GIANT KILLER! Tonewinner D4000 12" Budget Subwoofer

[@eyeshezzy]

that performance is amazing for price and driver size..95 db on sealed mode to 10hz.....amazing!!

[@jesseaylward7469]

Funny enough, I often skimmed through the demos in the past but I’m finding these ones more engaging. I like how you’re sliding between the video and driver views. Well done, Mr. of Tech! 👍

[@SpecOfTech]

Thank you!

[@ChihuAudioMan]

Would like to see you get your hands on an RSL 12s

[@davel4449]

So much !!!!

[@DustinFrancis]

Definitely curious how it compares to the Monolith 12” v2. Smart move on their part putting price and features between the Monolith and SVS offerings, but still looking like a better value.

[@davehilling3944]

The monolith 12 can go down to 700 on sales....doesn't have all the dsp and app etc and 300 less rms. So these definitely slide in between the monolith and svs in features but I love my monolith 12s.

[@DustinFrancis]

@@davehilling3944 I love all 4 of mine too ❤️

[@DurpVonFronz]

Still using a SuperCube 6000 from about 10 years ago now, thing is a beast but Ive been wanting MOAR! This thing looks legit and its the same price I paid back then. Nice review my dude!

[@SpecOfTech]

Thanks brother!

[@malkismceachern8329]

I like the demos..💪🏾💪🏾

[@utjoseywales]

I'd absolutely love it if you could/would compare this against the RSL Speedwoofer 12S. That's the sub that I have and it's phenomenal, plus hundreds of USD less than the Tonewinner, so I'm clearly curious how it compares. I'm sure I'm not the only one Spec of Tech, so please make it happen.

[@4.20.69]

X2 - I had an Epik Conquest 18” mini fridge sized sub but had to downsize when I moved to a smaller place. I was about to pull the trigger on an RSL SpeedWoofer 12S, but I’d love to see how this compares

[@utjoseywales]

@@4.20.69 I believe that the RSL Speedwoofer 12S will more than hold it's own against this sub costing $300 more, but that's purely speculation. I'd truly love to see you perform a comparison. That said, regardless of the results, I'll not change my purchase. With RSL Speakers customer service and tech support, it's clearly evident their focus is on their end consumer. I spoke directly with the CEO of the company after inquiring with a few questions prior to my purchase. He couldn't have been nicer (Joe) or more honest and open. His words were (paraphrased), "I want you to be happy with your purchase, whether it's with an RSL product or another." How effen cool is that, and I could tell he was sincere. Their focus is the (potential/real) customers. Plus, it's an American company (yeah, I know it's not built of American parts, but hell, it's about as close as we can get nowadays) and direct-to-consumer, so no middleman markups. Please do a comparison if it's within your scope of interest. I know that the Speedwoofer 10 won a lot of awards, and I feel as though this is an evolutionary step forward from that standout star. Please do, though, keep in mind that it is $300 less than the Chinese made ToneWinnerD4000. Even with that said, I like the RSL's chances. Super curious to see if I'm right. Keep up the great content SoT, love it, super helpful and informative.

[@danielwander605]

I often see criticism for no magnetic grills on subwoofers but most companies don’t use them on subwoofers for a reason. I only really see them on specific subwoofers that have a different style grill that are both friction fit and magnetic. If its a regular subwoofer grill then they normally use peg’s so the grill stays put and doesn’t rattle.

[@SpecOfTech]

I agree, that there aren't too many subwoofer companies out there doing magnetic grills. I can't agree with you on your reasoning though my friend. Most don't do it because it's a little more difficult to manufacture and still have it look clean. The magnets need to be recessed in the cabinet with the finish over top. This adds time and cost. I currently own the JTR CAP2400 18" subwoofers, that are down right violent with their bass. The magnetic grill is held on with nothing but the magnets. JTR subs aren't really budget subs, so they provide those types of "luxuries" lol. There are many other subs that do it the same way, but all the ones I know of are a little pricier versus something like the Tonewinner.

[@danielwander605]

@@SpecOfTech yea, I don’t know many subwoofers that have it. But a bunch of speakers do. So, I think it’s safe to assume that it’s subwoofer specific for why it’s not done. If there were other examples out there of comparative subs that have it then Id think it fair but there really isn’t. Could very well have to do with level of build quality also. Weight, bracing and thickness could all play in.

[@Johnnytrades101]

Great review as always! crazy numbers for a 12. What impresses me the most is the sealed response. May be less output vs the ported, but almost ruler flat without any DSP. Add a second D4000, bombs away! Your thoughts....the amplifier is very powerful, RMS power, and the exceptionally high peak output compared to most other subs. Could this be special sauce that makes the TW's so damn good?

