Honest conversation about RACE | ft Alex Boye

[@TBIhope]

I like what he said about people judging you based on the first four seconds. I feel like that’s the truth! I have a disability, and I know that once I start talking, I’ve got about four seconds before people decide that I’m just a weird disabled girl who has a limp and sounds weird (I have a speech impediment). I wish things were different for every group of minorities-racial, physical, intellectual, sexual, and religious. I’m not perfect by any means, but I think God allowed these terrible injuries and their long-lasting effects to happen to me (note: I believe He *allowed* it, not caused it-I take full responsibility for that!) because I needed to learn empathy to a greater degree. I hope I can continue developing empathy throughout my life, preferably without another injury to remind me.

[@TBIhope]

david janbaz I like when we agree!

[@kerrimstone]

Alex Boye is doing a lot here. Showing members of the Church that this isn’t just a black struggle, but a Christian Struggle.

[@marthagodivala6726]

he went to church with my mum when they were ysa 👌my claim to fame

[@ahh-2-ahh]

Gaynel-Lyn, I absolutely love your show and I can feel your love and energy in these shows! I feel your love for the church and God and how your love and concern for others shine through your spirit. Even though I struggle with substance abuse, you help me rethink the way I feel about myself when I’m in my struggles. I’m not as hard on myself as I was b4, when I try to get sober. During my times thru sobriety, I use to hide in shame and avoid praying and talking to God because of all the guilt I had, that In Gods eyes, I had let Him down. I believe with all my heart in the church and it’s truths I have witnessed during my life. Watching these LDS videos, when I’m high or coming off of substance, helps me think more deeply about my situation and how to handle my sobriety. U guys always remind me that I have the upper hand in these struggles, not only because I belong to the true church of Jesus Christ.... but that God is always there ...and things aren’t that bad when I know I have God on my side. These are just some of the things you always remind me of, when I hear your spirit speak.... I then feel safe and ok to forgive myself and then to ask for forgiveness, and start over again! Thanks for your love!

[@shannonmaeswartz5316]

The gospel teaches us to be humbld so we can be teachable. We need to do this with race. Be open for the conversation.

[@shannonmaeswartz5316]

I think this conversation was led by the spirit. 💕💕

[@rowsbudd]

Alex Boye did a devotional at my seminary

[@juliabendixen2184]

This really helped me Alex. Thank you for your example.

[@bmo5082]

Everything has to be put into perspective. There are over 2 million African immigrants living in the United States of America. These are people that willfully chose to come here. If it was so bad here, I don't think they would have chosen to come, and certainly wouldn't have stayed.

[@15writergirl]

American might be slightly better than war and famine but not by much. Don't act superior.

[@shannonmaeswartz5316]

Your heart has hardened brother.

[@bmo5082]

cassandra williamson your comment has nothing to do with what I said. The USA is superior to Africa in nearly every economic measure. Again, millions of people are coming from Africa to the USA. Millions more from Africa to Europe. If Africa was such a nice place, why aren’t there millions of westerners flooding in? The answer is simple, good people - poor place to live. The only reason we don’t have 10s of millions more coming here from Africa is because we are separated by an Ocean, many people are too poor to make it here, and our immigration restrictions will not allow more low skilled workers to come here.

[@jabulani22shepo61]

​@@bmo5082The Africans should keep coming here as long as White Corporations are going there.

[@colestuart7649]

I can tell this segment is gonna be one of my favorites

[@anthonymagee5725]

He’s very animated and he seems to enjoy being on The Middle!!!

[@Hamann9631]

5:00. That was a terrible comment. That was stirring up contention! See 3 Nephi 11 to see who wants contention! Repent. If someone's grandma went through injustices through which the person isn't going, they should rejoice and feel good. That means things are getting better.

[@Hamann9631]

19:30. This wasn't all bad.

[@BobDunlock]

I'm optimistic about this new segment, but something bothering me about it is that the host keeps finishing Alex's sentences, and though she is engaged and trying to be helpful I found it distracting, and at times felt like it killed the flow of the natural conversation a little bit.

