Hollow Knight - Speedrunner vs. 4 Hunters ft.

[@fireb0rn]

Hope y'all enjoyed the video. Some notes: - Looking back on the chat, I don't think I posted the rules anywhere for the hunters to reference. That's my bad (probably only went over it verbally), so please don't blame them. - There were some issues with the edit that I'm aware of, including a few awkward cuts and having to do audio repair due to mic issues. So if you notice bad audio quality, that's why. Apologies for that. - Changes to the game for next time might include: removing bench healing, removing dream gate, maybe nerfing Great Slash to 1 dmg.

[@guy45x56]

If great slash get nerfed to 1 dmg there isn’t much of a point to grab it at that point, idk maybe that’s just me

[@henryhammer6894]

@@guy45x56 It does have a huge hitbox so its not completely useless

[@keasy6410]

maybe instead of nerfing great slash, boost hunters HP? that way it's still very powerful, but not as. although this will make combat before you have great slash way harder

[@tomascontreras4949]

Would love to see a true ending speedruner vs hunters

[@olizandrifan9865]

I do think nerfing great slash is overkill

[@Ani]

the thk fight is one of the most sombre and moving moments in the game, it's only natural to have upbeat kirby as the background music for it

[@justmerepanda7721]

Okay. This is Animagician. The Dream SMP dude. It's super cool to see you here.

[@DarkSoSpooky]

the the hollow knight?

[@inkfae9916]

obviously because you consume the radiance

[@Kazam100]

@@DarkSoSpooky the the empty guardian

[@Oh7.]

@@Kazam100 The the valueless paladin

[@Mystic_Kkoi]

The entire video: *Menacing music with tension* The ACTUAL boss fight: *Cheerful bop*

[@shubbb66]

and the best thing is: the music syncs with fire

[@forkgodsdescendant2503]

Well, Good Players are far more difficult to defeat than any Boss. Especially speedrunners who make them look like nothing. Much scarier.

[@murphmariotwopointoh7714]

What if he tried to choose a Kirby 64 boss theme and misclicked on Popstar's theme?

[@KingCarva]

The Hunters: Accidentally cheating Fireborn: "Great, now its fair"

[@1th_to_comment.]

Even then, it's still heavily in Fire's favor.

[@Som1tookStarSailor_]

@@1th_to_comment. Yes

[@Som1tookStarSailor_]

Im the 300th like! :)))

[@Domin0Head]

@@Som1tookStarSailor_they call me “Mr. 304” lol

[@Cman04092]

@1th_to_comment. thats only cause fire is so good though, your average joe would be completely f**ked, lol. I dunno if i could beat HK with 4 extra people up my ass if i had 2 days, much less 2 hours lol.

[@SonicHaXD]

20:03 that was such a sneaky play XD

[@keithklassen5320]

S T E L F

[@ashtoncartner]

The fact that one of the hunters went right on top of him as well and didn't notice.

[@MemoOwO]

I loved that

[@jacobkerner2593]

Perfect juke if not for map

[@ziwuri]

@@ashtoncartner there's no sound or visual cue so there's not really any reason to notice

[@snowie7889]

I think constantly using the map really hurt the hunters, they were so focused on chasing after Fire that they would leave key areas unguarded. Still an amazing video non the less

[@pinkapetdesigns]

Plus sometimes he won't even be there anymore when they get there so focusing too much on it is definitely detrimental

[@eterickstonely8548]

There were multiple times when he flew past them while they had their map open, yeah.

[@randomchip499]

Hunters may open their map only once per game (30 second limit). feels like they used it way to early i think i saw two times where people used map before greenpath lol

[@Herrscher-of-Autism]

@@randomchip499 uhh no they misunderstood the rules and didn't realise there was a limit I think

[@Blind3866]

They were only supposed to use it once each like in previous runs.

[@wolven.]

the way bert perfectly timed his callouts with your stag movement at 17:10 had me laughing for about 5 minutes

[@ashtoncartner]

17:03 is a better time stamp but yeah it was great.

