Honda Prologue and Acura ZDX | First Look Discussion

[@dannoyes4493]

Cars are not keys on a piano. Driving is neither a mathematical formula nor a problem to be solved. It is a reality to be experienced. If manufacturers were to perfect such an ideal formula, then choices will cease to exist.

[@Closertotruth2]

I would think most folks watching this are automotive enthusiasts. Such people ought to purchase as many high reving, high octane needing, preferably manual cars as soon as possible. Soon they will be as extinct as the animal body plans that are the source of energy for such fun vehicles. At least that’s what I’ve been doing.

[@justingallagher4864]

I consider this a lot. That a car needs to be about the experience now. I drive 2017 Stage 2 S3. A bunch done, but the $100 motor mount insert was one of my fav mods. It added vibes back into the car, which felt inert. Now I can feel the turbo spool, among many other communications from the front. Nothing OTT. I have no idea how an EV would do this for me. I cannot imagine myself tinkering with the formula, which could get wildly complicated, account for all variables, and then there's nothing to do.

[@brandonchism6960]

Im with you in your logic and thought process… I really am. BUT this style of thinking is through the lens of a car/driving enthusiast. For example, I would have a hard time getting a number of people excited about the “experience of” learning history, shopping, going to a gun range, running a marathon and/or day trading stocks because people have varied opinions on these types of tasks. For many of us in the comments and watching this video, spending a few hours on a backroad alone listening to throttle blips of high revving engines is the stuff dreams are made of. But for most of the driving public, driving is a part of their routine of getting through life… no different than washing clothes, flying, cooking, or cleaning. Almost akin to a chore that HAS to be done versus an activity they WANT to do. For some of those people, no amount of engineering or planning will change the fact they only view driving as a means to get to and from where they need/want to be versus a fun activity.

[@justingallagher4864]

@@brandonchism6960 Yes, indeed. All of that. I will continue to proselytize :)

[@flurpoid]

​@@brandonchism6960It's unfortunate that we have the opportunity to pilot these huge pieces of machinery at speeds humans couldn't even achieve until 100 years ago, but the masses would rather stare at a colorful screen for fun.

[@ruvindap66]

Honda rebadging a gm product is 90s style reversal of roles that I didn't think would occur even in a nightmare. But here we are.

[@JakeTerch]

They rebadged the Land Rover Discovery in the 90s

[@vagabond1776]

Agreed. Honda still has time to develop their own EVs…with today’s tech, they’ll be able to make up lost ground quickly from 1st gen to 2nd gen. ICE’s and hybrids are still more popular than EVs, too, so they’re not missing out. In addition, all you need is decent performance and a killer body and you’ll sell (look no further than the Lotus Emira and Eletre).

[@chrisa.8175]

I will never buy a GM honda,acura product. I am an acura buyer.. i loved when honda was mostly made in japan. Now they raise prices past so many.. and Now Joined with a poor quality auto maker. And keeping it's price like it is a Acura. Is shameful.. and deceptive for honda,acura customers.. acura was for the smart, intelligent and reliable buyer. THEY HAVE LOST THAT FOR THIS BUYER.. genesis here i come!

[@aceofspades6667]

@@chrisa.8175Genesis is awesome.. I’m interested in the mazda cx70 but I also don’t want an ev.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

most Acura products if not all of the current lineup is made in the US. Most USDM Hondas have been made in the US for a while now too (or Mexico or Canada). @@chrisa.8175

[@g60corrado91]

Mark and Jack, it was great talking to both of you this past Saturday at the Cars and Coffee event! This vehicle may be what you were talking about with more automakers merging technologies together/sharing platforms as time goes on.

[@savagegeese]

Its the only way to survive in many ways, until industry contracts down.

[@309gti8]

As a long time Honda fan, I do have mixed feelings about the GM partnership. However, I have to respect that they knew they couldn't get it going from the ground up and make it a legitimate competitor. Furthermore, it's not just a Blazer with a Honda or Acura badge. It has its own style and driving characteristics. I think GM is onto something really good with this Ultium architecture, but I am interested to see what EVs Honda comes out with in the future.

