Honest Trailers Commentary | Loki Season 2

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Honest Trailers Commentary | Loki Season 2
Hosted by Spencer Gilbert (@SpencerJGilbert)
Featuring: Lon Harris (@lons)
Tech Director: William Boxx
Content Manager: Mikołaj Kossakowski
FANDOM
Supervising Producer: Max Dionne
Senior Producer: Billy Patterson
Post-Production Manager: Emin Bassavand
Post-Production Specialist: Rebecca Castaneda

[@SophyVlogs]

Totally agree on the Loki/Sylvie stuff. It was so central to Season 1. Gutted we didn't get a proper reconciliation in Season 2. I did love Loki's story this season, but a lot of characters got sidelined which was disappointing.

[@Zeppelinschaffner22]

I felt very proud of myself when it was revealed that the whole Loom Extension couldn't work because you can't scale for infinity. It was the first thing I said to myself when the solution was introduced and I was so happy the show didn't pretend it wasn't stupid

[@PlantedPie-vm9mf]

Completely agree, this could have been such a wonderful show

[@HindSenhaji]

Feeling less alone in my feelings for Loki S2, thank you guys for putting into words what I've been grappling with when I finished that season! Loki S1 truly was elite

[@bine-chan4794]

Couldn't agree more on what went wrong with Loki s2. I loved the first episode and was intrigued by the different visual style they went for this season. But then I kept waiting for meaningful character interactions and resolutions for another five weeks and instead the finale ended up just sort of doing THAT. It left me disappointed and sad (more like depressed) over all the wasted potential but on the bright side made me appreciate s1 even more. So THANK YOU for the Honest Trailer! I could tell you felt similarly and it really cheered me up big times 😂❤

[@killua6342]

Thank you!!! You guys voicing out my problems with this season!! Many people got fooled by that cgi mumbo jumbo magic at the finale that they ignore the glaring plot holes

[@violettka1241]

Finally, someone who’s not ignoring the problems of season 2. Best honest trailer commentary so far and so brave, love you ❤

[@Mark_o_Helm]

The saddest moment in Sliders is when he gets home and the garden door is not squeeking anymore, so he thinks it's not his home. He slides away and his mom comes out and thanks the neighbor for finally fixing the door.😭😭😭

[@scaper8]

My headcanon has always been that that still wasn't their Earth, just because it hurts so much. LOLsob

[@brain525]

Thank you for voicing every problem I had with this season!!

[@rachelh2816]

The new TVA was hunting Kang variants so that way they could keep all the timeline branches but be on the lookout for kang variants. That's why they mentioned Ant Man and the MCU universe at the end.

[@chrisxx5583]

It’s a way to write out Kang/Majors if they need to

[@xsanguine8]

The Ragnarok mural was about the brutal conquest that got them here, like a look at all our achievements, and then they rebranded to be an enlightened society with noble intentions and bloodline.

[@stagewalker]

I feel like part of the gripes here are because of what I am still convinced is a missing episode between 1 and 2. Clearly a good deal of time has passed between these episodes ("but time works differently in the TVA"). I got the impression though that Loki had been working with Mobius and the others for months; enough time for factions to have been formed, alliances cemented, etc.

[@Timlagor]

That was missing about half way through S1

[@mirkecWii]

Its the 6 episodes shtick, It still boggles my mind that Marvel/star wars does that.

[@lukasbohnenkamper4954]

In the real world, the Assyrian kings loved to display scenes of their bloody conquests in their palaces. So the Odin and Hela ceiling isn't that far fetched.

[@XenFayed]

But Loki didn't maintain the status quo at the TVA...by replacing the temporal loom and running things differently, they're no longer pruning branching timelines.

[@expectationlost]

why does time need to be managed?

[@brianalice]

To prevent the big Multiversal war and return of He Who Remains.

[@user-ed7dy1mq9u]

There was a whole conversation about it at the end of season 1. The dude even made little moving dioramas!😂

[@hkaayaakuu]

I was very turned off by the pitch of the show, loki traveling through time shenanigans

[@danielsettle3942]

I think the digs are fair but the ending was really good and not to admit that feels a bit mean

[@damyy2ou]

I very much agree with you guys. It was a disappointment for me. I continued watching but got bored at episode 3. The final minutes weren't enough to make me feel like it was worth the wait. I'm still fond of season 1 but overall I don't have much hope for the mcu.

[@MitchMako]

for me timely was nobody.... was a variant put there by who remains to give hope to Loki so he finally decides to save him.....

