Honesty Time! 3D Printing Doesn't Hurt GW | Models and Memories Weekly #25

In this episode of Model and Memories Jay talks about his newly painted legion models, how everyone that says 3D printing will destroy Games Workshop is wrong and of course he ends the episode with a story! We have new videos every Monday, Wednesday and Friday! We're streaming Monday-Saturday starting at 9PM CST!! JOIN USSSS! Thanks for watching!
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[@MrSteelface96]

When Jay gets married i'd imagine his response to the priest when asked to take the bride would be ''Well I do'' xD

[@USALibertarian]

Nick: "I did a 3D printing thing" Several moments later... Jay: "3D printing sucks" Nick: :^(.......

[@infinitedm5396]

TLDR: Don't let GW live rent free in your head. Enjoy your life. Play other games if GW makes you legit mad.

[@JayAndNightASMR]

For me 3d printing is like adding spice to a dish. They're great for upgrading existing models. Especially parts like purity seals where you barely get 1 per model. And especially for new models like intercessors which have barely any unique parts

[@Kiickman]

*looks at 5k of Dark angels and 3k of World eaters* all 3d Printed, Well not for the specal terminators.

[@Slenkamure]

precisely, variant helmets to make your squad of cookie cutter marines look like a group of individuals instead of clones

[@paullarkinsphoto]

Great listening to you talk about 3D printing from the perspective you have. Most of what I've seen is be derogatory towards GW and how 3d printing is a threat and its just nice and refreshing to hear you take.

[@SenHai]

Honestly hurt or unhurt, as long as you are printing legally distinct models, there is nothing stopping you from using printed models, and using then with GWs rule set as whatever army they are supposed to proxy for.

[@paulhopkins8391]

TBH doing this isn't much different to kit bashing

[@SenHai]

@@paulhopkins8391 kit bashing requires me to have kits to bash

[@rodericklenz5030]

@@paulhopkins8391 kit bashing requires skill, imagination and practice. Why be creative and learn to sculpt or scratch when you can buy a 3d printer and download other people's skill and imagination?

[@biobasher]

@@rodericklenz5030 why be creative when you can buy a plastic kit and follow the manual? You can kitbash resin models. You just have to know what you're doing. And hey there's even less consequences to fucking up cause you can print out another

[@SenHai]

@@rodericklenz5030 Or design my own 3d models, and print them out, and print as many as I want. Sounds like a win win.

[@nathanjoslin3972]

I recently switched to Star Wars Legion, and honestly I enjoyed it way more than GW games. I think the turn mechanics, among a general love of Star Wars, makes it a much more enjoyable experience

[@AttilaGara]

If GW doesn't care why did they copyright strike some of my favorite 3D modelers on Patreon? They were actually playing by the rules, but GW abuses the fact that no one can oppose their legal team financially...

[@USALibertarian]

The problem is the tech platforms bend over for the large corporations. GW couldn't fight every single small player. But they can send infinity e-mails.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@USALibertarian not to mention GW has a whole legal team and basically 0% of STL artists have lawyers on retainer.

[@AshMD]

The fact GW have people who can do this for them is exactly why GW at large can afford to not care too much.

[@paulhopkins8391]

I would assume that they were stealing GW's intellectual property. Is it any different from some random KZbinr using a musicians song without there permission?

[@luketfer]

@@paulhopkins8391 Actually more than a few 3D sculptors have been caught in the crossfire just for being 'close' to GW but not actually copying GW miniatures (like providing their own spin on long since out of production miniatures).

[@sonicwingnut]

I love how this came up next to a suggestion for Commisar Gamza's 14th clickbait video this week about how "3D PRINTING IS CRUSHING GAMES WORKSHOP!!1"

[@carlstanford7607]

Games workshop will be sending you a new indomitus box shortly. Thank you for your cooperation. GW

[@endlesswaffles6504]

If you're getting mould lines on your 3d prints, something is seriously wrong with your printer.

[@genetix250]

🤣🤣

[@simon3818]

With every intro Jay’s “How!” Gets more and more distressed

[@jdeltaalpha5195]

if gw went into 3d printing they'd have their own special printers, resin, and file types. "buy the gw manufactorum 3d printer and use our blood of the emperor resin to print all your favorite .gw models!"

[@lenorevanalstine1219]

dont give them ideas

[@Derpy-qg9hn]

So they'd just be a normal inkjet manufacturer?

[@mrgriff9648]

Im not trying to stick it to GW or want to see it burn, but If Bill was my friend and wants a riptide, I'd print one for him for him to save him spending £65 on something that should be a marketed at £30.

[@M1tZk1]

I must say... it's a bit tricky for me. Wargaming is a very expensive hobby and the models are very expensive as well, but so are statues. Regular Funkos go for 15-20€ and that's somewhat mainstream. Wargaming is very niche and you're basically not only buying a model, you're paying for the development, the lore behind it, the ecosystem, the Games Workshop stores around the globe, maybe some brexit tax fees for shipping and tax... there is a lot that goes into it. I'm okay paying 100€ a month for a new box of models, some paint, new books, brushes, gadgets etc. but I get that not everyone can. I see the lure of 3D printer, but I don't like to bother with all of what comes with it. I'd rather safe some money buy going to a GW reseller who often have give a discount.

