The Truth About The Sig Sauer M17: 1000 Round Review

[@tankerd1847]

I'm about 3/4ths the way through. I just want to say: for those who are super against safeties in a duty pistol - I served for eight years in the US Army as a tank crewman. Most people in the Army do not carry handguns, tankers and MPs are the main exception. That being said, an actual hard safety is 100% necessary for military purposes. The sheer amount of people you have handling weapons, on top of the sheer number of people who are not super careful with weapons, makes a hard safety completely necessarily for military purposes. I get that for civilian purposes with an enthusiast handling a firearm on the weekends and when they're specifically carrying - sure no hard safety is hunky dory. But when you take the least-common-denominator Pvt. Joe Blow who has never handled a handgun in his life, and is suddenly going to be handling a handgun constantly ...that shit is 100% necessary. That is all.

[@marklightner7553]

Nope. We only qualify twice a year at best. Most just barely get by

[@marklightner7553]

Mp's write tickets and guard gates more than anything.

[@Brian-mb6sp]

Do tanks have A/C?

[@fivecrosses9040]

Average civilian doesn’t train anymore than the military. Not to mention, safety being drilled into their heads. I’m pro thumb safety. Triggers get caught on things.

[@D3cayingDusk]

If you're in the service, and hate the safety (hey that's me), its relatively easy to take it off safe before the gun is all the way up. Where the safety is located makes it super simple to draw, and either smack it with your thumb, or bring your support hand up and flick it in one smooth motion.

[@formerpilgrim4934]

I hated the 320 series, until I started using one, and found I hit very well with it... Now it’s my favorite!

[@heaterfamily]

That how I got started in 2014 with the 320, Cop friends got new one for testing...He gives me the gun to test shoot it for a 30 days and after I give it back to him I buy one for myself. Run the shit out of it and start carrying it. Have not carried a Glock since.

[@MDpolo]

@former pilgrim - why did you hate a pistol that you hadn’t shot? Just want to understand your comment.

[@justingiles9992]

former pilgrim Same here I wanted no part in the 320 or any Polly for that matter until I purchased the M17 and man she’s a shooter, I have the legion and 3 Sig 1911s M1A and this runs just as smooth for half the price. I love this pistol!

[@tonyrogo227]

The 320s are junk..sorry for your luck

[@trentf4891]

@@tonyrogo227 Buy a $50 p320 x grip module and compare it to any glock frame. The glock frames are puny and pathetic in comparison. All p320 now have match grade barrels. Take the fcu of the p320 and compare it to the pot metal parts that glock uses, the quality of the p320 is apparent. You can tell by handling the parts that sig offers much higher quality pistols.

[@elitetrader5468]

I love how this guy just hits tiny plates from 50 yards away like it is nothing. Amazing shooter.

[@AM-rq1no]

it helps when you have a range in your back yard

[@jjjoooojjj]

It helps when you shoot 1000 rounds a week or so ..

[@maximusfrank2835]

He's been shooting the same range for how long now?

[@treroney4720]

That’s so hard to do with a pistol with iron sights. Very impressive

[@thejungalope2900]

@Daniel Brice can we see your range?

[@FitnFire]

The wife is deployed and was carrying a TPE M9 and was offered a M17. She switched and loves it. They are also offering a deployment commemorative M17. She ordered it because she likes it so much.

[@realtalk4real243]

The honor guard has custom 320s that look cool

[@AzureKnightmare32]

Mine stovepiped the very first round I put through it. I've had 5 or 6 failures total, most of them being failures to eject and one failure to extract. I noticed the gun does not seem to like running a full mag plus one in the chamber. In fact, I think every failure I had occurred when I ran a full mag plus one in the chamber. More importantly, the modular rear sights came loose on me THREE times since buying the pistol brand new last month. The first time happened after running about 390 rounds. The torx screw that secures the rear sight came loose. I tightened it, fired another 270 rounds another day and not only did it come loose again, but the torx screw backed completely out of the threads and dropped down into the slide rails, locking the slide up. I brought the gun to a local gunsmith and asked him to look at the threads and tapping, and to reinstall the screw and secure it with fresh loctite. He did. I took it home, fired about another 170 rounds through the gun, and the sight came loose again. Fed up, I sent it back to Sig for repairs. They paid for the shipping it back and forth, and it arrived back to me just a couple of days ago. I have a feeling the rear sight will come loose again. I believe it's a design flaw. Why on earth would they design a removable rear sight secured by torx screws secured only with loctite that mount from the underside of the slide and upwards? Especially on a pistol designed for military use? If they went top-down, at least if the sight came loose and fell completely off, the soldier operating the pistol could continue firing it. If the failure that resulted in the slide locking up due to the torx screw dropping down into the slide rails happened to soldier in combat it could very well cost their life, and possibly the lives of others.