[@boboutelama5748]

I can say to you. GM killed off or badly damaged, every concurrent they "partnered" with in the past. To the point I believe it's a marketing strategy to destroy concurrents.

[@CvmmanderCvdy]

Honda no longer is building their EV platform with GM anymore.

[@CvmmanderCvdy]

Honda no longer is building their EV platform with GM anymore.

[@JGrove303]

I got a co-worker that loves his Cadillac Lyric. MDX Type-S Style body and suspension tuning with the ELS pro Studio audio…ZDX will sell well

[@mct8888]

We are marching toward generic, electric, wheeled boxes more quickly than anyone imagined.

[@senseicorey9979]

It was always my crackpot theory that eventually there will not be different manufacturers. You'll just get to pick, car, truck, or suv. All the same.

[@THX5000]

Golf carts that cost $60,000

[@1MTEK]

You will use the same part of your brain as when shopping for products made by Samsung, LG, Frigidaire, and Whirlpool.

[@goforbroke2]

THIS!

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

Bingo! Profound statement.

[@leok7193]

All these phases like "first step" "stop gap" "not wanting to waste money on developing first generation" sound like good reasons to ignore this iteration. Even the designer seemed to suggest next version will be noticably more advanced.

[@ciello___8307]

Look at how half baked toyotas first gen evs are. This is a good move product wise for honda. They already have a superior ev to toyota now

[@cwx8]

They'll probably sell more of these than integras.

[@phatgringo2.0]

A good reason to ignore all EVs.

[@markmiller3279]

Sure. It's only for early adopters, and I doubt they'll sell many. It gives them some practice in selling and supporting EVs at minimal cost. By the time EV sales are the majority of vehicles both they and GM will have much more advanced technology.

[@audiguy28]

Honda may want exactly that. They are basically being forced to make EV’s whether they want to or not

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

I think they got it exactly right. This is WAY smarter than rushing out some bad first US effort like the bz4X/Solterra. I'd much rather have a GM Ultium vehicle that says Honda on the front than either of the Toyota Subaru EV twins. Much better for their reputation than releasing underwhelming uncompetitive vehicles.

[@dirk5950]

Mark is just straight up speechless at the end lol. Me too man....me too.

[@dielaughing73]

His mum always told him "if you don't have anything nice to say..."

[@OdyTypeR]

​@@dielaughing73 lol. Was gonna quote thumper; you beat me to it 👍👍

[@ibbyseed]

This is definitely one of the cars of all time

[@aircanuck]

It's definitely a car, I think you nailed it.

[@svgPhoenix]

Better than the BZ4X for less dev dollars. I eagerly await Honda's own EVs, but they had to make this to pleasure the EPA

[@Tool0GT92]

This joke is overused

[@Josh-cw8by]

@@Tool0GT92 It's definitely one of the jokes of all time.

[@dielaughing73]

​@@Josh-cw8by"it's jokin' time"

[@Kelvinjan]

Most average consumers will not know this is a GM product. Some don’t even understand that Acura is the premium version of a Honda. Like you guys said, this gets Honda an EV In the showroom without the heavy capital investment to develop and manufacture a first gen EV architecture.

[@johnshaw3208]

Honda an GM have collaborated in the past, remember the Saturn Vue had an optimal V6 provided by Honda and Honda's first SUV was a rebadged Rodeo called Passport made by Isuzu owned my GM.

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

Exactly, I see nothing wrong here. Blame needs to go to the forced EV push. It should be an option, not a forced-buy. TBH, hybrid is much more long-lasting and sorted out. The batteries are small enough to not kill the car with enormous weight penalty, and can be REASONABLY replaced in the future. PHEV is as far as I would go if I have to choose.

