Honda secretly needs Mitsubishi more than Nissan - Here's why...

[@von98i]

So it’s Toyota, Subaru, & Mazda vs. Honda, Nissan, & Mitsubishi???

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

lol... hopefully Honda can revive some of these once-upon-a-time greats, especially Mitsubishi, I've always loved them (except for the last decade or two, lmao)

[@MLHunt]

​@@JohnDorian-j7x always except the last couple of decades 😂

[@adanm603]

@@JohnDorian-j7x youll mature and realize that just because they made bad looking cars doesn't mean that they didn't make great motors. the 6g75 and 4b11 are a final hurrah imo, and they make great and reliable power.

[@awang_ir]

More like Toyota + Daihatsu + Hino + Subaru + Isuzu + Mazda + Suzuki + Yamaha Vs Honda + Nissan + Mitsubishi (a.k.a the rest) I'm in southeast Asia, Suzuki & Daihatsu are huge, meanwhile Isuzu & Hino are doing fine with their commercial vehicle businesses Honda motorcycles are almost must-have with Yamaha are the runner up by a huge margin. Honda & Mitsubishi cars are much more common than Nissan

[@kevinsnowden4672]

The AI EV Lithium ion self driving blood bath 2025 has started. I think they will all merge. All these cars will be inoperable when payments are missed.

[@shawn1869]

If Honda has anything to do with Renault, i will NEVER buy a Honda product again.

[@thabzmad7265]

It's not all bad, there are many markets where Honda is very weak and Nissan/Renault/Mitsubishi are very strong, everyone wins if they are being bolstered in their weaknesses.

[@caguas19pr]

Honda will never let there reliability to slip

[@thabzmad7265]

@@caguas19pr That reputation is from previous generation ICE technology, going into the future, it's a clean slate. And before you go far, Renault is a minor player in all of this as they are only in the discussion due to their 25% or thereabouts ownership of Nissan shares which currently there is talk of Taiwan giant Foxconn seeking to purchase and Renault itself is seeking to offload since Goshn was ousted.

[@jonnybird8495]

The merger with Honda is pretty much Nissan filling for divorce from Renault with Foxconn taking whatever shares Renault has left from Nissan. At this point the merge is necessary for Nissan’s survival…

[@shawn1869]

Renault is ABSOLUTE GARBAGE.

[@JT-fq2bl]

So, Mitsubishi need Nissan, Nissan need Honda, and Honda need Mitsubishi. It that correct? Cool. I'm for this merger over the Sharpe own company. Keep the brand Japanese. As for Renault, the can F off somewhere. No one with sense want a Japanese product with French parts.

[@chezzyperson3339]

Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram can go bankrupt once again by and not get bailed out again by merging with the worst of the worse Italian and French car brands that caused their own CEO from France to resign and they won’t have a CEO for months

[@chezzyperson3339]

@@JT-fq2bl Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram can go bankrupt again and not get bailed out again by keeping on merging with the worst of the worst Italian and French brands that even their own CEO from Portugal vacated that position

[@chezzyperson3339]

@@JT-fq2bl Now look how Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram keep getting worse after they keep merging with Italian and now French brands. At this point they deserve to go bankrupt and net get bailed out again as even their CEO from Portugal vacated his position

[@chezzyperson3339]

@@JT-fq2bl Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram keep making it worse for them every time they keep merging with Italian and French brands

[@TeamGun]

Mitsubishi doesn't need Nissan. Even Honda, their market cap is 36 billion. Mitsubishi market cap is 70 trillion. Mitsubishi is more interested in weapons, military vehicles and rocket engines. Mitsubishi Motors they don't do much with currently.

[@henriqueber2340]

Just can’t believe that in 2024 people still buy this chip shortage story…

[@KirkKreifels]

Whether it was actual or simulated, there was a shortage

[@user-ye1wn3uj7e]

@@KirkKreifelsThere WAS.

[@rohitnijhawan5281]

Any time a sales man says "the chip shor.." i interrupt immediately with err "hang on." whatever you want to call it - chip shortage, alien invasion, jersey drones, butt r*p'ng monkey pirates.. cut it please! IT's 2025, the cummulative inventory on dealer car lots is at 2019 levels now.

[@MrDuncl]

When everything was locked down and everyone needed a laptop to work from home all the car manufacturers (except Tesla) cancelled all their orders. Once things started opening up I was quoted an 18 months delivery time for a Mercedes. Wondering what it is now there are 16 on Autotrader being offered below MRSP.

[@Tater_chip_00]

⁠@@rohitnijhawan5281excuse me, the monkey what pirates????🥴

[@foxxmufasa]

Imagine Honda getting Mitsubishi, making a sedan type r with awd and putting the evo badge on… a guy can only dream

[@JABelms]

yuck, my evo is way faster than any type R ever made at it is 20+ years old

[@MrDuncl]

There was an Accord Type R sold in Europe complete with a massive wing on the back.

[@larssandvik1347]

@@foxxmufasa I don’t know. Sounds pretty terrible to me. Mitsubishi sucks. only faggggssss drive those

[@jamesaron1967]

@@MrDuncl Which model years was that?