[@bobaboba1760]

You guys are so right! don’t listen to the people complaining about this take, i also felt that season 2 just lacked the emotional depth of season 1. Yes, Loki realized that he needed his friends at the End of Time, but let’s be honest, he barely knew Casey, B15, or OB. He only had a deep connection with Sylvie and Mobius. With season 2 not allowing Loki to continue his romantic connection with Sylvie, and TBH although Mobius and Loki had a lot of screen time, they didn’t really build upon their friendship either.

[@c4ll]

What I love about season 2 is that a lot of the marvel series started strong then the final episode was straight up bad, I feel this way about Moon knight, miss Marvel, what if and probably more. it's refreshing to see a show that drags a bit in the middle but really brings it towards the end , huge character finale for the main character going full circle ascending to his throne

[@patrickmike2524]

Lon wants it to be Doctor Who but then mad they’re just running around. Running around is a lot of Doctor Who

[@hkaayaakuu]

Good writing probably came between Loki becoming Drwho

[@ivansantiago8363]

I actually understand your criticism. I think this bond creating would’ve shown more if there was 2 to 3 episodes where Loki is having adventures with his team and half an episode transitioning to the main theme of season 2. Other than that, I feel it was a great way to develope Loki. So far Guardians 3, Spider Man and Loki are the only good things marvel has and will have at the moment.

[@hilariousl]

Loved Kang in every variant...

[@ShellsGhost1]

I really appreciated the commentary. The critiques in the trailer were some of the best. The show was a sloppy meaningless mess until the very end. The ending was great but a show like Wandavision is much better episode by episode with a not so great ending. Loki season 2 was the inverse

[@sunnyahmed9758]

I’m here now fulfilling my GLORIOUS PURPOSE

[@feelingshare]

Lon Harris said it all. I repeat, their relationship was the main thread of this series. They threw it away. No wonder we're frustrated. Nothing good about season two. Even the ending is hard to watch cause Loki is punished and it's so unfair to him. All the beauty of season one's gone. Thanks to him for speaking up for us, sylki shippers.

[@BaronOfHell666]

You were complaining about the extreme loki variants and that made no sense. Most of those were taken from the comics. But it makes sense just in the show. Lokicis is a god or being with great power. He is part frost giant. He has the ability to change form and has gotten stuck in different forms or just chosen to live in a different form. So of the marvel characters that would have the most wild variants loki would be at the top because of his nature. Look at how many variants spider man has without the ability to shape change.

[@marshsundeen]

She Hulk was faithful to certain comic runs.

[@FoxyAlphaRogerTango]

Kraven is going to flop so badly and I'm not sure Sony learned enough to not fall for the Morbius trick again.

[@EvanPretzer]

For me please do Ski School 1 and 2.

[@jclebourdais10]

Either make us thirsty, or we'll just move on. Or the mainstream audience will realise what comics readers already know : illusion of change, the same villains coming back again and again.

[@matchsticks4]

Unpopular Opinion: I liked and miss SheHulk 😢

[@Timlagor]

Origin Stories belong in the pre-credits. We don't need a whole movie for them ever again.

[@JoshLange3D]

Agreed, across the spider verse perfected it

[@BriBlazing]

A black lady fetch quest made me CACKLE!! lol 😂

[@venn5510]

False. Victor Timely helped OB create the second volume of the TVA book.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Disney Forced the writers to abandon the Sylvia/Loki relationship because people where WAY INSANELY PRUDISH when it came to them two characters hooking up

[@AloisWeimar]

In the studio with Danielle next week ?

[@psand60640]

Thanks for that y'all. I was sad the trailer wasn't funnier. Marvel fatigue feels like it's sucking the joy out of everything.

[@TinyRiver97]

1:37 Sorry dude, but YOU can't decide to not be a shipper, YOU don't choose the ship, the ship choose you. You are in the Sylki ship, you like it or no. Now let's go read some fics.

[@terranceporter2644]

Tim Burton's Willy Wonka next week?

[@waywardmind]

It's just called Wonka (and Tim Burton isn't the director of this new one). But I agree. Likely Wonka next week

[@ginogarcia8730]

hmmm for us young-ins i dunno what sliders is but looks cool, i hope i can catch some episodes

[@sidwasistdennhierlos2272]

elon musk loki challange: make yourself the only content monitor/moderator on all of twitter and have it shut down automatically whenever you are not moderating

[@MrArudark]

I´m the 420th like... i hope

[@jclebourdais10]

it's not the quantity the problem on Disney +, it's the quality. Most of what they produced there was sub par writing, too long at the beginning, too short at the end

[@omalor]

Did you guys miss the ending of season 1? Loki and Sylvie had a major disagreement and Sylvie did the opposite of what Loki wanted, there was no path for a continued romance from there!

