Home RenoVision DIY Tried to Take Our Reaction Video Down

This is technically a reupload! In this video I'm reaction to Home Renovision DIY, but they had video removed on the grounds of copyright infringement. After proving them wrong, the video was reinstated. Unfortunately, all performance was gone. So we decided to reupload with a little explainer in the beginning to clear things up. Enjoy!
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[@jordanreeves1902]

Admittedly, I’m kinda a Renovision fan boy. Dudes videos have literally saved me thousands of dollars by showing me how to do stuff and giving me the courage to DIY. That said I’m bummed about the copy right claim but glad they didn’t pursue it. If I had to guess, it was probably a knee jerk reaction then they realized it wasn’t a big deal. His whole family is involved in making their KZbin videos and I imagine it’s their main source of income. I’d feel a little protective too. Either way, you handled it well, Joe.

[@michaziomek]

I think the issue was that you used a very large portion of his video with relatively few comments in between. At first glance this really seems like a steal. Maybe you could have cut the renovision video some more.

[@husher5142]

It's actually counter intuitive. The first thing someone looking for opinions on XYZ would do is go find the other guys video.

[@cameronempey8350]

His videos are fantastic ❤

[@dupontfraiz]

You should look up some of his lawsuits regarding his contract work, the guy seems like a scumbag who came into the youtube space at the perfect time.

[@leisureshoot]

I'd bet he didn't want the expense of filing in US court, since he's in Canada.

[@tspfull]

Jeff made a reference in one of his live videos to people who sit and make reaction videos. Kinda inferred it was a lazy way to create content. He was not a fan. Now i know what he was talking about. He is generally not receptive to criticism but I enjoy his DIY oriented perspective.

[@ikeo8666]

He seems like a pretty cool guy, he's just a tad sensitive to comments though I find.. I mean your reaction was pretty mild and overall positive, not sure why they decided to make a takedown notice

[@stephenspademan5146]

Compare Jeff ti Mike Holmes and the HGTV crowd and he is hands down looking out for the DIY crowd sirg helpful tips. Knock him for the copyright thing but he is one of the best resources for DIY on you tube.

[@_baller]

Same thoughts, he's a Canadian he's not use to any sort of animosity lol

[@akop87]

@@9ravitymusic I can totally see that. Getting views a revenue off of another person's original content. At the same time it's also nice to see one experts opinion of another experts strategy.

[@bigsteed007]

@@akop87, this channel might get revenue from Jeff’s channel but this is advertising for Jeff’s channel. I think Jeff should be thrilled to be part of the “positive review” series.

[@tyjones5019]

You're 100% correct Joe. It's not as structurally sound at all on a vertical fence. In fact, I used to work for a decking manufacturer that used the Camo system and I can assure you that they wouldn't recommend their product for vertical applications. The forces involved are totally different, as you stated.

[@JoeEverest]

Thanks Ty, I appreciate you watching and weighing in!

[@jasonwells7246]

Never would have even looked at their videos if not for you. Hope they realize your helping their channel not hurting it. Thanks for your hard work.

[@scrumpers9100]

@@JoeEverest One thing I have learned about Jeff is that he is a business man first and content creator second. I don't think he is big into the community part of being a content creator in terms of channel to channel. In terms of channel to subscribers/members/clients, whatever, he is very much into community. It is his show, and when you watch it you can tell that he HAS a dream and a business plan around his channel. His videos are pretty good too, though.

[@serge.crispino418]

@@scrumpers9100 - can't agree - Jeff is a train wreck and needs to be careful in giving people advice that is incorrect or dangerous can result in him being liable - cheap statements like 'money in the bank' and 'why get a tradesman' may get no sympathy from an insurance company or future buyer - just take a look at the hideous mess he made in his daughter's brand new house !! Channels like Jeff's will set the standard in You Tube law suit cases.

[@scrumpers9100]

@@serge.crispino418 I mean, perhaps you do feel that way. In a few videos he does acknowledge that you shouldn't do anything you aren't comfortable with. For me his videos are great for demystifying things like plumbing or tile work. To each their own, I suppose.

[@serge.crispino418]

@@scrumpers9100 - there are many excellent you tube tutorials on how to DIY correctly - Jeff's channel should be used as a guide and gauge on how NOT TO DIY !! never work on tasks that require a licensed trades person to complete and always use the correct PPE - Jeff the goat like to advocate the opposite of common sense .

