Honest Trailers Commentary - The Greatest Showman

[@fandomentertainment]

What's your guess for next week's trailer? What parts of The Greatest Showman did you like or dislike? Let us know in the comments below and thanks for watching! One, speak up and join the conversation- we encourage respectful debate. Two, respect your community- racism, misogyny, and homophobia aren’t tolerated. And three, “be nice.” - Dalton from Roadhouse

[@traceylshore9305]

There was a Broadway musical called Barnum, starring Jim Dale and Gelnn Close back in the 80s. It is more historically accurate than this movie, although it does take liberties. I know there is a filmed version starring Michael Crawford.

[@tildenorberg3529]

Tracey L Shore I actually think it's playing in London right now, or at least it did a couple of months ago

[@joshtorok1983]

I love honest trailer commentaries not just for the discussion of the trailer but also of the film. It’s basically a candid review as well as a breakdown of the film. More people should know this as could increase the view count :)

[@michaelleone9931]

I am guessing it will be “The Commuter”.

[@elizabethmann2290]

ScreenJunkies News I have to agree with Dan a bit. While I enjoyed a lot of the songs from the film, I felt like the story was choppy. It gives a very inaccurate depiction of how this circus was in the 1800s. Lol these people are literally used and it's never addressed, I found that odd! I didn't connect with the story at all. 🤗

[@NJ-wb1cz]

Waiting for Hitler : The Musical A story about an unappreciated tormented painter who finds new ways to express his creativity, inspires ordinary people, finds love, yet gets crushed by the jealous critics and commits suicide.

[@LadyGagadriel]

The 'He wasn't a good guy' song should win a Oscar.

[@TCampbell]

Some of us appreciate those who take a stand against lies. Keep it up.

[@KDMantz]

Anyone else feel like Dan is, like, two seconds away from losing his shit this entire video? 😂

[@michaeldebellis4202]

Yes! There was one point where I swear he was about to give the movie the finger (when they talk about the critic character) and he just held up his index finger instead

[@chasehughes2735]

In honor of the "Historical Accuracy" of PT in the Greatest showman, I wanna pitch a Bio Pic, of how critic Dan Murrell stood up in the face of adversity defending a little musical that could and championed the film to an unprecedented success. "Legs" coming soon to a streaming service near you.

[@georgespoulet8732]

Chase Hughes I smell huge financial success with this one

[@jesustorres354]

I think the strangest thing about this movie is just that they wrote great music and developed pretty decent choreography for a worthless persons made up story.

[@jtse09]

Unfortunately that's the only way it could've been made. If there isn't a name or existing IP attached, it's super hard to sell to studios. For musicals especially since writing/choreographing/workshopping the songs require immensely more rehearsal and work than your regular movie.

[@laurelwelch6295]

I agree. I'm sure there were reasons for why it was made as his story, but I agree with Dan that it would have been more powerful coming from the "freaks" (Barnum's word) than from Barnum's perspective. Honestly, most of the music could have been used in a completely different context and still worked. Nothing about the music indicated the time it was in or was extremely reliant on the Barnum storyline, so it could have easily been put into another story.

[@Dhjdhriens]

Jesus Torres yeah like there are so many actually decent people in history and they chose a evil person

[@Rugelacharugula]

I thought that too! Like, why couldn't it just be a nameless, fictional guy?

[@dontworry5696]

''IIIIII owned a slave, I killed six whalllles!''

[@joshtorok1983]

If only they called him something other than PT Barnum, then half the issues that people had with the film would go away. I loved this film in spite of its Hamminess, but it shouldn’t have been made as a biopic.

[@logirex]

It was not made as a biopic. Even the movie Lincoln is NOT a biopic. Did anyone alive expect this so-so hollywood musical to be historically accurate ?

[@joshtorok1983]

logirex Regardless of whether it’s a biopic, biographical musical, portrait or whatever, it was still telling a story about real people that lived in this world and making a total fantasy around them. I just don’t see why they had to give the characters real names when the story is so far from the truth.

[@cubsandculturemitch4250]

Why are you expecting honesty from a PT Barnum film? Do you know nothing about PT Barnum?