[@erikstevenson8508]

Famously no relationships in media ever encounter any major disagreements.

[@omalor]

@erikstevenson8508 but the Sylki shippers wanted their romance to continue, but what I'm saying is that there was no path for that, however, they still had scenes together to flesh out their relationship, like their fight in the ferris wheel in Chicago, the pie room, the bar, etc.

[@erikstevenson8508]

@@omalor There absolutely was a path for that. The writers of the show could absolutely write the story for S2 with Sylvie & Loki still having a romantic relationship. You seem to be saying that "there was no way to write a story that resulted in Sylvie and Loki still being together" and that's simply incorrect.

[@omalor]

@@erikstevenson8508 but then it would be out of character for Sylvie to be with Loki again, and people would be complaining about that instead.

[@renobutters]

@@omalor from the moment they determined that in the end he'd sacrifice his 'life' to save everyone else, they knew he'd end up alone (meaning it's simpler to just call off the whole romance due to the fallout of s01e06), and yet he looked at Sylvie with dewy eyes in the end, implying he's doing all that out of love for her (and friendship for the others). I agree the second season should have addressed their relationship or lack thereof, though-- it seems like all they focused on was the idea was that she was now in love with an entire branch (no boyfriend we know of), making her kind of a philosophical allegory rather than a full fledged character like in season one. Yet, the actress made it work. Kudos for trying something different.

[@derheadbanger9039]

The MCU really messed up when different timelines and the Multiverse became the same thing.

[@yaghoulfaith5079]

44:24 THANK YOU SPENCER! Also why is no one talking about the Celestial that just appeared in the sky at the end of Eternals?

[@quentin7408]

there's a shelf life on this type of stuff. expired

[@angelpipessd]

Yeah sorry guys. I’m out on this one. Do not agree

[@dupersuper1938]

I'm so tired of people whining about the latest MCU story. I have Marvel fatigue fatigue.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Lol...that's the schtick of whole channels lol

[@JoeyG94]

Yall need to read city of amber it explains all this timeline stuff really well and I just use that and it makes since 9 time out of 10. Also I really liked this season the part I absolutely hate is the victor timely stuff. His performance, his role in the show, and stupid cyclical timeline just fell flat and I didn’t care about any of it.

[@Hiccuple]

I really disagree with a lot of your guys's takes on this one. I really, really enjoyed this show throughout and the change from season 1 to 2. Didn't need just a retread of season 1 or for it to simply be episodic. Like you said, that already exists in dr who or sliders. Go watch those shows if you like them more. Stop the incessant complaining for a show that is clearly not those shows. Sorry, just being honest.

[@SpiritLife]

I was about to defend Loki Season 2 until you mentioned Sliders and then I understood how much better Loki could have been

[@Sarahthelunsford]

How are you surprised that Disney supports the Status Quo? Love you guys ❤😊

[@me45116]

Watch season 1 and than S2ep6 and you all set and minimal time loop gibrish

[@aishatillmon7253]

Ughhhh Loki learned to value his friends the people he was closest to at THE END OF TIME. He found his glorious purpose by saving them and him being alone. For y’all to be so smart y’all completely missed the mark on this one. The trailer felt salty mean and completely unfunny 💁🏾

[@nicholasmilillomusic]

Completely agree.

[@sarahdahlheimer9233]

They're all so over the MCU (which, to be fair, is not exactly in a great place right now), it's not even analysis anymore. It's just gripes.

[@aaronmatthew7280]

Chill bro it’s just a show

[@Teatime25]

You're describing the last few minutes of the season whereas they're critiquing the rest of the season. Nobody that loved the show is actually refuting any of their very valid points, I've noticed, just going on about Loki's final scene. I enjoyed the whole thing but mainly because of the good will built up through the first season and the love of the characters established through that.

[@damienlu7318]

Season 2 of Loki was straight buns, stop making excuses for this terrible season.

[@Pinkie_JediJew]

Whilst I don’t 100 or even 50% agree with you guys on this one, I do think your thoughts on this have produced one of the best trailers you’ve ever made! Amazing work guys!

[@casuallychallenged]

I agree with most of what Lon said. I liked this season at the end, but the problem is that the way it ended, felt like it could have been just a couple more episodes tacked on at the end of the first season instead of 6 interminable long and chaotic episodes in two seasons. The most honest part of this trailer is the analogy of the show to the current state of Marvel and the Multiverse "Saga" that is just falling flat on its face and has gone well beyond breaking its figurative nose and is just smashing itself into the floor over and over and over again... Fully agree that it is time to either reboot completely, or just get rid of the multiverse and return to telling CHARACTER stories instead of EPIC PLOTS that no one cares about.