[@cyanprince00]

​@@BigEightiesNewWaveRight there's no rush for these absurdly expensive 1st gen cars. If only hybrids were given enough attention and more of them were made besides just Toyota/Volvo basically. Until solid-state battery packs happen (which isn't as far off as ppl thought) EVs will be heavy with an offset power to weight- with expensive components to compensate. New tech will be leagues more efficient, smaller scale and could potentially last longer/be more worth it

[@davewilson7602]

Less obvious but the previous gen Pilot/Passport/Ridgeline/Odyssey had a reskinned GM infotainment system

[@benjamintran5444]

If Acura can build these using the best of GM and Acura then we have a winner here, can't wait to hear about hand-on and driving reviews from you guys.

[@mr.foxwiz1653]

Did you say “the best of GM”? Lol

[@Josh-cw8by]

I absolutely love the design of the Honda e. It's too bad they can't bring it to NA

[@The_Noticer.]

It's pretty expensive and has poor range. That said, for an EV is is fairly lightweight...

[@Josh-cw8by]

​@@The_Noticer.Definitely. I get the reasons why. That design is just a perfect mix of retro and modern to me. I love it.

[@The_Noticer.]

@@Josh-cw8by I do like it, but the things like the mirrors being camera's and screens inside were needlessly complicated. And thus drove up the price. All to save an insignificant amount of drag. If its a city car, drag isn't that big of a deal. It is not a highway car....

[@Josh-cw8by]

@@The_Noticer. You raise a good point. I believe the lack of mirrors are one of the reasons it isn't in NA. In both US and Canada, mirrors are mandatory as far as I know. I imagine Honda only did it to push the technology, and eventually adapt it to less expensive vehicles that are highway capable.

[@aprtur]

​@@Josh-cw8byit was actually designed with US compliance in mind - they probably have a normal mirror alternative already available to bolt to it to alleviate that issue. I think the market research ended up changing drastically as they got closer to production, so they sold it everywhere else but scrapped the US market plans. Sad...this was the first Honda design I was excited for in the US in a very long time.

[@PBSviaPNW]

As a Honda/Acura fanboy, this is heartbreaking

[@snuffaluffagus9527]

They are becoming quite soulless

[@jamesfynnhere6983]

Honda had 15 years of seeing the future of vehicles demonstrated in the flesh and said: let's stay relevant by actively doing nothing with that information..

[@svgPhoenix]

It's a compliance car. I'm glad they didn't waste their own dev money on something that might've been worse.

[@snuffaluffagus9527]

@@svgPhoenix if Hyundai and Kia can make a dedicated EV platform, I'm sure Honda has the means.

[@simon.templar9998]

@@snuffaluffagus9527 yeah but hate them or love them Hyundai/Kia started years ago and just barely perfected it, Honda is way behind!

[@joshyoung1245]

The ending is just epic 😅🤣

[@Mushroomancer]

Acuras precision crafted engineering at its finest

[@austen8078]

Mark did really well in this video. His first question to one of the design leads about the issue Honda has regarding the trajectory of EVs as a complete piece of technology exposed Honda's lack of capability to do this alone. When people complain about modern cars, this is the source of the feeling of mediocrity, lack of passion and risk, and so on. Cars are becoming comprehensive tech devices that require tec and economies only China and the US possess. European cars suffer the same problem as Japanese cars. Getting a reliable car with balanced tech like the early to mid 2000's is gone. People will be driving cars that are like phones which track everything you do, have to be plugged in constantly, require constant software updates and specific infrastructure--they will be more like a laptop phone. Information will be shared with cloud technologies across multiple platforms and there will be subscription based services and lack of user/owner serviceability of the product because we will incessantly 'own' less of the car we drive.

[@johnsmith-eq1zc]

I just think of ev's as appliances/gadgets. The more we move away from ice, just reminds me of the song "the thrill is gone".

[@TwoDollarGararge]

Yes but modern internal combustion cars for the most part have been taking away those interesting things for at least 20 years electronic power steering speakers piping in sound

[@ClockworksOfGL]

Yeah, we’re all gonna miss the vroom-vroom of driving our Accords and Camrys to Trader Joe’s.