[@Vox-Populi]

I mix it up a little. I bought a 320 carry sized slide and 357 SIG barrel for my M17. The modularity of the 320 / M17 is a super cool feature.

[@bestestname6757]

does the scratches hinder how it fires?

[@greggwilson492]

Good info, Thanks for posting. If it gets “scratched” who cares, its our Combat pistol. Unless of course you want it for a collection. Then I understand wanting no scratches.

[@shirothehero0609]

@@bdm1000 Hrm, i've put roughly 700 rounds through mine and there arent any scratches. Maybe cut your nails?

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

That's a cool idea! Good call sir.

[@shirothehero0609]

@LazerDog Laz or I throw my gun in my bag, carry it and have put close to 1000 rounds through it. But hey, you can go ahead and throw insults. It's cool. I'd upload a picture if I could, but truly, it's not scratched up and been really reliable. I've got a Greyguns comp trigger and shoot the hell out of it. I don't think it's the best pistol, not by far. My carry is typically a Wilson EDCx9 or a Staccato C. My EDCX9 is scratched to shit because it's a cerakoted/armortuff coating. Really like those and significantly better than the M17.

[@SteveJohnsonPHANTOM1984]

I love my Sig P320 and what sold me was how it felt in my hand. The best i have ever felt. Of course the reliability helped as well.

[@lordoftheplains6835]

I just passed the 1000 round mark on my M17 yesterday with not a single malfunction so far. It is in my EDC rotation and usually becomes the one I walk out the door with.

[@bertthebuilder4699]

bro, its such an awesome gun. i stopped counting at 2500, then took it to a competition. my sis n i shared it so that was probably about 4 or 500 putting me over 3000rds...main point, the gun is flawless the only thing thats ever happened was one time it didnt lock back on last rpund for my sister, i assume it was her. limp wirsting or riding the slide. But otherwise the gun runs 100% i actually like this gun more then our new xfive. but the xfive is awesome as well tho.

[@bertthebuilder4699]

oh and the trigger only gets better as you shoot it, that mush at the start will disappear. trust me

[@devonogrady4515]

I plan on buying one for carry, how is it carrying it?

[@mitchelldobbs228]

@@devonogrady4515 i carry mine daily best edc evee

[@rainsong7327]

@@bertthebuilder4699 How is the PVD finish holding up?

[@CycoWarriorx]

Dunno if you’re gonna see this post, but I absolutely love your channel… I’ve been bingeing out on your reviews, comparisons, etc… the presentation of the information has been outstanding and consistent… I love the fact you present the good - and the bad without deference… I, for one, appreciate that tremendously… 🍻

[@DrDevon23]

"I can't shoot you through the internet." Love it hahaha

[@afreestate8466]

Clearly has not seen sword art online

[@MustHaveJustice]

So good, I actually laughed when he said that.

[@felipegarciatn]

I'm a new gun owner and I own this gun. Bought it for home defense and to practice at the gun range. So far I'm happy with my purchase.

[@GunsandGrubb]

2 of my brothers bought this gun it came with 1-17 Round, and 2- 21 Round mags. Awesome review.

[@thirdlantern]

Rounds hitting steel is America's equivalent to cathedral bells. It's music to free men's & women's ears.

[@jakayawilson2833]

Indeed my friend....Indeed.

[@heycidskyja4668]

Have a word with yourself, ffs.

[@thirdlantern]

@@heycidskyja4668 Who might you be?? Are you one of those bizarre, dainty, scumbag traitors?