[@SpecOfTech]

Thanks brother, always good to hear your thoughts. It could be, their DSP also seems to be very well done. Whatever they are doing, I would like to know, because it sure is working.

[@vincenthebert1608]

Like most have already said, Another awesome video Barrett! Keep up the great work bud!!

[@ulflarsson9693]

Sounds really good then. What was the volume level on the d4000 sub then?

[@peppersmith]

AWEsome, for Tonewinner!!! I hav their Processor very impressive. In fact i was the first in the USA to hav it first. So, the Upgrade world keeps on going...

[@ulflarsson9693]

How does the tonewinner subs compare to the arendal 1723 2s sub then?

[@siddhuy315]

I went to purchase D4000 and here in India we get only 1 year warranty, so I had to back off. Glad you guys are getting good warranty.

[@Lalosalamanca1122]

How much price? Where can I get one?

[@siddhuy315]

@@Lalosalamanca1122 Where are you from in India?

[@Lalosalamanca1122]

@@siddhuy315 south india, chennai

[@siddhuy315]

@@Lalosalamanca1122 I did WhatsApp the number for warranty information.

[@GaryWalters]

This is impressive. However the concern with subs is the warranty on components such as the amplifier. You can count on bigger brands covering you. It’s a risk/reward decision IMO.

[@SpecOfTech]

I agree. The Tonewinner has a 3 year warranty on the amp and driver. They are actually a large manufacturer, they may even be bigger than some of the companies you consider a "bigger brand". Cheers.

[@kixxoff928]

need a comparison with Arendal subs

[@SpecOfTech]

I might do a brief REW comparison on them. They are vastly different price ranges, but still cool to see the differences.

[@jlsnr]

I was looking forward this saturday... Yes, I really was! All the week was doing researches about these ToneWinner subs! Once more, a very nice video, Barrett!! I actually loved to know this brand and their subwoofers. Tell me, please, do you think that the $ 299 more worth, to choose the 15" one rather than 12" one?

[@SpecOfTech]

I don't blame you, these subs offer a lot for their modest price. If you have a larger or open room, I would choose the 15". If you have a smaller dedicated room, then the 12" should work just fine. The 15" just squeezes a little more low end, and a little more overall output over the 12".

[@jlsnr]

​@@SpecOfTechGreat advice! Thanks! I'm a 'low end bass head', I have a non-dedicated and no treatment room, it's just a small living room. Theres's space to place a 15" one. What could go wrong if I placed the bigger one in my room?

[@SpecOfTech]

@@jlsnr Nothing could go wrong, if anything you will just have a little more headroom for dynamic scenes.

[@jlsnr]

​@@SpecOfTechGreat! It gives me goosebumps, just to imagine this headroom! Thank you, Barrett! Keep up this good work you've been doing!

[@SpecOfTech]

@@jlsnr Thanks brother. There will be more content to come regarding these subwoofers. I wish I had more time to get them out quicker so I could move on to the other videos I have lined up lol...cheers.

[@1psxpat]

Nice review. Just wondering is it possible to include a group delay for measurements? Thank you.

[@kman9387]

For the performance and money no one can beat the RSL speedwoofer 12s 👍

[@SpecOfTech]

I know the Tonewinner costs more, but I have no doubt it would out perform the RSL in output, and it has more features. With that said, the RSL is a great budget option also...cheers.

[@user-to8zq5kc5k]

It would be interesting to test these at ~230V 60Hz. I suspect the amplifier's power supply would be more efficient and much happier at ~230V 60Hz vs. ~115V 60Hz. Same with the AD-8300 11ch and the AD-7300 7ch amplifier.

[@edwardsanchez3708]

They are calling it budget because of price but it's punching well above it's class

[@SpecOfTech]

You are 100% right on that!

[@ryangonyer9498]

I would like to see how it stacks up against RSL's speed woofer 12. The Rsl is $200 less

[@SpecOfTech]

Maybe I could get one in someday soon.

[@ryangonyer9498]

Yes! Do that

[@ryanschipp8513]

​@@SpecOfTechcool. No offense...but why is it a maybe? This TW versus the RSL 12 is the best clash of the titans.

[@SpecOfTech]

@@ryanschipp8513 I understand. It's a maybe because I don't know if I could get them to send me one for review, which means I would have to buy one. I don't know if I want to buy one just to do a comparison with the Tonewinner.