[@wttwtg4165]

I don't understand the hate these cars are receiving in the comments. We know that it is getting the skateboard battery/motor of a GM product. Outside of that, do we know anything else? The suspension setup? The tuning of the computers on how to manage battery/motor use? Switchgear? Infotainment? Seating? Interior packaging? All of which seem to still have the possibility to speak Honda/Acura for their fanboys. I get that you may hate GM products, but if the hate is not directed at the battery/motor packs specifically, and everything else can be made to Honda/Acura specs, WTF is everyone bitching about? Enjoy your ICE and chill.

[@MBergyman]

I’ll never understand people who think or state that any of these first gen EVs are “disposable”. What does that even mean for the average consumer? My “disposable” Bolt is now 133k miles and 6 years old.

[@Black-Villain]

I'm with you honestly. I have an early Gen 2 Prius that's 20 years old w/ 340k miles on it, never done anything to it other than oil changes, still has the original brake pads even. I have a friend with a Tesla Model S (I think a 2015?) with over 235k miles on it and it's fine. Most people, whether it be ICE or EV, only keep their cars for as long as the warranty lasts if that.... So I don't see where the disposable argument comes from with EV's, because they certainly will last longer than most people will own them. I'd rather risk dealing with a battery than dealing with Direct Injection, CVT's, PHEV systems, High Pressure fuel systems, cylinder de-activation, oil dilution, carbon buildup on modern low friction rings, emissions systems, etc.

[@Tetsujin-28]

Jack's enthusiasm : "Goodbye".

[@rerun651]

The deep dive on why Honda and Acura chose a GM platform was very helpful. Thank you guys. This convince me to buy an Acura or Honda if I’m in the market for an ev.

[@bidensucks6792]

Im typically not a fan of the current Acura line up, or electric vehicles for that matter. But this looks better than the Cadillac version!

[@challacustica9049]

I am very proud of driving Honda. I am very proud of Honda, the brand that has tirelessly made affordable cars with great build quality, reliability and far more performance than you paid for. Honda's engines are masterpieces of engineering. This breaks my heart to see the company which has tirelessly innovated cars and even made one of the best medium jet aircraft throw in a towel and settle for a 1st generation stop gap that from GM - a brand known for poor reliability and subpar quality. I'm dissapointed Honda, i hope you come to your senses soon.

[@TwoDollarGararge]

It's a stopgap product so they can make their own platform that isn't a half-assed attempt worst case they can just blame it on GM

[@jasonliu2383]

As you said, it's a 1st gen stop gap, so it should have no influence on what Honda will do for the next gen. In fact, it is probably saving them the development costs and effort that will subsequently go into a more serious next gen product. It may be disappointing for early adopters who want something electric from them now, but it really isn't that big a deal.

[@TwoDollarGararge]

@@jasonliu2383 no but honda people don't like when Honda works with others since there blurry rose tinted glasses peak 90s Honda still exists in there head

[@markmiller3279]

Honda is still one of the smaller automakers (if big in the US), so the investment in an EV platform that would soon be dated was hard to justify. There's nothing particularly wrong with what GM has done with Ultium, though it will also be hopelessly dated by 2030.

[@hollypark2752]

This strategy worked well for Honda when Honda wanted to get into the SUV market by partnering with Isuzu aka GM. No one really cared about the Isuzu built Hondas. But it gave Honda time to figure out how to navigate the EV landscape. Will it work? Maybe. Landscape is different now tho. Brands like Tesla are moving fast on the innovation end and are selling like hotcakes. Japanese management need to think fast or be left in the dust by the new comers. It’s not just Tesla legacy brands need to deal with, the Chinese brands are selling tons of BEVs

[@ShaiyanHossain]

This isnt the first time honda and GM have collaborated together (Acura SLX, 1st gen Honda Passport being Isuzus or the Vue Redline having a J30 V6) Unlike many other EVs or even GM's own new plan to ditch carplay/android auto, these have traditional interiors which is what people want/need out of a "generic" car but it doesn't matter anyways, the corporate/government push for EV is less so rooted in "saving the earth" and more for taking away your mobility and making you poorer too in the process. Notice how nobody really says how the batteries are mined/source, or plans to power a failing power grid to supplant an influx of EVs. We'd all be doing better if we encouraged more public transportation and better housing options but that would be too easy.