[@joshtorok1983]

Cubs and Culture Mitch of course I know about PT Barnum. There’s no need to be condescending. My point is that a small disclaimer at the beginning, “in the spirit of PT Barnum, we present this tale as he would have told it” or changing names isn’t such an awful thing. It then doesn’t detract from the film for anyone who might be swayed by alternate facts. Our society today is grappling with the realities of the truth and while we need fun films like this which are incredibly enjoyable, their legacy shouldn’t be tarnished by presenting a villain as a hero for all the reasons discussed in this video

[@cubsandculturemitch4250]

The film does everything in its power to tell you that it is bullshit. It repeatedly states that truth, reality is beside the point. The two most obvious examples are first the very first stanza you hear ends with the lines " Taking your breath, stealing your mind, And all that was real is left behind;" second, the first main story beat is Barnum being slapped for telling the truth. All of the songs in the movie have elements of fantasy to them and the very first scene you see is clearly in the head of Barnum. As such I think it is painfully obvious that the author of the screenplay, the story teller here, is actually Barnum. It's so obvious that this is the point that I am frankly surprised very few people have seem to pick up on it. Because of this feature the movie is absolutely bullshit, but knowing bullshit. The joys people take from the film are precisely the same sort of joys people take from things like "this way to the egress" and other classic Barnumism. Those joys *are* morally dubious but it has nothing to do with the film per se. It's just Barnumism as such. Second, because of this feature the film ultimately does *not* present Barnum as a good person. Indeed the film presents him as a huckster and conman, who is so desperate to be respected he is willing to bullshit about anything to get the rubes to love his show. The reason for this is, of course, Barnum the character's flaw is how he is desperate to fit in with respectable people and tries to escape his past. So putting the two thoughts together Barnum the story teller ends up white washing his past to fit in with the respectable people of the (film) audience. There are cogent arguments to make about the film but the general complaint of it being widely inaccurate or whitewashing Barnum isn't one of them. If you are paying attention to the actual text of the film all the negative aspects of Barnum, including killing animals, should occur to you when watching it. They certainly did to me. Behind the glamour of the songs, the film is actually deeply biting and cynical about human beings and it makes the point, repeatedly, that the rubes prefer empty nonsense to truth. There's a sucker born every day because we all are suckers. I loved this film because it *somehow* managed to have its cake and eat it too. It's entertaining nonsense. It, also, captured the worst aspects of Barnum, and Barnumism, in a very Barnum way. The movie is completely meta and it's so disappointing that people only tend to see the meta stuff around the critic character. More to the point it's just stupid going into a Barnum biopic and expecting honesty. It is like thinking Trump won't perjury himself under oath. Screen Junkies repeatedly complained that people would think Lind was a homewrecker because of this movie. But that thought never occurred to me because the film told me it was a pack of lies repeatedly. I thought that sequence show that Barnum trying to explain away his troubled relationship with his family as bullshitters are want to do. In short, the film contains the disclaimer, repeatedly, that you said should be there. The critical reaction to this film is completely assbackwards.

[@GoatPopsicle]

I just couldn’t get past the real story to enjoy this film.

[@patrickblanchette4337]

Same here.

[@barbaro267]

That's too bad.

[@xr9588]

same i aint watching it now uh uh

[@ATLAoftheHill]

Anybody else see this as Hugh Jackman finally getting to persue his passion projects now that he is done with Wolverine? Like we are in for a lot of stuff like this from him here on out?

[@papamoosey1595]

20:03 - 20:40 Dan couldn't provide his dulcet tone to the musical shenanigans because he had a standing walk-in appointment with Dr. Robert Crentist, DDS

[@agirlnamedbrett.]

i look forward to these every tuesday, whether ive seen the movie or not. is it just me? lol Dan i still heart you!!!

[@nohbuddy1]

This is the Disney version of PT Barnum essentially

[@99lodewijk]

The disney version would learn a lesson.

[@pattheplanter]

I was thinking more the Leni Riefenstahl version of PT Barnum.

