Honda Engines in Airplanes! Viking Aircraft Engines - Engine Week 2022

ENGINE WEEK - Let's talk shop with the engine shop that makes Honda conversion engines for Aircraft applications!
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[@patway4683]

I am building a Zenith 701 and was trying to decide on an engine. I have emailed Alissa a few times with questions and wanting quotes and she has responded within minutes each time! I believe they have a great product and excellent costumer service.

[@crazypeoplearoundtheworld304]

You'd better take their failures seriously. They have a lot of problems. Also, might factor the people who never received the engines they paid for when Jan went bankrupt. He's stolen aero momentum concepts and taken credit for things he didn't do. His explanations for the failures of his Honda engines wouldn't be accepted by any mechanic. He always blames the pilot. Then acts like he's doing them a favor when he warrants the failure. People who know him believe he's a lowlife crook.

[@crazypeoplearoundtheworld304]

They really pump themselves, but if you dig a bit deeper into Jan's business practices, you'll see a trail of unpaid debt, stolen ideas, and cover-up for engine failures. I'd never trust my life to the character of Jan.

[@kishorzare5526]

What is the weight of 3 engines?

[@RaphaHey]

Thanks for having & posting these conversations

[@Colin_Holloway]

Listening to Jan talk so passionately about the engines and parts is enough for me to consider this engine in my next build!

[@rob379lqz]

Perfect!😂

[@tyronealfonso]

I would never consider ant product from him after hearing how he ripped off people in his prior ventures. Viking is built on stolen dreams.

[@BartHull]

Look up Eggenfellner aircraft engines. He built Subaru aircraft engines before these Honda's.

[@milesbrown8016]

That is an awesome set up. Well done and good luck ahead. 🛫

[@Raypatrick66]

Thanks!

[@ExperimentalAircraftChannel]

Thank You for your support Ray! Much appreciated! :-)

[@porschetech72901]

the amount of data and info this pretty lady just rattled off top of her head when asked a question was amazing and impressive ..... i guarantee you i woulda hadda been reading from a prompter or something .... great job maam hats off impressed here

[@vindoll6237]

Brian nice job asking questions and putting together the video. Yan and Alyssa thanks for all the information! 👍

[@AeroworksProductions]

Nice video Byran and great to see Viking always staying ahead of the pack with constant improvements and available upgrades.

[@patrickk1966]

Love Viking for always trying to open and push the envelope and make our life in flying better on bush planes etc!!!!

[@bradleydavies3225]

A really useful addition to engine week, would be the MWFly engine out of Italy. A blank sheet engine with highly competitive power output, weight, and fuel consumption numbers.

[@raydreamer7566]

What a great update on Viking Aircraft motors including new high quality optional light weight engine parts to lighten the total weight of an installation if necessary or desired for personal performance ..... Wide verity of motor options in different Horse power ranges and now with lighter motor component options... I am always following this company and there developments. .. Keep up the good work...

[@jolujo5842]

Love your video. I have aerospace sattelite AIT (assembly/integration/transportation) experience. And you're shop and attention to detail for flight quality products is very impressive 👍

[@matthewstorm5188]

How about the J-series V6? They make good power. They’re compact for the displacement. And they’re probably some of the most reliable Honda engines.

[@davidwhite2011]

Happy new year; would love for you to do an episode on connectors, the tools, and how to with a FAQ. Sounds like maybe that is close?

[@eggenfellner]

Hi David, we actually have a video in regard to wiring and tools etc., might offer some of what you are searching for or at least a start!

[@tinolino58]

Very very impressing !

[@anilg1972]

are these engines brand new or used overhauled

[@Ichibuns]

I wouldn't mind if Honda and Toyota started manufacturing actual aircraft engines. Plenty of market to make it justifiable. They definitely have the cash to do it without putting a dent in their wallets.

[@doernmacdonald7444]

What about something like a HONDA GL11OO Inline 4cyl in an aircraft. smooth and reliable I have one then running for over 40yrs without any work done to it

[@SpecialEDy]

Air cooled boxer 4. Wouldn't a GL1500 or GL1800 be better with the extra 2 cylinders though? You'd need to replace the timing belts with a gear drive though, it seems like all of the aviation engines use timing gears exclusively.

[@TimberTramp]

Turbo 90 would be slick!

[@medajim9092]

With the 1.5 turbo are you using factory rods? i heard the civic Si rods are harder than the rest but some of the models are pretty soft.

