3 Fixes that NEED to Happen in Kill Team Octarius | Models and Memories Weekly #17

[@IOnlyWantToWatchIt]

Always love the different ways you end up saying "How"

[@bretts2356]

GW needs to come out with flying stands made out of Finecast.

[@JayAndNightASMR]

I agree with movement, I would like to see a system like xcom and other tactical top down games. Where you can run and shoot, or sprint a linger distance but give up the ability to shoot. Also same for moral, where instead of losing you het a random effect, like fleeing back or panic shooting at really negative chance

[@NoPe-no4sn]

Ork neva gunna linger

[@samcashc]

I mean, you’re pretty much describing an advance, which IS in KT. You get to move your normal move plus 1D6 but can’t shoot unless it’s an assault weapon.

[@colouredIncognito]

Man I love your enthusiasm

[@DaniszAstronauta]

Relevant part about kill team starts at 5:20 unless you want to listen about xwing

[@RustedSniper7]

Dude, I could listen to you talk about random stuff for hours. You make everything sound interesting. Keep it up man :)

[@beardhammerwargaming]

I’m just waiting for the future video in which the “HOW” becomes a Glam Metal screech of fun and joy 😂

[@PasekAdam]

Scouting phase was dropped pretty early in more competitive kill team, tbh I forgot it even existed :v Bad morale rolls still had an impact but no competitive packet used a rule broken = you lose. After a lot of fixes from competitive community game got really good and Commanders International packet made pretty much all factions viable. Still I'm very exited for the new edition, finally my eldar rangers and dire avengers will see some use :D

[@danteunknown2108]

Glad to see another X-wing 2nd Ed convert! Welcome to the awesome!

[@christopherdilloway4836]

I use Launch Bay Next for X-Wing...stats, armies, and a collection tracker. It's a nice app. I wasn't sold on the points in an app thing, either, but I got over it and jumped into version 2 and was not unhappy and would never go back to version 1. The new Kill Team is, apparently, a complete revision of the entire system...and they've already announced plenty of changes that have divorced it from the basic 40K...which I like. I really like Kill Team and am looking forward to the new system.

[@durzod2052]

I had 2 options for the clear plastic flight stands. Either slightly widen the hole where the stand attaches and glue the model to the stand below the tiny peg (after painting the clear plastic flat black), or replace the plastic pylon with brass rod. Back when I played WFB I had a set of 8 bases with views of the ground seen from a high altitude with a brass tube (about 2-3" long) fixed to it by drilling a hole in the base and gluing a brass rod that fit into the tube to the base for stability. I marked one side of the base as the "front" and glued a few wisps of cotton on to represent clouds. Then for all my flying units I only had to glue a short section of brass rod into the underside and could use the same bases for any unit. Made storing flyers (Fell Bats, Terradon riders, etc) easy, as you didn't have to account for all those flight bases. You could also amuse yourself during opponent's turns by spinning your flyers on their stands. I got this from a variant of the Mustangs game a friend came up with that used 1/287 scale miniature WWII planes with the brass rod attached. Various lengths of brass rod were used to represent altitude changes.

[@Seoz]

I think that those ranges with pictograms instead of just inches are a bit confusing. It's like reinventing the wheel to make people remember what which picture means or force them to buy measurement sticks from GW :x Also I often play exploding kittens with my casual friends ;)

[@BB-pn2qv]

Yes!!! Keep up with your content on Kill Team!

[@lauphingman4699]

For me it’s the dang psychic phase. Super unfair advantage to pretty much all other factions. Hated that

[@JasonM69]

Played x wing for the first time last night and it was awesome. Went on for 4 hrs and I even won! Might have to get into that!

[@EonsOfBattle]

that's awesome! games will get MUCH faster, eventually under an hour becomes normal.

[@BrickInTheHead]

13:57 jay you're describing litko flight stands and they are just as wonderful as you imagine

[@petermartin9224]

Good episode Jay, your enthusiasm for X Wing is infectious, though another reason against an app would be if they ditched it, there goes the points costs etc. This is why people were complaining about the big bucks self transforming optimus Prime toy. I think some of your prayers are going to be answered by GW regarding Kill Team, looking at the data cards.