[@MrDuncl]

@@jamesaron1967 1998 to 2002

[@tommygunnnn1770]

Companies don’t have any fun flagships anymore that draw attention to the company. They need to start making fun cars to get the enthusiasts talking and getting the brand fun again.

[@Rolariz]

Keyword being affordable. I hope that the prelude is around the same performance and price at the seemingly similar range (GR86, ELANTRA N, CIVIC SI(?), etc.)

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

Type R Hondas are pretty fun. Subaru's WRX. Not so much the GR corollas anymore, but they brought back the Supra and have the GR86. Honda's supposed to bring the Prelude back soon. Ford still has the Mustang. Chevy still has the Corvette. What cars are you referring to when talking about "fun cars"? More along the grounds of "lesser" companies like Mitsubishi or something? If so, then I can see why, because Mitsbuishi used to have some absolute BANGERS back in the day

[@jpl0202]

Yes, they all copy each other. You can’t tell who manufactured the vehicle unless you look for the name plate attached to the vehicle.

[@fireinside1984]

I have bought 1 new car in my life and I never thought it would be a Mitsubishi. Drove the outlander PHEV and loved it, still do. I got a 2023.

[@user-ye1wn3uj7e]

Maybe because it’s still new?

[@fireinside1984]

​Maybe or maybe it's good. You tell me, have you drove one? One thing I love about it is that it's the best Mitsubishi makes. They put all they got into the outlander PHEV and people shit on Mitsubishi these days but they have made some amazing vehicles and maybe just maybe they can make a few more.

[@JABelms]

​@@fireinside1984 Lol Mitsubishi is underrated my dude. I have an Evo VII and a Montero, my wife has a outlander cross. The Montero crushes the Fortuner in quality so does the outlander cross outdos every Toyota crossover at the same price. My own family are Toyota fanboys, I have ways to compare lol

[@larssandvik1347]

You have terrible taste

[@larssandvik1347]

@@JABelms you must live in Puerto Rico. Those are the only people that drive Mitsubishi.

[@rodneywk1]

I’m gonna do my part to help Honda’s bottom line when I buy that sweet-looking ‘26 Passport Trailsport!

[@DriverX-JDM]

🔥🔥🧡

[@LearnLiveLoveLife4ever]

Agreed...I can't wait for the 2026 Passport to hit the dealership too!

[@williamconrad1087]

I want a Passport too. Love the tow hooks.

[@fredjemal3689]

The new Passport is certainly sweet looking!!

[@flashnmb1]

Retail Therapy !

[@this_dude5307]

It’s good that Honda, Nissan, and Mitsubishi will be working together. They all have mutual interests and can help each other out. Much better than having partnerships with non-Japanese companies.

[@unreliablenarrator6649]

So you think incestuous inbreeding in a small gene pool results in a stronger beast?

[@davidsentanu7836]

Japanese companies are not very good at working together tho'. They are very clan-minded, even in a single company they have clans internally.

[@ltypd]

Just because they are offering 10k incentives for the Prologue doesn't mean they are losing 10k per vehicle sold. You would have to know their cost to determine that.

[@KirkKreifels]

Yes I noticed this error when editing the video. They're probably losing closer to $5k

[@v12kingV10]

acura loses money too

[@kash1327]

Honestly, all these beloved brands struggling just makes me sad. Nissan a former powerhouse manufacturer, whos only cars are now desirable are their old cars, Honda whos "revival" of their best car, the nsx, is hardly even a second thought to those who can afford a car like that, while toyota is bringing out ICE sports cars one after the other (GR yaris and Corolla included) with plans for more. What happened to you Nissan and Honda 😢

[@EricFortuneJr.]

I agree, Hondas are decent products, there's nothing available for enthusiasts and tradesmen.

[@Blank00]

The NSX actually drives great. People skip that car because the Acura badge isn't as prestigious, the interior is meh, and nobody wanted hybrids back then. But supercars are about the driving experience, not so much about the interior, and despite what people thought back then, hybrid doesn't mean boring drive experience.

[@ArthropodSpidey]

Honda is doing fine. Lay off the crack

[@kash1327]

@@Blank00 you make a great point, the P1 , LaFerrari and 918 were all "ground breaking" but the NSX was "underwhelming" and "blasphemy" probably because everyone wanted the same 90s/2000s NSX with a new body. The badge makes a huge difference. I suppose my wording was wrong, I didn't intend to say it's a bad car, what I was trying to say is that they don't "innovate" much (its all boring commuter cars, take the badge away and you wouldn't be able to tell it apart from all the other Asian cars out there now if you know what i mean)and then when they do, it's rare, and feels like they don't promote it like they should, many countries never even got the new nsx I may be wrong here as my county never got the nsx, but they never made a big enough deal about it's return, like with, say the supra or the integra which again is no where near it's routes

[@v12kingV10]

@@kash1327the nsx didn’t do anything great. it didn’t even have great mpg. too expensive for an american built car. The corvette kills it for half the price. the zr1 destroys it. ugly cheap interior and performance was solid but not better than anything in its class

[@mustafahasan8384]

All these cars losing money due to ev cars😂 we dont need those pile of shit.