[@flurpoid]

Finally someone who gets it.

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

Another garbage EV SUV to the overfilled bin... What a time to live in!

[@hutzman7664]

I can see where someday all these disposable electric cars will be leased.

[@paddle_shift]

I know I'm in the minority, but i am a big fan of Mary Barra. During her term at the top of GM, engineering has dominated over the old GM finance leadership. Cadillac is the best it has been since the 60s. Honda recognizes this.

[@Javonn143_]

Honestly, this is smart on Honda/Acura.. I would take this over Toyota/Lexus’ disaster BZ4X and RZ450E.

[@QLPJosh]

Wow, that's a great car. No not the Honda or the Acura, the car at the 0:23 mark

[@imirish2187]

very good to hear they are moving to a better sound system - current ones they use are horrendous

[@sladeoriginal]

wish honda they made a 2 door hatch with the electric platform and call it the Prelude.

[@spazzman90]

They would sell many dozens of them!

[@challacustica9049]

Give it good power and 4WS, I'll take it

[@TwoDollarGararge]

They would sell like crap new be a flop and then 25 years later be worth half a million dollars in the used market.

[@entertained...]

2-door hatch? like the e?

[@jeffreysciortino1988]

My First car was an accord LXi hatchback. A wonderful car. The last new car I bought was a 2017 Bolt. Paid around $32k new. Fun to drive, thrilling acceleration, and other than brakes and wipers, has not required one dollar towards maintenance and upkeep. (If you guys haven’t driven an early bolt, before they malibuized the suspension, I’d suggest you give it a try. For what it is, it’s very good) When given the resources, GM can design and build great cars. My concern about the ZDX is that will carry along SUV architectural inefficiencies (less range, larger batteries, and longer charge times) which contribute nothing toward making a fun touring car solely in order to not be a station wagon. It would be great to see gm or Honda use ultium to go into the taycan’s space in the 60-90k price range.

[@BTC909]

Can Gm supply Ultium battery packs in numbers? Are the Ultium charging curve issues resolved?

[@LJ-wo1wf]

This may sound petty, but I want the driving controls to be placed the same as they are on Honda/Acura’s current cars - lights on the left stalk, cruise controls (including radar cruise and lane keep assist) in buttons on the steering wheel. I thought I saw in this vid that the lane keep assist button is on the dash; I don’t want to reach down there for something that I change multiple times on my commute.

[@PHFilms3]

So what exactly are you buying that makes it a Acura? Just the badge?

[@MiguelRPD]

Honda needs to partner with Lucid for their battery/powertrain

[@adamwilliams4309]

Ummm No Honda has all the battery/powertrain IP it needs (ie F1 PU knowledge) this is just a stop gap

[@ZacBernasconi]

We have the Honda e its a fantastic car that shows Honda can still be orignal and challange and rethink car design. But yes it would never work in USA, its a great city car for Japanese/European style cities. RWD and that steering lock makes is so fun and maneuverable.

[@michaelvella8511]

I like the ZDX but.....what is that wall in the pasenger side center console for ????????????????? An annoyance of no use. Remindes me of the first Polstar.

[@tomdrummy4984]

Hmmm, interesting. I guess they are counting on the majority of people not knowing it’s a GM product.

[@svgPhoenix]

Yes, that is in fact exactly what they said in the video

[@jetplume]

That is definitely the case. Just look at all the b*tching and moaning in this comment section. Were this a Honda-built product they'd be salivating over and endlessly praising the exterior and interior design and incredible Honda engineering, even without seeing the real-world performance of a first gen product. Something many may not realize is that internalized anti-Americanism and xenophilia probably influences a majority of auto buyers in some regional markets of the USA (speaking as somebody who lives in such a market), which has serious consequences for American automakers.