[@Neoyoshi-FFXIV]

Yep! xD

[@margarethafalco63]

lou mertens True

[@barbaro267]

Disney is always the Disney version of a classic fairy tale or real story. Just take Mulan for instance. That was a real story. And Pocahontas! And don't get me started on Hunchback of Notre Dame....that book had NO happy ending for Esmerelda (who was hanged for being a witch because she taught her goat how to form words out of letter tiles) or Quasimodo (who crawled into the tomb where Esmerelda was buried so he could lay next to her and die alongside her corpse). And Phoebus was a sex-crazed narcissist who didn't care for Esmerelda enough to help her once she got into trouble. I love the Disney film, but I hate how they botched the story. Disney is known for this, and what Fox did really did feel like the same thing LOL

[@benabramowitz18]

18:55 Oh boy, if you guys want to see a Greatest Showman take on Titanic, you should probably check out the animated movie _The Legend of the Titanic._ Actually, you shouldn't.

[@Snekfan88]

Don't! D O N ' T

[@amybrown1823]

Now I NEED a Matthew McConaughey version of this movie...

[@Eddgarur]

Jenny Lind is a Swedish hero, she had her face on currency for christ sake... I'm surprised at the lack of outrage.

[@jameskay5717]

It could have been a really good, true, dark, comedic musical directed by Tim burton.

[@jonykaa739]

This could have been a Chicago-esque musical with overdrawn characters where everyone is kind of a jerk, then maybe it would have been actually good.

[@obt2002]

This is literally everything I’ve thought about this movie. Thank you

[@shr6482]

Lmao, Dan is put in a difficult spot here. XD You do you, Dan! You do you!

[@roguechevelle]

I love Dan!

[@roguechevelle]

Yes if they wanted it to be about P.T. Barnum it would have been more interesting to do it from the people in the freak show's perspective. Make you feel more for their characters and have a much stronger message as a whole. And a musical doesn't have to be riddled with a ton of songs that are mostly forgettable with a few exceptions. It's more impactful to have a refined soundtrack with mostly outstanding memorable songs.

[@gravityinreverse6026]

I Dont Watch The Actual Honest Trailer, I Like Watching It With Your Commentary. SO PLEASE DONT STOP MAKING THESE

[@nestlecookie9857]

once again, another great trailer and commentary 👍

[@HenrikAskestad]

Jenny Lind was on the Swedish 50 kronor note between 1996 and 2016.

[@MorsecodeZ]

Wow ... I actually thought Zac was supposed to be Bailey ... I didn't even notice he wasn't. LOL

[@andersonfamily]

I loved The Greatest Showman.... BUT also died laughing with this cause its all on point!!!

[@Rose-xm4og]

Dianna Anderson lol true

[@PamperedDuchess]

My personal takeaway from "The Greatest Showman": "That was the most beautiful film about the most despicable human being I have ever had the displeasure being aware of."

[@mohammadfletcher5312]

that McConaughey-thing in the end was awesome! also, psyched about Baby Driver!!

[@Molson-xg9hs]

I was laughing to the point of tears during the whole saving the whales/ninja dog-man/McConaughey section. About McConaughey and P.T. Barnum...he basically voices a Barnum-esque character in Sing. He's a koala ineptly running a theater, comes up with an idea of a singing contest for a cash prize he doesn't have, has the whole theater destroyed and then somehow everything works out, no one hates him, the show goes off great and the theater is rebuilt without him really learning a lesson. Sing isn't good, but it definitely is the only movie featuring two porcupines singing "Love Interruption."

[@danigirl103]

If they had just made this a story about a guy who wanted to start a circus, it would’ve been better. I still love the movie, just don’t know why you have to base the movie on a real person if you’re not telling that persons story, like at all.

[@angeltalk23]

THANK YOU!!!! I needed this, I walked out of the theater like there was no story develop or character what so ever in the movie. I only love the visual effects and songs in the movie.

[@jamesgomez1352]

I enjoyed this movie a lot but the choice of Pt as the main character was questionable since they were so off base. If they just made it up some bs story I think this would’ve been more effective. Edit: The McConaughey bit was gold

[@lucylume]

Agreed x

[@KennedyBoston]

Never not gonna be salty about “The Nightingale” being a fucking alto. I’m a contralto/alto and could hit that! LIKE WHAT THE FUCK?! Also how I went to the bathroom and everyone hated Barnum and then I come back and they’re singing and dancing with him!