[@georgewilder7423]

Well it looks like you're going to be doing a lot of walking soon, cos if Honda mergers the other 2 the Jap car industry is f....kd...😂

[@ryancurfman]

Tbh the new Mitsubishi outlander is awesome. I would love to see this merger bring the return of an xterra esque vehicle to rival the current 4Runner

[@jhayregz]

I agree. Fiance and I own a 2025 GT PHEV since Nov. She had her 2015 Lancer written off due to hail last year. We enjoy the Outlander and has been through our intense storms here in Winnipeg reaching close to -40. Some minor things annoy me but we love the look and performance. Oh yeah we also own an Evo 5(his) and Evo 6(hers). Owned my 5 since 2015. So we have a Mitsubishi fleet. 😂 Oh and my other vehicle is a 2005 Nissan Xtrail XTT from Japan lol.

[@unreliablenarrator6649]

China is not incentivizing "homemade" EVs, it is incentivizing any EVs produced in China and all of the JP OEMs totally missed the boat because they did not take EVs and the changes mandated by China (for years) seriously until it was too late. I realize this this a JP centric channel, so not surprising to see your spin on the story but to be accurate, Honda more than Nissan and even Mitsubishi neglected EV technology to it's own expense. THIS IS SAD because they had a fantastic design with the Urban EV aka Urban e, but the drivetrain sucked and they totally dropped the ball after generating a lot of excitement with what I would argue was their best design in years with features ahead of competitors. Sad. Just sad.

[@tompmcneil]

The whole group should be called Honda. Keep it simple!

[@JABelms]

Hell no I never bought a Honda in my life

[@davidsentanu7836]

The Japanese are very clan-minded. When Konica and Minolta merged they branded their products Konica Minolta smh

[@rayc4517]

"Rear wheel drive favoritism is ideal for for diving dynamics"?? I will argue that in slippery conditions, front wheel bias is preferred. My VW Alltrack is front biased all wheel drive, and is a blast in the snow. (thanks for this video.)

[@dennismorgan717]

Outlander PHEV is one of the best selling vehicles in Europe

[@adambakkam1527]

Honda's current 2 motor hybrid is same as Mitsu's proven design

[@keiming2277]

@@adambakkam1527 But Honda closed the UK factory, meaning Honda is weak in Europe

[@markallen2984]

BEV is a dead end.....in America, there will not be sufficient charging capacity to actually support all the EVs the Federal government wants to force Americans to buy and OEMs to build

[@Techridr]

The only truth to your claim is if the grid doesn't evolve and if EV adoption was overnight. Neither of which will happen. The claim is grossly overblown. The grid is being modernized with stronger power lines, smart technology, and increased renewable energy. "Smart charging" allows EVs to charge when demand is low, and "vehicle-to-grid" technology can even have EVs send power back to the grid. California, where I am, is already producing more solar than we can use. A lot of "unclaimed" energy is not being used.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

BEVs are America's dumb solution to get around making an actual transit system.

[@goaway9977]

​@@Techridr The problem is that the push for EVs is outpacing grid development. Home battery technology is the answer but this is a significant upfront investment even with government subsidies, are requires you to own a house with off street parking. We will see a saturation point reached, in fact we may already be there with EVs % of new car sales plateauing. Removal of government subsidies would exacerbate this. All of this is even more pronounced in the UK and EU where home battery tech is more expensive, less people have homes with off street parking and the shift to EV is being pushed even hard by the government with the promise to ban the sale of ICE cars by 2035. Japanese auto makers made a bet that common sense would prevail and that the government push for EVs would be recognised as being unrealistically fast and a policy of slower adoption would be shifted to. Unfortunately they bet wrong. Now they risk losing any market share they have in developed nations due to government regulation, and in the developing world they can not compete with the cheap price of Chinese made CCP subsidised EVs. Even if US EV sales do not grow dramatically over the next 10 years they can not sustain their operations with dwindling sales numbers in EU and SEA. It is sad that they bet on common sense but market manipulation by governments around the world just didn't let up.

[@Techridr]

@@goaway9977 You have extremely valid points, but there are a few things overlooked. First, we can't look at our grid today and assume it can't grow fast enough without home battery storage. Municipal battery storage is on the rise. Look at Australia (especially western) and even Texas. Musk, and now many others are supplementing grids all over the place to offset heavy load times. But instead of trying to address every point individually, just know and try to understand that all these potential issues that may/could plague us are all being solved. All these things are only issues in the minds of those that don't see all that is happening to address the "issues." Even your point of the UK and actually many here in the states that live in apartments with no access to home charging. Even that will not be an issue in a few short years. Charging speeds are getting very fast. In about 5 years, the typical stop at a charging station will be down to maybe 5 minutes. Touching on the government pushing things on us. No matter if that were true or not, remember that China saw the big picture over 20 years ago when they started investing in all the technologies that will push this forward. This was partly to do with some of their extremely crowded cities where you could barely see your hands when standing outside because the smog was so thick. I'm old enough to remember being a little boy in Los Angeles and every other Summer day having a severe smog alert. Those days we were not allowed to go out and play with friends. Our skies were black. I only bring this up because a lot of reasons for some change are not apparent to many. California has adopted much stricter emission laws because we are a hugely populous state and we see the effects before others. I move to EVs because Gas randomly gets over $6/gallon. Okay, I digress quite a bit.... The real and only point we need to understand is, no matter if it was the will of the people or the government "mandating" or nudging us in a direction, the reality is we all know that EVs are the future. We may argue that the future should be in 2 years vs 20 years or whatever. But my main arguments in all this is that we do live in a global marketplace and moving to EVs sooner rather than later will give us more leverage to keep in the industry. Because trust me, when the children of Gen Z and Gen Alpha are of driving age, they will want nothing to do with ICE cars, or even cars they need to manually drive. My teen daughter has no desire to learn to drive. None. Currently she takes Waymo or Uber and that's her world. There is no EV adoption rate model that will outpace the grid fortification. None. It really is nothing to worry about. We are between growth cycles and we're at a point where many more charging stations will be coming online and the price of Lithium is dropping like crazy. In the next year or two it will not be affordable for the average consumer to buy an ICE car. I think estimates are that in about 2027 or so, a typical ICE car will be $5,000-$10,000 more than an EV. But to go back to an earlier point, we need the transition asap to save our own industry. I don't want to lose GM or Ford. I even hope VW survives, and it's not looking good for them right now.