[@ryanschipp8513]

​@@SpecOfTechI get where you are coming from. I thought that might be what's holding you back. How about asking for contributions from people so that you can obtain one?

[@jtomaugusthy5986]

Went and had a look at both D6000 and D4000. D6000 is humongous. Looking at the specs both amp are the same with 800w RMS. Is it only the loudness of the D6000 is better than D4000. Or does D4000 give a cleaner bass? Cheers

[@tonyboyy9448]

J'aimerais bien avoir une réponse aussi ? Merci

[@dreadedtred]

Which one will pair better D6000/D4000 with the Tonewinner AD-8300/AT300

[@SpecOfTech]

If you have a larger room or open room get the D6000 for a smaller dedicated room get the D4000. Unless you want more headroom, then just get the D6000 and call it a day. Any subwoofer can be paired with the AT300 really. A sound processor doesn't really change what subwoofer can be used.

[@dreadedtred]

Barrett I don’t have towers yet. Would I be better to get a center speaker rather than bookshelf’s using Tonewinner? Towers will come next.

[@VinnyIyer]

can you compare it to the SB300?

[@SpecOfTech]

I'll see if I can arrange that.

[@ChihuAudioMan]

D2000 next?

[@SpecOfTech]

First D4000 comparisons, then the D2000 I think.

[@sanonmars]

Curious what is that speaker near sub?

[@SpecOfTech]

That tower speaker is Arendal 1723 tower.

[@mendiesel7932]

Bought two of these boogers solely on this review.. 😂 So far they are sweet. Sound quality vs SVS PC2000s is basically the same. Did have a ground feedback hum that I just got sorted, but man these things like to pop when they kick on from standby. Did you have that at all?

[@SpecOfTech]

Glad to hear you're liking them. No I never had a ground loop hum. That is more system dependent, not usually an issue with the sub itself. The amp does click/pop when it comes on. I've experienced that with other subs also, not sure why.

[@mendiesel7932]

@@SpecOfTech 🤔.. interesting. Well all and all awesome performing subs. Couldn’t be happier. They absolutely trounce my old PC2000s. Not to mention that the customer service was white glove level.

[@JonHunter80]

I really like the mode options. will this sub need a amp? I'm looking at the TW AD-8300, 11 CHANNEL AMP. whats the tower speaker next to the sub?

[@SpecOfTech]

No this subwoofer has a plate amplifier built in. Those are the Arendal 1723 tower speakers beside the subwoofer.

[@eddietours3728]

Pretty good

[@bric7244]

Barret I m interested in your thoughts on the 15" & the monolith 15" or the hsu VTF-15H MK2 .. I know it may be hard to say ,idk if your sponsored by summit or not but lol jus kidding with you brother , but interested to know ... I got 3 monolith 15"thx and love them so far hooked up to the mini dsp was unleashing a new animal..

[@SpecOfTech]

Haha, it is hard to say, but only because I haven't heard the other 2 you referenced. If I am ever sponsored by a company, you will hear me say it in the video. I do use affiliate links, but that is disclosed in my description. If you already have 3 15" Monolith THX, just keep them, they have great performance based on CEA2010 numbers...cheers.

[@bric7244]

@SpecOfTech you missing the jtr's yet ....

[@SpecOfTech]

@@bric7244 I still have my JTR CAP2400's. I do miss the JTR RS2's though. I may go back to them in the future.

[@derekhoshaw3072]

You going to do any perlisten sub reviews?

[@taxi615]

Man that's impressive makes my pb-2000 look like amateur hour

[@SpecOfTech]

lol, these Tonewinner subwoofers are no joke. I can't believe their output for their price. They have a real budget winner on their hands.

[@taxi615]

@SpecOfTech reminds me of the amps my 7300 still going strong after 3 years. Incredible company.

[@anonymous007advice]

The PB-2000 PRO out perform this Sub at the same price point. (108.1dB@20hz) without room gain.

[@taxi615]

@anonymous007advice I dont have the pro I've had these since 2018. And get nowhere near 108 dB and my room is 14x14x7

[@taxi615]

@anonymous007advice not sure what you mean about price my 2000 were more money than the TW

[@christisdale9977]

I have the Svs sb-3000,can you please do a video of the sb-3000 and the Tonewinner sw-d2000.It's a 12" sub.Really enjoy your video"s.Thanks

[@SpecOfTech]

The D2000 isn't a sealed subwoofer, just wanted you to make sure you are aware. The Tonewinner D4000 can be used in sealed mode and is close in performance to the SVS PB3000 in sealed mode. I would recommend the D4000 in sealed mode.