[@rksnote9635]

IMHO the hostess (Ganel-Lyn) has a lot of experiences and important information to share for our LDS members who are going through these "middle" events. However she can only carry this program so far by herself as she may only resonate with this small group of people. I wish she had a co-host to add more diversity.

[@Hamann9631]

I am feeling strong emotions because I served my mission in the hood. I didn't sacrifice my time for people who don't matter. There has been a rise in murders in big cities this year because of this lie spread by these 2. If you really believe black lives matter you will be for police doing their jobs.

[@Vickylee576]

Y’all don’t realize how y’all sound when y’all say “I did my mission in the hood”

[@Hamann9631]

@@Vickylee576 Huh? I don't get it. I sound like I was in a place with high crime, record murders, and many abandonned houses. I sound like I care about those people because I volunteered to go there.

[@Vickylee576]

@@Hamann9631 then you SAY that. You don’t say I did my missions in the hood. And if you care you don’t need to say I sound like I care. You want accolades. You really don’t care. You want to be able to say what you want like your an expert on black people because you helped a few. Not quite Saint. A caring person, a good person is subjective by the way. I’m going to make you think today Saint Joseph.

[@tpbarron]

Good job guys

[@DS-dh8pl]

This is really long because I was just thinking out loud, but i think the thought trail in itself is important: I think one of the biggest fears for people centers around extremism. While we are attempting to correct the problem of racism in the world, will we only give ammunition to further fuel it and just shift it onto the white population that is currently being considered the source of racism to begin with? For example. A common thing I hear (and ive been guilty of it myself) is "White" privilege or "White male dominated society". Being white has become the new monster in the closet, in many conversations, and is viewed as evil. White people, feel cornered and hated for the color of their skin. Hopeless, because it is a mess that we (most of us) want to fix but it also feels overhwelming and too pervasive in society to be able to battle, outside of just making it a conversation and trying to break down the walls through that conversation ourselves (often times it feels like talking to a brick wall). I personally, as a white person, have felt self hatred for the color of my skin. I have felt guilt for not being brown because of seeing what my husband has gone through. I have LITERALLY cried, because I dont want to be a color that is associated with so much hate. I have heard similar stories from the non white community, their self hatred came because they also didnt want to be pre judged as less than or "trouble" (like in your story Alex) just because they werent white. My husband was approached by a religion based, hate group that kept speaking of the "10 tribes" and taking power back from the white people. Their speech was similar to the KKK except it focused on white people being "less than". Part of me feels like the focus should be on racism as a whole and hearing EVERYONE'S stories of racism instead of only focusing on "white" racists. Because by making it only a problem with "the whites", you take personal responsibility for everyone else off the table and create a new victim, in the long run, as everyone begins to hate others just for being white. You said that you didn't see a single black person during the LGBT movement saying "what about me". That is probably true because you surround yourself with people who share your kind and thoughtful mind. But the reality is that i read hundreds of comments under dozens of articles/posts during the movement that came from members of the black community, that did just that. Typically it was under the argument that "you chose this, I didnt CHOOSE to be black" or other similar lines and it wasnt JUST people from the black community that did that, but I was giving an easy example. I agree with your take on it all. We are all better TOGETHER, we help each other grow and learn, we challenge each other to be better. But the reality is, extremists will always find a way to divide and conquer in all walks of life. One of the big things that occurred to me while reading more comments on "white culture is the problem, all racism comes from them" was this; in the wars between (I think it was) britain and scotland the Scots were seen as heathens, thugs, less than human because they had a different culture and way of life. That was between 2 white governments. When you look at governments (in regards to the topic of systemic racism) around the world where there are people being conquered and mistreated and seen as less than. It always boils down to the use of one or two tactics and it isn't typically race. It is religion or greed. These things become the tools because someone trying to take power for themselves wants to create an enemy to be the victor against, then they can come out looking like a hero and take power using that status. America is no different, HOWEVER, we built our whole system on the backs of slaves and by freeing them created a government that was inundated with a sub class of people with no real means/resources to take care of themselves (because slavery means you have to maintain control through monetary and educational depravations ) trying to claw and scratch their way into a society that had not made room for them. It just so happens, that due to the countries that sourced the majority of the slaves it turned it into an issue of being black because that was the visual commonality we could all grab onto due to the race of most slaves. Those racial and "primitive" cultural differences allowed Americans to be convinced by greedy slave traders that slavery wasnt immoral because these people werent their own they were "less than". How do we fight these kinds of mentalities and prevent them from taking over, over and over , again? There will ALWAYS be someone in the shadows trying to capitalize on division, through fears and blind hatred. Racism and other hurtful biggotries/hate is just a symptom of the bigger problem, poor mental health cretaed by a need to feel superior when everyone else is making you feel less than. So wouldnt coping mechanisms through a strong public mental health system help dial back the extremes and find more reasonable grounds so that racism/hate is virtually eliminated? In the mean time, we continue the have open conversations, like you said, allowing others pain to feel heard, while also trying to keep ourselves in check by putting the blame on the mental sources that cause racism to begin with, and learning to train our own minds to steer clear of those mental roads?