[@justinsgarage1125]

Of course he’s a business man. He’s not doing this as a hobby or out of his mom’s basement in his spare time. He runs the channel like a business because for him, and a lot of others, it is a business. I can almost assure you that the meter Joe received was a sort of standard CAD letter that anyone would get. It is probably on the advice of their attorneys to not engage in dialog with the other party. In my place of business, if someone falls, we fill out an incident report. We do not give copies of that report out. As an outsider, you might wonder, well why not? Why wouldn’t you help this poor soul and just give it to them??? We are not going to freely hand them a document that they can then go to a personal injury attorney to sue us with. We have been in business for 40+ years and I can assure you we’ve seen it all and that is why we do what we do. Once we get the letter from the plaintiffs attorney I would never try to directly contact the plaintiff without going through our attorneys. In fact, I can assure you that Jeff and his team would never have went to trial. The letter, as I said before, is likely “standard issue” if you will and never intended to take it further than that….almost like a scare tactic for lack of a better term. My thoughts are that as long as you follow code for your particular area, you will find that there are many ways to accomplish the same task. In a lot of his videos, waterproofing a shower for instance, he shows you at least four different ways at different price points and performance to meet code and successfully waterproof. Just because you disagree with the process doesn’t mean it’s wrong. In this particular video, I agree with Joe. I’m not sure I would use this screw system with this fence,or any fence, simply for the reasons he’s mentioned(structural strength considering vertical and horizontal forces) but the camo system works great for decks. As far as what you should and should not attempt….it’s no different than the Home Again with Bob Vila and This Old House. Jeff goes into a bit more detail IF you want to attempt these Jobs on your own. Obviously, if you don’t know what end of a hammer you’re supposed to use, you should not attempt any tasks and I suggest you attend a few Saturday morning classes at Home Depot or Lowe’s.

[@rodneymcvey1059]

As a fan of both channels, I thought you did a fine job on this video. I consider Jeff more of a “jack of all trades” in construction. Where as, you are a specialist in fencing. I believe he had a knee jerk reaction. Keep the videos coming!!

[@user-cq6km9vq2m]

More like a jack *ff😅

[@chadharris7648]

Much respect in your delivery and approach with everything you do, much appreciated.

[@brookesedgedesigns9441]

I work by myself all the time. A squeeze clamp is way better at holding one side of a board. Clamp it to the post and rest a board on it. I’ve also done a couple decks with the camo system, works great does take more time and screws cost more as well. Be sure to add that to build cost.

[@jeromegarcia5396]

bro, clamps are the ish, either use clamps like a boss or run ten string lines to make sure being remedial is as perfect as can be 🤣🤣🤣 that tool is just making wood like trex decking, and yes takes way longer...

[@somecarpenter1]

Hi Joe, as a seasoned carpenter I'm very familiar with the camo system and like it but would also be hesitant to use it on a vertical surface as you mentioned. The screws are a bit short for that application (longer ones are available) and he wasn't using the camo tool when driving in the screws (can't be done without space between boards). The tool is designed to space boards apart consistently, predrill for the screw heads, and countersink the screws only to the proper depth. It appeared to me that he was sinking them in a bit too far which can weaken the connection. Aside from that and Jeff thinking he's a know it all and can do no wrong lol, I generally like his videos and think he does great work and provides invaluable information to his viewers. Also agreed with and enjoyed your feedback. Cheers

[@Jonathan-fx5pr]

glad you get to keep your channel.

[@robertpanetta7912]

I really don’t know what the trouble is with this reaction video. Joe actually gives Jeff about 80% good comments about his work and in the end says It is one good way of doing it .,.As a homeowner spending thousands on a fence I want to know everything I can . Joe’s only concern was the camo nailing system. Mine too. Nobody Likes to have their work reviewed so I understand Jeff’s position. Here is my opinion. Joe reviews one video of Jeff’s hundreds of videos and it is mostly positive and Jeff almost takes him to Court. This is what the world is coming too. I would of liked to see the two men getting together over a beer and discussing their own ideas and laughing at the end .

[@leisureshoot]

Hell yeah, brother!

[@RomanWeisman]

I stopped watching RenoVision after the guy used sand under concrete blocks to level the structure, and argued in the comments with people saying that’s awfully wrong. I agree with your comment about the screws the same as the so called leveled deck will remain such after the first rain.

[@barringtonsmith9147]

All credit to you Joe, for not letting others just walk over you without a fight back, most people wouldn't even bother ,keep going people are being edified

[@JoeEverest]

Thank you, I appreciate the support!

[@jadeblack4953]

I’m a fan of both of your channels. I’ve learned a lot from both of you. I think he’s got a lot to offer in his videos, for a wide range of different jobs. And I really appreciate your fence videos, and your review videos of other fencing methods. It’s nice having a second professional opinion on the way someone else is doing something. I could easily watch one video and think “that’s looks like a great way to do it” and not know if it really is good or not. I thought your review was overall very positive and you’re very honest when your not familiar with something or if you don’t have experience with a particular method, so it’s not like your offering an opinion without a basis of understanding. I plan on DIY’ing my fence when I can afford to (when the cost of lumber comes back down), and I can’t even tell you how many horizontal fence videos I have watched (it’s A LOT). I’ve seen some that even I as a very novice DIYer could tell just didn’t seem right, and some that looked like sound processes. So it’s nice having some videos to compare processes to figure out what will be best for my situation. I think you handled it well, and clearly you were within guidelines. Seems odd they would want you to take down a positive review of one of their videos. Either way, keep doing what you’re doing! Happy you’re channel is still here!