[@kayson971]

@Gabriel Enrrique De La Cruz Ordaz OP is talking about what was going on at that exact moment, it seemed like bert was narrating what fire was doing. The way bert mis-said "dirtmouth" instead of "forgotten crossroads", and the way fire stagged to dirtmouth instead of FC had such nice comedic timing.

[@LordoftheNightWolves]

Massive props to Fire doing the mantis village movement without use claw while claw was equipped. You can see the hesitation to make sure he doesn't touch the wall but still did it expertly.

[@buschcory]

I agree with another comment saying that these hunters really lost themselves by sitting on Map all day. Fire was not stopped at all in this run and just did whatever he wanted. Love the series! Look forward to more.

[@justcasual7262]

I'm confused. Is this really fire or not. He called the grubs filthy creatures but he didn't black screen saving them.

[@tacobosss]

My thoughts exactly

[@The_Sludge]

Fire has clearly been replaced by a skinwalker

[@korgtlive151]

YEA

[@justindbond]

Don't tell anyone but I've heard he's been grinding elegy %

[@agent_albert]

Why the grubs hate?

[@icycloud6823]

Surprised that even with infinite map time they weren't able to stop him. Only one death and that was in THK, with 20 minutes still left on the timer.

[@hydraphoris]

he’s the god gamer for a reason

[@procrasadini2283]

Probably cause they were more focused on chasing after him instead of trying to predict where he'll be and get infront of him that way

[@skinnysnorlax1876]

@@hydraphoris and they're still only gosh gamers

[@MinthZe]

I would love to see a true ending longer time version of this. The balancing would be crazy tough but its neat

[@Firefly256]

I feel like abyss would be way too hard for the speedrunner especially the lighthouse. A billion siblings dealing 2 damage are chasing you and the hunters can easily knock you off your platform

[@pietrocatalano4285]

@@Firefly256 And if the hunters could follow you into the Radiance fight then there's really no chance of winning

[@dcs305]

I had the exact same idea. Would love to see if this

[@Spiney09]

@@Firefly256 well, since he’s need the essence for awoken dream nail anyways, he could go for dream gate to avoid that, although the speedrunner with dream gate would be really OP.

[@bpv2298]

@@Firefly256 It would take some balancing, like the OP said, like how the hunters already cant enter certain arenas, you could say that Hunters cant enter certain areas, like the Abyss for example, it would take a lot more planning, rulemaking, and balancing to make it fair and possible, but it would be a longer and more entertaining series because of the additional variety in places he could go because of the things you need for true ending. It's more likely that Hunters can enter the THK fight, but if you beat THK and enter radiance it'd be considered a win? Or they wait to see if you die but that just seems boring.

[@Justicetom21]

I think this shows how important good interhunter communication is. Even with accidental infinimap, actually communicating with in-person "i saw him moving this way" info is so much more important for keeping everybody on the same page and working towards consistent goals - which doesn't always mean "attack the runner", sometimes it means "guard an area". Really well played on Fire regardless, and good video

[@nahlies2382]

When you're impressed by how they guess FIres every move, but it slowly becomes more and more obvious it's not guessing, and then even fire calls it out 😨

[@nahlies2382]

@A random person Who is random You can use a map once per hunter. and sometimes they didn't mention how they were using the map, they'd say something like "He's going to ******", which, if you've seen his other videos, people will say even without using the map. Saying it's pretty obvious doesn't mean it's pretty obvious, and if you're not paying close attention you could easily have no clue until it shows up on screen that the rules were misinterpreted

[@nahlies2382]

@A random person Who is random Then say "It was pretty obvious to me". I noticed it pretty quickly as well, but you just saying the entire thing was very obvious just isn't it chief. Honestly you just sound really egotistical. "Look at me! I think it was PRETTY OBVIOUS" 🙄

[@flammable1741]

How did the replies cause an argument why can’t people just agree to disagree

[@flammable1741]