[@HuntingHeresy]

Magnets are the way to go for flying stands. I magnetized a suppressor sergeant and both ends of the acrylic swoop are magnetized so you never have to worry about it breaking.

[@Veles343]

I don't know why but the intro to these just makes me incredibly happy

[@Veles343]

Jay in previous videos: I have no need to get xwing second edition Also Jay: I bought two conversion kits Who were you trying to convince Jay?! 😂

[@emgee2807]

From what it seems, it looks like you'll have a set number of 'actions' that you can use for whatever. Say you have three actions, you use all three to move, and that's it. Or you move, attack, attack. ETC.

[@sellis5716]

Had some very interesting experiences playing the British version of cards against humanity with randoms. My wife and I’s sense of humour is very dark with no boundaries, we’ve had people walk out of a party due to being offended, which is a bit of a vibe killer. But I agree Jay, we much prefer playing against people we know well, and exploring kittens is the perfect game for casuals!

[@macaulaymcgregor768]

That scrapjet looked bloody amazing

[@Ed-ss1uh]

More Rouge traders! I love the blackstone fortress and kill team models

[@ArynCrinn]

The new kits in Kill Team Octarius are actually customizable enough so that they can be built for 40k (they've even confirmed that rules for the new wargear will make their way into future 40k books), which is kind of what I expect we will see for most future Kill Team releases... at least for the ones that are able to be taken in 40k. I'm already guessing that we'll be seeing some kind of Craftworld Guardians/Rangers/Dire Avengers kit within the next 12 months that follows this basic premise, incorporating that weird mine/thing that we saw a few months back in the Rumour Engine. Kill Team is a great opportunity for GW to update some of those older kits outside of the typical 40k release windows (i.e. they don't have to release new kits with a new book). Given that Kill Team is now action based, with alternating player activations, and most "operatives" (that's what individual models are called in the game) have 2 action points (Shooting costs 1 action point), it might change the prevalence of movement entirely. As for a morale phase, the lack of Leadership values on the new datacards suggests it may not even be a thing anymore... Kill Team 2.0 is clearly a signifcant change, and no longer just "mini 40k."

[@felipeopazo2662]

You did it! Congratulations!

[@LordShaper]

I've recently just ordered my second edition as my son is interested in playing it as well and have found YASB 2.0 is more up to date than the X-Wing app and you can print your lists if you need to

[@AJBunBun]

I am on the fence about getting Killteam. I have tons of AOS plastic. I wonder, is this my chance to jump into 40k or should I just buy WarCry. I wish they just made actual smal basic Killteams that new players could buy but could be expanded upon with other heroes or units. Guess what else I have been on the fence about? That's right! Exploding Kittens and you have convinced me to jump that fence and pick it up.

[@artistpoet5253]

dang. I was getting so pumped to buy into x-wing. your enthusiasm was really selling it to me...but now it's app based. so...nope. I play a tabletop game on the tabletop with paper, pencils, dice and models/tokens. if I'm gonna use my devices, I'll play on consoles and mobile devices. yeah, it's nice to have a 'live' rule set that gets fluid updates and all, but like you said: what if you can't afford the data? what if the wi-fi goes out? what if you're trying to conserve battery power? well, if there's a way to print out your army stats then I guess that'll be ok.

[@Mad.player]

I Have a suppressor in my KT that is mounted on this arching flying stand, had to pin it because the glue did not hold at all.

[@mattbrown5234]

I doubt you'll see this, but from my perspective the points moving to an app in X-Wing was controversial, but two years in 90+% of the player base agrees it was a good idea. I wish more games would go that route for the sake of points balancing.

[@charleyedwards2121]

excited for the killteam box tho

[@michaelspitz9151]

Yesssssss models and memories 🛑 I can’t wait for 🔵. 🔺was my favorite.

[@danielgeorges3048]

Inquisitor with retinue Kill Teams… niche please!