[@randallshaw9609]

This free man prefers the music of honest and forthright discourse to the simple ring of steel.

[@similaritiesendhere]

@@randallshaw9609 Thank you. As ex-military, I enjoy marksmanship as much the next man but, when someone starts romanticizing the sound of gun shots my alarm bells go off. It's corny and creepy as fuck.

[@anthonyarena6580]

This has got to be one of the best most descriptive videos for this pistol that I have seen. Thanks very much for all the great info on the Sig m17

[@morganh2800]

Love my M17. I tell people that the P320 is a great striker fire pistol for someone who shot DA/SA their whole life. I think its one factor why the Army adopted it transitioning from the M9.

[@Pipodecatan]

Morgan H nah mate,it’s because it’s way lighter,and they will not use the sidearm a lot if at all,so they save weight

[@hks956]

They adopted it because it was cheaper and hit whatever bar they required. It's never about the best gun. I'm not sure why people think military contracts mean they choose the absolute best.

[@raybartolo4902]

Tradusir en edpanol

[@MrAyybee2cold]

@@hks956I mean Glock has been undercutting everyone for years Sig did it this time as revenge for the M9 being adopted over the P226. If both guns perform to military specifications then it comes down to price in the end. As well as the fact the FCU in the Sig means cheaper replacement parts that aren’t serialized helping turnaround, logistics and repairability.

[@flyhighguy2696]

I have the black version , m17B . zero issues in the 7 months that i've had it . love it.

[@rueridge7597]

Good review. Sights made to slow soldier down and take proper aim under stress. Same with speed. Carry X amount of ammo. Don’t want it wasted spraying aimlessly when scared. Very few military folks are operators really trained to stand toe to toe in gun battles. Slow down a little, fall back on your training, live to fight another battle. It would be military Nirvana if they all had your prowess with firearms

[@bwillems1000]

@@derek3960 Sadly true. Having been in the Navy for 6 years, I learned more about pistol marksmanship from local civilian range safety officers and from youtube than I did from the Navy. I'm also a "REMF" but then again, so is most of the military, technically.

[@JadedChaos1]

@Gabrielk 2024 I'm a former Navy Seabee. I would say about 1 in 7 are issued a sidearm, the rest of us had a rifle, with a very select few getting a shotgun. When you clean your weapon once a month, and take it to the range for qualifications twice a year, it doesn't build competency. Most of our top shooters where guys and gals that relied on a gun to put food on the table before they joined the military.

[@HFTONE]

It's been my training that if you're within pistol range in a gun fight, you'd better know how to shoot accurately without actually using sights. If you take the time to align sights you're likely going to lose the battle. You can be deadly accurate using the sights but if you can't do it really fast you're a dead man.

[@Loki1701e]

Hmm wasting ammo i wonfer where i hearf that before....Mexican American War.

[@frankvandornis4373]

I totally agree with your assessment of the "fulcrum effect".However, watching your shooting, it didn't seem to produce much muzzle rise as you shot. Sig seems to have tamed it pretty well by tuning the recoil spring.

[@williedavismckennie5334]

I so like your video ! I just got the M17 last week and it's my first gun.

[@rivercityracer3683]

I built a 320 X-Carry over the course of early to mid 2020, with factory parts that were randomly available. Its a pretty good gun. It ran flawlessly until I had several failures to extract at the same range day (different mags, different ammo, same failure) but I also hadn't cleaned that area of the firearm for about 500 rounds. So I chalked that up to my own error, it hasn't happened again so far. Pros: - Apparent excellent accuracy for a handgun - Good ergonomics for most hand sizes - Above average trigger pull for that family of handguns - Mags drop freely every time without wiggling/shaking the weapon - Good size and weight for all-around use - Modular and easy to work with internally Cons: - More muzzle flip/recoil than some other polymer striker-fired options due to higher bore axis and general design - The reset could be more forceful - In my case, I wish I would have bought the heavily stipled grip instead. I find myself somewhat over-gripping the gun to keep it from moving around in my hand, thus affecting my trigger finger reflexes and capability due to tension; this causes some minor inconsistency sometimes in the big picture, we're talking about split times at that point. - Cost is kinda high for what it is and the mags are expensive, although good. I'd say its a middle-of-the-road type of striker poly gun in essence. Some people will prefer the way some of the glocks or CZ's shoot overall; some people will prefer the trigger of the Walther or the H&K. *In my opinion* in its X-Carry grip module form and 3.9 inch barrel/slide assembly, it is the best *looking* poly striker on the market, and I think they could use the fire control units (the internal gun itself) or something very similar for more types of firearms in the future, not just normal handguns, so, there is something to be said there as well for the design and its possible influence moving forward. But it has been a pretty good handgun for me so far overall.