[@iksnivils]

Joe, you're the Rick Beatto of fence videos! Fight the good fight!

[@JoeEverest]

😂 thanks for the support!

[@Tiger-21.]

Great points about the structural integrity with the camo system on vertically attached boards vs decks. That’s why your the expert!

[@JoeEverest]

Thanks Rob, appreciate the feedback!

[@mikeolive7930]

@@JoeEverest Was thinking that owing to the angle entry that this might actually lend itself to structural integrity ?

[@toomanylies7716]

I like both videos. Very interesting!

[@markturner8954]

I watch home renovation here in the UK, I think they are pretty informative videos. I don't see that you said anything untoward, I thought you were very fair in your reaction. Keep up the good work, great channel.

[@victordean1089]

Great review. Certainly fair and not worth issuing a take down. Well done.

[@batman-pu5ef]

i dont think renovision watched this whole video. i dont see why they would want you to take it down. you gave all kinds of positive feed back!

[@dumboyoyo5245]

If you spend hours to put a video for your channel. And someone take it and use it for more subscribers (maybe, maybe not?) But who actually watch from 1 channel and go to the original channel and subscribe, there are, it should be few. Most likely, people would just subscribe the current one that they are viewing or best (they go out of the norm) subscribe both channels.

[@dawn5227]

@@dumboyoyo5245 exactly, this allows for more followers of both channels. I won't unsubscribe from one channel to go subscribe to another. I simply subscribe to the original channel and add other channels if I feel its good content.

[@TriggeringLight]

I appreciate the way reaction videos with positive intent help consumers like me get multiple perspectives. I like Renovision and Jeff. I've learned a lot from him. Your video was a good one and promoted his channel if anything. Ridiculous to ask you to take out down.

[@JoeEverest]

I appreciate the feedback!

[@carlosvasquez-xp8ei]

I had followed many of his videos to help me with countless DIY. I trust him. His intentions are to help.

[@dsaucerey5781]

I just feel like "reaction videos" are a cheap way of making money off someone else's work/videos. I can somehow understand his frustration since someone sitting on chair making money out of his work and his video, he spent the time and money recording, editing, building and explaining his process you just hit the PLAY button. Also he sounds Canadian so it would be harder and more expensive for him to follow up with US Federal Court law suits. My suggestion is to show your viewers how YOU would do it and refer the viewers to that video to see how not to do it. But just sitting there talking about this individuals entire video/work seems lazy and cheap; but that's how I feel about all "reaction videos". I like that you were very respectful and knowledgeable, I would just suggest you show us how you would do it right and refer to his videos instead of showing us his entire video and just talk. Wish you and Renovision's the best.

[@ruchirsajwan]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but reaction video does not monetize the channel reacting, but the original content creator.

[@tatsumaru12345]

@@ruchirsajwan whoever makes the reaction video, gets the money. It's why there are so many of them, cheap easy money. Same goes for people who stream video games

[@ruchirsajwan]

@@tatsumaru12345 I know that reacting to music videos monetizes the artist and not the reacting party. Don’t know if it’s the case here. If you react on a music video or a song, you will get a “copyright claim”, KZbin gives the money to the original artist. Additionally, if the artist does not allow the content to be posted, you will receive a “copyright strike”, I think if you get 3 of them, your channel will be taken down.

[@WizzardofOdds]

@@ruchirsajwan KZbin gives the money in this case to the channel you are watching the reaction on. The original creator makes nothing unless you link back to their channel and watch their videos on their channel.

[@nv1diaemail]

I disagree with this mentality. Creating and editing a video can be very time intense. Reaction videos such as this can provide valuable information for someone trying this DIY. Information that may be glossed over by the original content creator. With that said, there ARE reaction videos that fall right in line with a lazy approach. Again, I just find fault in the mentality that ALL reaction videos are lazy.

[@MrCpolzin]

I have two different sized camo tools. You generally leave the tool on the board when drilling and screwing as it acts as a perfect spacer. Great for decking but they ain't designed for fencing mate. Not enough bite..

[@beckjumper5787]

You handled that situation great. Very knowledgeable guy.

[@THEDUDEABlDES]

@@JoeEverest you should check out how he shows to fix a bowed stud. If you want a good laugh

[@sigdetcdr]

Glad you do this. Filtering out bad ideas from good from your professional POV is very useful. This guy sounds Canadian. Not that that’s a problem, but I used to be one and I have spidey senses for this kind of thing.