[@jennibee2307]

That was therapeutic for me 😂 I wanted to love this movie. Watching this channel all these years has certainly helped turn me into a more critical thinker when it comes to movies. Sometimes that's a double edged sword. All of the points you raised are exactly why I couldn't get on board with this movie. Thank you for tackling this completely weird movie!

[@brynrichmond3055]

I always go and click the honest trailer and give it a thumbs up and then come over and watch the commentary. Committed to giving you endless support lol.

[@KennedyBoston]

Never not gonna be salty about “The Nightingale” being a fucking alto. I’m a contralto/alto and could hit that! LIKE WHAT THE FUCK?!

[@kcsupersonic1]

Nicely done everyone!!! I loved The Greatest Showman and I defended it a lot when SJ had their initial review of the movie. Having established that, no one in their right minds believes that The Greatest Showman is an accurate portrayal of P.T. Barnum's life so I loved that you all poked fun at the woeful inaccuracies present in the story in hilarious musical style!

[@oneopinion6806]

kcsupersonic1 I don't begrudge anyone who enjoyed it for a musical, my wife love to bits. That being said, there's a difference between inaccurate and painting an arguably cruel con man as the good guy. Then again I love Sufjan Stevens' "John Wayne Gacy Jr. " so who am I to judge.

[@ShaniBellla]

lol yeah , like no one is going into The Greatest Showman going can't wait to see this hard hitting biopic, and if anyone believed this movie to be an ounce factual well God help them

[@cubsandculturemitch4250]

PT Barnum, if you actually follow the text of the film, comes out looking awful.

[@emilyniedbala]

In regards to the pre-promotion, they also premiered “This Is Me” at Elsie Fest which is a music festival in NYC created by Darren Criss that is for stars of the stage and screen, so that section of the Broadway crowd was already on board.

[@peoplepeople21]

My brother told me to see a movie about PT Barnum staring Hugh Jackman I was so excited about. I sit down and my greatest Nightmare came to life. "Ladies and Gentlemen this is the moment you've been waiting for" I got fucked over so badly

[@goldenlightpictures6223]

Next week's trailer: Baby driver?

[@benabramowitz18]

Yeah, but I was hoping for the first season of Westworld.

[@simpleos9814]

Golden Light Pictures It's Baby Driver alright

[@goldenlightpictures6223]

Lol hi Sam!! you watch honest trailer commentaries too?! yay I'm no the only one!!:D

[@TheFranciscoFm]

Is either that or a weird 3 for 1 honest trailer for "Pitch Perfect", "Drive" and "3 Men and a Baby".

[@job3rg]

Think it's too late for Baby Driver. But we can still hope.

[@christophermoreno1615]

“I’m the bearded lady! What are you, one of the freaks?!”

[@UniquelyPenny]

I’m the freak, I’m the person that if I was born in that era, and had lived I would have been exploited. This movie glorifies an era that had real consequences where people who were different were sold to. For everyone who says “it’s just a movie” hasn’t lived my life where even today I get mocked, laughed at, starred at. I’ve never seen myself represented positively in media, EVER and it’s 2018. I see myself as the villain..... as the freak.

[@dynamitejimi]

This is definitely one of the best HT commentary ever.

[@SuperCred1t]

Adding your own music was a great touch

[@seanrector5264]

That "King of Bullshit Mountain" reference was amazing and I thank you for it. Lol

[@quilabright4263]

I watched this movie after watching this video. During the fire scene all I could think of was "oh no, the whales are dying, again!" And the critic morphed into Dan.

[@dreacranford]

Dan charting The Greatest Showman: I didn't like this movie...but the people definitely do. Dan IS the critic from the movie.

[@bordatwork]

The only good thing about this movie was it causing the panel to talk like 1880's carnival barkers.

[@_kimhanley]

When it comes to glossing over history in a musical the point of no return is the "Springtime for Hitler" threshold if your musical crosses that line you've glossed too far

[@Clothy22]

After watching this, I would watch the hell out of movie about P.T. Barnam. Not this movie, but a movie about how bad he was.