[@rglock35]

I appreciate the review and resonate with your thoughts on bore axis and disproportionate perceived top heavy balance......but it’s a SIG and this is their signature.

[@Quality_Guru]

Very fine shooting. Thanks for the exceptional review and comparison between this pistol and its competitors, as well as, it’s suited purpose for the non military users.

[@paulsmith4889]

I'm more of SIG 2022 fan. That to me was a good, underappreciated polymer 9mm handgun.

[@hansvonmannschaft9062]

Love mine, too, sir. I even did a little customization on it and installed a very, very well done, very reliable (can't remember manufacturer's name, but hopefully it'll be easy to look it up) adjustable trigger for travel and overtravel, which, in case you got .40 S&W version, also eliminates the trigger bite. Now, emphasizing on what you said, must be one of the most underrated guns in the market by far. Have a nice day sir!

[@JKRTAAG]

I have their 2022 40cal and I had their 9mm version too (until someone stole it)

[@joshluda13]

Thank you so much for these awesome reviews!!! I love the fact you gave credit to Steyr using the chassis design! They did it First!!!

[@ShaneKelley207]

I conceal carry a subcompact P320 everyday. Great gun. He was talking about the weight of the gun being heavy on the top and it making it more snappy because the way the gun is designed. My gun is in 9mm and for being a subcompact has great accuracy and isn't very snappy at all. I've been considering getting the frame for the m17 and buying a smaller carry like the P365 or maybe even another brand other than Sig but I would recommend it to anybody.

[@82lowe36id]

M17 is outstanding just like the P320 overall. Also the M17 was not envolved in the drop test issue. I fully agree on the sights. I don't like the really wide rear sight. I prefer the normal P320 sights.

[@AF-O6]

I chatted up the SF troop on Joint Base Andrews who was carrying the M18 AF version yesterday. Like every other troop, he claimed significant better hits than with the M9, which is my experience too. I do love your review because you’re an expert shooter and enthusiast. Most in the military are not, and view sidearms in the same league as a hammer or any other tool.

[@boomerisadog3899]

I'm not in the military but I tend to view guns the same way, as a tool. I think I'd compare them more to a car than a hammer. Almost any modern car will get the job done but I want something sporty that I can have fun with.

[@s00-x2h]

but comparing their brand new M17 to their 10 20 year old beat up M9 is unfair though

[@AF-O6]

Absolutely true. The last M9 I qualified with was totally clapped out. Still, all things being equal, fresh recruits are getting more hits with the M17/18 than (even a newish) an M9. Again, I’m talking basic line troops being trained to shoot a sidearm. I suspect most of Honest Outlaw’s viewers shoot well with nearly anything...and most would be surprised how few true gun people there are in the military.

[@s00-x2h]

@@AF-O6 that's what i think too, since i've heard of stories of civilians out shooting veterans and cops in competitions. thing is I am a bit biased towards to M9 (and the M9A3) too all because of just how nice a gun it is if treated and maintained properly, also because the military already has all these spare magazines and parts for it. i won't be surprised if there are still batches of M9 parts, mags, or even complete guns a few decades later, when our military wants another pistol to replace the M17/18

[@boomerisadog3899]

@@s00-x2h They're welcome to send all of them to me, I'd be willing to take one for the team.

[@randymelissabutton2159]

My Son-in-law just picked up one of these as his first hand gun. He is very excited and I share this review with him.

[@solohere5608]

I just got mine. I love the color, look and feel😍 Can’t wait to hit the range.

