Home RenoVision DIY's Fence Doesn't Even Make Sense!

It's the final part in our series on Home RenoVision DIY's newest fence build and we're still struggling. Let's watch the guys put up pickets and stain this fence. Can it get any worse? Let's find out!
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[@thescottishlion]

I like Jeff, he seems like a good genuine guy. Some of his tactics may be questionable, but he seems to care about what he putting out.

[@MrRaptorman1975]

What in the world are you talking about? I have followed Jeff for 6 years now and he is a hack who doesn't know what he is doing and doesn't care at all on how he gets to the finish line. He always talks about not being perfect and it's "good enough". He's a joke and hack at nearly everything he does. He even violates YT TOS by selling his products without labeling his videos as a distributor.

[@user-kk5vi2tp3j]

Being a nice guy and somewhat entertaining is misleading if you actually don’t know what you are doing

[@EricDavisED]

I also like Jeff a lot. Some of the times he does point out that he is going, at times, the quick and affordable route. His work is genuinely pretty solid. But like I said, he will point out practical things he does to get the job done with the tools you happen to have and that inspires me. I also appreciate this channel too! Feedback is always important. Edit: The one thing I have always been critical of Jeff and other channels is the lack of respirators, safety glasses, etc.

[@JoeEverest]

Thanks for watching and weighing in!

[@Scratch-That91]

I love the stain part where the guy uses the newly stained fence to support himself. Staining his hand

[@woodworkerroyer8497]

Every time I watch his videos, I think of Red Green. I think this is Red Green's nephew, and he's trying to look like a pro.

[@Lying992]

Just finished our fence. About 250ft total perimeter. Took about 2 1/2 months of working on it on the weekends. I took my time and tried to do the best i could the whole time. It turned out pretty good. I would never do it again, and i now have a new respect for guys that build fences everyday. The fact that they can get it to look so good and are so efficeint. It is a lot of work.

[@aaronherman3489]

Same bro except I would try it again because now I now all the shit not to do 😭 #respect

[@hatesfreedom]

ah the Home Renovision channel. At first I loved their videos, but the longer I was a homeowner and the more DIY projects I did, the less I found his videos to be helpful or right. So that's all I can say about. I'd never recommend that channel anymore. Go watch Vancouver Carpenter instead.

[@badmotherhumper]

Ben rocks!

[@kathyr.6825]

I try to watch many videos before I attempt a project. During Covid I found that channel and loved it. I was a beginner diyer. Mostly the videos are just too long but these days I’m loving Drew’s work at Drew Builds Stuff. I can only aspire to that level of craftsmanship..! ❤😊 Thank you for sharing your expertise here. I wanna build my own fence at some point to replace my lovely chain link! 58 yo female working alone 🎉❤ 💪

[@ssiven]

I found the painting and drywall videos the most helpful out of all Jeff videos.

[@MrRaptorman1975]

@@ssiven and they were all terrible videos. His hanging and finishing techniques are horrible. I've seen Home Depot workshops from sales associates with more productive information.

[@NasTwice]

I see Jeff as a general contractor and a "flipper", a jack of all trades but master of none. When I want to do a project, I check his videos on the matter to get a baseline and say "This is the minimum while cutting some corners". Then I go see other videos to get more details. It also helps that we are in the same city so when he's quoting municipal or provincial laws and norms, I know they apply to me as well. Also, when he uses a tool or product I've never seen before, I know I can go buy it within the city instead of finding out it's something that's only found in the USA. Now his fence videos, to me, they're weird and I don't trust them. I remember in one of his shed videos, he had contractors build a fence while he filmed that project. So he's not a fence guy and he knows it. The one that irks me the most is the measuring part, in his deck and shed videos, he preaches "Measure twice, make sure everything is square, level and plumb", "It's always better to spend a little more to make sure it's sturdy, that way it will last decades" and "When everything is well measured in the beginning, everything is straight and level at the end with minimal adjustment". Why so much approximation for fences ??

