15" Ported Budget Beast! Tonewinner D6000 High Output Home Theater Subwoofer. Home Theater Gurus.

[@emillika]

I have two in the front of the theater and a Monolith 15" in the rear. Coupled with 6 Crowson TT's the room does NOT lack for LFE and tactile fun!

[@hometheatergurus]

Yeah that's a very fun combo for sure!

[@Bradimus1]

Seems like a good value.

[@hometheatergurus]

It definitely is.

[@LDBaha]

Damn, this is why I like DIY subs. I built two 15" with Stereo Integrity SQL drivers and I spent a little more than $1500

[@Cybertron-cs7sk]

Tone Winner is killing it!

[@hometheatergurus]

I am definitely surprised at what they deliver.

[@percybedford6266]

Damn, that's a good app. I wish my Monolith had one.

[@hometheatergurus]

Yeah it's super slick.

[@grahamherron6616]

What two subs would be best for just a living room set up about 2000 cubic feet size room could fit any two in opposite corners cheers

[@Bradimus1]

The only thing I would note looking at the driver is it doesn't look like it's particularly capable on excursion. But it still looks very nicely made and very reasonable for what the whole package is. A beefier driver would have driven the price up. You really can't complain with the beefy amp and what looks like a great app.

[@stevenfox5250]

$1,399 is not inexpensive, $1,399 is a lot of money. I have seen much much nicer subs than this Tonewinner d6000 for LESS than $1,399 ..... ie Monoprice Monolith 13 on sale for $1,299 and Monolith 15 on sale for $1,199 just to name a few. IMO $1,399 for this subwoofer is not a GREAT value. I think it's a mediocre value.

[@Bradimus1]

@stevenfox5250 I don't know why we're comparing sale prices as your value winner. Neither of those are cheaper at a regular price. I'm a little sour on Monolith as I had read so many negative reviews on service when something wasn't right. In fairness, I don't know about This brand. I bought an RSL myself as what was the best value for me. HSU would have been good as well.

[@jkfotonet]

Greeting from Oz. Thankyou for the YT review. Watched yours & Spec of Tech's YT. Demo'ed locally the D4000 & D6000. Both were impressive but hands down for D6000 which dug way deeper with more authority. Ordered two D6000 that day during blackfriday sale woohoo.. (awaiting delivery) :) Is there an explanation for all the feature on the EQ app that I can reference to? My current sub is easy with only 2 dials for freq x-over & volume. Thanks again

[@gab7344]

Hi I'm from Australia, I'm looking at buying the D6000, how do they perform. My room is 5m x4m, would they be too big for my room. Is 1sub good enough or dual still best way to go. Did you buy from selby

[@jkfotonet]

@gab7344 They hit deeper and lower than the d4000. Room size is similar to mine. Get 2x d6000 for the fuller room pressure. Never too much, just really satisfying deep thump I didn't get from my existing 12". Hard to describe but you will notice/feel it even without playing loud. App default at 41db volume which pretty much around where I have mine about 41-43db. Volume is not loud but nicely filled. Yes from Selby's. On sale previously at $300 less ea. Ask for deal if buying two.

[@gab7344]

@@jkfotonet I recently added the tonewinner 8300 amp, but now my 2 svs pb pro 1000 are struggling to keep up with the rest of speakers, after YPAO they are at +3, I believe subs should be in the minus range, this is why I'm looking at getting the D6000 subs. depth wise they are a little bit too big but at the price they sell for on sale I will have to live with. If I buy the d4000 I know I will regret not buying the D6000...lol

[@jkfotonet]

@gab7344 Grab the 15" because you already have the 12". it's massive but you won't regret it. My sb6000 sits on custom dolleys made up so I can move them easily. I would use the Svs 12" for the rear surround via daisy chain connect from the sb6000. Now you have quad subs sound effect! Looks like you're running a yamaha. Whats the 8300 like? I was looking at the smaller 5 channel to boost up my front and centres.

[@gab7344]

@@jkfotonet I'm not a audiophile and the 8300 is my first amp so I can't compare it, apart from tonewinner other brand Amps for the same price are less power and way less channels. I'm running all 11 channels with my A6A. And polk reserve speakers R700 ect. First thing I noticed was so much more detail and clarity. Rain now sounds like hail. It's louder but it's the detail I noticed more. I do have a very faint slight hiss in speakers if you put ear up against speaker which I think is normal. You can't hear it when sitting in chair. At this stage for the price I'm very happy no regrets. Only regret is now I have to buy bigger subs...lol

[@PaulRLight]

I have a really large room and looking for the most “bang” for my buck. What does this sub sound like with music? I’m looking at a 60/40 movie/music mix.

[@chandan6119]

are the compression test results done at 1 meter? is it in room or in a open space?

[@hometheatergurus]

Outdoors but it was freezing so they were backed against a garage door facing out and at 2 meters.

[@chandan6119]

@@hometheatergurus thank you,very helpful data.

[@ozpanther1]

Would the 6000 be better than a svs SB16, yes I know one is ported and the SVS is sealed

[@hometheatergurus]

I'll just say on no planet would i choose the sb16 unless i was really hung up on a "pretty sub". Performance to dollar wise it's no contest.

[@stusok6981]

Was that glue all over plate amp? at 4:53 time stamp?

[@hometheatergurus]

Yep, which is very good to see as we want them to use plenty of glue. Wood glue is used on all speakers and subs throughout the industry.