[@WolinskiColton]

LOL, I have done the scouting phase once in my 50+ games of kill team. I honestly forgot it was part of the game!

[@Flarecobra]

Dunno if you have ever played these, but two FUN card games I've enjoyed... Red Dragon Inn, and Sheriff of Nottingham. Still best with friends, but also a good way to make some new ones. Or enemies if you so prefer.

[@jessehammil3897]

Seriously hope they sell boxes that will be a full fledged kill team. Would be easier to onboard friends who aren’t currently wargamers.

[@walkerawhite4698]

Between Exploding Kittens and Munchkin, they're great casual games for friends and acquaintances alike.

[@claybass3631]

Glad I ran across this channel!

[@ChernobylKid]

i love your aura and vibe man such a positive channel

[@JakeDogg-RIP]

I LOVE EXPLODING KITTENS! A ded cat is a good cat 🐈 💥 😂😂😂🐶

[@joshwright3217]

I can’t wait for the box I’m pushing my next project back for death korps

[@piratemagetjalf6477]

Wohooo! Got featured!

[@sanguinius6815]

I'd love a Kasrkin killteam

[@bocktordaytona5656]

If they make flying bases like the ones of the ghost or milenium falcon from x wing could work better.... that bases or x wing bases are magic! Im not play the game but i love the minis and hoping some day to play and it just works.... that bases are a dream

[@KillTeamHungary]

Kill Team was left to die. A new edition wasn't needed, but instead, the tards at GW came up with another edition, instead of fixing a few things. 1: the reroll wording. Since the core rule book came out (3 years ago), the reroll wording was flawed. Since modifiers were applied AFTER rerolls, some core abilities like They Shall Know No Fear could not be applied since a space marine after losing 3 team mates having a flesh wound would have had to take an LD7-3=4 but since modifiers dont come until rerolls happening na matter what you did you could not roll 7+ with a d6. So you passed on 1-4, but on a 5-6 meant you are shaken and TSKNF did not activate. 2: clearing up the Veteran movement + turn 1 charge. Would have been nice to have a person writing these FAQs who actually knows at least intermediate English. 3: Giving the Sisters of Battle their full rule set instead of making them a joke faction. 4: optimizing the injury roll. Thats it.

[@drathlor]

ooooh also, flying stands, I sanded off 2mms of it, and then used a 1mm thick magnet on the models back and 1mm superglued onto the base. So they sit same height, but are magnetised onto the base, so no breakage, it falls and the model pops off, but the base and stand is fine and the model, just reattach via the magnet, 1 second XD

[@JakeDogg-RIP]

🩸☠️🐶BLOOD 4 THE BLOOD DOGG 🐶☠️🩸

[@bauken5315]

On exploding kittens "Also, the game is clean, there's nothing really offensive about it!" Me: Stares at my NSFW copy of exploding kittens and horrified at the thought of grandma seeing the "infinity boner" card

[@JohnathanJWells]

It seems like they're removing the morale phase, based on the datacards they've showed. Im honestly perfectly cool with that. I was never a fan of it, for the reasons you say, and because I just don't think it fits thematically with the game.

[@NoPe-no4sn]

I think it fits better with an army situation vs a squad situation. Squad fights are over so much faster there’s no time for emotions

[@JohnathanJWells]

@@NoPe-no4sn Plus Kill Teams are supposed to be elite units.

[@georgekeith9928]

@@JohnathanJWells Yours might be. But mine are just regular dudes that are cut off from (and fighting their way back to) the main force.

[@NoPe-no4sn]

@@JohnathanJWells well….. except for the grot leading my Ork Nobs and Kommandos lol.