[@serge.crispino418]

el 'Jeffo is from Ottawa but has gone as far as Toronto with one video - self proclaimed DIY building expert for all of North America - just ask him - Bahahahaha

[@OU81TWO]

Jeff Thorman was a contractor at one point before doing KZbin. He's a hack and has a lot of negative feedback from customers he's done work for. He's all about money and doesn't like people criticising what he does that could potentially but a dent in his revenue stream. That's why he wanted the reaction video taken down. He's from Ottawa, Canada.

[@serge.crispino418]

@@OU81TWO - 100% agree and know of his background - Jeff has a good heart I am sure however he is driven by his nasty wife - I hope that potential DIY'ers look at Jeff's videos as a guide on how NOT TO DIY.

[@KenTooker]

@@OU81TWO I wish this could be pinned as top comment.

[@debbielockhart7762]

He's in Ottawa (I also used to live in Ottawa). He has a shady reputation.

[@the_judge_8262]

Been a big fan of HomeRenovision, Jeff and his other channels. Generally he has a lot of experience behind him which drives his advice. Though I'm not affiliated with his channel I'm glad you were gave fair commentary, just as Jeff fairly gives advice too on good tips etc. I find what Jeff focuses on is efficiency and simplicity, and yes that may not always mean neatness but on this specific channel he is aiming at the DIYer like me

[@schurlknight20]

Well we found Jeff's burner account....

[@the_judge_8262]

@@schurlknight20 ?

[@hermessanchez7955]

😆 hit the nail on the nail

[@amandag1329]

I’ve been following Jeff’s channel for awhile and I’m so disappointed in how he handled this! What a missed opportunity. He could have worked with your channel and again boosted both in the process. Your critique was profession, kind, fair, and balanced. I hope Jeff apologizes publicly. I hope his channel growth isn’t going to his head. Thanks for not making this ugly and for being transparent. Honestly, the only thing Jeff could really have good reason to be annoyed about is how you manipulated his photo.

[@amandag1329]

@@JoeEverest After commenting, I came across some fascinating information on that channel. Have you done any reading on it?

[@texasfencing414]

We think it is better to stay as far as possible from any similar interest content creators on KZbin, even thou the Fence Expert has outstanding points on many DIY reaction videos with this DMCA event creator community has learned again the ups and downs of KZbins policies which can be frustrating and confusing. We are glad we can see our favorite Expert back in business as well as Reno Vision for their interesting videos.

[@anncoats4466]

Wow, that is unfortunate, kinda surprised. Glad you got the video back up.

[@dawn5227]

I'm a subscriber to RenoVision. I like their content. I'm new to your videos but I cant understand what RenoVision would have against you making a review video on something they did. Your opinion was fair, unbiased and majority of it was positive. Yes you questioned the longevity of using this hidden screw technique for fencing but it was totally fair to question to ask. After all, as I understand, fencing is your profession.

[@chrisgraham2904]

@@bseely772 Spot On!

[@lokeise7endeuce10]

I’m a big fan of Home Renovision’s channel. I can understand channels not wanting others to use their content without permission. I can also understand doing reaction videos. Reaction videos are popular across all genres I follow on KZbin. I feel that your reaction was informational and not disrespectful in nature at all. I subscribed to your channel based on how you’ve handled yourself in the comment section on this video and you too seem knowledgeable.

[@shantanarain2841]

Love that guys knowledge like your channel now !!! Also not thinking that fence will last with twisting and shrinking there's not enough meat to bite on to face screwing will definitely last longer 😜

[@6offdutyninjasN1]

He seemed like he thought all his ideas were great. How dare you question his style!? I found your channel a few weeks ago bc a neighbor asked if I could replace her privacy fence. I've not done any wood work in 10 yrs other than build a case for my TV and Xbox, etc. and replaced the railings on my porch. So I needed someone to help trim the fat from my brain. Lol. You did the trick. I've enjoyed every video of yours that I have watched. The information you give overflows about as much as Scott Brown's concrete!!! Keep up the great content sir.

[@mikeolive7930]

Your first statement may have hit the nail on the head. Then again, it may have just been a social media tracker with an auto response.

[@rizocars6115]

I not only learned a lot from you that helped get a really good fence but i have massive Respect for you as an individual, never disable comments, always replying and standing behind your work. Thank you

[@busmirror]

Regarding your point about the angle not being as strong as face fastening, seems to me this method would be considerably stronger if you were to account for the 'angle of incidence'. Much the same as 2" of armor plate on a tank front becomes 4" of armor once you begin to lay it down. So in this case, the screw has to travel through far more material before it exits the stock.

[@hermessanchez7955]

Well no because the strenght of the armor is resisting impact force while the screws are resisting pulling force. Steal is not wood and they dont behave the same.

[@busmirror]

@@hermessanchez7955 Next you'll be telling me APDS & HESH are different from screws... You have totally missed the concept, I stand by my remark.

[@djexclusivee]

Jeff is super talented. The cool part is that its not just fences, of which he just taught a pro some tips of, but he know the same amount about so many other things. Well done Jeff!