[@ArghMuffinMan]

Last year GW ran £150m pre tax profit off £352m revenue. If they were to halve their prices like you suggest they would have made a loss of £25m, and if they kept that up they would go bankrupt very quickly. I agree GW are pricey but they aren't that overpriced!

[@mrgriff9648]

@@ArghMuffinMan no they wouldn't. I'm not saying that they need to reduce their prices by half, some models the larger ones are way over priced for what you get, both in IRL and in game. I shudder to think how much money I've spent since 2nd Ed and I'll still buy their models, but when I feel the price is taking the piss I'll print a very good counts as instead.

[@kosmosfantasias7545]

@@ArghMuffinMan It was certainly overpriced for middle income like me. Combat Patrol and large single model already costs half of the minimum wage in my country shows that WH/40K is becoming more only for the rich. Just look at how much £ for a small infantry HQ plastic toy model and ain't no parents just gonna spend a plastic toy with a price like that for their kids. I'm just gonna go with Poorhammer by drawing then paint. Saved a lot of money and time simply to play the game as a hobby.

[@USALibertarian]

I also wish Bill was my friend.

[@MGPW]

The thing I like about 3D printing isn't "sticking it to GW" or whatever, it's the creativity potential where people are making their own things, you can buy the STLs for fancy new things, you can customise them in the software if you're good with that... etc.

[@beardhammerwargaming]

Thank you so much for this episode. Someone with a bigger and more respected channel had to say the things about 3D printing. Stay fantastic!!!

[@Mr.Goufball]

I agree that GW shouldn’t sell stls …for minis. They should sell stls for terrain however.

[@heretic192]

Eventually (might take 10+ years, GW is always a bit slow when it comes to hobby trends) they will use a new label (like DigitalForgeworld for example) to sell specialist game STLs and maybe things like upgrade sprues/bits for certain chapters. And they will offer a very expensive printing service too. Mark my words.

[@brotherhoodofsteel4751]

I feel like they should sell stl's for minis that they don't plan on making new versions of

[@Mikey__R]

They don't need to, and we don't need them to. Your FLGS doesn't disallow 3d printed terrain from 3rd parties, and GW already supply all of the terrain for their own events. Just buy an STL from a 3rd party, print it up, and bring it along to your FLGS, club or friends garage. The only places that wont let you do that are places you don't need to bring terrain to anyway.

[@JulieanGalak]

@@brotherhoodofsteel4751 - agree. Especially some FW models that seem to be out of production, but are still in the codexes and being actively played.

[@MrGioGon]

I think you missed the mark with the whole 3D printing thing. When I can print a better looking model for a fifth of the cost of a GW model, 3D printing is going to overtake the high rates GW feels they can squeeze out of their customers/players.

[@catcadev]

I don't see why one can't just have both! 3d printing and store-bought models both have merit and cam be used in tandem. No issues, both GW and 3d printing have their niche!

[@brucecraft5858]

I bought a Elegoo Mars Pro just to stick it to GW. I print for everyone I play with saving them $1000. The more people I get to print their own miniatures the more GW will loose. I'm good with that.

[@TheSYLOH]

I previously would not have taken orders for 3D prints. Last week I sold my first batch. So at this point, any "sticking it to the man" factor is just bonus, this is a monetized hobby now.

[@rikowal]

Oh yeah, you’re really sticking it to them…*eye roll*

[@carminecommander4297]

@@rikowal there is no ethical consumption under captialism, if someone wants to not personally contribute to a company they don't believe in then don't scoff at them, I think GW really fucked up but I love the lore and will continue to work on warhammer stuff, if someone is able to 3D print just let them be

[@rikowal]

@@carminecommander4297 they arent having a gun put to their head to play 40k, so if they hate GW so much, why not just fuck off and go touch some grass? Instead, they act like a petulant child and are like "Ill show those geedubs who is boss with my 3d printed army!"

[@jazzydominion1411]

I swear Jay here is just saying what needs to be said. There's too much hate and despise in a handful of warhammer ytubers and Jay is like the perfect example of bro, i just like the game lmao. Still these hot takes are only getting hotter :> thanks jay

[@KillTeamHungary]

Yeah, too bad he cant support his argument with actual numbers and he is peddling for some free GW merch like review copies of new releases...

[@MisterJuggalo]

@@KillTeamHungary hears some numbers, the biggest gw hater i know has never played a gw game he 3d prints but as he never bought anything gw him not buying anything gw dosent affect them. the other person i know printed 500 points of space mareans he wouldent have bought from gw agean not affecting them, i however bought beast snaggers box, 2 killteamboxes, and pre orderd the ork combat box. seams to me the beast snaggers box sold out perty quick, and now whos actualy 3d printing n taking anything from gw? what are they 3d printing what rules are they useing? yea to bad your comment is even less evadance

[@rodericklenz5030]

@@KillTeamHungary yeah, too bad your only argument is "I'M ANGRY BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD THE TOYS I LIKE!!!!".