[@GonzaHero]

I got the sense on this particular project that Jeff took a very “can’t see it from my house” approach which isn’t his normal approach though he does not usually go the extra mile.

[@treeamigo8447]

I get the feeling Joe loves this guy lol

[@neogx148]

Is there a good video you would recommend on setting post and all the tips in building a wood fence . Im curious on keeping the pickets straight

[@JoeEverest]

😂😂😂

[@mdmconstruction]

D and J

[@neogx148]

@@mdmconstruction thanks for the recommendation

[@chrislandrum4032]

We use metal square tubing for all our post and we have a nailer that shoots right into them with screws just in case you need to take them out. I say we use square tubing what I mean is, we try to convince our clients to choose them

[@jerrywilus1166]

Hey Joe, I had a question. Love your critiques. Helped me very much. We had a new cedar fence installed last September. I called the fencing company about staining. They told me to do it in the spring. Does that sound right? Is there a particular stain you recommend?

[@JoeEverest]

Cedar is typically ready to take stain within a month, as long as the lumber is below 15% it’s ready, an inexpensive moisture meter from Amazon will ultimately tell you when the fence is ready for stain.

[@garrysmith5224]

As Joe said Cedar is ready for stain pretty quick.

[@jerrywilus1166]

It'll be close to 6 months because of the winter. Appreciate your feedback guys!

[@jonathanjordan6371]

With cedar waiting until spring is good advice. In the winter months you can’t stain when it gets below 40 degrees, you will end up with a good looking job that eventually orange peels. Summer months you would want to check moister as soon as two weeks due to the heat. If you wait too long in the summer it will leave you with turned pickets. Honestly it really depends on where you are and the weather. There is a lot to go into when stain is ready based on location, material and material knowledge, like where and how long your material has set before use.

[@JoeEverest]

@@jonathanjordan6371 most oil-based stains don’t have temperature restrictions, it really comes down to comfort. In most areas of the United States a Cedar fence installed in September would typically be ready to stain later that month or in October, depending on rainfall.

[@davekushman2363]

We start with level 6x6 posts buried 4 feet in the ground with concrete around them as code in my area (same area as Jeff) requires but once we go to hang the fence boards you still use a level to get the first one that’s against the post plumb and then double check every other board to keep things looking good and proper. Never use a sawzall to cut a board that’s visible, you’re a professional, use a tape measure and a skill saw or chop saw so you have nice clean cuts. Eyeballing is okay for a diy guy at their own house if they’re okay with the consequences but if someone is paying you to do a good job, using a tape measure and a level is not hard, won’t slow you down and is a must to call yourself a professional.

[@aaronrodden8121]

Dont blame Jeff, blame Canada...😂

[@mufuliramark]

From this video, I would not want this man building any fences for me...

[@HowdyDo2]

What sealer do you recommend? Oil or water? I would normally want oil based which penetrates into the wood. I saw Olympic Elite stain which is water based. They say a 25 year warranty but I doubt it'd last that long.

[@fintiedfish3641]

I watched one of his tile videos years ago and couldn't believe it.

[@kentoakley9409]

I agree with you 100% but unfortunately this day and age people don't necessarily care about quality because it costs more. People want the walmart/dollar general version on everything and worry about it later. Some are even it will be somebody else's problem because they are not going to live in the house that long. I watch a lot of Jeff's videos and the ones he puts out now do seem to be the quick the cheap and the ugly. Unfortunately he use to put out better quality videos don't know what has changed other than maybe people commented on the videos and it forced him to take a different direction with the channel. Side note I am redoing my own fence and didn't think about some of the things you have commented on, like the reveal. So I went out and checked my and I luckily have my around 8". Thanks for your comments.