[@mlw636]

@@Techridr If you think electric vehicles are any way near being able to replace with and ICE car can do in the US, you obviously don't live outside the city or drive to work. This isn't about the cost of service or the nightmare accidents or insurance either, this is about also the utility and support system (the grid and the inflation of electric costs due to the demand). There is also severe security issues with it as well. You lose a power grid due to terrorism or blackout, you shut a whole city down now. Now add the crime as well, with theft of both power, and copper cables when times get tough. No, the electric future will be a very insecure and costly future.

[@Dabayare]

They will just become the eastern Stellantis.

[@daviyen]

When I hear people talk about automotive sales in China they tend not to explain the economic situation in the country which could explain why people are unable to afford large purchases like cars.

[@LinksterGTI]

I love my outlander phev, I'm surprised Mitsu didn't bring over the eclipse cross phev stateside also.

[@CrimeJester]

I think the Eclipse Cross would be crazy popular if they could make a PHEV version.

[@LinksterGTI]

@@CrimeJester They make a phev version but I think it's only sold in Japan and Australia

[@rickm8456]

Toyota put all their money down on hybrids and it’s paying off for them in the US. I’m not sure why Honda isn’t focusing on that either.

[@Techridr]

Hybrid's are out. That's the problem. If you can't make a competitive EV, you will not survive as a car company. That is the harsh fact. Ask VW

[@adambakkam1527]

Honda prologue EV is produced by GM. Yes General Motors assembles Prologue in Mexico alongside the Chevy Blazer EV. Both essentially the same. Look at the door jab

[@SophisticRat4]

1:39 it literally just looks like a pilot with Escalade lights

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

I'd love for a good AWD medium-van to come to the US. Something I can easily fit 2 motorcycles in and don't feel dumb driving as a personal vehicle. Hopefully the Delica can be that. The Metris was almost that, but no AWD.

[@von98i]

Nissan should’ve kept the Altima, while the Accord should’ve had a panoramic by now… The Camry still has more features!

[@rayperkperk]

Kirk - Hope you and your family have a very Merry Christmas! Thank you for all the work you put into these videos. We really appreciate how genuine you are in everything you put out:)

[@borninhk1]

Why is Honda so stubborn about RWD? It would have helped Acura become a powerhouse!

[@tkmedia3866]

It makes a lot more sense in EVs packaging wise.

[@williamconrad1087]

They were also using 6 cylinder engines when 6-cylinders engines weren’t cool.

[@borninhk1]

@@williamconrad1087 you mean 5-cylinder, in the Vigor? It was right around the same time as Volvo with their 5-cylinder 850 GLT! Both were direct competitors to each other in the US!

[@turboimport95]

this is why the gt86 and brz blows honda and nissan away.. nissans new Z is automatic only.. gt-r auto only, what a dump. Toyota listened to people and built something they wanted, a light weight rwd manual sports car. Honda: NO!! you need front wheel drive honda odyssey.. 😂😂 Honda: I wonder why our sales are down?

[@mrgurulittle7000]

Mitsubishi needs a huge cash injection so they can use their PHEV system on other cars like a new Lancer. I don’t know if Honda is the parent Mitsubishi needs. By the way, the PHEV system can be tweaked to be BEV or series hybrid depending on what you want. Smart layout.

[@John-kx3ng]

There will be a new Lancer, it will use the next generation Leaf platform and will be out in about a year or so?

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@John-kx3ng Yeah, but that’s not going to be a real Lancer. It’s just a rebadge.

[@mynameisChizzle]

Nihonbashi. (Nissan, Honda, Mitsubishi) a famous bridge name in Tokyo!

[@unreliablenarrator6649]

It also describes this proposal. But that is a small neighborhood.

[@joeywilson3]

Also 日本橋 (nihon bashi) losely translates to Japan bridge. So theres that

[@justdna4385]

The Delica was on sale in the USA in the 1980's. It was just called the "van" or "wagon" depending on cargo or passenger version. There is a "van" project on marketplace right now in the Philadelphia area.