[@stevenkushinski6674]

Jeff knows he’s a hack.telling people how to save money that’s not true in the long run. It’s the quick and easiest way to make the video. Must be a night mare to edit when he’s flying by the seat of his pants!! Way to go Joe good video

[@bertanatorful]

I didn't believe you criticized his work, Jeff is great at his videos. He is always very informative and detailed. I enjoy watching both of you guys. In my opinion one should be open to critique, It makes us better and reminds us that every one is entitled to their opinions. With that said I do alot of work but I would not be able to be as informative as either of you guys.

[@Fish6699]

I’ve watched (& Subscribed to) both channels. DIY is geared towards the “Happy Home Owner” so Non-Trades(people) 🙄 who want to buy a couple Tools and get their Hands Dirty. I think that’s a great thing. Way too many people can barely change a Lightbulb or preform Basic Maintenance at their Homes. DIY does show how to do some things without a Large Collection or Tools and how to do those Projects alone or maybe One or Two People who can Hold or Hand as needed. So peeking Peoples Interest and giving some Confidence only Helps all of us. Kudos to DIY 👍😉👏 That being said, I am a Lifelong Tradesman, the son of a Tradesman. I’ve never had a “Paper Rout” or “Made change”. Started as a “Gofer” and worked my way up to a “Ditch-digger” before earning a Journeymen Position in Residential then Industrial construction, then Transitioned to Industrial Maintenance. The Residential work I do now is at my or Friends/Family’s homes There are times while watching DIY videos when I kinda Groan and just say No. I don’t recall any Flat out Wrong things, so a “Weekend Warrior” will probably not Die , so 👍😉 Now in my opinion, he should welcome your(Joe’s) thoughts and advice when it comes to Fencing. I’ve helped Install and repair many different types of Fencing “Way back in the Day” (Hint: we didn’t have Any Battery Powered Tools) but now that I’ll be replacing our 7’ Privacy Fence with a 7 or 8 foot Shadowbox and have been watching Joe’s and SWI for months figuring out the best way to wind up with the best quality Fence when finished. Now I know I will NOT be doing it how I would’ve back in the 80s. Hopefully DIY will start collaborating with you (Joe), SWI and others so Everyone’s Content gets better.

[@papiwe1]

I am a sub of homereno I have always thought jeff was a class act.

[@dangerboy808]

That home Reno guy has no idea what he talking about with alot of things, hes just a diy guy has no knowledge about the trade

[@yonodc5705]

@@dangerboy808 looks like he does. Anything specific you have in mind?

[@dangerboy808]

@@yonodc5705 for instance when you install vynal flooring you are to leave a gap all around the room for expansion , he says those gaps that you leave along the wall are not for expansion at all ,its so if you need to replace a flooring in the middle you can use a floor spreader to separate the flooring and get the damaged flooring removed which is total bs and its impossible, you leave the gap because it expands and you cant spread the flooring and just remove the piece. He is just a diy so called handyman no knowledge just feeds bs to people

[@dangerboy808]

@@yonodc5705 oh he also uses tapcon screws for exterior projects when tapcons screws will rust. Hes not the brightest crayon in the box

[@MrEdolsian]

@@yonodc5705 Have you seen the episode for the concrete slab he poured for his shed? He has no idea what he is doing in that area. The slab looks horrendous.

[@Jordan-ws6jy]

Good on you man, well handled. Supporting you all the way 🤜🤛

[@Brakedust]

Yikes

[@gordonbradford1013]

You do know he is from Canada right... little harder for us to take you Americans to court. Regardless, you taking the time and making sure your not in breach of any rules/laws with KZbin is spot on. Shame they wouldn’t deal with you directly,

[@chrisgraham2904]

Your right about that! Luckily, this issue was resolved and did not lead to cross-border litigation. It would have been an absolute nightmare for both parties.

[@jpmangen]

I used the Kreg pocket hole system for vertical and horizontal build and building out door chairs and tables and found that the joints are outstanding in strength. I don’t know if this applies to the camo system but the angle appears to add strength when connecting the two pieces of wood

[@JoeEverest]

I appreciate the input!

[@fairbs]

the idea of toenailing or angling through the wood is supposed to add quite a bit of strength and if you go from the edge of the board through at an angle, you would actually be going through more material; it seems like the system goes down from the edge just a bit so maybe it's a wash in material passed through when you lose that little bit having all of the screws hide is slick which is probably the best part of the system

[@rogerbettencourt9654]

Joe, thanks for always trying to stay positive and maintain that “higher ground” standard we have come to expect from The Fence Expert, without putting yourself above anyone. Great job.

[@burntieburntwell7111]

Did he have to distort Jeff’s face on the video thumbnail though?