[@drhassan6892]

It seems the exterior and audio system are the only distinguishing factor.

[@lexisnep525]

I'm pretty disappointed they're moving away from the ELS Studio audio system going forward. It's one of my favorite features of my Acura, without it, the car loses some of what makes it great. This new system had better be mind-blowlingly good to justify such a drastic shift. It's also a good thing this partnership ended so quickly. Honda took their notes and now they can go to the drawing board to make their own, better product.

[@deathstarresident]

I have a Acura 2013 ZDX, idk why that vehicle isn’t more popular - it is amazing to drive and is very spacious.

[@maxheadroom224]

It's ugly and I'm sure was expensive when new. Very few vehicles make it out of that camp unscathed.

[@Nemesis-uv6wx]

most of people couldn't stand for that 'beak'..

[@povertyspec9651]

Which GM factory are these made?

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

I've had many GMs and a few Hondas. There's a reason for that. The Hondas last a long time and you don't feel the need to trade up. I can't see myself buying a GM with a Honda badge, but I guess I'd have to wait for the reviews, see what the range is and see what they actually feel like. I can tell you that I think the Honda Prologue looks fantastic, to my eyes.

[@rohanm54]

Imagine when Honda/Acura ACTUALLY develop smth bespoke for their Pilot/MDX platforms. It’s gonna be awesome. And they won’t mess it up either. It’s their biggest most profitable section of the market.

[@keithyco4009]

Can you review some cars that aren’t available in the US? Eg Renault Megane RS - now almost out of production, which is in your ball park.

[@vinylcabasse]

that honda city car would be fucking awesome if it could do 250-300mi without more than a couple hundred points weight gain... i would totally get it.

[@trevorhsu6357]

Great ending

[@hyphydan]

I think this is just a way to comply with combined fleet fuel economy standards. They don't even need to produce that many.

[@Nemesis-uv6wx]

Honda is way behind in EV world right now, I don't think they will be able to catch up with big players later on unless new type of battery suddenly came out and destroys current lithum-ion battery market.. because the Battery management tech gap between Tesla and even Hyundai and VW vs other companies are huge and getting bigger every year..

[@nwbasson]

Honda calling this the Prologue is kinda telling though

[@wass006]

Wise move by Honda makes sense

[@maskarade9320]

So this, in essence, is the electric version of the brz and 86? in that it's share architecture and only real changes are the suspension setup? From what I can guess there's only going to be a 10k difference is pricing between the 4 EV's (Blazer, Prologue will be "low tier" while Lyriq and ZDX are the "Premium tier") right? In reality there's not much to keep a person from grabbing the cheap Chevy or Cadillac right now and bypass the Honda/Acura version which is sad because I was really hoping for more of a difference other than suspension tweaks to hold off buying the Lyriq for the ZDX. As exciting as the Ioniq is, I'm bypassing it based on how backlog'd Kia, Hyundai and Genesis are in the service department. I know it's an EV and doesn't require a ton of maintenance but when it does, I would like to be able to get it serviced hopefully quickly. So that leaves Ford & Tesla as alternative options.

[@Hurricanemarty]

Honda can learn from gm’s mistakes and successes and make a lighter more Honda 2.0. I heard the e was very good.

[@Gamma00Ray]

I'd like the Honda E in the USA.

[@erickpina2771]

Honda and Acura done this back in the 90’ with Isuzu when they didn’t have any SUVs just so they can enter the suv market and they are successful today.

[@bigcjm]

I have little reason to believe you can come out with your first home grown ev in 2030 and be competitive. Everyone else will be on 3rd generation by then.

[@louissnipe6778]

I am more of a honda customer. BUT with this id just go Cadillac. 😅 I think the lyric looks better.

[@red95gts]

Sometimes, a savagegeese video surprises you. Often times, I start a video and I’m not really interested in that specific vehicle, but the enthusiasm of Mark, Jack, and the brand representatives creates a desire to own that car. This is not one of those videos.