[@ultrasummit]

To summarize: Honda will get to build big trucks, EVs and PHEV Nissan gets hybrid and money to part with Renault, factory in Mexico and Japan, and employees Mitsubishi gets to stick around and build hybrids

[@goulartaf66]

I I believe Nissan's main issue was they weren't innovative they weren't bringing new vehicles to market. They weren't upgrading vehicles soon enough. They got rid of full framed SUVs. Pathfinder and XTerra which were both made in the United States and were subpar compared to 4 Runners built in JP. All of Nissan's vehicles were not upgraded within 12 years. Every four years they need to be upgraded. And replaced within 8. Even the new Z has parts from the previous 350 Z. Crazy..

[@davidsentanu7836]

And how old is the Godzilla now?

[@mike168168]

Ghosan really messed up Nissan. I remember looking at all the Nissans with peeling paint on the road and thought that was too much cost cutting.

[@rcud1]

Seems their paint been bad last 20 years or so.

[@JoeMACofNAC]

Honda is making a mistake going all in on EV. It will be their downfall.

[@jpl0202]

Hello, countries are requiring EVs to be sold and phase out ICE. Get over it.

[@palm_fangz1018]

Their down fall is cause of not adopting early, china is smoking them

[@Washedup007]

​@@jpl0202 How about No, we don't need to get over it. Government regulations can be changed and should be.

[@adambakkam1527]

Mitsubishi Plugin Hybrids are one of the best. Honda's current 2 motor hybrids is a copy of Mitsu hybrid. Anyway, I really really wanted to buy the Mitsu outlander phev but did not as I was not sure about the future of the Mitsu in the USA. Had this Honda's backing came four months ago, would have bought the Mitsu Outlander plugin (went with Toyota). Honda getting the time tested Mitsu hybrid is good for Honda.

[@adambakkam1527]

Honda 2 motor hybrid is a copy of (almost) Mitsubishi's time tested/proven plug in outlandar hybrid technically.

[@mattharvey78]

I appreciate this inside analysis as a long time Honda fan. I’m excited that the Delica will come out in the US as well. Now I feel conflicted between buying another Honda SUV in the future or a Delica. Who knows - I may just get a Scout. 😉

[@Jesse.George]

I drive a civic type R I am completely against electric nonsense. Like yes make some but don’t be all electric that’s just garbage 😭

[@unreliablenarrator6649]

Final comment: You seem not very up to date on Chinese EVs. Everywhere but North America, Japanese companies are not competing against Tesla, but Chinese and to a lesser extent, Korean EVs. They are losing the battle because they are too late. Even in traditional JP auto strongholds like Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia and Indonesia, Japanese brands are struggling against a wave of Chinese EVs. If you do not understand the value proposition and model range of Chinese EVs you don't understand the problem. Japanese companies do not have until 2040 to transition to hybrids and EVs, hybrids are a stop-gap that will barely last another 10 years if that. You seriously underestimate the trouble the Japanese are in now.

[@mugenpower78]

Come back after 5 years and see how many chinese evs are still running on the road

[@AnonymousHippo5]

Rather have a gas version over a hybrid or battery vehicle any day of the week. Tried and true reliability is better no mater what temperature it is outside.

[@RickStein-i9o]

Exactly I live in Alberta Canada and sometimes it gets to -48 and Even colder with the wind chill factor. Even our ICE need to be plugged into block heaters. I routinely have to start my two Honda's in the middle of the night as well. I don't see an EV very often and a charging station even less.

[@ryanfraley7113]

Hybrids and EV’s both have ways to get heat started before you get to the car that don’t involve a block heater or a remote start. That’s a technology advantage.

[@MyerShift7]

​@@ryanfraley7113and they will still have an exceptionally handicapped range posing a very real danger to owners in cold climates. That's the truth about "technology"

[@RT-kn4yp]

You must be in Medicine Hat or Fort Mac(Murray), EVs are doing fine in the rest of Canada and they even abour about 25 Tesla Super Chargers in the RioCan grocery plaza here in the L5J barely populated area of Mississauga ON, about 20 miles west of Toronto Downtown. Norway uses 90% EV in colder weather and no issues. I think you may be misinformed or not having EV charger stations, you DEFINITELY are Nowhere near Calgary or Edmonton where the majority of Albertans live.

[@know916bound]

Toyota hybrids are tried and true. I would never go full EV.

[@escheidl]

Would that be a Honissubishi? And soon to be Toyazdaru. 😆

[@TheLobo91]

So there will be two japanese players left. Honda and Toyota. I guess tesla was right when they said most companies that dont evolve will be bankrupt by 2030.

[@TinoMiller]

Honda ?! Homda has no EV's barely has any hybrids and isn't doing anywhere as well to what Toyota and Nissan .. Honda doesn't even exsit in Europe, and the Asein market ..

[@TheLobo91]

@TinoMiller that might be so but they are a larger company than Nissan. They will gobble them up in this merger. This is the beginning of the end for smaller car companies that are not making enough profit. The bigger players will buy them up. Doesn't matter what they call it. If you can't grow your way out of poor decisions buy your way out. That is how companies survive when they get stale.