[@jwp7679]

Outstanding review, thorough and unbiased! In my history as a soldier and police officer I have carried 1911's, Beretta's, Sig P229's (.357's and .40's) and glock 22's. I could not agree more with your identification of the bore axis issue issue. Had to agree with Rus Ridge regarding the plus side of sights is slowing the shooter down...makes perfect sense when limited by amount of duty carry ammo in a war zone (NOTE: both eyes open would probably overcome the sight issue).

[@heaterfamily]

bore axis has nothing to do with recoil, recoil impulse is what is important. I can shoot the M17 as fast as my 6K 2011 38Super.

[@malcolmmartin3027]

Saturday + The honest outlaw = Hell Yeah

[@N3ffShark]

Passed the 2k mark with my m17, almost never cleaned. Every few mags would jam up on the round, took it apart and scrubbed clean and it's been good since.

[@jdtheone]

this is a good reason to watch your channel a good and honest review with no bs thank you 😊

[@ryanfirst9761]

I fired a 320 before the recall and said I gotta have one. I bought my carry right after they took care of business, and have had no regrets. I am still weighing whether to buy a 365 or not.

[@Sanctified_Leather]

Great Review Honest 👍. And a Big Thumbs to Mrs .Outlaw 👍👍. Thanks to the both of you

[@threeheavensmusic]

Nice to see someone else just push the slide release button rather than pulling it back for a fresh clip. Watching your whole video, sometimes you do sometimes you don’t.

[@ald.3500]

I got mine for $503 off grabagun. It came with 1x17 and 2x21 round magazines, also get 2 free 21 rounders through a sig promo. I only have 250 rounds through it but I’m very impressed.

[@hyunki0510]

I love this pistol. Fired over 1000 rounds on it never had a failure. Very accurate as well

[@gun-nut8843]

@19:44ish That how the barrel/slide has to be cut for a locked breech/tilting barrel design. Watch how far the barrel travels/tilts when it unlocks. Thats how you get those beautiful classic Sig similes on well worn barrel finishes.

[@vgl217]

The differing shades of FDE are intentional. The different shades break up the color and blend in a little better

[@TATE-d6z]

Thankyou for this. I just bought one cause of your vid and love it. Got a olight coming for it now

[@199gonzo]

Bout 500 thru mine good so far ... and nice shooting dude .... & subbed you don’t mince your words,well done 🇺🇸

[@jaydelong2467]

My honest, and humble opinion is that watching and (like) [ing] you're videos is enough to be part of your giveaway[s]. Nevertheless I love your videos, you tell the truth. If anyone is interested and/or looking for real information about guns... you've got the critical information that ppl need! Good on you man! Don't shoot yourself in the butthole!

[@Mrgunsngear]

Good review as always

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[@bakercolton9226]

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[@williamfoote1609]

You can also purchase Sig M17 21 round magazines as well. They are the same price as the 17 round magazines. Which is what I did was add a few 21 round magazines.

[@zakpodo]

As an aside, the barrel opening in the slide does look a little off, but it's actually a fairly tight fit for accuracy and allows the barrel tilt of the short action . May have been possible to achieve a similar result, with no bushing, by making a similar recess internally but rest assured it's not weird or bad machining.

[@team2146]

1 handed 50 yards, 6" plate in 30 mph wind... thanks for making me feel like a rookie 😎

[@deltaactual8286]

Just bought an m17 bravo yesterday, excellent gun.

[@6Sally5]

Best firearm reviewer on the net.

[@torriewalker2820]

Bought this gun 2 days ago. Goes great with my Sig MPX Copperhead

[@AdamHellersneakerfreak]

I have a regular p320 carry model. 3.9 inch barrel i believe. Around 1000 rounds without a hiccup. I waited about a year after the drop safety issues to purchase one. I love it. But I'm admittedly rather biased toward Sigs in general. Still I really want an M17 version.

[@heaterfamily]

I have Xfive at 132K and Sig 320-357 with 30K, no issues

[@CoasterCoat]

@@heaterfamily 132 k rounds?

[@joedesalvo3316]

mine has been rock solid so far.. although my USP 9 is still my favorite

[@morganh2800]

I actually shelved my USP9 compact for a p320 compact as my EDC. Since i shoot the M17 I wanted to keep the platform the same.