[@SAliAlmajed]

I don't understand why they wanted you to take this video down. I like their video, it has many good tips that you pointed out and I like your comments that help recognize and avoid the mistakes they made. I think they should thank you for reviewing their video, it's good free advertisement. Thank you for your reviews.

[@JoeEverest]

Very welcome, I appreciate you watching and weighing in!

[@bilobath6093]

I enjoy Jeff's videos alot He's very talented in lot of different trades Also his personality is very good

[@hawkeyebricks9905]

Is it really talent? I have none of this 'talent' but if I watch enough youtube videos I can DIY just about anything. Guys without high school diplomas do this stuff all day every day. I would say Jeff is highly skilled/experienced and his 'talent' is his ability to explain and teach.

[@jackfoxxx68]

@@hawkeyebricks9905 That's is a very analytical way of looking at things. I would agree, he is very skilled and experienced and does a great job at explaining and teaching.

[@CaseyAnderson-dr6bg]

You live in bizarro world

[@Deedee0007]

I literally have no clue why this was recommended to me, but probably because I have seen quite a few RenoVision videos. I am disappointed they did this to you because I enjoy their channel... Glad to have found your channel though :)

[@sean3836]

This was definitely 'fair use'. Too many people are happy to throw those copyright strikes without checking and understanding the content that used the original material. Kind of a shame, I follow his and your content!

[@1Tibs1]

Well, I really enjoy your reaction videos and your educational tips. You have valid questions, and you correct the errors made so others wouldn’t make the same mistakes cause so many of us who are ignorant watch and listen to them. Keep them coming.

[@JoeEverest]

I appreciate you watching and weighing in!

[@redshinoutdoors]

I've built quite a few horizontal deck board fences. Never considered using the camo system. A thing you definitely need to watch out for is inconsistent board width, especially with pt.. You get that piece of 5/4 that's a 1/4 or 1/2 inch wide, and it can mess up your whole line . I always bring my table saw and an edge router with me to fix these problems.

[@JoeEverest]

Great tip, appreciate you sharing your process!

[@TopHomeowner]

Great video. Appreciate the different perspective. Thanks for re-uploading! :)

[@gabrielpage860]

Jeff is a great guy and offers a ridiculously large array of content for no charge. Not sure how anyone could say something negative about him.

[@JoeEverest]

I don’t disagree that he provides a ton of content. Unfortunately, the installation practices he uses to build fences are unprofessional and will end up failing much sooner than a professionally installed fence. By putting these practices out into the world it gives the DIY community the impression that they are normal and correct.

[@PhanoftheShow]

i wouldn’t take it too personal tbh, i’d imagine they’re using some sort of service that flags videos automatically and you got caught in the crossfire.

[@ChadAmI80]

It stinks that happened to you, but honestly if it hadn't I am not sure I would have found your channel. I have been a paid sub of HomeDIYReno for over a year. I always though of Jeff as a class act guy. I saw in the comments that he did reach out to you and apologize. That is great. I am very happy I found your channel though. I have 3 separate areas on my property that I want to fence in. After watching this video I immediately subbed. I can already tell that your channel is going to be a big help in my fencing projects!

[@jonesgang]

To me that was an awesome shout out to RenoVision DIY and to go see more of his content. I also watch his videos and he is a great craftsman. If anything, this could help give him a boost in subscribers. To me that would be a win-win type of situation.

[@Boutys_mom]

It's literally called a "Positive Reaction Video" I'm sad to hear about all that unnecessary drama from team Jeff/Michelle. It seems you did everything right though - before and after.

[@JoeEverest]

Certainly tried!

[@joralriver9052]

I am a home renovision follower, y like the work he does, every person, company has different techniques and ways to work.

[@natedawg2p]

I dont get that screw system on horizontal boards. There will be standing water in the holes hes created. If the screws were on the face then there wouldn't be. Also because the screws go further into the board the timber would absorb more moisture as it looks like the treatment is only on the outside.

[@natedawg2p]

@@JoeEverest I sell timber, bricks etc for a living and even though I don't build fences seems like common sense.

[@barnstar2077]

Once the screw sunk into the wood, there was hardly any wood holding it in at all!

[@chrisgraham2904]

The horizontal fence boards in use are 5/4" thick lumber, so the CAMO screw grabs a 3/4" section of the board, which seems adequate and an acceptable trade-off to blind all the screws. The screws penetrate the post at opposing 45 deg. angles, so there is no concerns that they will pull out. There will always be greater stresses to a vertical fence than a deck, since the deck has gravity working in it's favour and isn't susceptible to wind forces. If this system shows any signs of failure in five years, then a box of face driven screws will easily solve the problem, but eliminate the clean blind look.

[@barnstar2077]

@@chrisgraham2904 - Everything is susceptible to wind forces.

[@chrisgraham2904]

@@barnstar2077 I've noticed that from the back of my trousers. A fence is basically a sail. lol.