[@danielsteyn7464]

This Merger should have been considered already. Nissan needs to walk away/divorce from Renault. Their products became watered down to almost rebadged Renaults. Same with Mitsubishi when they joined that alliance. Only good things from here on.

[@davidsentanu7836]

Now they're going to have rebadged Hondas.

[@jerometal2816]

Mitsubishi wishlist: New Lancer and Pajero.

[@andyleo8418]

Honda should just wait for Nissan to file for bankruptcy, then swoop in and pick on the carcass. Not sure why they would want to inherit any from Nissan, a company known for making crap fleet cars for rental companies and Uber drivers.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "Honda should just wait for Nissan to file for bankruptcy, then swoop in and pick on the carcass. Not sure why they would want to inherit any from Nissan..." no worries, that simply means you don't understand the Japanese people and how the unifying Japanese Culture is THOUSANDS of years old. being "baby young to the world" quite predictably Westerners always "project" their dysfunctional thinking and behavior onto Eastern Civilizations.

[@davidsentanu7836]

Toyota would swoop it first. The Japanese are very loyal to brands. And Nissan is THE car brand for the Japanese. If Honda don't take Nissan now, Toyota will. There is NO WAY Japan would let Nissan perish. SONY bought legendary Japanese brand Akai just to sit on it. No meaningful products ever released with the Akai brand since they acquired it. They have no usu of the brand, they just proud they "saved" Akai.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Kirk, When the day arrives for me to seek 'Toyota levels of efficiency' in a hybrid, I will buy a Toyota Hybrid. 😆 Honda may need 25:48 'motorcycles and hybrids to fuel' their EV development but they are also receiving plenty of taxpayer funded subsidies on both sides of the USA/Canada border. 🤨

[@jameschristy4317]

I have a 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and it is an excellent vehicle. I am impressed by the plug-in hybrid power train. Runs most of the time like an EV with an on-board gas engine generator. At least in the city, the economy is incredible if you keep the car charged.

[@jasonlee5968]

People still don't realize how big Mitsubishi is as a banking/financing arm in Japan and as a global player.

[@sheldonlamey7010]

Electronics like TV and household AC units too.

[@davidsentanu7836]

Honda only merge with Mitsubishi Motors (the automotive part) not the whole Mitsubishi zaibatsu.

[@philhenderson3516]

If anything, Honda is more concerned about the upcoming Toyota/Hyundai alliance. Actually, all stateside auto manufacturers are. I'm sure Honda delayed teaming up with Nissan as much as they could, but at this point, the more hands you have onboard to battle those two giants, the more chances you'll have to stay afloat.

[@nonic4vic600]

1:25 it looks like a honda life that came out in the late 90s early 2000s but as an suv

[@johnnysmile01]

Would love to see Mitsubishi Delíca in Europe

[@gregg9672]

Nissan needs to get away from Renault. They have ruined Nissan

[@chrissetina1107]

Renault has a great lineup now. Paid for by Nissan, when Ghosn pushed all their collective development money to Renault. And Nissan got 2 gen past Clio's on which to base the Versa, and a terrible 3cyl turbo for the Rogue. The sooner they can get out of Renault's clutches, the better. Getting Ghosn out was just the first step.

[@Cbiz210]

That new reveal at the beginning of your video that you alluded to is not an SUV it's the new Odyssey

[@kwykwyk8447]

Really hope Nissan makes it out of this ok... Such an iconic brand with so many iconic cars

[@davidpenwood5028]

Many say Nissan can last only 12 to 14 months. Run out of cash.

[@davidsentanu7836]

Nissan to Honda will be like how Lancia is to FIAT: a nostalgia.

[@obesetuna3164]

I once owned a Citroen 2CV: the "tin snail". As ancient as this design was, it was still capable of achieving 50mpg. As a long term proposition, all of this convoluted hybrid garbage is a non starter. Together with their obvious limitations, the same can be said for EV's. None of this makes common sense as a practical means of everyday transport, and not everyone is that stupid.

[@goulartaf66]

I just hope Japanese are in charge of this merger and the companies looking forward! They need to keep it in house. That's what makes these Japanese brand so good. We don't need foreign interference and screwing up their companies.

[@Pdep90]

If KIA and Hyundai can both compete in the same market with the same product and be successful as they are, I don’t see why Nissan and Honda can’t do the same. I’m all for this merger

[@DarnellHendeason-dk3uw]

Nissan just needs to source Hondas engines and transmissions.

[@Pdep90]

@@DarnellHendeason-dk3uw if Nissan does indeed gain access to Honda’s engines and transmissions, Honda might be in trouble as I’ve always thought design wise Nissans looked a little better than Hondas

[@cherylann145]

It depends on the person at the top. If you do not have the right person navigating the ship to go in the right direction.. to keep up with or pass the competition and to make sure that the money is handled properly.. basically & bluntly the company is screwed! Leadership dictates success..

[@davidsentanu7836]

​@@Pdep90This is the real problem with the merger. Basically all of them, Honda, Nissan and Mitsubishi compete for the same market overlapping each other. I think Honda would just refocus Nissan to commercial trucks becausw that's the only thing Nissan produce that Honda don't. And maybe the GTR name just because Honda's own NSX is dead. They don't even need Mitsubishi brand. Maybe put the Pajero to Dakar again and try to recapture the only niche it had. Otherwise, just ditch the brand altogether.