@A random person Who is random ah yes it’s hard to admit your wrong I do that sometimes as well but for this specific scenario it was a bit of misunderstanding and improper communication

[@nahlies2382]

@A random person Who is random I didn't say it wasn't obvious to me, just the opposite in fact. I even specified "I noticed it pretty quickly as well". I was just saying that although some may see it easily, saying that it should've been obvious to EVERYONE is simply unfair. The reason I've been arguing is because I think it would be belittling to some people to do this kind of shitty bragging, when otherwise you could've just said "For me it was rather obvious". But instead you had to phrase it all as something that shouldn't have been missed by anybody, when there could be countless reasons as to how somebody would be able to

[@Dellirine]

"Five siblings are in constant fight while one of them is trying to save the Hallownest" - can be alternative title👌

[@tjeffersonb]

7:09 the timing of the music with the sneak attack has me dying

[@Kekko99ism]

Hunters at 9:03 : "He got dash! So we can dash now right?" Also them swimming into acid and crystal dashing from the start

[@hoodiesticks]

The HK community needs to do what the Super Metroid community did and come up with unique names for every room

[@OzvenomDnD]

That's SO many rooms

[@hoodiesticks]

@@OzvenomDnD It's less than you might think, since HK fits a lot of stuff into a single loading zone.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@@hoodiesticks It's still a lot more rooms than super metroid. Like twice as much I'd say.

[@hoodiesticks]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 Since making this comment I actually tried to do exactly this, and I think it's closer to triple. It's still really helpful for navigation, though, even if you don't remember every name. IIRC I finished Crossroads, Greenpath, Cliffs, Canyon, Fungal, and City, and I was nearly done Peak but I never posted it. I really should go back and finish it one of these days.

[@gamingcookiereal]

fungus3_15

[@friedpinnapple]

Man. Managing to outmaneuver the hunters when they were monitoring the map. That’s nuts.

[@haaldor]

The meta seems interesting right now for sure, but it's just a brawl at this point - the reason first speedrunner vs hunters videos were fun, was because 90% of them was sneaking and trying to outsmart the hunters. Not saying the rules should be changed, as long as all of you are having fun means that ruleset is quite nice; Just saying, there's a room for a more sneaky and smart version of ruleset, where wits and mindgames are more important than hunters mindlessly running after you 100% of the time. Nevertheless, always glad to see you having fun!

[@slackeralpaca4026]

it was supposed to be more trying to outsmart them and them trying to guess, but they ended up using infinite map time which pretty much made that impossible

[@haaldor]

@@slackeralpaca4026 I would say it's still more of a brawl even if they wouldn't use map at all; In current design there's just not enough time and possibility for taking more elaborate routes and dodging hunters through most of the gameplay; Right now it's just mostly case of being faster than hunters, as in any given moment hunters can somewhat narrow possible places speedrunner can be to 3 or less. Though I understand that Fire's concept is more of a race than a stalking game, and for that current design is pretty good; My comment was meant to just mention, that there's imo room and demand for slower type of run with more hiding and less fighting, like it was in first few speedrunner vs hunters videos.

[@TheAdvertisement]

Did you miss the part where Fire mentioned that the rules had been communicated incorrectly, and that they weren't supposed to use the map the whole time?

[@rosesheridan1323]

this community just never stops impressing me. i don't play much hk myself these days but between all the work you and others have done on the multiplayer mod, the incredible rando developers and players, the creativity of skin makers and the effort to bring so many amazing skins to the global community from CN, and not to mention the crazy high level of speedrunning still happening five years into the game's lifespan - there's never a shortage of new and wonderful content in my feed. from a humble watcher who's moved on to playing in other gaming pastures, thank you to all who contribute to this community 💛

[@parkerdoble4566]

Not to mention the occasional human sacrifice

[@kaehihi]

@@parkerdoble4566 yk, your daily Mossbag sacrifice

[@Delenomes]

17:03 its hilarious how the hunter just read Fire's actions with perfect timing

[@notanothergaminghandle]

That's because they were using the map. The hunters basically sat with the map open for a lot of the game.