[@pigmiwarriorentertainment274]

Kudos to whoever put that edit in of the beheading with the little girl's reaction, I didn't even notice that in the film. Why couldn't they just have made the film about a fictional character? What, Zac Efron wasn't Bailey??? That's news to me. 'The Greatest Conman' was a good one, that would've been a great pick. I'd have liked the trailer to focus on how meta the message was, that really stuck out for me. It felt like the script was written to excuse itself

[@ShinigamiCustoms]

Geez, I just love Cap's Age of Ultron costume. Perfect. Probably my favorite comic book hero movie suit.

[@RyanFilmMaker]

Dan why are you a monster?-Joe Starr. Needs to be on a shirt

[@twincast2005]

11:42 Well, they lost a dozen ships, not just one.

[@jenpotcher3419]

I do agree that if a film is about a person, it should be somewhat historically accurate. I loved the film... mostly because of the music of course, and love the message. But, I do wish it would have been about a fictional circus man instead of glorifying Barnum.

[@captaincrunch784]

The dog boy ninja scissor kick take down during the brawl was a highlight in the film!

[@lindax8604]

yeeessss, excited for next week!

[@OlympiaStudiosProduction]

It's okay Joe, I got your Spinal Tap reference at the beginning of the video. 11 forever.

[@nicole.z.624]

“That lit the fire that burned down the First Order” lmao that’s gold

[@benabramowitz18]

I know you’re doing Baby Driver next week, although I was really hoping you’d do the first season of Westworld in time for the second season.

[@LightmyWay23]

A Westworld trailer would be awesome!

[@kriskringle3662]

Hey, Zandayas hair was PINK! YOU insensitive monsters. Her hair was PINK! 😭

[@charleschemtob7263]

I think because there are so few of them, I grade modern musicals on a curve. The music was ok to good, the choreography/editing was really good. So I liked it. WE NEED MORE MUSICALS

[@elmoglue]

I'm still hoping for the Honest Trailer Commentary of Civil War w/ the Russo brothers.... 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@mohammadfletcher5312]

😍😍😍

[@althaz]

They went out of their way to be mean to a movie all of them liked a lot that critics and audiences alike also loved. I doubt they would ever do that. They were just trying not to seem like Marvel shills (which aren't a thing) and placate the DC anti-fans (because fans love things, DC anti-fans only hate everything that's *not* DC films, even though the DC films have been mostly bad lately).

[@redfox7497]

yes!!!

[@BakeryTakery]

They’ll never do it. They only did the first one because the Winter Soldier honest trailer was actually very congratulatory. Civil War has a lot of problems that they won’t feel like answering for.

[@redfox7497]

Abel Girmay we shall see

[@sodeiku]

it taught me about marketing

[@jacksonward9181]

The editing and camera work is actually very good. Nothing else was

[@Syddalucida]

I liked the movie but I still agree with your criticism. I liked it for the songs and didn't expect much more than a little backstory to go with the music. Maybe had they said it was just inspired by a historical figure it would have been better.

[@roguechevelle]

Seriously they should have called him any thing but P.T. Barnum. It makes things complicated.

[@esthersack5459]

They should've just not called him PT Barnum and called in an original story since it's not hysterically accurate at all. I personally loved the movie and I thought it was the most magnificent thing i have ever seen on the screen. The only problem i have is that they said it was based on a true story when it really wasn't and most of it was made up.

[@clarkkent771]

1 week before it came out: I said to my friends " ya know what movie I want to see, the greatest showman" .... 1 month after it came out: my friends say to me "Seth, the greatest showman is the best movie ever," and they had forgotten that I'm the one that told them about it in the first place. And o e montage after it came out even one of my teachers was playing the soundtrack at work time

[@taylorucr]

"What did the 5 fingers say to the face?" had me dying.

[@eatingchaos]

So they missed the "epiphany" stage of the narrative? Good lord, basic, BASIC story structure.

[@catestuff]

I love how SpennyG's head keeps bobbing to the beats. Looks like he really did enjoy TGS.

[@CheredaReneeShaw]

The people that like this movie and don't like the criticism of the actual facts behind it need to get over it and realize that they are probably also bad people.

