home. After landing, he told me to gas up at the pumps since no other student was going up in that much wind, while he went inside. I fueled up and was waiting for him so we could taxi to our tiedown, so I went looking for him. Unbeknownst to me, he was in the Men's room throwing up. After he came out , he stated "That was the first time I was ever worried about the wings falling off the airplane". Yes, we could see the wings flexing on the 150! That much turbulence is NO FUN!

[@andrewhayward9539]

I super appreciate your videos! It makes me sad I don't have my license, but I love how you show mistakes and what it actually takes to be a great pilot. There is more to think about than people realize, it's not just hop in and fly! Hopefully one day I will be joining you in the skies.

[@Aviation101]

Unapologetic humility. 🙏🏼 keep pushing for your goal!

[@MrSixstring2k]

I am lower time pilot 250 hrs and newly instrument rated and while waiting by the gas pump at my airport I remember talking to a pilot hanging around about decision making and weather and he said it’s like chess you think thru any one of your available choices and then next 2 moves for the decisions you like, I thought to myself that kind of makes sense and thats how I approach it and it works for me. I make a decision and then the next decision and the 2 possible outcomes and then the next until my landing, one thing it does for me it slows me down and makes me think and try to see the bigger picture in my head.

[@Jackanory222]

There is or was a video on KZbin about the ferry pilot who had fuel issues crossing the Atlantic. It is a remarkable story. Really enjoy your channel. Outstanding productions

[@geonauto]

He wrote a book "ferry pilot" plus there is also a maday episode about it.

[@alexL2]

He also has a KZbin channel!

[@johnqdoe]

That’s Kerry McCauly. He has a YT channel and was the star of TV show Dangerous Flights also on YT.

[@jamess6656]

Thank you for sharing the experience! Reminds me of the quote from Viper from in TopGun “A good pilot is compelled to always evaluate what's happened. So he can apply what he's learned.”

[@tomsnide]

So awesome to see Justin Seams and you finally connected. At OSH23 I met up with him and mentioned that he should interview you. He gave me one of the PilotToPilot keychains and said I should give it to you. I hand delivered to you and Chels at one of the meet-n-greets. So I hope that helped make the connection, because you both have given a lot to the aviation community. // What an awesome video and lessons conveyed. Keep up the great work! // To Justin: Go Bucks!

[@davewestner]

been there too. Was taking off outta somewhere in AR and I was out of radar coverage til I got up to 5000 and ATC couldn't turn me til I popped up. Not a very pleasant few minutes.

[@RNAv8or1]

Strong work managing the workload even after less than optimal choices. The teaching moment is that even given your experience you recognized you made a mistake, addressed it, and learned from it. Thanks for the great content. On an aside note, are you liking the David Clark’s???

[@scottmoseley5122]

One of your best episodes.... the sweat was real. I was on edge with ya'll.

[@almarasco1792]

Josh that was a wonderful video, your always so humble and admit when you make an mistake and turn it into a teaching moment for all of us pilots learn from it, thanks again, safe flying

[@ca_pilot]

I mean the other way to look at it was that you had a plan for what an out looked like, so when things got worse than unexpected, you were able to exit the conditions. Meaning, you *had* margins, which was why you were able to get out of worse than acceptable conditions.

[@black_dog_barks]

Shows how even the best pilots make deadly mistakes....

[@CaptainSultan]

Thanks for sharing Josh and Justin. A lot of great learnings in this one

[@manifestgtr]

That departure controller out of Dallas was a great example of good ATC who’s ready and willing to help out. In my various travels, I can say that I experience these types of ATC more often than not, especially when needed. I tend to stay pretty local to my area but in my darker hours, Boston departure/approach/various towers have always been there for me…I guess you could say I’m the opposite of Dave Mustaine 🧐

[@ik04]

There must be something about the weather between Olathe and Central Texas. I have had to dodge and poke between waves of clouds along that route many times and wished I was somewhere else...