[@sgtalstrafficticketblog2452]

07:00 unless I’m mistaken that pedestrian warning sound is federally mandated. Whether Honda can change it to something else is another question.

[@rkgsd]

Keep in mind a hybrid battery lasts about 10 years. Subtract the cost of a replacement battery from the amount of money you saved on gas.

[@That_NJ_guy]

I'd consider a Honda SI hybrid. Like a SI-E. A fun manual car with a better MPG.

[@THEREALTJP]

I guess the only good thing about this is... Honda's good Hybrid Mitsubishi's good PHEV Nissan's EV Other than that, idk how i feel. Especially being an owner of a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Sport & dealing with way too many issues. Once i get out, I'm going to Mazda or Subaru.

[@INFP-T50]

Honda and Nissan have the technology for solid-state batteries, so they could be a breakthrough.

[@lukeclifton4392]

So you’ve got 3 struggling Japanese brands (Nissan, Mitsubishi, Honda) focusing on pureEV tech vs 3 excelling Japanese brands (Toyota, Mazda, Subaru) focusing on Hybrid tech!🤔🤔🤔

[@jorgevillacis8127]

Honda is not struggling sales !

[@ahmedislam2580]

honda nissan mitsubishi ez win

[@lukemcdo]

It's still confusing to me that the Honda hybrid setup looks more ready for plug-in configurations than anyone but they aren't available at all. Would appreciate any insights you can give there.

[@nriqueog]

What if this Honda/Nissan/Mitsubishi merger could bring about something like the Hyundai/Kia system? South Korea managed to save Kia and make both of these companies stronger overall in export markets. Hyundai owns 34% of Kia, they share tech, engineering and other info with each other while putting out uniquely individual vehicles. Honda could serve as the Parent Co. and all 3 companies could put out unique vehicles that share platforms.

[@02werewolf]

now we talking . but i hope no CVT

[@ronaldderooij1774]

Hybrids are hard on ICE's. ICE's wear because of temperature cycles, not because of miles driven. Batteries wear because of charge/decharge cycles (especially fast charging). Guess what? Hybrids have a lot of cycles in temperature (ICE on/off) and battery charge cycles (every few minutes in city traffic). Plus, having two energy storages and two engines (sorry, 1 motor) and a connecting transmission gives more weight, thereby annihilating the efficiency for a large part and it adds complexity, reducing durability and reliability. No hybrids for me.

[@KirkKreifels]

That's fine. Choose the powertrain that you see is best for you. Let's hope there's a future with lots of choice

[@go0crash]

Mitsu+Honda+Nissan = Japanese version of Stellantis

[@aaronjaggan]

Renault too

[@davidpenwood5028]

Everyone can see how that is NOT working.

[@davidsentanu7836]

At least Stellantis has a legendary brand Jeep. The Harley-Davidson of automobiles. Mitsu Honda Nissan is like Stellantis but only FIAT, Citroen and Peugeot.

[@thelostgeneration2000]

Mitsubishi is a cnc tool manufacturer as well

[@Zuiyo1974]

I think if Renault is not extracted from the equation with in the merger, Honda will pull out. They are more cautious than it looks. I think they're doing due diligence since the Japanese government want Nissan saved no matter what, but Honda is independent in its essence and I would not be surprised if they call it off

[@reypogi6934]

Daihatsu is already within Toyota, Suzuki with Maruti. Poor Isuzu, but they're linked with Mazda somehow. The first japanese automaker to build barebone cars, without fancy electronics and have a real handbrake will be so sought after for the simplicity, therefore lower price never thought car companies could go Voltron.

[@ztutorials1257]

Honda should have rebadged the Clairity PHEV as the Accord PHEV and made a few minor changes such as removing the rear wheel skirts and the front pork chop lights. It would have been a massive hit if they could have made it profitably. I have a feeling they lost money on each Clarity model as they were experiments and compliance cars. I own a Clarity PHEV, and it has been fantastic!

[@morganfbilbo4659]

My only comment is that I own a Mitsubishi Outlander. A very capable and useful vehicle. Well built and fun to drive. The merger with Nissan added Nissan's front end collision and that's a good thing. So any merger between these brands could result in a better product and that's a good thing. Just as long as they keep the vehicle lines separate. Keep the distinction in designs.

[@davidsentanu7836]

Not many parts of a modern car are compatible between brands. Toyota couldn't even change the BMW buttons and knobs in their Supra. Changing one little thing may break a whole lot more than they would risked. This will end up with Honda cars rebranded as Nissan or Mitsubishi. Or the other way around. Axe a few lines (or most lines) and that's it.

[@morganfbilbo462]

@@davidsentanu7836 When Nissan merged with Renault, they pretty much stayed the same. I didn't see much French stuff on the Nissan. Then, Mitsubishi. My Outlander is still mostly Mitsubishi, but with Nissan's front end protection. The MO would slow down the car, but not stop. You needed to hit the brake. The new MO with Nissan FEP, the vehicle will come to a full stop. That is an improvement. So, any merger must preserve the original products integrity to remain competitive. MO retained the gas engine. Nissan Rogue has a turbo charged, very different.