[@ReverendPONT]

@@rodericklenz5030 this is generally the most prevalent reason. If you're not familiar with Haslab and the Transformers Unicron or any of the Haslab projects this is the most common argument. Reality is in anything you collect their's tiers and price points and unless you're rich we all get priced out of something in any hobby we collect.

[@rodericklenz5030]

It's not even hate, it's literally whinging children caring on like Veruca Salt.

[@demon1103]

Ok just have to say, the part of by telling people to just 3D print stuff doesn't help...not quite true. It is because other youtubers kept talking about it and showing the models off that I now have a 3D printer; and I will be able to make things that I'd otherwise never have been able to have before. As far as "shiny resin" goes, I think that's very much dependent on the type used, I'd say GW plastic is shiner than mine XD. I will agree on some points though. Don't get into 3D printing to stick it to GW... it's hurts them as much as a toddler punching you, they'll be fine; do 3d printing so you can expand your arsenal. As you said, it's another tool, same as when I got an airbrush. It does have its headaches..I failed a couple attempts due to missing a step in the instuctions and it was infuriating, but I figured it out.However, getting past the hardships in 3D printing is no harder than getting past the hardships in painting (edge highlighting, NMM, glazing, etc..). All in all say a 3D printer is a great tool and investment and people should help spread the word so others can see how far its come and what can be accomplished. However, I get that it's not for everyone, and that's fine as well.

[@Alex254561]

true, i have also a 3d printer that is coming

[@pinoarias8601]

Fuck nmm tho lol

[@demon1103]

@@pinoarias8601 Yup...at least for me. More power to those who get good at it, but I like my TMM covered in rust...then again I'm an Ork/Nurgle guy

[@Vorisk]

So I recently picked up a 3D printer not to stick to GW but to be able to make the "kitbash" I want with out spending a fortune. I thought for sure I would be printing out a full army, but recently its been statues or ship models from older shows I love that never made collectibles,. Like Babylon 5 loved the show hardly toys , now i have all the ships.

[@WayneCatlin]

If anyone wants a 3D printer just to "stick it to GW" , then they seriously need to sit and down and re-evaluate their existence...

[@elliotyourarobot]

Agreed

[@brucecraft5858]

I just wanted you to know that I 3D print just to stick it to GW. And after I "re-evaluate" my existence I will create a new figure named 'Wayne Catlin'. Congratulations, you are inspiring the arts.

[@ryan.1990]

GW deserve people sticking it to them, after their needless divisive political pandering in 2020, their relentless takedown of fan animations, they're ridiculous price hikes and their utter contempt for their customers. What world are you living in where this is ok behaviour for a company?

[@WayneCatlin]

@@brucecraft5858 Nice one Bruce!! Enjoy your feeble attempt at revenge with your big ugly printer and hours of farting around!! I'll continue to support my local gaming store with my mates!!

[@WayneCatlin]

@@ryan.1990 Where did I say any of this behaviour was ok?? What world are you living in??

[@AJBunBun]

Them: Just buy a 3d printer! Me: eh no! I dont want to learn a new skill, spend time browsing and supporting models. I don't want to spend so much on printer that will be out of date in 6 months, deal with smelly resins and goops. I just want to buy the thing I want, paint it and move on. Just because you boycott GW doesn't mean myself or others have to. I simply buy what I want and skip what I don't. I'm too old and mature to be dealing with such silly things. I have better things to do like live my life and paint. Love the content Jay and Nick take my like (or dislike if you prefer)

[@AJBunBun]

@SoyBoy I mean if taking care of my family and my health from toxic fumes and chemicals is not big brain then I am unsure what is. I don't dislike 3d printing or nor am I pro GW, I am a simple realist. I do what suits me and that is not 3d printing. There are also other avenues to purchasing GW minis. I also don't get the hate or combative nature towards those who don't 3d print or boycott GW. GW do shitty things but also great things. Just do you and don't allow others choices to effect you.

[@pinoarias8601]

I don't think mindlessly consooming is mature at all. If anything, the boycott is the mature thing to do.

[@AJBunBun]

@@pinoarias8601 Who said about buying in mass? And if someone does that is there prerogative. As long as you don't spend past your means then that is ok, you cannot judge how someone spends their money. Some spend it on holidays, some on jewelry or clothes and others on hobbies. As long as they stay within their means and actually paint and use it then there is no problem.

[@therob5733]

I started off 3D printing with a 'stick it to GW' mentality (and because I'm cheap and don't want to shell out the $), but then when i really got into it i found that i just really enjoyed 3d printing as a hobby in itself.. printing 40k mini's has just become a bit of a sideline, and i print more for the enjoyment of it so i have more things to paint!

[@MugenSlayers]

I love the stuff you say. Saying intelligent things on youtube about hobby and 3D printing this is nice.