[@savagegeese]

These cars are business decisions. I mean, maybe there are better to drive than talk about...

[@yanben]

I’m a city dweller and would buy the shit out of a Honda e, but alas

[@churchofmarcus]

ZDX looks better than the Lyriq so its got that going for it. Ive enjoyed driving the Bolt so I'm okay with the Prolog being a GM. This is a better move than not having an EV at all, but i would really prefer a CAR.

[@alexnelson9505]

I love how GE spend tons of money designing 20 different versions on their EV platform with all different interiors ,exteriors and suspension design, but can't actually produce any. Make 1 great affordable one and start pumping them out

[@trippplefive]

geese’s silence at the end was…savage

[@PaulSpades]

Well, Honda probably needs some dollars while they focus on their domestic market. Also, this is what the majority of americans say they want to buy, this is what they're going to sell them.

[@Mr00Ted]

I briefly worked in mazda sales, and the number of people who choose between walking and chewing gum who would ask me “do you have any of them electric cars?” Outnumbered enthusiasts drastically, and eroded my will to live. They’re the target demo for this product and I think it’ll work for them. Because those … people have money/HELOCs for new EV now and again 5 years later.

[@1MTEK]

No ELS audio. Boo!

[@L1ttlepsych0]

Great music! Thank you mister Goose

[@chrisginoc]

Most if not all 1st gen EVs will not be around 10-15 years from now. Honda knows this is a step in the right direction and all these low range early models are temporary

[@homersanchez9425]

I get the idea Acura is trying to pull a fast one me. I don't mind the rebadged Hondas. Reminds me when Saabs became rebadged GMs and Subarus. Look where they are now.

[@CatNerfer3000]

i weap for the present and future

[@drhassan6892]

what is the acura experience anyway im not blown away by the dealership experience our dealer is highly rated im not getting faster service vs a gm dealer

[@ormand3000]

Saturn Vue Redline vibes with the J35

[@youngbrevy]

I’ll wait for the Hybrid RDX TypeS.

[@dirkpitt1849]

Since when an automaker spend/invest fund to developing a new vehicle is considered as "Wasting "?

[@RobertMayfair]

At least it isn’t overstyled like a GM product

[@briancorreia2923]

Isuzu Rodeo rebadge was gen one Pilot. And I think GM was a large Isuzu investor at the time. That first Pilot had little more than a badge, grill mesh and a steering wheel different from the Isuzu

[@TheTequilamonster74]

Been a long time Acura driver, when I heard about this partnership, I thew up a little bit. I understand the economics, but GM really???really? I'll wait until their 2nd gen comes out

[@freepadz6241]

Have to say, james maynard keenan does a good car review all said.

[@ItsAlive111]

Good job GM, you really did think your electrification strategy very well. Might as well buy this from GM product line instead of dealing with a crappy Honda dealer.

[@portcybertryx222]

It’s weird that GM were the first to the EV market but then gradually go up and down with how they implement EVs. That being said the ultium platform is pretty great. The lyriq and the hummer EV are pretty good but they are still small scale numbers. What remains to be seen is how they do at scale. The Silverado EV and the Equinox ev will be the true test of how well this does. I don’t like how people crap on GM. They have some of the best engineers in the industry hands down. And even in terms of reliability the fetishisation of Japanese brands need to stop. GM especially Cadillac has gotten wayyy better with reliability compared to their dark days in the late 2000s and have definitely improved a lot and have very nice interiors. Meanwhile, Honda, Nissan, Kia and Hyundai though looking nice on the outside have declined in bit in quality. Toyota is the one lay one that has stayed consistent.

[@jonathantyree8172]

Three words : Electric Honda Element

[@landonjennings-stoyles9804]

Interesting

[@miketeeveedub5779]

I wonder how much of the available features of said vehicles are going to be subscription-based services. "You want AC? Get our yearly package; otherwise your paying more for month-by-month payments!" That's our future.