[@wiktoriabarecka6006]

Mary Jane Grayson, very clever, love that guys !!

[@jamesjonathan4115]

The King of Bullshit Mountain!! Yesssss hahaha

[@hurricanejay1777]

Well now I wanna know which Smosh people you made sing!

[@jgreg3596]

This is one of the few divisive movies that I can see that both sides are right. There are a lot of story and character flaws but the songs, acting and overall look of the movie made me glad that I saw it.

[@LotusFlowerMedia]

Like I said in the other video, beware the greatest showman fanboys are coming😂😂😂

[@job3rg]

I watched this commentary at least 5 times, but only watched the greatest showman today

[@brianlynch8727]

I really hated this movie, and all my family loved it...maybe I am joyless

[@silverkitsune]

thank you so much for that trailer. that shitty movie needed that

[@gillianmcderment8279]

People are saying “you can’t do a musical about a person who lived over a hundred years ago and make it both accurate and interesting” did you forget about Hamilton? Even that show pointed out his mistakes!

[@arielfangirlmendez]

You know I did a cover song for this one. (I'm talking about rewite the stars)

[@mimidz3488]

I loved jimin and kevin cover the best👏🏻 they are so talented Everyone did great joob but that one was memorized to me the most.

[@kevins894]

Came here from the Jumanji commentary and Joe had put his headphones on too early in both😂😂😂

[@sony8591]

That average Joe song was gold guys

[@teamkaboozles4910]

A movie being historically accurate should not positively or negatively affect its score. It’s not a documentary it’s a musical.

[@ET_Bermuda]

Haha! I like the Let It Grow Let It Grow name. You should've left that in!!

[@awesometv1265]

I love how they say "uff the movie didn't have any real things about P.T Baurnum" then they complain about it not having him learn a lesson, that's because that is the truest part of the movie the basics of P.T he pretty much invented the circus as its known today and was a con man that faked a lot of stuff to earn money but in doing so provided people with entertainment and happiness ok in the movie he didn't learn a leson cause in real life he never did he lived a con man and died a con man.

[@Candyqueen3211]

Wait wait wait... I just realized that Joe, Roth, Spencer, and Dan are the four Hogwarts houses. Spencer is Slytherin, Joe is Hufflepuff, Roth is Gryffindor, and Dan is Ravenclaw

[@ItsKimOlson]

I wanted to see “Greatest Showman” based on all the trailers & did Christmas Eve! (Before “ALL THE HYPE.” My theater was empty! & the venue was BUSY Christmas Eve!) Dan to “Greatest Showman” = Me to “Black Panther.”

[@alyssadepiro40]

Dan you should have asked for OraVerse that would reverse numbness after dental procedures. 21:10

[@lauralynn4640]

If they had just changed his name from PT Barnum to a fictional name it would have made me like it more. He was just such a despicable human I had a hard time not thinking about the awful things both he and his legacy (the 100+ yrs of the circus) have done. I did enjoy it more than I thought I would and the music was incredible, I thought the oscar nominated song should have won. If they had made it closer to truth I don't think I would have been able to bring myself to see it.

[@ryanratchford2530]

We somehow got kids to idealise & like pirates even though they raped, stole & killed. Most seem fine with letting that slide by. The way I see it, it’s a fun film to watch with good songs, and once you are made to actually care about the historical side, then you can learn the truth how he’s a horrible historical figure.

[@mikemorro140]

Yeah but they didn't use the names of any real pirates

[@ShelbyBaby27]

I wanna see Murrell's review of A Beautiful Mind and Finding Netherland next....

[@jenng7389]

i love musicals but this one is so color-by-numbers that it's soul-less. all of the songs sound alike and are damn near the same message over and over and over. two thumbs way down.

[@DigitalInsurgent]

Dan's Matthew McConaughey sounds like Bill Clinton, lol.

[@hello_beeeez]

I liked this movie, but I can fully admit that all the criticisms about it are pretty well founded.

[@emerson9066]

I agree. Barnum was a terribile person, but they just like used whiteout on him,his looks, his whole personality and turned him into something new.