[@momtomany]

Thank you for this honest conversation.

[@PapaKryptoss]

Looks like "The Mom's View" old set. Very good discussion. Loved it

[@Hamann9631]

24:40. Actually, 70% of men in US prisons didn't have a father raise them. They had great connections with their mothers. Its their fathers to whom the don't have a connection!

[@annajohnson6289]

Great guest.

[@chichioko1446]

i would appreciate it if you change the title to "navigating racism" why "navigating race *issues*"? it sugar coats the problem. i'm a big fan of the channel, this is just some criticism.

[@SaintsUnscripted]

Chichi Oko Thanks for your comment! We just changed the title, thanks to your thought :) We decided to go with something that encapsulated more than just racism and more than just issues. Hopefully it's better!

[@chichioko1446]

@@SaintsUnscripted i appreciate it thank you

[@Hamann9631]

Have these 2 listened to the people whose families were murdered when the police pulled back and were less proactive after different instances which cause riots? Have these 2 listened to the black woman in New York City who was arrested by white police officers for painting of the words Black Lives Matter? Are these 2 living in the ghetto or middle class neighborhoods? Are these 2 at risk of the spikes in crime in the big cities because police don't want to be accuse of being brutal?

[@jabulani22shepo61]

You are part of the problem, follow Pres. Nelson

[@shandrews]

Wow that was good. Well done guys. 🙌🏼

[@Hamann9631]

400 years made it sound like we have had 400 years of the same or 400 years of bad times. This 400 years included American colonies of Britain trying to end slavery, but being overruled by King George. The Constitution limiting the power of slave owners by counting slaves who couldn't vote for less than a person. If they counted as a full person for representation the slave owners would have had more political power which could have been used to expand slavery. Early US laws banned importation of new slaves. Many abolitionists worked hard and were murdered or the targets of attempted murder. Joseph Smith ordained Elijah Abel and a few others. The Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act were passed with more Republicans voting for it than Democrats.

[@joeconnolly2525]

The basic story of the book of Mormon is a conflict between two peoples. God curses one group of people and their descendants with a darker skin. The whiter more righteous people fight with darker skinned bad people. Darker skinned people will get whiter as they get more righteous. Here are some references... (2 Ne. 5 : 21) And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. (2 Ne. 30 : 6) And then shall they rejoice; for they shall know that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God; and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white [pure, 1981] and a delightsome people. (Jacob 3 : 5) Behold, the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins (3 Ne. 2 : 14-16) And it came to pass that those Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites; 15 And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites; 16 And their young men and their daughters became exceedingly fair, and they were numbered among the Nephites, and were called Nephites.

[@brettmajeske3525]

You forget that they are not two races, but one family. White and Black Skin are Hebrew idioms for happiness and misery. In the war chapters the Lamanite soldiers could not tell the difference between fellow Lamanites and Nephites dressed up in Lamanite clothing.

[@mca4093]

@@brettmajeske3525 this is correct. But those who learn from memes do not scratch the surface. Within dark skinned cultures there are social structures based upon shades of skin. They are mainly symbolic, but in general "darkness" is seen a less desirable. Even though these people were not exposed to "white" people, they had notions about skin color gradient of their own making.

[@Hamann9631]

7:00. Alex knows what is in other people's minds? I used to have respect for him. Now I don't. See what God thinks about liars in Exodus 20.