[@matthewybarra101]

So I agree with the scouting phase, pointless phase usually seen skipped in alot of battle reports and in my play group, movement I feel like its fine other then charging should be after shooting like in 40k, so close combat armies have more of a chance to get into the thick of it other then advancing and doing nothing but dying. Now I do believe morale is something that needs to be looked at but armies like space marines are currently really bad at kill team, other armies can have more shooting more units and be much cheaper, armies like space marines that dont flee have a better chance of being around against double the number of models your opponents bring. It would be cool to see specialty boxes and units for kill team like what warcry for AoS has, but that's for uniqueness of mechanics not because this is the best models. I feel how playing with the current models in killteam make it more beginner friendly because I can just by a box of chaos space marines or gaurd or whatever for like 50 bucks and build a kill team out of it and play with friends or players at my local store and theyll play about as good as any other army. It only comes good or bad models when you start to play more competitively or go to tournaments, but like in normal 40k tournament list are always wallet killers

[@willc6451]

In my homebrew version of Kill Team (Will Team) I tried to make morale more equally felt by all factions by making overkill damage on slain models effect the morale of nearby friendlies e.g. stinkbrother Repulsivich rolls a 6 on the damage for his plague cleaver against brother Testicules = initiate Shitimslef has a -5 penalty on his nerve test.

[@JezielProdigalSon]

X-Wing is such a good game. Everytime i look at my shelf, im thinking i should get it on the table more often.

[@RodgerMcDodger]

2nd edition upgrade boiiiiiii

[@EmptyBowlsRBroken]

I really want some new good servitors, like as different and fun as the poxwalkers are.

[@gehngiscorn7391]

Jay, could you give a tour of your KZbin set up? Mainly that back ground I just don’t understand it.

[@relink555]

Looks like movement is going to be part of an activation now like in Legion, and there won't be a specific movement phase

[@jktyler4809]

3 fixes that need to happen in exploding kittens

[@EonsOfBattle]

more kittens more explosions some milk for the kittens

[@lostit462]

Try plastic glue instead of superglue. Will hold the model to the stand much better.

[@TheSixthWorld]

"I painted a lot but you have to wait to see it!" Tease...

[@oblivionfan345Tony]

Octavius is gonna get me into Kill Team, i love Kriegers, I love Kommado's, and my brother might actually play with me since he wont need to make an entire army lol

[@johnmascardo7047]

My son have been asking for UNO, so now I've bought him Exploding Kittens. Cheers.

[@majortom7186]

"Moving is the most important thing and you don't get to do much of it in Kill Team," :Looks at Asuryani, Drukhari and Harlequin tactics: Not sure if true... :-)

[@renjiirvin561]

Hey Ian I don't know how to play X-Wing can you do a video about it or like a Let's Play

[@NightfallTH]

I don't like you and your channel, but GHD has said I need to come here and leave you a like and a comment to keep on going.

[@KabinMiniatures]

I love Exploding Kittens! You can really play it with anyone, be they borard game geeks or not.

[@supremetarantulasorcerer165]

Oh man,exploding kittens

[@Nemesis278]

If I wanted to start playing X-Wing (and it would be up to me to get 2 armies, rules etc.), could you recommend any boxes/sets (probably the 2nd edition starter set) or how 2 balanced midsized armies could look like? ("midsized" for me is an 750-1000 point army in 40k)

[@EonsOfBattle]

X wing is very different to 40k, you don't build an army, you list build for each game. typicaly a game will have 3-4 ships per side and everything is prety well balanced so you can go with watever ships look cool. I would suggest the second edition starter set then maybe a second x wing or y wing, then for the empire a tie interceptor or tie advanced.

[@evileyeball]

We own both the NSFW Exploding kittens and the regular one, we haven't used the regular one the NSFW one is so much better IMHO

[@skambim]

the storm speeder stand ain't bad

[@Crobisaur]

I would honestly love a killteam of mandrakes or at least rules for them and the ghost eldar warriors from FW.

[@bageldrone]

nope youre wrong, x-wing 2.0 has had many FAQ and PDFs that have changed cards and rules. most are minor alterations but some are quite substantial like tractor tokens and gas clouds

[@jdeltaalpha5195]

Squats kill team! Also can't support stuff by The Oatmeal, so I'll pass on Exploding Kittens.

[@fraterkaos7988]

Do you know the card game - Gloom? Its a riot!

[@franciscodelreal3207]

I like my models stirred not shaken.