[@Blank00]

Honda should develop an Atkinson version of K24 for Mitshibishi's PHEV. The K20C9 in the base Civic peoves that an Atkinson K series engine is possible

[@wny9521]

I f the Delica is affodable Ill buy it. LOOOKSSSSS so cool.

[@saulperez3612]

If merger was truly only to expand Hondas capabilities of making a hybrid system. I'm left asking myself questions. What happened to the technology in the Hybrid MDX, NSX, the Hybrid TLX, Clarity, and the Insight? My opinion they have the tech already just not the greatly recognized marketing ploy of each vehicle.

[@gman9mm1]

As long as Honda reliability isn’t compromised, I have no issue. Especially if it means things like the Silvia, Lancer, Eclipse (coupe), and an improved Z come out.

[@moorecable]

The big picture is Trucks, Suv, and other big vehicles to haul and move families. A Nissan Titan merged with a mitsubishi diesel and produced at scale by honda. At a price that average folks can buy one at.

[@bigdude101ohyeah]

The problem with Honda is that they've catered to the US market at the expense of everyone else.

[@amercancurry]

Their Pilot refresh came super late in the year and there was a lot of ADM in some areas. Also, was really hoping for a big Odyssey refresh but that didn't happen either. These things probably contributed to lower sales

[@TheZombiez69]

If Mitsubishi can get Honda to build then a smaller truck like triton, make it a plug in hybrid

[@Alozhatos]

I would if Mitsubishi going to full BEV.

[@relaxingwaves361]

They want Mitsu's off road tech

[@adambakkam1527]

and Hybrid tech. Honda's current 2 motor hybrid is same as Mitsu's proven design

[@davidsentanu7836]

They don't even rally anymore since... forever. Toyota has better offroad tech now thanks to GR.

[@mattkroening7964]

I wonder if the large size ehev will have a v6

[@TinoMiller]

Kirk Nissan has Hybrid vehicles .. Just not in the U.S an North America .. Nissan has -Rogue Hybrid -Kicks Hybrid -Aura Note Hybrid -March Hybrid and if you want to you can say they basically gave their hybrid system to Mitsubishi..

[@CT37BN]

A bigger number of Nissan cars compete with Honda, Toyota while Mitsubishi is more on the off-road vehicles which Honda has less of.

[@ericB3444]

They want Nissan to revive the maxima. They will turn every car from all the brands into maximas. This will become maxima nation. To make it exciting it will have cupholders that are gold plated.

[@au1317]

In unrelated news, reckless driving related deaths are up 1,576 %

[@Charigun]

One thing you're not doing research on and have made a statement... China incentivizes EVs*, not home brands. Japanese brands just don't have competing EVs. Tesla and other legacy brand EV buyers get all the same incentives as Chinese branded EV cars in China.

[@mohammedalhosni7014]

Why does every company push towards ugly designs

[@davidsentanu7836]

They tried to protect their next model. If a model looks too good, the next iteration would be a lot harder to sell. Toyota purposedly make the Prius look awkward to protect their Corolla and Camry. Big mistake. They had a head-start but didn't capitalize it. The moment they realized their mistake, they tried to make the Prius sexy. Too little to late.

[@ledebuhr1]

Being that Honda is losing money on the Prologue and the EV tax credit is maybe a thing of the past. That would encourage Honda to come out with Hybrids for their large platform vehicles.

[@richh650]

No longer looking forward to expensive auto manufacturing, for the first time in my life. Imagine the huge cost of keeping these two system hybrids on the road as they age post warranty expiration.

[@davidsentanu7836]

Cars are like smartphones now. A computer with a battery. Only on wheels. When a smartphone got old you buy a new one. Nobody fixes their phones or change the batteries anymore.

[@jngobngo]

Kirk! Already feeling good this weekend, even better now with 27 minutes of Honda talk.

[@faheemabbas3965]

inb4 someone says Nissan and Mitsubishi shouldn’t exist /s

[@Hschlick84]

Honda should make a climax and epilogue trim models.

[@nhokawa]

Japanese and American manufacturers need to reduce the lead time to bring out new innovations in order to compete with the Chinese (State supported) auto companies. I think it's only a matter of time before Chinese autos are available in the U.S. BYD already has operations in California manufacturing buses, coaches and forklifts!

[@ryanfraley7113]

I think it’s inevitable the Chinese build an auto factory in the US in the next four years

[@adambakkam1527]

Honda prologue EV is produced by GM. Yes General Motors assembles Prologue in Mexico alongside the Chevy Blazer EV. Both essentially the same.

[@nnr3]

Everyone knows this, both companies are literally very open about it. No need to keep repeat posting it.

[@davidpenwood5028]

Maybe that is why Prologue is NOT selling very well.

[@rays8346]

nobody can catch Tesla no wonder Tesla stock is over $400 vs others which they are from$10 to $80

[@thejake8099]

@ 24:09 hopefully if you're driving, you occasionally look at your fuel gauge or distance to empty, on gas, diesel, electric, or hybrid and know far you can drive and the locations of nearest refueling or recharging.

[@nicholaskalogris9985]

This would only make sense for Honda to enter the truck market. If they include Renault, it would help Honda in Europe.