[@Agwings1960]

Just curious, could you install a fully feathering propeller on a Viking engine as in a multiengine type configuration

[@EVGUY13245]

I have a K20C1 out of a 2.0T accord that was built to around 500hp with a P600 Turbo kit, & Internals. I would like to use it for my experiemental aircraft build. What would I need to worry about to make it adapt to the aircraft? & What aircraft would be best to support it?

[@aarondelafuente8507]

I see you build from four cylinder Honda engines but my question is whether you've (or will) consider the Honda V6 engines?

[@Cowboy.underwater]

A 350hp j35 turbo would be amazing.

[@MrJmd116]

I really want to make an experimental that uses a built up Honda b series (90s dual cam 4 cylinder).

[@lcprivatepilot1969]

I’d definitely consider a Viking 195-power plant for an RV-15 … if we do not go with a hybrid power plant of our own design.

[@WoutervanTiel]

What is the lightest Honda engine we could get?

[@vitordelima]

There was a group dedicated to converting the Mazda 13B rotary engine for aviation use and certify it, it has an absurd power to weight ratio and great reliability within its TBO (and terrible "outside" of it, which was a typical complaint of its users). Some successful conversions were done but overall it doesn't seem to have progressed any further. Also many of those low weight engine components could be made of composites (plastic, metal and ceramics either layered or forming matrix composites) but this isn't a widely available and mature technology (CompEx by TU Delft was a research project about how to build exhausts and there are whole engines made of composites).

[@raviarjuna9839]

Do you have link to that video?

[@vitordelima]

@@raviarjuna9839 Which video?

[@brianb-p6586]

There's nothing special about the power-to-weight ratio of a Mazda rotary. the engine is compact, and light for the displacement, but not light for the power output.

[@vitordelima]

@@brianb-p6586 Any quick search can prove that you are lying, so...

[@brianb-p6586]

@@vitordelima a Mazda 13B rotary is mostly cast iron. It displaces 3.9 litres, but is horribly low-powered for its displacement, so the resulting power is not impressive for the weight. Compare it to any modern car engine (such as the Honda units used by Viking), and the inferiority is clear. Any modern engine over 3 litres produces more power than even the most advanced non-turbo 13B, which was found in the RX-8. Again, it is compact for the displacement.

[@quintinmendez2593]

Can one of these engines use on a Rutan long ez aircraft

[@Jeff-m5x3j]

I confess to be very ignorant here, but do they modify these engines to have redundant systems like dual ignitions and plugs? Or is that even necessary on non certified planes?

[@chippyjohn1]

Not necessary on small displacement, non leaded petrol, coil over plug engines. Multi ignition was for engines that had very large cylinders, poor fueling and ignition timing, leaded petrol and unreliable magnetos. All of those issues have been removed in modern engines.

[@bmjet1679]

how much a gearbox from honda fit 150hp ?

[@joelaughlin2815]

Anything for my Cessna 150.?

[@chippyjohn1]

What's the power difference between the intake manifolds when tested? Do they test flow distribution and individual lambda readings? One video he says single cam is not the way, which I agree with, but here he has the 1.8 litre engine. Not trying to be a troll, but I have noticed a lot of inconsistency with Viking and what he says.

[@chippyjohn1]

I do enjoy this channel. The engineer in me is very critical. It's not how good something looks, it's how it can fail and be better.

[@dirtcop11]

Loved this video. Lots of flexibility for a custom build. I am wondering if you will be doing a radial engine in this sequence.

[@jolujo5842]

Dry sump options ???

[@artemshulga4641]

Good job,good Chanel, all the good in New 2023:-)hi from Russian:)

[@patm95]

I bet the Honda powered ones are way more reliable too than these typical aircraft engines.

[@markthibault8579]

How many people work at Viking?

[@chrislovett6120]

Love Viking products. FYI Nippon Denso is a Toyota company.

[@Mike-hr6jz]

You can build a Honda four-cylinder engine up to 1000 hp you don’t need 1000 hp but if you build it to 400 he will give you anything and everything you need it to do.

[@maryhines322]

What is the tbo on these engines?

[@eggenfellner]

2000 hours, and an overhaul just consists of a new block, costing $2-$3k depending on engine

[@glennr9913]

@@eggenfellner "Just a new block"? I'd have thought you'd say just rings. If it requires a new block, it surely requires a lot of other parts, no?

[@doncatch1]

Good news.

[@juanforlife]

Hector sent me - he said to ask about your spoon engines...

[@deborahchesser7375]

I heard the eco-boost is a much better aircraft engine

[@Wilma5532]

Reliability issues scratch it off the list. It's called an eco-boom for a reason.