[@Basedweaboo]

I did start printing minis cause I wasn't happy with a lot of GWs policies.it's helped me expand into other games and learn games that are just a million times better. I think it does sorta does steer people away from gw in that regard cause it makes it easier to try out other games. I know a lot of printers who haven't played a single gw game cause they have be printing custom models for KoW or stargrave

[@thorvoam1028]

Ayy I'm already on a binge of your weekly bids so perfect timing whilst I'm kitbashing som canoptek wraiths 🤜🤛

[@Wolf359inc]

With regard to your comments on 3D printing: there are still people out there who have no idea about it. There have been numerous occasions where I have shown off something I have printed, and have then had to explain what 3D printing is. In most cases, the people in question have been in their fifties, as I am. I have always wanted a Necron army, but have been unable to afford one (I live in Australia, where GW stuff is ridiculously expensive, and out of reach of low income earners, or pensioners). Recently, I discovered “One Page Rules”, and joined their Patreon. I now have access to the files I need to print an entire “Robot Legions” army, in resin, for the smaller figures, and PLA for things like Tyrants and Doom Tanks. I have had the machines for a couple of years, each, so they do not figure into my costs. I will be able to print my entire army for a very small fraction of the cost of an equivalent GW army…

[@DiscourseMinis]

I completely agree regarding trying to support other game systems in the miniature wargaming marketplace. I referred to it as a "buycott" and it's something that's done in other industries, to great effect. Supporting other systems increases the competition, and it means that Games Workshop will have to work harder to our money. And this would force them to adopt consumer friendly practices. Unfortunately right now we're trapped in a cyclical relationship, and we're on a certain upswing of bad behavior from GW. Still, the hobby is growing and I just hope that too many new players don't get burned!

[@devineveraert796]

I print because it’s cheaper and helps me stretch my hobby budget. GW gets my money for audiobooks, paints and a few models I really love.

[@Jerkshoes]

Im considering a 3d printer myself. More as a tool, like Jay said. Im just Interested in printing out terrain. I have no problem paying GW prices if its models I love. Life is busy and I'd rather spend my hobby time painting or playing. Also, its cool seeing my Mirknob on KZbin!

[@eroooz]

I'm totaly with you. I am tierd of all talk about 3d printing. I do this hoby to build, paint, collect and play. Im not here to scream at GW. The only thing i can scream at them is to update forgeworld xD. And if you do not like the paints... buy other pains. Like duncans new collection :). Btw i love your content

[@fionnmcaleer4830]

Your logic on the 3d printing thing is just wrong. I do agree that playing other games is a much better way to "protest".

[@TheSYLOH]

Yeah, pretty much the only games in my city are GW owned, I don't have the social network of TT gamers to start a switch. So yeah, GW can have my advertising, but they won't have my money. Oh, and my FLG bought a 3D printer, and they've always sold 3d party minis. I might not be able to do anything, but they certainly can. Even if I disappeared, GW isn't going to notice 1 customer's word of mouth/money going with me. That is not an excuse to keep forking over more money.

[@fionnmcaleer4830]

@@TheSYLOH His point that 3d printing is advertising for GW is a weak point as it's clearly also a bigger advertisement for 3d printing. Plus advertising space marines to someone playing warhammer is not a big deal, im sure that player knows space marines already

[@dwarrenmsp]

I'd love to see more Legion on the channel. It's a great game and needs more love on YT. That's how you stick it to GW. PS: Your Rebels look great by the way! Can wait to see the Imperials.

[@Nomad6763]

There was a leak suggesting Space Hulk is going to have a rerelease this winter. Hard to say how credible the source was though.

[@gameswithtoasty3246]

There isn't a table on earth that can contain Space Hulk XD

[@johnalbers6153]

Standing up slow clapping by the end of the first 15 minutes of this video

[@mudawott]

The time and cost required to start 3D printing isnt huge, but it is an entirely new hobby to learn about. If you are printing for DND or other TTRPGS you are likely to get more out of it since finding the model you want from a company is hard and sometimes characters are out there as hell. Or I dont want to spend 50 bucks on a dragon. Theres no tournaments or bans on these things because competitive TTRPGs arent a big thing. For wargaming It is inconvienient to print entire armies especially if you want to play GW games, since its unlikely youll be allowed to play at tournaments. The best use for 3D printing in war gaming is terrain and getting super cheap blank bases. Maybe even storage solutions. The best warhammer models dont make use of the good sides of 3D Printing. Especially if you are talking 40k. Everything is big and round and fun and it feels like a waste of resin since there isnt the kind of detail that resin printers excel at. It can be great for bits, like little skulls or bottles, I love printing for silly base stuff, but whole models just arent worth it, unless you want old hammer. Also if your using FDM to build tanks or big mechs you are spending a lot of time printings, sanding, priming, sanding again all before you can finally paint. If you arenr interested in 3d printing as its own hobby its just nor worth it. As a TTRPG player and DM 3D printing is baller. I enjoy the process. Places like Loot Studios spoil DND and DND adjacent player with fantastic sculpts that I think are gorgeous and rivals what Wizkids and GW put out but each one is a resin statue and isnt the best for gaming nor for havinh a diverse army. Printing will never kill GW because buying is easier,

[@mudawott]

oof clearing up spelling errors gets rid of creator lijes lol.