[@joedesalvo3316]

My USP is the full size version.. I usually carry a 19.5 MOS or VP9SK... sometimes my P365 if its hot outside

[@sorryociffer]

@@joedesalvo3316 Hell, I carry a USP 45 Expert.

[@austinrobinson101]

Also check out the four M17's that Sig made for the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier sentinel's, they are works of art

[@jessehall9647]

You both are great keep it up I always value your personal apion .

[@PaulJersey]

Reminds me of a CZ P10. Like the extended 21 round mags. The removable red dot plate is cool. Great shooting!

[@bobmcgrewjr778]

Yes it has a high bore axis. Thats due to the fact that it shares parts with the P250 a DA only gun. What I love is the modularity I own a P320 and a P250 with only two serial #s I have 11 pistols.

[@M4A3]

I just picked up the M17, and I've been a loyal Glock man for 20 years. I had a 229 Sig several years back, and it had some jams with Speer 125gr Gold Dots, so I sold it. This M17 is just simply amazing. I'm already planning to buy another, but I'm waiting to see if they release a 10mm 320. My Glocks are in trouble.

[@M4A3]

@@rainsong7327 The trigger on the P320's are great! Swap the curved trigger out for the straight one, you gain more leverage for a smoother pull. Not to mention the M17 is lighter, and you have almost endless combinations swapping the 320's around with the modularity.

[@user-vx4ts8vm1l]

Awesome reviews! Hey I've built a take down lever that moves the lever to the other side out of the way .. we are working on a thumb traction pad to feel the hole

[@tcbkkb1]

Finally got mine for collection and great shooter even compared to my early p320’s! Put together nice. Also carry’s good otw with Safariland 578 GLS Pro-fit paddle is comfortable and close to side and locks has belt or paddle and tool and fits many others to. 578-450-411. Thanks for vid man!

[@gearhead22harley]

The Ruger American series are also chassis guns. Pull the takedown lever out and the trigger group and rails pop right out of the grip frame.

[@IndyRockStar]

i have this pistol (the P320 M17 Commercial and the M17 Commemorative) It's my favorite pistol by far. I have the Leupold delta point pro on my mine. Once you go red dot the transition speed goes way up.

[@bradenjamesconnars1893]

Agreed. Fires and Accuracy. The Balance issue Caught me at first. Also, my Main Interest is the Adaptability. The micro Conversion Kits are Fun and Improve Accuracy for Those of us who Prefer a "Rifle" like Hold. Cost and Availability are Always The Concern.

[@WADDERMELONS]

At 6:42 you recreated the kit kat theme from those “take a break” commercials

[@robertsuydam6390]

The "barrel fitment" issue you talk about is a design characteristic (I think). Sig P226's have the same gap at the top and I think it's just clearance for when the barrel unlocks and cants upward.

[@nickmurdaugh9856]

Just shot an army match this week with this gun. For slow fire at distance, it was really great. For fast reflex fire at close distance, I didn't love it. It wanted to jump out of my hands. If only I could get away with a gas pedal. We can run tape though, and Goon tape improves the situation by a lot. I ran the 21 round mags, and reloads were surprisingly smooth even without any magwell. What's funny is that the way my thumb sits on the slide lock, I can't release the slide without a grup change, but my grip always prevents slide lock.

[@Mike41919]

Mine came with 1 17 round mag and two 21 round mags

[@robertmartin6957]

Finally added this one to my safe this week. Came with 2 21rd mags and a 17rd. I’m not sure if Sig made that change permanently or if I just got lucky. Definitely ready to head to the range.

[@wcharliewilson7004]

I handed my NIB 1911 Colt Gov over to an ex-SEAL, a Christian friend and a veteran of Bay of Pigs who ended up as an Orthopedic Technician at our local Children's Hospital. He 'asualterized' the sidearm to a spec that is far beyond that of the most expensive of the configuration; it's one-of-a-kind now and it's mine. It took him 4 months to build and me nearly 500 rounds for me to seat it, which is normal,. The 1000's of rounds since only make it the most accurate and the most reliable sidearm I have ever holstered... It gets better with use. No. it's not technique, it's the weapon.