[@deborahchesser7375]

@ I know, I was being sarcastic. I wouldn’t trust an eco boost to get me to the corner store.

[@Wilma5532]

@@deborahchesser7375 hah, right

[@kazansky22]

Are you guys going to be visiting aeromomentum as well?

[@Optimus-Prime-Rib]

Why wont the FAA allow these into certified birds via an STC…? Cleaner fuel etc

[@514aam]

Honda makes great engines! Toyota makes More reliable cars (transmission, suspension). You can race a honda engine for 500+ track days and the thing will not blow up. You can get 100 or so from a Toyota engine. Honda engines are More reliable when pushed, but Toyota engines are as reliable in daily use.

[@chippyjohn1]

Also pointing out, the torque figures for the 150 stated on the website are inaccurate for the rpm. Also the dyno graph for it does not make sense, just looks drawn rather than a reading. If torque starts to drop off, so would power, and it is so smooth. Maybe it is just a guesstimate. EDIT, looking at their dyno charts, none of them are honest.

[@brianb-p6586]

Power is the product of torque and speed. As speed increases, if the torque drops but by less than the speed rises, power still rises.

[@chippyjohn1]

@@brianb-p6586 I know what power is. The dyno graph shows torque drop off and the power rising at the same rate. If the torque drops off, the power would climb at a lower tangent. The power curve will follow the torque curve, but in this case it does its own thing. Doesn't make sense. Have a look at it.

[@brianb-p6586]

@@chippyjohn1 I agree that the slope of the power curve must change with torque... but that's not what you initially said, and not what I was responding to. You said "If torque starts to drop off, so would power"; that is not true and apparently not what you intended to say.

[@mgmrateconfirmation8404]

SEEMS TO ME THAT THOSE MOTORS DO AS GOOD AS ROTAX 912. SO WHAT'S THE POINT OF BUYING THE 912 ?

[@eggenfellner]

or better and more HP and less cost, but the Rotax has its place as well. It is certified so can be used in certain aircraft as well as it being lighter, granted with less HP. The great thing is there are options that are proven that work well, making sure not to have a monopoly of the market.

[@mgmrateconfirmation8404]

@@eggenfellner Re monopoly: Considering that very few people own airplanes (in a country of 380 million) it doesn't matter. Everything else in ONE BIG Monopoly. But, thnx for responding. 👍😀 I am thinking about Viking now.

[@Curious_Skeptic]

Omg, honda engines in airplanes? No more engine outs ever!!!

[@NT4XT]

Direct Injection like it's an advantage, sure sounds good. But I have a car, and I think, direct inj without some way to deal with carbon on the valves, is one of the dumbest implementations ever, in the automotive industry. An engine is an engine, so what about having to tear down your honda motors for walnut shell blasting to remove carbon from the valves?

[@PILOTKRIS777]

K20 turbo plane lol 😂

[@thebentley71]

Just put a Hayabusa inline 4 motorcycle engine with a turbocharger & you have 300 h.p. & I guarantee it's half the weight of any of those engines. Plus it has a 6 speed transmission, so you can increase you speed while decreasing your rpms. Also don't believe everything they teach you Aviation Tech schools. I'm an A&P licensed mechanic.

[@shmio]

Ask him about his trip to Alaska in the turbo Honda and why they don't market that engine anymore?!?!? risky business.

[@eggenfellner]

We sell and fly and market that engine with now over 950 hours. Not sure where you got that information? It’s one of our most well known engines and we fly it frequently. Our trip to Alaska was testing of our gearbox from our 130 model on a much higher HP, we have talked about this many times. Between that and not really having the time in the aircraft we would like (it was built in 90 days) it was leaking in areas and the weather depleted. We wanted to modify our design, the aircraft as well and flew as far as Glendive Montana from Florida and back home. This is many years ago now though....I think 5 and have a lot more going on :)

[@porschetech72901]

i could see the valkyre bike motor making a great aircraft engine

[@someguydino6770]

Please, please, please will somebody; cut out the "rocking music" and associated other "trendy faux creative production BS" and JUST SAY IT : The L-series is a compact inline-four engine created by Honda, introduced in 2001 with the Honda Fit. It has 1.2 L (1,198 cc), 1.3 L (1,318 cc) and 1.5 litres (1,497 cc) displacement variants, which utilize the names L12A, L13A and L15A. source en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_L_engine

[@ludvikblondal9885]

To the point..you are 100% correct