[@eastendmafia]

A handle on the pillar or above the door would be nice to grab onto during turbulence, or simply getting in and out of the airplane

[@ghqservicesmiddlegeorgiadr9986]

Thanks for this video! Brings back some memories from the past. 😅

[@jimcook6682]

Another great video Josh showing dealing with weather and how to overcome second guessing yourself. Watching from Olive Branch,MS ✈️

[@gix40]

Great video Josh as always. I appreciate the humbleness and honesty. Keep em coming.

[@JanFischer-xh8my]

thanks for sharing! I think that'll help tons of other pilots

[@fly4fun350]

Josh, you always ask what do we want to see? Well, this one gets a 10.

[@NYCRONFX]

The best thing is coming back home from flight school to a Aviation101 video 😁

[@reganeubanks]

Amazing debrief of your own flight. I love it!

[@TGAV8]

Great video, good lessons for even mavericks like them. - Always learning.

[@hmabboud]

Your guest looks like Juan Bardem. My daily PPL Training in the canaries with sever wind shear every training session. I would leave the school feeling very tired every single time.

[@easttexan2933]

Did I detect a hint of "getthereitis" in your preflight planning? Accepting a different route to 070 really put you in a bind but you owned up to the mistake. BUT, you put yourself back in the "kill zone" for no good reason other than we wanted to get going. Holding onto the panel with your free hand says it all. Lesson learned. God's grace was sufficient for the day. Moving on.

[@Aviation101]

All debriefed in the video. 👍🏼

[@easttexan2933]

@@Aviation101 and very well done. Sign of a good character trait.

[@budowens6478]

Excellent video. We are always learning something as pilots.

[@easttexan2933]

@@budowens6478 Yes, we are but as the same fatal accidents keep happening, learning and not repeating becomes the issue. A pilot needs to make that transition

[@blakemills1316]

So I’m not super familiar with the area but would it have been a good idea to just go VFR to get around the cells and then get a pop up? Maybe when you realized you were being vectored into the storm to get down and cancel IFR then pick it back up when you are clear? Maybe that would be difficult with DFW Bravo right there but thinking different options

[@movingart8026]

Josh, I'm saying hello from KAUS. I really enjoyed the video! Thanks for showing the Rnav approach, I think the Rnav approach procedure is really an ingenious invention! If you're ever at KGTU by Cutter Aviation, I'll say hello...😊

[@chester8420]

9:05 I dont know, Josh. Thats cutting it mighty close... haha!

[@gromm93]

At the beginning of this video, I was asking myself: How badly do you really need to go there, and why must it be in a C172? Also, you managed to check all 3 of the boxes for "Dumb, dangerous, or different." PIC was not especially familiar with the 172 anymore (they mentioned this several times before you even got clearance to take off), and you were flying right into a line of storms to tick off "dumb and dangerous". But... good for you for surviving this and putting it on KZbin as a lesson to others.

[@Aviation101]

All debriefed in the video 🫡 thanks for watching!

[@streettosky5983]

Good to put a face to the pilot to pilot podcast.

[@PilotToPilot]

lol thanks man!

[@paulschannel3046]

Great video! Yep, lessons learned the hard way are the ones you really learn from. I agree with your final assessment that a little night flying presented a statistical risk much less than skirting serious convective activity.

[@Aviation101]

Indeed - always learning, always humble.

[@josephalberta1145]

I have flown verrry close to thunderstorms in Astars, which are very stable compared to light aircraft. This is not a recommended procedure. Flying through them in a 172 is not something I would like in any form. Even using one for IFR work is sketchy to me. No anti icing, no on board radar, and very little extra power with no second engine. Thank you for sharing this experience.

[@blakemills1316]

As a CFI, do you just try to mitigate as much risk as you can for your student’s night flights? I totally understand not wanting to fly a single engine at night but your students need the night time so curious how you go about your ADM with that

[@AlanSanderson-u4t]

Words of wisdom from an old time flight instructor: If you lose your engine at night, turn on your landing lights. If you don’t like what you see, turn them off.

[@Wookierabbit]

My instructor and I got caught up in a storm system like this one about a month ago from KACT to KADS. Quite the ride. 🙂

[@Aviation101]

Not fun!