[@Delenomes]

@@notanothergaminghandle if it was the case it still wouldnt help. The hunter called out the stags around time fire only clicked to travel.

[@hearthergd7462]

​@@notanothergaminghandle ah yes, and the map shows where a player will be in the future. No. He clearly called it before he even stagged to each location.

[@Bitmaker64]

@@hearthergd7462 the quantum map (shows most likely future)

[@MrSirHenryMF]

Thorns of Agony MVP, killing people during cutscenes.

[@jonathangould189]

17:00 Oooh the prediction was absolutely on point. He says you're probably going dirtmouth as you select it and I'm impressed, he then changes his mind and predicts crossroads the instant you do and my jaw dropped.

[@theladymeyneth6775]

Unfortunately not a prediction, hunters accidentally were using their maps for the entire run to track him constantly.

[@zarif1217]

@@theladymeyneth6775 that was predictions, maps don’t update that quick

[@zarif1217]

@@theladymeyneth6775 anyways, fireborn selects it a bit after the hunters say it

[@ItzMeKiyo]

Really enjoys these videos, because of how intense it is, maybe in the future speedrunner vs hunters, but true ending. Not to be mean to the hunters in these videos and all the past other hunters they did great on their own feats, But I feel like the only hunter where Fire would have a hard time fighting is HuntHustle.

[@ashtinpeaks9972]

Not really with a bit more coordination you have the ability to get him hardstuck. Watchers they let him have for free and monomon is another hard save. Plenty of opportunities if you play smart.

[@fantasyshadows3207]

HuntHussle is definitely a hazard PvP wise but I feel like he would need a strong comms/tracker. The previous game he was in had a really good tracker on the team as well.

[@gordonjiang6468]

bro fire calling the grubs filthy creatures made me laugh so fucking hard at like 2 am

[@Salgood01]

Honestly them killing the creature so he couldn’t pogo in was pretty the smartest move I’ve seen the hunters do.

[@Misspupperz]

I always love watching these games, the hide and seek is so fun! Your written commentary is also hilarious. Have you ever thought about being a hunter for a game, chasing down someone else? It'd be really interesting to see how your perspective changes from being on the other side of the dynamic. I'll keep watching no matter what you do, as long as you keep having fun!

[@gemmadiamond6559]

It's a shame the hunters used infinite map time, I think it would have been more interesting the way the rules are intended to be. Nevertheless, great video! Always love watching these.

[@galaxyfam6471]

I think making it so you can only see where fire last benches would be interesting. It would add risk/reward to benching.

[@the_furf_of_july4652]

Yeah, I think having map not only hurt them by making them want to chase you, but all but completely removed stealth or weird routing as an option. Them immediately knowing which stag station you went to is a pretty big killjoy, but it’s still fun hearing them scramble to get there in time and failing

[@whiteraven9588]

The Sly move was incredible

[@TheAdvertisement]

1:38 Alprechim: We aren't allowed to use any benches are we? Narration: _They were._ 7:04 Pffft Tw1nk being a little shark.

[@blockmath_2048]

17:03 I love how the hunters literally narrated what he was doing by accident

[@Blind3866]

WOO! Haven;t Clicked a Video so fast in weeks! I love these PVP Matches! I am curious. Is the Nailmaster Glory idea no longer..Feasible? Or is it just based on what time you have. I know one of your previous ones you went for that and it went pretty well

[@elanorochka4099]

I think this is cause Cyclone slash was banned, so it isn't possible to get Nailmaster Glory (or too much time to take skill you aren't using)

[@Blind3866]

@@elanorochka4099 banned? Why?