[@chebrubin]

Every soundtrack is different. You might need to keep track of the subwoofer volume in a townhouse.

[@PATRICEBAUDER]

Caisson de basse exceptionnel pour ce tarif.............

[@bencornejo9164]

Are you by chance going to review the d8000 ? Or have you Hurd it yet,or suggest it over the d6000

[@hometheatergurus]

Aamir has mentioned sending it to me for review so possibly.

[@TheNLHAZE]

​@hometheatergurus I have spoke with him about buying some of his stuff and he is very nice and easy to talk to can't wait to get my hands on one of the biggest sub he has no doubt 😊

[@hometheatergurus]

@@TheNLHAZE yeah Amir is an awesome guy.

[@GregBooth00]

Honestly torn between the d6000 and the rhythmic e15hp2 for music. 😮

[@alekk4592]

I got a question - does this thing have a midbass punch? I didn't see any of the comments asking about that. I understand that this is a 15", not a 18-21 inch driver which will have that for sure. But can a 15 inch driver actually give you a chest slam that you can feel?

[@hometheatergurus]

You can see the response at the end but midbass is in the target curve you eq in. If you're lacking in the 50-70hz range in your final response midbass will be lacking. Some subs have a natural response that peaks here so some may think they're better at midbass but in reality you need to eq a target to taste. But to answer, yeah, setup properly they rock.

[@benfinesilver2250]

Do you think they will make a sealed series too? I know there’s a D9000 coming out. Would be nice if there was a sealed 6000, with it being smaller. Thanks for the video. Sounds crazy, but I’m saving to buy either this or a used Velodyne DD+, both the same price. I can buy cheaper as I live in China.. 970 USD for either choice… There’s no import duties or shipping obviously. I know it is difficult to say, but which do you think (a sealed Velodyne or a ported D6000) is better for 2.1 music? Obviously buying new, you get a warantee. However, the Velodyne probably has a higher value if sold on as the original price was $4,000-5000 USD. Sorry for the long message. I’m sure you likely have good advice, so that’s why I’m asking! Concerned about discernible sound quality and not mainly output. Thanks in advance.

[@hometheatergurus]

Both the D4000 and D6000 are sealed by using the port plugs and selecting sealed in the app. It's covered in the video. If a sub hits your spl needs and is clean there's no reason to spend more.

[@benfinesilver2250]

@@hometheatergurus Very respectfully, that really was not the answer I was looking for. Measurements are one thing. The quality of what you are listening to is another. I don’t want to make you upset or denigrate anything you are saying, but listening tests mean the most. You have to factor in distortion and punch. It’s always a debate as to whether sealed or ported sound best for music. You hear arguments both ways. The answer can’t be given by numbers. As I have no means to listen to a sub before I buy, it would be good to have an opinion based on listening. I don’t doubt that graphs mean something. As the Velodyne is significantly more expensive new, I would expect it to have higher quality, lower distortion components in particular the driver and amp. There is of course a massive difference between the cabinet sizes and a bigger cabinet goes lower and doesn’t need to be driven as hard. It is possible I am wrong in regard to respective component quality as Tonewinner do make high end stuff that doesn’t cost so much. That’s my dilemma. No ability to listen and everyone has different opinions that make it nigh on impossible to know what’s best. Thanks for understanding. Not meaning to slight you.

[@hometheatergurus]

@@benfinesilver2250 listening test, you're hearing you well they're placed and aligned, how well they're tuned to the room. You can have the same subs sound horrible and sloppy then someone that understands proper setup can come in and move them, align them, tune them and it sounds sublime, tight, punchy, rich. Listening test you are hearing how well they're setup more than anything, unless of course they can't hit the output needs but even that could be setup, subs out of alingment or poor placement.

[@benfinesilver2250]

@@hometheatergurus Thanks. The Velodyne has auto EQ that’s supposed to be pretty effective. The Tonewinner app is easy to use. I guess it depends how good you are at setting them up using both music and bass tones to tweak them. The D6000 is pretty massive, so there’s only one place I could put it (to the right of the front left in between speaker and tge TV cabinet). I could probably fit 2xD2000s, but I don’t know if the sound quality of the D2000 excluding output is up to scratch with a D6000 (different quality components for the respective prices). It’s a similar price for 2xD2000 as for 1xD6000. Maybe by smoothing out room nodes, that would sound better. I don’t really know and like you said, without room testing it is an impossible decision, So I’m left with a choice of A)a single D6000 (the best output and has a 5 year warantee) B) A used Velodyne DD12+ (no warantee, but has effective auto EQ with built in mic) C) 2xD2000 (can smooth room response and 2 subs add up in output, but the cabinet is likely not as well braced and the components cheaper, so sound quality is not as good?) Confusing :) Thanks for replying.

[@hometheatergurus]

@@benfinesilver2250 every avr out that has auto eq. That on a sub is not a feature you should care about nor use.

[@TechyComputersMAB]

This or the SVS PB3000

[@hometheatergurus]

That's not even a competition. You'd need a pb16 to have similar performance.

[@stevenfox5250]

Why do you say that it's not even a competition ? The SVS PB3000 is a 13 7/8" driver, the Tonewinner is a 15" driver. 15" vs. 14"....not much difference ?? Both have 800 watt RMS amps. The SVS PB3000 uses a 13 7/8" driver with an extremely large XMax. The PB3OO0 Should be competitive. Look at the Audioholics CEA2010 measurements for the PB3000 as well.