[@smithjack1741]

Well I guess I'm sold on exploding kittens

[@flindude2681]

The application with rules makes me think of ideas of how warhammer rules should work which is immediately what eons and everyone else in comments is thinking. though it would kill all the sales they get for the new edition codexes and white dwarf faqs 500 minatures (exaderation whatever), that drove me to want to check out what they have and geting a que just for accessing website.

[@jimsabo1189]

Noise marines and Horne berserkers. Nuff said

[@Tom-vo5uj]

I just realised that we never ever played the morale phase with my friends lmao

[@AviTheFire]

also fun how exploding kittens has a nsfw edition, fits so well

[@tenebras]

yo am up early hells yeah

[@Mrhonder2010]

Jay did you see the tease from GW for something Black Templar coming

[@ExCAlister]

I’m surprised you didn’t mention Black Templars potential supplement.

[@Slyfoxminis]

I hate being “that guy” but the word corp is pronounced like core

[@tabletactics4578]

The models’ nerves get shaken.

[@hunterofajax1963]

Alpha legion infiltrators would be fun

[@chunkycornbread4773]

if your not suppose to play the same named pilots in xwing thats news to me lol.

[@StumpedIDIT]

So basically: Fix the phases

[@bryngoldsmith1848]

I love how they’ve already said you don’t have to use the shapes

[@mr.miniaturesmodels8465]

6:26 Normies be like,” Did he just say that?”

[@thisfool89]

Cant you and your friends just choose to skip the scouting phase?

[@Havran228]

Second video since I posted in EOB complete and nothing. How does that work?

[@elpequenocultista]

it could be like an underworld rework, with miniatures only for kill team, i would like that instead of buying an entire army

[@jeanbarque9918]

Yeah kill team 3rd edition. First was with 7th edition, second with the 8th and now we have the 3rd. Which one doesnt counts for you ? The 1st ?

[@____________838]

I keep wondering why GW refers to this one as Killteam 2…

[@EonsOfBattle]

well, the FIRST kill team would have been Shadow War: Armageddon in 2016 or 17? there was also a kill team in 2004, but that won was pretty different. I think the second edition is talking about the second version of THIS new version of kill team.

[@jeanbarque9918]

@@EonsOfBattle I dont remeber the dates but the first was called kill team, the box was white withe black and red and had a sm squad and a tau squad. Then a second came with that orange and all these box with teams and terrain and now this, as a 3rd.

[@EonsOfBattle]

@@jeanbarque9918 OH YAH! that was even before shadow wars armageddon, it came with the 7th edition rulebook and a tiny pamphlet of how the kill team rules worked. I think it did really poorly it didn't even last a year.

[@mayofrench5170]

Don't forget the proto Kill Team rules in the 4th edition 40k rule book. The soon to be released Kill Team is the 2nd all in one box doesn't depend on codices from 40k version. Or maybe the Orange and Black branding is the distinction...

[@benjamincampbell7241]

We used the scouting phase once. We just ignore it.

[@romangl9070]

i can't believe you haven't mentioned black templars announcement

[@NoPe-no4sn]

I’d say the best thing about the new defcoptas is they are plastic

[@____________838]

And available

[@joshuareddinger7555]

People love to say kill team is a good game but it just isn't. All these problems are true plus killing a model takes so long. It's like they were afraid to let the game be short. It would be cool to be able to play a game in ten minutes and go best of 3. For those times when you can't or don't want to spend the time on a full game of 40k.

[@EonsOfBattle]

10 minutes is really short, I don't know if there is time for an army game in that. GW did make a game called lost patrol that is really quick to play.

[@joshuareddinger7555]

@@EonsOfBattle well that sounds interesting. Maybe ten minutes was a hyperbole but kill team, to me, tended to feel like "eonsofbattle" where no models die and not much happens. Maybe it's the wound/injury system I just don't like lol

[@jmaccsarmiesofArda]

Something like the patrol phase in Chain of Command?

[@burnttoast2207]

when are u doing space troopers?

[@NoPe-no4sn]

You could field 9 B pirates in Xwing