[@Aenorial]

I guess it's because it makes the run either quite simple for fire not having to aim his slash at hunters or makes the run pretty much impossible if 4 hunters can cyclone slash and quite litterally create area denial with a bit of spamming and coordination. I remember a run with a particularly chaotic Umu arena exit caused by cyclone slash

[@elanorochka4099]

@@Blind3866 yeah, there was a run where everyone was using Cyclone drop - speedrun technique, where Cyclone clash is using to drop down very fast (smth with it reset your falling speed). And it deals 2 DMG. Uumu and THK was chaotic (fire won the run, but it was very... Chaotic). After that run Cyclone clash was banned

[@Blind3866]

@@elanorochka4099 Makes sense

[@grumblebee8115]

Picking up that thorns of agony was a god gamer move

[@wormmm_h]

I really enjoy the more tactical style of "speedrunner vs hunters" instead of: "DrEAm CoME HEre I wANT BLoOd!!!!!!!" Followed by terrified screaming, repeated for an hour. Instead, this is actually a little cool to listen to, as the opponents form strategies and try to read where you are going.

[@nomix5176]

Yeah, the first speedrunner vs hunter videos were more interesting imo

[@wolfnx336]

This might be one of the most satisfying hunter vs speed runner yet, Fire really was an unstoppable force of nature in this one

[@keasy6410]

i love how refined fire runs are now. like, even though hunters used the map, he still won with twenty minutes left. also, can we get another speedruners vs titans? this was the best

[@Firefly256]

Because the hunters only had 3 masks lol

[@keasy6410]

@@Firefly256 wasn't it that way in previous videos as well? that hunters only had three

[@Firefly256]

@@keasy6410 they get an extra one after the speedrunner gets dash, but since fire didn’t give the rules to the hunters they didn’t know

[@Pebls]

You’re a god in this video. Each hit practically kills them, and you fire off spells like crazy, you’re nail swings are perfectly timed with their dashes, and you are a complete badass, so much fun to watch.

[@Coffmaestro]

This episode is hella asmr! I find myself coming back to it just for the snacky sounds of keyboard presses.

[@marlin3793]

Another great video as always fire, but an idea I had was if you gave yourself like 2 and a half hours as well as the hunters more lifelines but you have to get every skill. However, you don't tell the hunters this, you just tell them that there is an extra requirement. This would make it really interesting in that if the hunters figured out that you have to get all skills, that could make the meta of the game a lot more complicated with more places to defend late-game.

[@bruhineedaglassofwater]

These speedrunner vs hunter videos are always entertaining

[@Swordsmage]

I normally like these videos for the mind games and jukes, but they were able to stay on him for the entire time and still couldn't get a kill. Fire taking them one after another like John Wick.

[@nataliakowalska8553]

From the sounds of it, their keyboards are also fighting for survival!

[@riflebirb435]

I wish fire would post the unedited versions of these, it would be fun to see the full process!

[@SLizleDrizle]

Loved the video as I always do!

[@meissmart6678]

So, wacky idea for a new rule system in future installments. What if the hunters were also forced to start from a new save and collect their own items? I could see some interesting strategies develop from delegating a couple hunters to slowing Fire down while having others grab a bunch of items and get really strong. It would also take away some of the imbalance which emerges once the runner stockpiles a bunch of masks and offensive moves. The main thing that worries me is whether it’s too OP for hunters to have spells.

[@shrikefire]

i think this type of game will be so much better in silksong. i can’t wait to see hornet chasing after another hornet as the sprint, leap, and grapple all over the place. i think the large scale of the map along with hornet’s crazy movement will expand on this idea in such a good way. and i think the new crest system will be so cool as the hunter could get different crests allowing better attacks and movement to outplay the hunters and i am so excited to see how the tools interact with the hunters and how they will effect the fighting. but for now this was a blast to watch!

[@ArcCryptidArt]

Sad Metal Gear music followed by Kirby upbeat music is so funny XD

[@DingoNuttDoug_J]

HOLY CRAP, I JUST WATCHED THE LAST ONE AND WAS WONDERING WHERE THE NEW ONE IS, GREAT TIMING! I AM SO EXCITED!

[@airfryerman458]

had me at the edge of my seat-- both parties did so well!