[@dreadedtred]

Hey Barrette Are you running sand in your book shelf speaker stands?

[@SpecOfTech]

I certainly am. I have small kids, so I need to do whatever I can to make them hard to knock over.

[@drpoomanchu]

Im interested in purchasing either tonewinner 12 or 15… we enjoy a mix of music and home theater movies. Room is 30x25 in basement with 8ft ceilings. Klipsch Atmos setup. 7.1 What do you recommend ?

[@SpecOfTech]

For a room that size I would recommend the 15" Tonewinner. I would also recommend getting 2 of them if possible. That will help smooth the response around the room.

[@drpoomanchu]

@@SpecOfTech thanx for the reply and enjoy your reviews. Keep up the great work!

[@SpecOfTech]

@@drpoomanchu Thank buddy...cheers.

[@garylethbridge6220]

Wondering how the RSL speed 12s would do against it ?

[@SpecOfTech]

I hope to one day get one in.

[@dreadedtred]

Need advice…I’m moving into a smaller A/V room temporary for 1-2 years. Then my A/V room will be large. Should I get the D6000?

[@SpecOfTech]

I don't see why you couldn't. While you are in the smaller AV room, you could just turn the gain down so the bass isn't over bearing. You would have a ton of headroom too. Then when you move into the larger room you could get 1-3 more D6000's depending on your needs.

[@dreadedtred]

When you say compress does that mean distortion?

[@SpecOfTech]

Not, it means the DSP is limiting the output to help save the driver from being over driven.

[@Thumpur69]

How does this compare to The Speedwoofer 12S?

[@SpecOfTech]

I wish I could tell you, but I haven't had the Speedwoofer in my space to give you an educated comparison.

[@coy9898]

Have you compared it to the tone sw2000? How does it compare to the 4000?

[@SpecOfTech]

I haven't compared them directly, but I do have the D2000 review releasing this coming Saturday. For the price the D2000 is a beast.

[@jlsnr]

Hey Barrett, could you please tell me if this D4000 can play frequencies the same way, in low and high volumes? I mean, are low frequencies audible even when volume is not cranked up?

[@SpecOfTech]

The D4000 is very similar, it just doesn't have quite the same output as the D6000. The D4000 has slightly less extension from about 15hz down vs the D6000. The D4000 rolls off faster than the D6000 below 15hz. Other than that, you are looking at just a couple less DB in output.

[@jlsnr]

@@SpecOfTechGreat, thank you, brother!

[@christopherwilson6825]

Love the content!! Keep it coming. But no 12" is a giant killer.

[@SpecOfTech]

Thanks brother, I appreciate the support. I get what you are saying. But I wasn't saying that this 12" subwoofer kills giant subs like 15" or 18". I was saying it kills other 12" subwoofers that are "giants" in the 12" subwoofer game. Like the 12" SVS subs or 12" Klipsch subs. It's a killer of the giant name brands essentially ;).

[@edwarddiogu6377]

Please how does this, and the bigger one perform with music?

[@SpecOfTech]

They perform very similar, the bigger one just has a little more output. Other than the bigger one have a little more output, they are VERY similar in all other regards.

[@edwarddiogu6377]

Sorry, I'd like to add: does the price difference worth an upgrade from the 12 to the 15 inches?

[@SpecOfTech]

@edwarddiogu6377 It's worth it for larger and/or open rooms yes. For a smaller dedicated room the 12" should be fine.

[@oahu_al]

I have order the D4000 from Summit Hifi and I’m looking forward to having it shipped. Does anyone know if it comes shipped with port plugs?

[@SpecOfTech]

I believe they do, but that would be a question Summit Hifi could answer.

[@ottawa99ottawa99]

Well.... How is it?

[@mystic7splace]

Would it be possible to do a review of the Emotiva MR-1? The only one I've seen on youtube is in Hindi.

[@SpecOfTech]

To be honest, I think I will shy away from Emotiva AVR & Pre/Pro reviews. I have reviewed 2 of their processors and found them to be buggy. They do sound amazing, but they are just too buggy for me.

[@mystic7splace]

@@SpecOfTech I appreciate the response! I have the MR1, it did have problems at first but it's working perfectly now without any firmware updates. I'm more interested in your opinion of the sound quality, since you usually compare products like this to super high end stuff. Thanks anyway. I really enjoy your channel.

[@MeTuLHeD]

Any plans to review the SW-D2000?

[@SpecOfTech]

Yep, I have one here for review but need to get some other videos out first. Stay tuned for the D2000. It is equally impressive at its price point, great output.