[@ghost21501]

Has mark checked out at this point?

[@roadblockalto]

Honda has plenty of electric/electrified models outside of the US, the e:N which is being made with Dongfeng, the hybridized HR-V known as the ZR-V, the hybridized civic, eventually most of these should be available in the US market, but for full EVs the American market would likely prefer a GM based car 7:26 and not a Dongfeng

[@Mr.Meme01]

"Prologue" they literally named the car what it is, something that exist or presented before the actual product is introduced. At least they're being honest.

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

Supercruise is the best, Honda has no equivalent. Honda does not have the resources to pull off Ultium. GM invented ferrofluid magnetic dampers.

[@bohan9957]

Lets hope the new ZDX will be better built without all the panel misalignment and rattles plaguing the MDX.

[@sladeoriginal]

the ZDX looks like a mini hearse with the chrome line coming down the side on the back.

[@gabrieliacoboni6951]

Ultimately this is a cost saving measure. Nothing more. A cost saving measure for Honda that is. Not us the customers.

[@blackburd]

Paying more for an EV compared to an ICE and not being able to refuel quickly or going on a long trip without being relentlessly inconvenienced... and also being on the bleeding edge of software issues and crap that was rushed to market... I could not want this less. I hope they loose money on this.

[@giobikefans]

To everyone afraid that the move to electric means boring cookie cutter cars just look around you the next time you’re out driving. We’ve been doing boring cookie cutter cars the last 40 years. The reason all new EVs are the same battery in a family hauler box is because that’s what people are buying as ICE vehicles right now. If you think the current Acura ICE SUVs are some amazing driving experience you need to get out more.

[@Parker53151]

This is the Honda Oldsmobile. Run away fast. When I purchased a Honda vehicle in the past, I purchased it SPECIFICALLY because it was not a GM, MOPAR or Ford vehicle. This is going to be a sales dud.

[@me-ib2zb]

The Acura zdx used to be really nice looking. That new one looks like a mistake.

[@Affalterbach1967]

Honda Red Bull formula one-championship winning technology really shines in these. If you play #f1 podcasts on the Acura stereo. RocketPoweredMohawk and Drive to Survive subscribers assemble !

[@MrSchn3ll]

Oh wow, another electric SUV with the same hp, range, battery size, weight, driving dynamics of every other electric SUV. How can I possibly contain my excitement???

[@TwoDollarGararge]

But the vast majority of gas vehicles are the same way yet another 4-cylinder turbo all wheel drive CUV that makes roughly 160 to 200 horsepower CVT or a 9-speed auto much wow

[@4literv6]

@@TwoDollarGararge so true but hey they each make uniquely distinct four cyl farting&buzzing noises while being painfully slow right? 😀👍🏻

[@TwoDollarGararge]

@@4literv6 no that's the burbal tune performance edition which is basically an appearance package usually the same safety nannies and the wrong transmission

[@TwoDollarGararge]

@@4literv6 if you take a generic all wheel drive 2.0T lease box and you line them all up next to each other they all sound the same unless it's something like a Veloster n or a hot hatch with an exhaust which you're going out of your way to make it sound somewhat different

[@4literv6]

@@TwoDollarGararge cracking me up over here man spitting that inconvenient pet-trolls hate it vehemently truth. 🤣 It's like the save the manual&v8 fools, man I've been around since 1982 and manuals even when I got crapped out headfirst into this world? Already then well below a quarter of ALL global car sales, v8s haven't had their day since the late 60s&pre opec gas shortage meltdown. 👍🏻

[@grizzle273463]

I love Marks contribution to this product. Without speaking it, he LOUDLY conveyed "it's a piece of manure and I want no part of it".

[@TheUrbanEpicure]

Nah, he seems to genuinely agree to Jack's very valid points.

[@tylertullis6536]

He didn't audibly cry foul though, presumably because of the Honda badge. He knows it's a GM EV so I wonder, was he fighting the sexual arousal he typical gets from Honda products? We need answers to the questions that matter.