[@brogchamp6106]

it's funny cause these were some of the most interesting chases you've had but it put a lot of the quick plays and deception on the back burner, fun video overall

[@youraveragenobody4228]

The fact that this is still fun to watch is incredible keep up the great work

[@Hadeles]

8:50 yee SHAW SHAWnet SHAWdiance SHAWrrel SHAWb0rn SHAWchild The SHAWllow Knight The SHAW King SHAWnomon The Teacher SHAWrrah The Beast SHAWderbug SHAWte SHAW Eater lol all the shaws

[@Netsuki]

3:40 I finally managed to do that Vengefly pogo trick to get to the grub yesterday. What if... Gruzfather and Grubmother? Funny and crazy episode 😂

[@shinejnn2]

This speedrunner vs hunter series is soo addicting to watch! More please :)

[@wiwwymawtin2774]

these are my favorite kinds of videos! I haven't actually beaten Hollow Knight yet myself so I always skip the ending so THK fight is new, but I love watching these vids.

[@conjured_cow]

the aggressive keyboard clicks are so funny XD makes these all the more entertaining

[@Unknown-yy9os]

*litteraly me when someone's teaming: *Ultra mode activate*

[@zergrush8709]

fun video! I used to shy away from speedrunner vs hunters videos but now I realize they are pretty fun

[@necrowdancing]

Multiplayer idea: Abyss Climb Battle Royal Try to make pale king happy by proving yourself to be the most thoughtless vessel by attacking anyone who comes in your path to ascension.

[@fantasyshadows3207]

Okay, things I have noticed in Fire's usual routing: - don't assume that just because there is dark room, that Fire will go there later (than you expect). Sometimes he might have already purchased lantern or have done it in the dark. - if he has suddenly disappeared, make sure there is at least one person by soul sanctum. Especially if that place is free, he will go there. - generally he will avoid areas with four hunters (especially early game) unless there is no other choice. This often changes his strategy and route. Strategy wise, it would be best to force him to reroute and readapt his run. This stalls for time but unfortunately will make it harder to track. - he would generally go with get False knight and Venge-Spirit, mothwing cloak and then claw. There might be an exception to this but that's the basic gist. Afterwards he would generally go for Lantern to dark room CP (he might memorize or forget who knows) or go for other upgrades like masks and nails. - best to stall him at Teacher's Archives, it used to be easier to do it at Watchers Knights but then there was walls to keep other fighters out. He generally would clear out Beast Den in order to avoid these bottleneck circumstances.

[@fantasyshadows3207]

Occasional damaging charms he may go for in different BugHunts include Spore Shroom, Nailmasters Glory (actually not sure of this one), and Thorns of Agony. Generally would stick to Shaman's Stone

[@agmakeithappen4213]

Sadly i cant see this one today gtg to sleep but cant wait to see it tmr mornin :D its probbaly amazing as usual :D

[@Tardu00]

There is two type of speedrunner vs hunter THKs: 1) I had 10/20/30 mins so I could try x times 2) F:I did it H: What?! F: I finished the game

[@thechars569]

I love that he still won despite them checking the map freely. lol

[@foxboxboxfox]

amazing plays all around again, and wonderful music choice! fear factory is a banger, lol

[@PandaKeine]

Fire forgets level Hunter: "I think he's just trying to duck with me"

[@thehonorableshadow9530]

17:04 nah, that's absolutely insane.

[@Redstoner34526]

It’s always fun to see what new tactics fire uses in his speed runner vids

[@TheImmortalMushroom]

Just watching Fireb0rn makes me better at HK I'm not even joking just watching these speedrunner vs hunters videos has made me start to incorporate nail arts and spells more into my combat without even have noticing at first

[@Slazaryn]

always super fun to watch these and as always the hunters instantly have no clue what they can and can't do :P

[@bridgeseller7004]

Jumpscare from acid pool at 7:09 was fun

[@dulence2433]

This is the most stressful speedruner vs hunters, hats off to you fire

[@aeae550]