[@JestJynx]

0:39: ⚒️ Innovative fence installation tips and products showcased by Nationwide Industries in a DIY home renovation video. 3:18: ⚒️ Inconsistency in fence installation leads to uneven appearance and potential client dissatisfaction. 6:27: ⚙️ Inefficient use of tools results in jagged cuts and damage to the post, despite emphasis on cleanliness. 9:10: ⚙️ Inefficient application of treatment on pine fence boards leads to gaps and movement issues. 12:04: ⚒️ Inconsistent application of coating on the fence being demoed for renovation. Timestamps by Tammy AI

[@Handyman247llc]

This just proves the point, "Even if it is bad content", it's just more content and another video... I agree the top reveal is on the excessive side and it just looks bad. Even on my bad days I couldn't live to know I did such a crappy job. Fence gap on green lumber is just room to shrink and make huge gaps later (no brainer). I am assuming he was not worried about bottom gap because he was adding rock? Nice video review

[@TheodoreM-wp6cs]

This freaking guy again….hes the type of guy that makes us all look bad.

[@JoeEverest]

Absolutely agree, thanks for watching and weighing in!

[@trbopwr79]

Used staples for my pickets

[@MerrittProductions]

The roofing nails will still rust no matter what. I know from experience and if he’s using cedar he needs to use stainless anyway

[@garrysmith5224]

Agreed. Stainless is the way to go.

[@ryanreyes5364]

Didnt this guy try to give you a copyright strike or something for reviewing one of his old videos?

[@JoeEverest]

He filed a DMCA Takedown Notice, which is the pretext to a copyright strike. When we provided documentation of how we followed the Fair Use Doctrine the DMCA was reversed and dropped

[@ReubenKing-nd6kd]

Is there a tool that made for making your spacing on your shadow box of Is the best way just eyeball it

[@jonathanblack5597]

You can use a shadowlizer or you can cut a board to fit your desired gap.

[@mrushing76]

Can you imagine working for the Home RenoVision guy? Seems like a guy that's often wrong, but never in doubt.

[@Stevelemontrudy]

I don't know the right way to build a fence, but I remember watching the original video thinking to myself, "None of that seems right".

[@JoeEverest]

Absolutely, thanks for watching and weighing in!

[@OrganicGreens]

7:24 you recommend gloves when using a circular saw? I would never they could snag on something

[@rynhanson]

Your fears of his fence videos are the same fears I have about his drywall videos

[@ajdonally1522]

Love your content Joe...and I have Jeff on my follow list and i dont agree with alot of what he shows... however..i live closer to Jeff then you...and in Ontario Canada...cedar is not a small upgrade...cedar here is TWICE the price of pressure treated.

[@chrismorton1982]

You should his video on beginner tips on how to use a chop saw….

[@JoeEverest]

I can’t imagine 🫣

[@Winged_Wagon_Nation]

Cool jersey

[@garrysmith5224]

I can't think of any customer that would accept this type of workmanship. On the nails we pay extra for stainless steel ring shank siding nails. That way, no black streaks on the cedar.

[@JoeEverest]

You’re not kidding, it’s an eyesore on day 1 and will only get worse. Good on you guys, quality first!

[@treeamigo8447]

Stainless ring shank or galvanized ring shank for pressure treated pine?

[@garrysmith5224]

@@treeamigo8447 I won't do pressure treated fence. I only build cedar.

[@treeamigo8447]

​@@garrysmith5224 Where I live, it's all pressure treated. I'm still looking for an answer to my question.

[@garrysmith5224]

@@treeamigo8447 I wish I could help. @JoeEverest might be able to answer that. I don't know if they do any PT pine in the land of the big orange trucks

[@BigRedServicesLLC]

I prefer using decking screws for my pickets instead of nails of any kind I know it takes longer and is more expensive, but a screw will hold that picket onto the stringer a lot better than a nail.

[@jonathanjordan6371]

Actually ring shank nails are better for fencing. They won’t back out just like screws, are harder to pull out and faster to use. The only pro you will get with screws is it will make it easier to take apart but we build fences to last not remove.

[@jensvincent4702]

I use stainless ring shanks.

[@AntEloftheHouseofEl]

No Joe, I completely disagree. This is not acceptable even for a DIY fence. It simply isn't. There must be thousands of fencing videos on KZbin. I dont know about anyone else, but if I'm trying to learn a new skill, I'm watching AT LEAST 10 different videos to learn as many tricks of the trade that I can. Jeff bloody knows better than this monstrosity of a so-called fence! Did he and his son fall out or something?