[@nige100]

I have a 3D printing business, I have 14 printers (10 resin 4 FDM) And I agree with everything in this video (but then I seem to agree with everything the eternally chill Jay says) There's a big part of the hobby that isn't interested in 3D printing they want to pay me to do it for them, And if I wasn't printing I would still be selling retail sets so it hasn't taken away from anything 🙂 Also CobraMode models are amazing and I am the sole UK merchant for their products 😁

[@brokenheroics8223]

I got a 3D printer for 2 reasons.... #1 I am working in merchant licenses so that I can support my family and feed my kids and cats. #2 I hate having extra bits and having nothing to do with them. So, this video proves, 3D printing won't hurt anymore because we are still having fun. Great vid, Jay

[@DudeMinis]

Every guy I know with a printer, needs to watch this video and REALLY listen to it!!

[@docremington1589]

I’m glad I can buy some 3D printed models that are incredibly dated at GW, like the Bullgors (I know, not 40k) but most of my army is GW nonetheless. You’re spot on here, but I do think that the future is more uncertain than you think. I could imagine this actually become the next big thing at some point. But let’s be honest, if that happens GW will probably adapt.

[@furious5009]

3d printing doesn’t hurt GW… but it should

[@Karloss00]

I've still got my 2009 Space Hulk sealed and in the shopping bag and receipt I bought it with. All my friends went off to University so I had no one to play it with so its gathered dust ever since. A guy even offered me double the price when I bought it because it was the last one in store and he was a minute too late.

[@SCHMALLZZZ]

The 2014 edition has more missions

[@l.a.wright6912]

Nice, it's always cool to see collections, keep hold of it, it's condition is astounding. The story behind it is a little sad though. I'm sorry that happened to you. Luckily the virtual tabletop community would love to play with you.

[@Grrizz84]

Reminds me of... Everyone: "I pirated Windows" Microsoft: 90% market share...

[@paulhopkins8391]

You could say the same for music. How many of us oldies, would sit in the bedroom record tracks off the radio or downing tracks off some file sharing sit in the 90's-2000's?

[@bumgilligan]

I'm learning 40k and I keep losing because I forget all my extra rules too.

[@frankfontaine8817]

You are absolutely right - the only way to stick it to GW is not to play. It says a lot about their dominance that many “haters” can’t really step away from the games. I stopped collecting 40k going on a year now and the longer you don’t do it, the easier it becomes. Thank you for the observations on 3D printing.

[@TheEnd]

I specifically bought a printer to make my own space hulk terminators and some more dreadnaughts for my ba army, wish me luck finding some awesome STLs!

[@kulovicz3152]

I do not want 3D prints to fuck with GW. I want 3D prints to force myself to keep playing Warhammer.

[@edwardrobe7733]

I agree with the fact that 3d printing is a hobby in itself that isn't for everyone, but I have to respectfully disagree with the idea that it isn't a threat to GW. While you make a very good point about how it can indirectly encourage people to buy GW products, the strides 3d printing has made even in the last few years (cheaper printers, better prints, tons of STLs, etc.) surely has popped up on GW's radar and partially explains them cracking down on their IP. As someone who has bounced back and forth between printing/buying models, yeah, there is some more work/initial investment in printing vs. buying kits - but not *that* much more. And the price difference is very stark the more you print. I think one of the main reasons why GW is still going strong is that there is a lot of folks who just prefer to buy and BUILD kits - it's also its own hobby and can bring joy that splicing 3d models on meshmixer can't provide. That being said, I think GW will lose *some* market share to the 3d printing market, even if the overall market continues to grow as people get into the hobby as a whole.

[@heretic192]

I consider myself someone whose biggest joy in the hobby comes from the modelling aspect. I like to build plastic kits, but its not like that does not take a lot of time, especially if they are a bit older and have lots and lots of mold lines. The time investment in setting up the printer etc until cleaning the final print by swirling it in alcohol is really not that big of a deal compared to removing the mold lines from a box of miniatures. And since you can print individual components like arms, legs, torsos and heads etc the modelling aspect is not lost at all. I actually think the fun of making individual models is multiplied by infinity because i can print whatever i need in whatever size i want for my kitbashes. But its not for everyone for sure, lets face it, you need (or rather should have) a dedicated room for your printer and not everyone has a house or apartment big enough to sacrifice an entire room for hobby stuff.

[@syviren6408]

Pirating rules got me back into the game. And from there a dozen more people.

[@michaelspitz9151]

BROOOOO SPACE HULKKKK LESS GO, in my opinion you got all the rules right.