[@anthonynaccarato8995]

With our Canadian winters, snow, high winds, frost line …no one uses foam or anything like it. We drill 4’ deep, use 3000 psi concrete and 6x6 pressure treated posts. This fence was an embarrassment and needed to be called out.

[@paulmckee8142]

That’s a job that he made harder. It’s a staggered joint, after the first timber was installed you just run the rest of it alternating. This gives you a nice tight finish. Hint , to stop screws from splitting the timber , cut the point off , then screw in.

[@lukemcevoy2385]

dow the rabbit hole of Fence Wars. Hilarious

[@Gabriel-vz7ml]

Thank you Joe.

[@JoeEverest]

Always happy to help, thanks for watching!

[@mkat740]

That angled screw if water seeps in the screw hole will retain water and decay the wood whereas on the face water would weep downward instead of being built up on the top screw hole.

[@jeffcard3623]

I think your criticism is very fair, and yu give credit where it is due. I like your professional insights

[@JoeEverest]

Thanks for watching and weighing in!

[@karenblake6616]

Fan of Jeff, and saw the original video before the reaction. Think you did a balanced take on Jeff's fence. Still a fan of Jeff - gives me a lot of tips for working on project, especially since I work by myself. As far as the quality of craftmanship, I have a problem with most of the contractors out there, and I usually have to go behind and fix what they messed up.

[@JoeEverest]

Thanks for watching and weighing in!

[@govegan0424]

Man, I am sorry you had to deal with that. Held Renovision in high regard until now.

[@ewdtrey]

I imagine it might even better than face screwing kind of how pocket screws are stronger than butt end screwing. Slightly different situations, but the concepts are similar.

[@shaunbrown1402]

I don't understand some people, it's all informative and in a positive way.

[@chrisgraham2904]

If Joe had asked Jeff whether he could use his content, there wouldn't have been an issue.

[@michaeldeboer5783]

No! I agree. That will look great right up to until the check clears.

[@michaeldeboer5783]

@@JoeEverest Hey Joe! You took the time to respond. Nice.

[@marcfavell]

Actually going through the side of the lumber like that goes though more of the board then face fastening cuz it's on an angle and has more holding force .

[@joshc8918]

It wasn’t even a bad review of the video. I don’t know what they were so upset about

[@Vader99ify]

I have been a long time sub of Home Renovations and came across your channel through the old KZbin algorithm and I'm rather surprised this happened. I mean, you never said anything negative about them at all! Hope it was just a misunderstanding.

[@hermessanchez7955]

Seems like it was a "sneaky" paid advertisement video for that system and they didn't like the simple questions over the long term weaknesses it had. They do alot of those "I liked this product" videos over there that are just payed adverts.

[@debbielockhart7762]

He has a bad reputation in Ottawa (where he operated). I lived there for 7 years. He threatens anyone who posts any negative experiences with him.

[@matthewortiz8737]

Maybe I don't understand what it is that was wrong with that video specifically or more importantly I thought you gave them high praise!!!

[@matthewortiz8737]

It just means you're doing something right !!! Keep up the work I really enjoy your analysis.

[@pinkrainbowkennelz1640]

U Positively react 2 & KZbin videos & KZbin enforcing u 2 take down the video😮🤣🤣🤣

[@husher5142]

@14:27 its likely equal, even tho there is less distance/material in spots, there is more sheer strength with the angles (especially for screws). Although you could make a video and test it lol

[@woofy548]

I don't know if Id use that camo system on a fence. They aren't really intended to support weight. They're really meant for trex decking.

[@joshuacheek5140]

I don't think I could have stayed completely positive in this case. Your a better man than me. I seen some good tips but I also seen a lot of questionable stuff. Without going into too much detail, I would want more stability out of this large of a fence and would have gone with a thicker 2x face board, thats if I was to toenail them. I would have used a high tooth count fine finish blade for a "nice clean cut" lol. A few dabs of stain on those ends to blend it all in. Lastly please use your PPE if your making content for beginners. I know back in my day I had no room to talk but after a bad incident I always make sure I'm wearing mine or anyone working with me is. Wear your PPE is the best cost saving tip I can give to anyone because PPE is truly "cheap insurance".

[@ethelbernal8938]

I don’t know about that cami system. Seems to me like double the work to hide a screw hole. I know nothing about fences but if you were that concerned would t you just fill the holes with wood putty?

[@chrisgraham2904]

The blind face with no attachments showing is just an upscale look. Filling holes with putty is not an option because driving a face screw should never leave a hole to fill. The face of the screws should be be driven flush with the board's surface to prevent an access point for water.

[@mikeolive7930]

@@chrisgraham2904 Exactly. Driving a screw past the layer of pressure treatment defeats the purpose. Glad you pointed out the right way to fasten the screws.

[@cdbbroadfield6154]

I did not see an issue with the video. Jeff is a great guy gives you confidence you can do things without hiring a contractor.