[@dakotagraziani4947]

Funniest part of this series I’ve helped my dad build fences and do handyman work but this is abysmal I don’t understand how you can do this with good conscience to a customer it just doesn’t make sense.

[@peterman8058]

This guy is kind of like the new guy on the job who supposedly has 20 years of professional experience but then he starts work, and this is what you get!

[@themprestons]

Never seen this channel but I’m sure it’s like the “ House Flippers Channel “ HFC network

[@joejones56]

lol you might not be Jeff’s favorite guy

[@JoeEverest]

Man, I sure hope not!

[@Galgamoth]

roofing nails will not hold when wind hits that fence

[@dustind2487]

U better b careful. Jeffs gonna cipryright strike u😂😂

[@JoeEverest]

Already been there with him. We create the content following the Fair Use doctrine and document the process.

[@dustind2487]

@@JoeEverest great content Joe. Really enjoy it

[@34stzoo]

I'm a fan of Jeff, but I do know his methods are questionable. I am good with my hands, and I have the necessary tools and basic knowledge. Jeff's videos are a good starting point for me. With that said I would not recommend anyone to follow his advice when it comes to building a fence.Too many red flags for me.

[@richardhussey8388]

That guy cuts corners on decks too.

[@JoeEverest]

I don’t doubt it, thanks for watching and weighing in!

[@dejo095]

not to mention his fence is turned wrong. his nicer face of fence is looking inwards, never seen anyone turn fence inwards lol

[@ra4yu]

usually DIYers have excess time and limited budget on materials. Pro's would knock that fence out in a day or 2 and not want call backs but for a normal person taking an extra few days on details is not a big deal. If you are doing this for yourself, measure everything, wetset and prop all the posts, splice and rebate the rails in the posts, hit all the pickets with a block plane, sand them and pre finish them, countour them to the grade. This guys channel seems aimed at convincing diyers stuff is easy to get over the hurdle of starting, not exactly a good guide they should follow.

[@kristenmarie7093]

Come on guys.. Jeff is clearly hung over and going through a mid life crisis during the filming of this video 😂😂😂

[@JoeEverest]

😂😂😂

[@aarontilley2534]

Is it the best way, nope. However, he is showing the inept that they could diy if they follow along. Also in The People’s Republic of Canada a cedar fence board is $11.47 and PT is $5.28…so a big jump (1x6x6)

[@bababooey1266]

I noticed that Jeff is very on to himself like he does things so fast or tries to do them fast. Has that attitude like he knows everything. He also is obviously short tempered especially with his son. I too watch his stuff but found a lot of mistakes and cheapness. I don’t recommend watching his videos either.

[@JohnTheRevelat0r]

Who would want to spend time to build a crap fence on their $300k+ asset? If you're gonna DIY, take your time! That's one of the biggest benefits of DIY. You can build it by parts, prepare everything very well, and end up with a quality final product that would have cost much more to have someone else do it.

[@JoeEverest]

Absolutely agree, thanks for watching and weighing in!

[@sam.man.TX22]

Ring shank

[@overyourheadtampa]

I've been a fan of Jeff's for a long time and watched many of his videos including the movie he was in. This fence build disappointed me because he seemed to not care about the end result. It felt like a 'Hey dad, help me with this fence and I'll buy pizza and bottle of favorite liquor, oh we need to work quickly because the girlfriend's family will be arriving Monday so that gives us 2 days to complete and we still have to pick up the material from the box store" type of fence job. Not really a video worthy of putting on KZbin in my opinion. I'm not a professional construction-isto by any means, just very handy and have replaced multiple segments of my own fence over the years with good results, this particular fence video Jeff and Matt released made me shudder. Has to be one of, if not their worst.

[@JoeEverest]

Previous to this I thought their worst fence video was where Jeff was telling people they could install their fence with wood adhesive and brad nails. Then he came up with this mess.