Once in a lifetime moment of fire not cutting out saving grubs and thanking thorns of agony

[@unknown20005]

i am always happy to find a new video from you your like dream but for hollow knights and i found you actually as a suggestion from youtube cause dream subscribers watch your videos so it suggested me to your channel and it helps pass the time until dream is back from hiatus and makes more videos in a few months from now

[@Green_Magolor_Gijinka]

32:30 Ah yes my favorite boss music *Popstar*

[@Solizeus]

Can't believe you called the poor grubs filthy creatures

[@rbrnnova8396]

Great video, consistently the best content on this channel Thorns charm might need to have its notch cost increased for pvp though xd

[@21y15]

Thank you fire for bringing joy to my life!

[@CringeBasedLifeform]

i love how can tell whenever bert does a wall jump because he literally just punches his keyboard

[@jollygarchomp45]

I love all your videos but this has to be my favorite series you do!

[@mjuno2909]

the map miscommunication is a happy accident cus nothing is funnier than thinking about the moments when fire was trying to sneak around/go unexpected places and him being like HOW DO THEY KNOW IM HERE

[@toogoodforaname4041]

i find it hilarious how he sais i bet hes going to dirtmouth as hes going to dirtmouth, and then sais i bet hes going to crossroads as fire realises he made a mistake.

[@nemu4754]

Cutscene thorns kill is kinda crazy

[@Firefly256]

If you try to die at salubra to preform shade skip, but the hunters kill you in the process, does that count as a shade skip or does that take 5 minutes off? Also, does shade skip by dying to hunters lose time? For example if you try to die by hunters at crossroads-to-fungal room

[@fireb0rn]

That's kind of a gray area to be honest. If I'm already damage tanking to Shade Skip, I wouldn't count that as a time loss, but if they're killing me, I can't run away and call it an attempt at shade skipping. I also generally don't shade skip often in these games anyway because it's really tough with hunters around.

[@7Roxer]

7:08 perfectly timed with the music

[@photonic083]

True ending Speedrun would be very interesting as there are many more key spots to defend. Regarding the balance changes, no I think bench healing should be kept.

[@raphaelfelix3690]

I always disliked that the hunters don't have much to do. So I thought that maybe hunters have to pay Essence for Maptime and such things wich they can earn normally and they would have like a starting amount. Otherwise really love this mode and I am looking forward to more speedruners vs hunters!

[@Aenorial]

Hunters usually don't have access to the map. They used it here due to a communication error regarding the rules, but they are meant to only be allowed to open the map once each. Also hunters can't get essence since there are no mobs on their end. They only see fire and their essence is meant to be used on dreamgate uses, which are also limited by their starting essence pool

[@gaetanomartire7605]

The trick at 20:03 was so sick.

[@orcus307]

3:42 Fire called the grubs as filthy creatures.

[@aurorareed31127]

I was watching the randomizer randomizer and have been refreshing the page all day for this vid

[@flowuhtube]

this series rules but itd be fun to see the hunters win for once LOL you're so damn good at the game

[@Cman04092]

Honestly, i think the accidental cheating might have hurt them more than helped. Most hunters try to get ahead, but these guys were constantly chasing him, meaning they never really ambushed him or trapped him the way some hunters have.

[@Vergil_sparda1987]

This whole experience is hollow knight exept you robbed a bank and now the police are after you

[@freddie675]

have some free algorithm :) i love your videos, watched this twice over already. GG.

[@timtsai9285]

20:00 that was one hell of a juke

[@10jimmy]

*1lifeline each* Also them: on map the entire game

[@opheliaelizabeth5646]

A super interesting element to add would be if Hunters were allowed to DG, but they had to get the essence for it themselves! If bosses only dropped enough essence for one or two DG uses, so they would have to take time out of hunting the runner down to gather enough to use! Then they could, ideally, use the gate a few times before the final boss, but they would have to weigh the uses against the time it takes them to kill each dream boss!

[@cripis4605]

"Ohhhhhhhh FIRE" -Hunters from a different game