[@flaviokonti5522]

I watch Jeffs videos only for laughs 😂

[@DD-sf3ui]

I subscribe to HomeReno and like his videos. I also watched your reaction video before it was taken down. I have no problem with your reaction video (or reactions in general) and find them helpful. Why would I take one persons opinion or direction on a thing? I want to learn the best way to do a thing, not a single person's way to do things. I didn't find your video insulting or denigrating and thought it was useful and still left respecting Jeff's method and work. If you keep making reactions like this one (informative, non-insulting) I'll keep watching them, and I'll just hope that there was a misunderstanding on the part of HomeReno and their lack of response was out of embarrassment, and not some sort of indifference/malice. Jeff has always seemed like a good person, I'd hate to think ill of him. TL;DR - I enjoyed your reaction/review video, keep up the good work. I hope there was no ill-will on the part of Jeff, since I like his channel, as well.

[@johnsartorjr]

Water Level?

[@mielefido9633]

Fair and honest reaction video i thought to be fair im not sure i would have been so, lets say, diplomatic!

[@84bmw325e]

7:04 I use a 12 inch one handed clamp to get it near the position then use a rubber mallet to fine tune it.

[@maxwellhouse1902]

This Jeff Guy I have seen many of his videos and learned a lot. One thing to remember is that he's up in Canada and may be dealing with weather issues folks in the lower 48 don't have to deal with. Sometimes he throws out caveats with regards to climate. I didn't see major issues on your review. Perhaps the spouse wasn't communicating with the husband and things got ugly.

[@kanedNunable]

reaction vids are odd if you think about it. someone spends ages making a video. then someone can react to it and show the whole initial video with no credit. maybe reaction vids should pay some of the income to the original video?

[@davideastham]

I think I actually was one of the few that saw the original video? LOL Thanks for the 2nd look.

[@lancelavallee8487]

You are gold.

[@ClementDupuis_CISSP]

Welcome to youtube. They will shut down your channel without warning and this is why so many people are now using their own platform or competing platform with less restrictions. On this platform you are guilty until you prove otherwise. Keep up the great work.

[@mikeolive7930]

Interesting video. Not a fan of the 'offended' KZbinr for a number of reasons. Comments such as " will allow this fence to last for about 20-25 years before you start to see any signs of wear " (lol) while implying that screw holes will magically disappear as the wood will swell up and grow over the screw hole while stating soon after that the PT wood will shrink as it dries out. Can't be both. (That said, any screw driven (too) deep will sort of become hidden over time. In my experience and screw driven in past the shallow pressure treated layer will lead to premature rotting.

[@jrw10293]

Seen a bit of their stuff. Seen his personality . Not surprised.

[@BO_Riddle]

Of course he wasn't going to file a US law suit, he's Canadian 😂

[@nortonnewmann3711]

That's a LOT of labor intensive prep and screwing... for not that much gain. About seven years ago I built 300' of cedar fence around our back yard, 5' tall vertical pickets with 1/2" gap between. Drove four face screws per picket. I stained it honey-gold with WoodGuard because I don't like the look of gray cedar. From 6' away, the screws are invisible. It's ready for another stain coat this summer, but still looks practically new. It should easily last 20 years... if the posts don't "bottom rot".

[@JoeEverest]

Sounds like a solid fence, bravo!

[@Justforfun-ek7et]

Jeff and his group are awesome, Love their videos. Sucks that Jeff’s wife didn’t like your free advertising for the USA market. But whatevs, the video is back!

[@Justforfun-ek7et]

@@JoeEverest my pleasure, your videos are great and have helped me add value to my home and safety. Keep up the hard work brother!

[@Trashpanda_404]

I’m about done with the video and it sounds like you’ve been very respectful and supportive… You’ve complemented him on multiple occasions. You would think he would have a chubby that an expert was introducing him to a new audience and giving him complements…. 🤔

[@daoyang1562]

Your fairness and honesty about the whole copyright infringement situation has gotten my subscription. Wish you the best. We are getting a fence put up on a house we just bought to replace one that is pretty old and leaning. Standard wood post with dog ears vertically attached. After it is finished do you have any advice on making sure it lasts? The pickets will be cedar.

[@wolenv]

Horizontal fence are a nightmare because they eventually WARP LIKE CRAP so add in the wind+winter+post warping then you have an issue with the side screws.... So You are correct on this one :) it's gonna be an ugly sight :)

[@cfldriven]

Clever solution to getting the same video out for another run. Disappointed in Home RenoVision approach and refusal to engage in conversation. I guess money can do that.

[@johnwilliamson7081]

It was a positive review. It also got his video IN front of eyes that may not have known. They call it sharing for a reason. I don't see anything wrong with what you did. I now sub to his channel as well.

[@johnwilliamson7081]

@@JoeEverest welcome sir. I'm a call it like i see it kinda guy.