[@dylanburgess4644]

the way he just straight up mocks the use of ppe in his videos was a huge red flag for how irresponsible his other advice likely was

[@csvinylfence6958]

Yeah I think this would even give amateurs a bad name. Even an amateur would care about the quality of their project.

[@theamaturepro]

Pretty low of you to judge this man like this... He's Canadian, it's not his fault!

[@JoeEverest]

😂😂😂 I didn’t think Canadians even claimed him!

[@ConnerKirk433]

I'd paint it all Black and call it a day

[@sam.man.TX22]

Used to watch his channel but as I kept watching more and more and many other people’s videos I kind of quit watching most of his. Some r better than others.

[@roberthoy9922]

All throughout these comments, I’m reading about making sure that the posts are level. What?? Level? Are people laying them on their sides? Or do they want to stand them up and make sure that the fence posts are “plumb” ?

[@jamescast899]

Roofing nails ! Wtf. Never

[@duanedodson1]

I have used a Sawzall to make all kinds of cuts and if you have the skill, you can make the cuts look good, but this guy does not have the skill.

[@Scratch-That91]

I will never trust this guys channel again

[@born2build_]

He has over 3 million subs and does novice work ,how ??

[@JoeEverest]

I’m starting to wonder: 1) If he’s actually serious or if he’s just making substandard content to generate comments. 2) How many of the subs are real, there are a ton of overseas services that generate “subscribers” using cell phone farms.

[@Slimpster520]

@@JoeEverestas an idiot who knows nothing about building, I watch him and take him seriously… and think of him like “a nice Canadian uncle who I can learn from.” I assume most people who watch him are similar to me, people who have zero skill and just need a starting point for how to even use tools.

[@johnmichael642]

Jeff knows exactly what he’s doing - quicker and easier for homeowners. What most people want. A lot of hate for a different clientele than what you operate for

[@lukemcevoy2385]

I watched his bathroom video.. seemed ok. but this fence work is atrocious!

[@kelliebag8826]

He didnt wear a orange shirt thats why its kinda not professional 😆

[@JoeEverest]

😂😂😂

[@davidwright6105]

This video just shows that you do not have to know what you are doing to put a video on KZbin.

[@AlexGidenko]

Man that’s the worst fence ever built.😂 First thing not wearing even any safety, and no quality work at all. #FIRED

[@billwatcher9321]

He's put the stringers and boards on the inside !!. It's going to look like crap from outside his yard.

[@MoneyManHolmes]

I always put the boards on the outside. I don’t want to make it easier for people or animals to climb into my yard. The only exception is when it’s against a mostly inaccessible area, like a rat run or another fence.

[@daniellanzotti2391]

At the end of the day it's just a fence. You aint building a house. Get that thing looking decent and move on to more important things.

[@source4painting1]

I am just as horrified in the videos where he tries to teach people how to paint.

[@dustinkrebs8229]

Ive seen drug addicts build a better fence than that💯🤣👏👏👏👏👏

[@JoeEverest]

😂😂😂 💯

[@jakepadgett5569]

Offsetting the rails is ridiculous. I just assume this guy is not a carpenter and is doing this for fun. Maybe for his mom or something. Definitely not a professional who is building fences for clients. He probably sales insurance or teaches English as his 9-5.

[@Jace-nq1ih]

Fence looks like shiiiiittttt

[@JoeEverest]

💯

[@1Tibs1]

Maybe you shouldn’t do anymore Home Renovision, the tension will soon erupt and we’ll lose respect for both of you, and I like both of you.

[@DanKine-sr3km]

I been putting up fence for 53years this jeff guy has no business putting out videos or putting up fence

[@JoeEverest]

Absolutely agree, thanks for watching and weighing in!

[@roberthoy9922]

Let you know what I would do differently? I’d do it correctly. If I didn’t know how, I would learn.

[@roberthoy9922]

I sure hope Jeff watches your videos. He truly needs education. Maybe he just doesn’t care.