[@MtownsGreatest]

Note to self. Do NOT get into a gun fight with the Honest Outlaw in any range under a football field.

[@CaveWyatt]

Sig website says the M17 barrel = 5” and the P320 Full Size barrel =4.7”. I have the Full Size, w/Streamlight flashlight and 20 round mag as the “nightstand gun” because it’s such a smooth shooter. I can imagine the M17 is as smooth or slightly smoother. I’ll bet that 20 round mag would balance the gun better for you. Helps mine.

[@heaterfamily]

not......Barrel length M17 119 mm (4.7 in) M18 99 mm (3.9 in) Width 33 mm (1.3 in) Height 140 mm (5.5 in) Cartridge 9x19mm Parabellum

[@heaterfamily]

Sig320 XFIVE is 5", that it.

[@veterandadtactical9556]

Good review. Considering getting this. Was going to go with the 320 x5 but i b think this one has me sold for now. Nice shooting. Im trying to be like that one day!

[@hankhoeveler7114]

I have a 320 RX full size and everything you say is right on, like all your reviews! I will say that the more I shoot this gun, the more I like it. Especially since I did a Grey Guns comp trigger job and bought the TXG grip module. Added about a pound to the lower grip. Wow transformative! Big soft shooting and fast. It’s like and old school caddy. I absolutely love the gun now. More than my P10C? Not really but it’s a solid #2 among my pistols. For the range, I’d probably pick the Sig first.

[@centex52]

great video as usual sir

[@ttate123]

Love your reviews. You can make any gun look good and easy to shoot!

[@JohnDoe-zg6fn]

Got the M17 with no safety and loved it. Then I bought another one, but with safety and I am never going back. These pistols are amazing and I recommend everyone put their biases aside and just try it. If you don't like it then fine, but chances are you will.

[@freedom8672]

*P320-m17 ran great for you! Sig is winning big!*

[@titusflowers7198]

great vid, taught me more about my sig than the manual

[@lukeadkinson1582]

I did notice the barrel fitment as well but if you compare to other handguns a lot r like that

[@JeebonZLopez]

“Calm down, I can’t shoot you through the internet” LMFAO

[@eolson1964]

I love my 21 round magazines that are extended, looks better on the gun. Sigs have always been my favorites

[@alexanderm8880]

I tend to be the opposite of most--Glock ergonomics are awful for me (not a problem with the gun, just user interface) so they tend to be about equal in shootability. Neither can touch the M&P or Cz P10 series in my hands.

[@RichWhiteUM]

I've never been a Glock fan, either. They're perfectly fine guns but I don't like them due to the ergonomics. Like you, I prefer the M&P and the CZ P-10.

[@steveb6103]

Just added the CZ P10F to my collection. I like the P10c for ccw. 19 plus 1 for the F for home defense.

[@JadedChaos1]

The only thing I like about Glock is that I can use the same magazines for all the different sizes (assuming same caliber, double stack). The P320/M17/18 gives me the option of a SC on the ankle, compact on the hip, and full size in the truck that will all use the same extended mags. The fact that I can change calibers in under 10 seconds is also very handy.

[@jasonwright285]

Just shot this for the first time over the weekend and qualified Expert. The sights are MUCH better, and single action all the time is very nice, but the super small slide release is worse not better (in my opinion) than the one on the M9, and I did feel like it was a little more difficult to get a good grip because of the increased (and rounder?) diameter of the grip. I dry fired it a little bit before we started, and I was very unimpressed with it - the trigger break felt really soft and rubbery, and you could barely tell the striker did anything. But during qualification I did not experience any issues.

[@cgirl111]

I own a bunch of Sigs but only the steel framed P series. Never a problem.

[@JeffS21]

So out of curiosity, (fairly new to the channel so if I've missed something, show mercy!), but it seems that you've had tons of problems with the P320 series, but this M17 review seemed overwhelmingly positive, would you still recommend this pistol as a general use/home defense/range pistol 4+ years after your review even with your terrible experiences with P320s otherwise?

[@tymccutchen]

Mines has been great. Changed my grip to the WC. Wow makes a big difference.