[@jacobl2222]

3D printing is definitely the next big thing. Wargaming may be niche, but 3D printing has applications across a vast variety of hobbies and industries. Regardless of what wargamers do, 3D printers are going to keep getting more powerful, easier to use, and more widespread. The quality they put out is constantly going up. And you don't even NEED to own one or be into doing it yourself. There are more and more small businesses out there that will sell you printed miniatures. You can buy them and paint them as easily as their store-bought equivalent. And the odds are going up that you have a friend or acquaintance with a printer who will fire off some prints for you. And GW doesn't care? Sure, that's why they're hiring "Infringement Assistants" whose entire job is aggressively combing websites in order to get alternatives to their official stuff taken down. They don't seem to share your belief that squads of 3D printed marines are good for their business.

[@brucewayne3892]

I 3D print and in no way think I can take down GW by doing so. But it still let's me not buy more things from them. I can only control what I do anyway, who cares if it encourages others to buy from GW in some way.

[@mr.miniaturesmodels8465]

True grit on display here in this episode. Bravo, Jay!

[@petermartin9224]

I think we need to start a hashtag campaign to bring back Space Hulk, gw can't ignore that right 🤣 Anyways, great vid as always and I agree with what you say about 3d printing, while I'd love to get into that aspect myself, that's mainly to bring my ideas to life. I wouldn't stop buying gw/wyrd/etc stuff at all. Life's too short for all the negativity. Hate less, play more.

[@petermartin9224]

I was joking about the hashtag, but if gw put out Space Hulk again, I'd happily buy it. If I didn't have the money then I wouldn't. I wouldn't moan about it, I'd just move on and play something else. No need for negativity, life's to short for that. As for making my own, nah im good on that front. If I was going to do that effort for anything, I'd be making my own game. I mean that's the only reason I'd want a 3d printer for, to make my own designs.

[@tonylyman9775]

I just printed and painted a unicorn for my niece's birthday. It is awesome 👌

[@CocoHutzpah]

Lets combine the two ideas here. If many people start playing other games like Space Hulk, GW will bring it back quickly.

[@seanmcnallyactor]

This conversation is still so very relevant. Its what we were talking about last night at our local game night. Thank you for the video

[@peterjones4763]

Totally agree and also think that hobby diversification is not bad thing (even if that's getting into 3D printing to print non GW models).

[@chopsworth3833]

GW doesn't care and doesn't notice? They have literally created a new position in the company to hunt down artists that make STLs of 'Armoured Space Knight' or 'Spikey Cringe Elf'.

[@anotherzingbo]

I think I agree with a lot of your points about 3D printing. I had an FDM printer for a while but running it was a hobby in of itself and I just couldn't get motivated by that. As for Space Hulk, I reckon that if/when GW release a new edition it will be tied in with them finally releasing Primaris Terminators. Terminators are just too iconic to be left to the slow death of the Firstborn, and a new edition of Space Hulk would be a great way to introduce new, taller, Terminator models.

[@EonsOfBattle]

if primaris terminators are what it takes to bring back space hulk so be it!!!

[@acerba]

The virgin pirate space marines VS the chad 100% homebrew games & lore

[@bloodbarage]

Love the point on 3D printing. So true. Tired of everyone complaining.

[@bogatyr2473]

I genuinely don't care about hurting GW, they don't need my help for that. All I want to do is print and paint cool minis to play with without having to take out second home loan to afford to do it.

[@javifulanito8671]

There're a lot of things mixing here. I think 3d printing brings new competition and that's good for the whole mini market, and yes, it doesn't "hurt" GW but now they've to compete to a new challenge, and not just product wise but HR wise too, what if it's more convenient for their artists to be independent patreon artists? . Also, you mentioned that you don't want to deal with 3d printing "peculiarities" and go directly to paint... but that's already a very crafty work, I can imagine people who is already very craft willing to get even more crafty. I've seen some miniature painters going through a lot of work for customizing GW models good enought to support magnets, and therefore have some articulation, well parametrized printed models could deal with that just out of the box. People is upset because they have been paying for a premium brand that: - Doesn't pay well to their artists. - Has a shitty fan management. - The overpricing of several models is obviously obcene (comparable 3d printed models cost 10 times less without exagerations, something even 50 times less), they can have the most blessed plastic in the world, but they're doing something wrong if a 3d printed house model is that much of a cost save. - You have to assemble several models and for having a minimal articulation you need a gigantic work, while from 3d printers is all the other way around, you can just print an articulable assembled model. I bet people would be really happy to pay for a customizable 3d miniatures oriented software, in which you can select, for exmaple, a marine squad, and there you choose to make them articulable, the weapons they will use, and add or remove any piece they like/dislike, but if you don't want to do all that job, then getting a box of a space marine squad shouldn't cost a fortune neither. Aditionally, wouldn't be 3d printers an aditional source of people comming to this kind of hobby? I mean, I'd rather practice painting skills in cheap unnoficial models than in official ones. I think 3d printers can open a whole new world of content, hobbies and jobs. Stores for 3d printing files, software for minis customization, artists uploading their content and charging for it + getting money from streaming their job, 3d printer experts who can charge you a little sum for printing a complex model and do some extra job over it. Nowaday's GW won't survive if they don't change fast eough, and I'm talking from now to 5 years.