[@hkaayaakuu]

I didnt care for either season

[@brianalice]

Just one minute in and …wow. “Their relationship is the show.” That’s a really limited, narrow reason to enjoy a show. That’s the kind of fandom that puts Han and Leia in a later sequel or Marian in movies 4 and 5.

[@sylvie9648]

But it is the truth. The relationship between Loki and Sylvie was the emotional core of the show and even Waldron said the story is about Loki and Sylvie.

[@erikstevenson8508]

I am 100% in agreement with Lon, loved Loki S1, was bored with and disliked S2, greatly missed the Loki/Sylvie relationship which was replaced by the King McGuffin of the Temporal Loom.

[@NatsumiMovies]

This might be one of the worst Honest Trailers you've ever made. I don't like the current state of the MCU either but even I have to admit that Loki S2 was really good. This is like Nostalgia Critic's The Wall levels of missing the point so hard it's absolutely infuriating

[@Chad0023]

The digs are justified coz of a lot of filler, but you guys missed the ending, which was the best part of the show and the MCU in a while it's just that Kang is very non threatening

[@aishatillmon7253]

Meh this was a very meh trailer. 😒 it fell so flat for me 💁🏾

[@matheuslascasas134]

Well, for what it’s worth I side more with you guys than with the rest of the internet on this one. This felt very plot oriented and really light on character, which is fine I guess, except for the fact that the plot is absolutely silly and nonsensical pseudo-techno mumbo jumbo.

[@YesterdaysMoose]

McDonald's was the most blatant, forced, and shameless product placement since Krispy Kreme in Power Rangers (2017). Never once have I considered McDonald's a "great meal", in fact it legit used to make me sick. That whole sequence took me right out of the story, it was utterly pointless.

[@chrisfoye1574]

It's fine. But you're wrong. But that fine.

[@mahirrahmananan7025]

This honest trailer wasn’t funny first of all and the digs are coming from the people who had the monthly salaries by making shows about marvel. The days are going by and honest trailer isn’t being honest and suddenly becoming more less honest and more about hating marvel

[@austinchoy7677]

Apparently Loki fans are the Joker fans of the Marvel. They're just completely unable to accept criticism

[@meva4679]

Why do do you actively choose to review Marvel shows when you clearly hate them, think they are irrelevant and out of date? Saying everything "should have been a movie" is a tired complaint. Saying the multiverse is "too confusing" is childish. Saying why are they bringing up Thanos is like asking why is the greatest event ever in history not being referenced or having an impact moving forward?

[@nrcaine]

Didn’t like this at all, the show was great and y’all sound utterly miserable. Didn’t make it 8 minutes in.

[@kevindelgado1459]

People that dont understand how co voluted and messy the writting is the whole season for one great scene at the end is huffing some hard copium MCU isnt your personality is ok

[@brianalice]

Thinking the writing was convoluted is a big tell. It’s easy to follow if you’re a fan of time travel stories.

[@fedwyn]

First time hearing the argument that the people that understand the story are not the smart ones

[@josechung7713]

My bare minimum would be that The Last Jedi didn't exist.

[@Timlagor]

Spitting in the face of Physics is fine but they spat in the face of narrative consistency and anything resembling logic. It's not hard to understand because it's complicated. It's hard to understand because it Makes No Sense.

[@fluphybunny930]

Hard to believe they made Hiddleston's Loki this boring and yet another terrible story line/script. It was background noise only a few episodes into the season. Season one was okay with the hope it could improve. It did not. EDIT: also anything that is a "Snyder cut" is just a longer version of a bad film.

[@heidiwills4259]

Ugh, I hate Willy Wonka. Do something else.

[@marshsundeen]

It felt like you all were watching a completely different show. Stop doing Marvel projects if you cannot be fair. Why I watch these expecting you all to have taste, is on me.

[@AndresPerez-op7zc]

2/10 commentary

[@1Rhettsgirl13]

I love how they abandoned the Sylvie and Loki storyline. It felt forced and the writers always had her defeating and dismissing Loki. I wish she would disappear for good. (I'm not some angry incel either 😂.)

[@folalde]

Their criticism of season two is hilarious. They want this to be Doctor Who and Sliders so bad. If that’s what you want, those series are available to watch. But I must say, we needed more Hydra Helicarriers for season two.