[@yourmomma8065]

Shooted it here in Germany at the range form a friend of mine and it was smooth and accurate as hell. He bought it for something about 750 Euros and when it was clear that SIG will sign the contract for the u.s troops they stopped delivering the civil market.

[@bxcongero1]

I own the P320 and love it. It's been reliable, not a single malfunction in my 5000+ rounds. I'm curious to know if you could do a comparison video with the M&P 2.0 5" to see which one you prefer as I also have the entire 2.0 line except for the 3.6" which to be honest, is a bit of overkill to me. Anyhow, another great review of another firearm I enjoy even though I haven't purchased one yet but it will be a part of my collection soon.

[@ErikS308]

Torin Rodriguez I have a 4.7 320 and my son has a M&P 2.0 5 inch. They are both great guns. He has had two failures with me there, both fail to feed. The M&P has a very abrasive grip which I like. The M&P has a loose slide. It doesn't seem to affect the functionality it is just loose. My Sig is tight and the action is very stiff in comparison. The Sig has better sights which are tritium from the factory. The triggers are a wash with me preferring the Sig. I have had 0 failures with my 320. Mine had the new trigger from the factory. Both guns have about 2500 rnds through them.

[@bxcongero1]

@@ErikS308, I own the entire 2.0 line minus the 3.6" model, I love my M&P's but I also love my Sig's. I have a P320, P226 Legion, my dad's old service weapon the P220 and and they all are freaking awesome, I just would like to know how Outlaw feel about both, I think he's got one of the best channels going, and I take his opinions over many others, Sootch and Hickok are 2 others that give great info but Outlaw is the man.

[@ErikS308]

@@bxcongero1 I was just sharing my personal opinion. I don't have a YT channel like these folks but I shoot so you got my unbiased feedback. You have both, what are your thoughts? Don't let social media like YT drive your opinion. We should start with YT and other outlets for finding what interests us and after that, try the stuff out ourselves. I would like to read about your experiences with the guns mentioned. Do you think I am off the mark with what I wrote?

[@bxcongero1]

@@ErikS308, understood and thanks for your feedback, it's always cool to chat with someone with similar interests and inventory, lol, have a great Sunday

[@blankblank1813]

Just got an M18 and a Romeo1 Pro. Extremely easy to put the new sight on but now I'm having problems locating an OWB holster. My BladeTech has a cutout for optics but the Romeo is a good 3 mil wider on each side of the slide.

[@daniellequintanilla5591]

I just bought it and it's a good one honestly I like everything about it

[@BigPoppa23]

Great review

[@kennethacheson989]

great review, very knowlegeable

[@foxbox19]

After a year of waiting. I finally picked one up for MSRP.

[@dilldowschwagginz2674]

Time to add a new pistol to my collection. I've got it down to 3 choices - the M17, FN 509 midsize and the CZ P10c. If anyone has any experience with more than one of these guns feel free to share your experience and opinion in regards to comparison.

[@N3ffShark]

Sorry for late reply. I had the CZ P10C, switched to the m17 and then left the CZ brand entirely

[@jesusanguiano4373]

God bless you and your channel 🇺🇸

[@stevenhigby3512]

I got mine yesterday and it came with two twenty round mags and one 17 round mag. Everyone else is only getting two 17 round mags. I guess I got lucky.

[@oldmilk3269]

Does your m17 have tan colored safeties?

[@dieseldouche7735]

They still have it better than us in Colorado, they strip the 17 round mags and give you shitty 10 round mags.

[@John_Smith_86]

How is the commercial version different from the army M17? Any differences?

[@Pmedic605]

The slide contour where the barrel engages is pretty standard SIG. The lockup is excellent with that design.

[@DM-qp7do]

Homie.....you can shoot! Damn bro, glad we're on the same team.

[@mattschroeder3432]

the man with the golden gun

[@louiejones4092]

I'm debating on either the M18 or M17 for my next handgun purchase

[@egzonsalihu1451]

Sig Sauer P320 M17 is perfect pistol, i love it.

[@altonasasquatch9745]

What exactly soured you on the p320 design? In this you seem positive on it but in your newer videos you seem quite critical of it?