[@ChampstylesTLT]

Yeah well now you get to paint the newly announced Shadow Collective faction for Legion. Especially if you plan on getting every army like me lol

[@rodericklenz5030]

Honestly, the only thing you come close to hurting are the rank and file GW employees who have a tiny chance of losing their jobs.

[@chopsworth3833]

Maybe GW should have thought about those poor rank and file employees before charging 50 bucks for a single mini that is the same size a model in a five man squad that also costs 50 bucks.

[@GrenadeMessiah]

“hhOooWWW” - felt that one in my jangles 9.2 of 10

[@TheAverlorn]

GW in Australia and New Zealand has been driving mannnyy of their hobbyists to 3d printing. You see how much they charge us? They make the 3d printing endeavour very cost effective and recoup the investment costs almost on the 1st print in a few cases. It's mental.

[@am2160]

As someone who cant afford GW branded everything, you are tripping.

[@fullmetalanarchist6521]

I think one of the big ways 3D printing will make a difference is that I feel that it’s going take not from the games workshop crowd, but from the forge world crowd, like if you have that kind of money to buy a kreig army or get into 30k you’re pretty likely to end up getting a printer instead.

[@EonsOfBattle]

forge world is just ridiculous, maybe it made sense 10 years ago but now it's just silly.

[@Gyropathic]

@@EonsOfBattle Agreed, and also the resin they use is crap, I would recommend anyone who wants anything from FW to look for proxies cause I don't want them to pay huge money for models that will literally come warped, like seeing a $1000 model with warped parts hurts me.

[@TheothosGentry]

4:31 theres a water drop timed to "organic shapes" and I love it

[@Random4Logic]

Halleluja finally someone staying on the floor. I mean i fucking love 3D printing but thats because im also into modelling stuff on blender which makes for a nice combination. My friends who only like Tabeltopgaming have nothing to do with 3D printing.

[@mayofrench5170]

Space Hulk, Have it. Painted it. Love it. Would probably buy another.

[@5az2]

Your take comes from someone that actually play the game that GW has created. So 3d printing seems like an addition to the physical part of the hobby that is using models. You may still support GW by playing and showing your army that may have 3d printed bits. But I'm not playing the game. I started buying GW models because I enjoyed how they look (AdMech) and I enjoyed painting them (also GW is the most avaliable miniature company in my country). When I bought 3d printer I stopped buying GW models because I don't need to buy them anymore. There are a lot of creators which scuplts I prefer rather than buying physical models. So in my case GW lost a client. I did not buy tons of models so losing 200$ won't hurt much, but it's still money lost for GW. I'm not saying that this will destroy GW, but it kinda impacts them as a company.

[@dopplereffect5729]

What every reviewer refuses to see, but GW has already seen as a company that respects itself (not its clients), is the scale.Yes 200 wont hurt them.But even if 500 people think they way you do (and its highlly possible this happens), it means 100.000 loss of potential revenues. This is nothing to scuff upon even for larger companies.That is the reason of the witchunt GW has initated against stl databses and groups

[@paulhopkins8391]

However, any company would take action against someone using their intellectual property.

[@dopplereffect5729]

​@@paulhopkins8391 True, but I dont think this is in question here.Where the similarities draw the line of what is theft and what look alike?

[@Thornbeard]

I honestly think the main problem with 3D printing right now is all the maintenance and cleaning required. We already have to clean and maintain a ton of other stuff for our hobby (brushes, airbrushes, glue etc.) Once we get a 3D printer that is 1.great print quality with no print lines, 2. is as easy to operate as a smart phone and finally 3. self cleaning. That is when you will see a huge shift. By that time I am sure GW will probably have STC sales (probably based around a NFT style blockchain security so that the STC can only be printed a limited amount of times.)

[@Phoenixillusion18]

I bought a 3D printer for extra customization ... you know, the thing this hobby encourages. Small bits for kitbashing , some premade bases or why not some cool model that I think might make a fun paint project. I'm struggling to understand how come sculpting with greenstuff is ok but doing a similar thing only in a digital program is stigmatized.

[@Waster_War_Boss]

I’m having a grand ol’ time trashbashing orkz for friendly games good for my wallet and good for the planet

[@dracomundos]

I managed to get a copy of Space Hulk for $20 cause someone didn't know what they had and they had it buried in their listing pictures. Probably my best find so far.

[@EonsOfBattle]

that's an awesome deal!

[@AnotherMC]

It’s a genuine cost saver in Australia. Printed a 1000p Tyranid army for less than $20 give or take $5 in mistakes.

[@NewSquallor]

I was shocked to discover the other day that no one was selling Space Hulk. I completely agree with you about it. Should always be on the shelf. Even if you aren't playing the game as Space Hulk you can use the terrain to play a scary close quarters 40k game or something else Sci-Fi like Stargrave.

[@williamings773]

I've moved onto mini agnostic games. Being able to play with what minis you want with a good rule set is more empowering to players then mini specific wargames.