[@Wookierabbit]

@ Yeah, of course it was a soup of Not Fun. :-). But I can look back at that adventure and smile with confidence that I nailed that LOC approach. Crew coordination was great.

[@paulm2861]

Such a great video, Josh. Felt like I was feeling that turbulence with you two.

[@SteveH98264]

Was a bit disconcerting watching your wing flex in the turbulance. As a retired controller I have one bit of advise, use your call sign EVERY TIME you key the mike. Maybe it's editing, but you're guilty of NOT doing so about 50% of the time.

[@Aviation101]

@@SteveH98264The wing never flexed enough to be visible even to the naked eye. Re: Call sign - I use the call sign way, WAY more than 50% of the time (don’t be fooled that watching a KZbin video gives you all the context about my flying). I will, however, save the frequency from adding a call sign when I’m simply acknowledging a call after we’ve already had a back-and-forth exchange, or when our hands are full and I need to give a quick and concise response.

[@SteveH98264]

@@Aviation101 I could clearly see the wing flex from the wing mounted camera, wasn't much, but it was there. As for using the call sign concerning readback: If you DO NOT use your call sign when acknowledging a clearance the controller has no proof that you received the clearance. If you (the pilot) screws up it's on the controller, NOT the pilot.

[@spacebaron2117]

Did you see how your wings flexed when you started the descend to 2500? (19:26) I have seen big aircraft flex their wings like that, but never a Cessna! Scary stuff! 🙃

[@josephsener420]

Great video, love to see how conservative you approach IFR.

[@BlueSideUp77]

Hats off to the Departure ATC!

[@Rockingruvin]

Landing looked more like a faster plane but I suppose that's expected. Still a great landing. Glad the weather wasn't worse.

[@captainkttyhwk]

I woulda rather did it after dark, less convection, less weather. flown lots of hours at night over the detroit area with lots of faith in the IO-360.

[@eastendmafia]

Justin doesnt get enough love for being a ohio state QB. That is an EXTREMELY hard thing to achieve, even if he was a backup. All while listening to mumford & sons? unheard of.. lol

[@PilotToPilot]

@@eastendmafia lolll

[@Dan007UT]

"Get-there-itis" snuck into your plan? Good lesson learned! 😁

[@ron1969]

Justin has nerves of steel.

[@PilotToPilot]

lol

[@Aviation101]

For agreeing to fly with me, yes 😂

[@Maximka1100]

Thanks Josh !!!

[@vincentkorpel8695]

How much extra should it be to go airborne, heading 270 til after the tail of the wheather and then north?

[@camsmeltzer9388]

Get there itis? Never press a bad move. Options are always available

[@theflyingfrog]

Enjoying these more frequent uploads. Best wishes from France 🇫🇷

[@bartofilms]

No offeense but from my barka-lounger, I did get the impression you may have had a bit of professional 'Get-There-Itis' / hubris. My understanding is : digital / radio-relayed weather data is at best, 15 minutes old. Even if I was IFR/CFI/SEL, etc. I'd never trust my life to info that old, esp. if showing thunder storms closer than 10mi.

[@patrickheavirland3599]

Good afternoon from Minnesota! Great episode!

[@idekav.]

alright, my two cents to this is that the original plan was not dangerous or unsafe, it was a well sound and thought out plan… even though the 2k feet runway was unplanned by you, it was still the better option and i wanna thank you for providing that insight with the drawing because runway direction is not something i would of previously thought about, that being said that runway was definitely the safer option and wouldve kept you out of harms way with a safety margin… however the runway you departed was safe as well, the problem that occured here was the hesitancy to speak up to the controller and allowing yourself to get closer to those cells just to keep the controller happy, a simple “we need a turn NOW” would have kept the same margins as the first runway assignment would have… Nevertheless you maintained a safety margin throughout the entirety of the departure, well done flight and lessons i learned just watching!

[@johnfitzpatrick2469]

That was some "fancy flying" in IMC. 🌏🇦🇺

[@PilotToPilot]

What a flight lol. Hopefully the next flight won’t be so eventful 😂

[@Aviation101]

Yes a calmer flight is preferred 😂🫡