[@MeTuLHeD]

@@SpecOfTech Great to hear! I am seriously considering purchasing one. Hurry up with that review! 😆

[@donjaun540]

Very nice subwoofer. Have you ever tried a sound deadening material on your 🔥 fire place so it can't vibrate ❓ Anyone should be happy with this sub. 💪

[@SpecOfTech]

haha no I haven't tried that. It only really vibrates when I really push subwoofers hard for demos. During normal listening and movies, it VERY seldom vibrates, except for maybe the most dynamic LFE scenes it will a little. To be 100% honest, I kind of like a little vibration during intense bass, for me, it adds to the realism.

[@davehilling3944]

​@@SpecOfTech I have several swords on my wall makes for some interesting vibration during movies...lol long as they dont fall off of course.

[@SpecOfTech]

​@@davehilling3944 lol I see you like to live dangerously.

[@jamiesmith8307]

I might sell my X15s and get sealed where I do more music than movies nowadays. What do you recommend in canada of course around the same price of the X15. Martin logan 1600 I was looking at.

[@SpecOfTech]

I doubt you will get much different performance from the Martin Logan, they are associated with Paradigm, so most likely very similar performance. Why not get a subwoofer that offers a sealed mode like the Tonewinner D6000? You aren't like the X15 for music?

[@jamiesmith8307]

@SpecOfTech just that sealed is better for music. I love the X15 but people talking about the kick get get in your chest with sealed on music. I don't get any kick movies or music. Crazy bass but don't feel it in my chest.

[@SpecOfTech]

@@jamiesmith8307 If you are looking for kick in the chest. Just wait a bit, there may or may not be another new subwoofer coming out, that will provide EXACTLY that. I can't confirm it 100%, but if it releases it will be a dual sealed 15" that kicks like a mule on steroids.

[@jamiesmith8307]

@SpecOfTech ya but how deep will my pockets need to be?

[@SpecOfTech]

@@jamiesmith8307 It won't be too much more than the X15 retail. Maybe $300-$400 more, give or take.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Barrett on that subwoofers review grind lately 🔥🔥🔥❤❤❤

[@SpecOfTech]

Haha I got sent 3 of these Tonewinners for review. Trying to pump them out as fast as I can while working 12 hours a day up North. No rest for the wicked audiophile lol.

[@howardmenkis5252]

Tone winner,, nice! Might have to buy a few and sun them in my 6 sub system now where I use two pb3000 ! Got them from Amir before too!

[@howardmenkis5252]

Good review, tone has good stuff, just the name, that people don't like!

[@howardmenkis5252]

I have 3 of there amps as well, there good starter amps, but replaced them with the Anthem gen2, but I put them in my other systems yet!

[@howardmenkis5252]

🇨🇦👌👌👌

[@kevinusta7534]

Looks like a monolith

[@95Sn95]

"Budget" at $1000+? That's not budget, the correct word would be value,The $400 BIC America PL200 II is budget.... And for a very basic bare bones 12" active subwoofer it is very good.

[@SpecOfTech]

That may be your definition, don't force everyone to live by it bud. The PL200 is a great sub for spending less, but it lacks low end output for home theaters. Thanks for watching.

[@danielwatts9803]

Yes, Tonewinner subs are better than REL, RSL, Monolith, Klipsch, SVS, Earthquake, KEF, Arendal, M&K, Perlisten, Starke Sound etc. etc.. Get over it!

[@edwarddiogu6377]

Perlisten????

[@danielwatts9803]

@@edwarddiogu6377 yep, "Perlisten". . . they're not special, out with the old and in with the new & improved

[@catatonicgalaxy1471]

So my question is unrelated to the video... But related to an older video... And this is regards to arendal vs paradigm persona. How well do those 1723 THX towers stack up against that line.

[@SpecOfTech]

I can't really answer that, I have never owned the Paradigm Persona. I would venture a guess the Persona would be more detailed and more capable of a transparent sound. The price difference is so vast, there is no doubt the Persona would be the better speaker in all categories IMO. Take that with a grain of salt, it is just my opinion with no real world experience to back it up lol.

[@catatonicgalaxy1471]

@@SpecOfTech you also have to factor in that they mark up that speaker probably more than twice of what it's worth. Arendal is direct to consumer... I believe the comparison and price is more like $4,300 US versus 10-15000. Also for a super expensive speaker they're using a lot of plastic still for the housing which is very disappointing.

[@catatonicgalaxy1471]

I think a better comparison would be the paradigm persona 5F which is listed at around $10,000.