[@m.p.877]

I stopped buying physical models, and moved completely to 3D printing. But it is indeed a Hobby itself, and most people don't have the time. So I agree that 3D printing won't be a gamechanger for the whole market. It's like anyone could build their own furniture, yet most people will buy it simply because it's way easier to just buy something, than to spend the time to learn how to do it and then actually do it. Of course you can save money and get better results by crafting it yourself, yet the market isn't affected by those few people that are dedicated to their furniture crafting.

[@USALibertarian]

Injection molding is a superior mass production process compared to 3D printing. 3D printing is ideal for what it used to be called- rapid prototyping. Atomizing wargaming might even help monolithic GW. But more importantly it eases people into designing, sculpting, etc. Any system with more than like 2 variables requires mathematical to predict and wargaming has like...a million variables.

[@rodericklenz5030]

@@Dstinct interesting, did not know that, thank you. To be fair, I've got a few cast resin bits and pieces in the hoard, all pre-dating 3d printers and some coming up on 15 years old. They're not all in great shape as well. A lot have warped over the years.

[@MrCommentguru]

I mean its alot more simple to print than you made it out to be. By the time you assemble, scrap, and sand a squad you could have cleaned, dryed, and cured a squad it all comes out in the wash. However both are cool!

[@luisbermudez4756]

They re-released this Space Hulk around 2018 or 2019. They had sold out and it was pulled from their website some time around 2017, I think, and I regretted missing out on it, but they did eventually put it on their website again and I scooped it up right away. It's gone again, of course, but they did release it more recently than 2014.

[@vryusvin3905]

God I'm so old, just came back to 40k, but... wow, my Space Hulk box looked more like a 60s pulp sci-fi novel cover. Still frelling awesome. It lead me to buy the old pewter armies back in the 90s (I had zip-lock bags full of them waiting to be painted! Mostly Eldar). What memories learning that game, and then getting that weird main rules tome (I'm guessing 2nd edition) with all the ink and crosshatched artwork. Loved it. Still do!

[@ravener96]

I think a generation of new wargamers used to minis being cents will have a lot harder time justifying the price of plastic

[@JakeDogg-RIP]

Buttermilk bob says it does hurt gw! 😂😂🐶

[@Nallenbot]

This man's eyebrows are more animated than the pixar back catalogue 😉

[@alexanderfielding]

I swear the people who make super negative videos on games workshop but then upload 5 videos a week on how shit they are.... they have to suffering some Stockholm syndrome or something right? Like if you hate them so much just don't make content on it 😂

[@Solaaris1]

Its cool to bash GW at the moment. Its stupid. Gets clicks on videos though it seems.

[@alexanderfielding]

@@Solaaris1 and that's the issue I have with it in many cases, so many people *cough gamza cough* are just trying to milk the algorithm.

[@elliotyourarobot]

@@Solaaris1 agreed

[@Solaaris1]

@@alexanderfielding Yep. I tend to unsub from GW bashers now. All the content is full of GW stuff but then they make vids bashing the company they promote lol. Stupid really.

[@elliotyourarobot]

@@alexanderfielding that name was the first i thought of

[@Psycho-Babble]

No Jay, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Whether I 3D print my models or buy them, no one is going to look at them and say to themselves "wow, I'm going to buy my own models". My models aren't inspiring anyone. If you see an over flowing dumpster behind a restaurant, does it make you hungry, do you want to eat the food that the trash once was?

[@BrickInTheHead]

Jay, I have a vitally important question for you. When you're planning what you're going to talk about, do you think about how you're going to say "HOWWWW" each week? Or is it a spur of the moment type thing once you start filming? Just let out what you're feeling in that moment?

[@EonsOfBattle]

the "how" each week is always off the top of my head

[@thomasmoore9987]

I absolutely agree with this. I've run across more than a few salty people that obsess over GW and want them to collapse while still playing. I think if you're that unhappy with GW and it's causing you that much stress, you should just try something else.

[@DavesMiniMenagerie]

Agree 100%, spending money on other game companies is the real 'sticking it to the man'. I can't believe that there are so many people in this hobby that spend so much time admiring all the hard work that has gone into lore, artwork, paint jobs etc, and then are super happy to go and rip off GW's IP.

[@CobraModeMiniatures]

Thank you so much for the mention! There's nothing better for an artist to hear 🥰

[@EonsOfBattle]

anytime cobra! You are awesome.

[@KilnFirelink]

Somewhat unrelated but I just gotten back into the hobby and I have been told my old 2004 XV88's arnt legal for play as they give me an advantage? I put them on a larger base but was still told no. I was told it is store policy that they do not allow discontinued models in store as it does not encourage sales.

[@JohanVanLoon]

3D printing is not hurting GW, but it might be hurting the FLGS where you go and buy your minis... Oh I know, online they're cheaper, but my FLGS gives me "free" opponent, free advise, free space to play... it's worth it, I haven't bought anything GW-related online in years, and also buy most of my boardgames there, by now they really know my tastes, so their advise only keeps becoming more valuable!

[@EonsOfBattle]

that is good advice!