HONKAI: STAR RAIL 2.3, WuWa vs ZZZ & More!!! [Gacha Mates Podcast Ep8]

[@VolkinYT]

Recorded this one a few days ago for time reference Go show Smack some love! - www.youtube.com/@GachaSmack07

[@rikkucrowe]

If you still play pgr I would recommend you try it with controller on PC it feels much smoother then keyboard

[@legendaryswordsman653]

I'm also going for E2 firefly and maybe light cone but I want to get the foxian dude in 2.4 for more efficient Acheron stacks plus Gallagher will probably be switched to my firefly team so I'll need a proper healer. I like how we have a long arc in loufu coming up rather than multiple weak patches such as what genshin did 4.3 to now.

[@jeremy6491]

You guys should add timestamps like other podcasts

[@LM-nb7rj]

THIS ^

[@Kingamer521]

100%

[@RaySolus]

Just become a timestamp guy then lol

[@ASalad]

Replying to the echo discussion around ten minutes in: Biggest problem with the echo farming imo is that it's a total waste of time if you aren't getting what you need. You get bad relics in HSR or Genshin? They are exp fodder, and after four years of playing Genshin I've never stopped needing artifact exp. You're **always** progressing whether the piece is good or not. In WuWa you spend 5 hours farming echoes and don't get any usable pieces? You straight up wasted 5 hours with no progression to show for it. Worse: You are actually at a loss, because you are at a net-loss of exp resources, so it feels like you were in a better spot before farming those 5 hours.

[@blanc1720]

This exactly. Feels bad farming 2 hours for crit rate then get bad stats on subs. Dont got the time to farm 8hours everyday and exp is limited

[@sierr1302]

Never thought of it this way. Good point

[@MsDragonballz]

they should at least make those echo u farm can be exp too,u cant even lvl those echo u farm cause no more exp for it.

[@adrenalmoon787]

Tacet fields are the comparison to domains in hsr/genshin. Stamina for echos and exp (yeah the amount sucks hopefully the 1.1 buff is substantial). Clearing the map for echos is just the mint picking of this game.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

you do realize you can salvage bad ones to get extra rolls at good ones

[@ahabsnew3926]

This was the first podcast I decided to watch of both of you and it was so much enjoyable. I will watch the next one for sure. GL on your firefly pulls!

[@wqi09]

I'm at the 4th phase, *Boring Phase* : _(take it in mind, that I play on phone and it still gets pretty laggy at some occasion)_ 1. I'm done Lv.70 all my wanted chars 2. I'm done maxing the needed traces 3. I'm done maxing DB for better drops 4. I'm done collecting the right echoes 5. I'm done maxing the needed echoes 6. I'm done with UL45 for free weapon 7. I'm done exploring 70% overworld 8. I'd enough of ToA, not finishing Hazard 9. I'd enough of Illusing Realm, no urgency 10. I'd enough of Hologram, no urgency 11. I finish all main story & side quest Now what I must do everyday, login but: - I can't do auto to defeat Exiles/Tacet - I can't do auto for Overlord/Calamity - I must teleport for fvcking crafting - I must teleport for fvcking cooking - I must teleport for fvcking synthesis - I'm forced to spend stamina on Tacet - I'm forced to spend stamina on Forgery - I need to do a "non existence" event The longer it is, I got less things to enjoy. It gets annoyed for repeating it everyday. In other game, I can do auto/skip eventho it's repetitive but this game couldn't. I also hate the event, give us more dynamic and combat oriented event that makes us have things to do either short or longer periode (15 min/7 days, 2 hours/1 day). Not overdash bullshit and collecting stuff. It gets boring too quickly with all the daily stuff and when you grind but not getting the expecting result or practically nothing. I hope I've better experience in 1.1 *I'm still waiting for Changli though*

[@clarinet800149]

The teleporting to do cooking, synthesis and such is such a killer just because HSR just lets you do it from the menu. That needs to change on WuWa soon

[@OpticF3ARNGT]

Congrats on "beating" the game! Maybe should have played slower if you wanted to enjoy it longer? Or just wait for more updates as all gacha are live service

[@thomassencindiver]

I disagree. I actually prefer teleporting around to do those things. They make you travel the world. If you didn't then you might a well just play a game only from menu in the end, why even have an open world? Makes zero sense. And if you're out of content, that's on you, not the game. Or like anyone else who completed everything, go in, do your daily, spend your energy then log out and do something else. Or worst case scenario, quit the game if it doesn't satisfy your need to be able to play 24/7

[@nottyseel949]

@@thomassencindiver Both options are better than forcing everyone to think one way. If you like teleporting around, you always can. It's healthier for the game not to exclude those who like using the menu and have day jobs where wasting time "strolling through pretty scenery" is literally being a bad parent or spouse.

[@nottyseel949]

@@OpticF3ARNGT Agreed, congrats to OP. But that wasn't the point of their comment that they wanted to play longer. They are saying that the daily content after beating the game, which is just repetition, should be faster. I agree. I'm sure Kuro will do this though because they were amazing at it with PGR. Almost everything that you beat once can then be skipped. That's a much better system than trying to force immersion and activity time.

[@nickh4354]

Volkin is severely underestimating how much the 5 and 6 hologram fights are learning the patterns and mechanics instead of facetank dps race

[@rogerflores422]

For real lol watching this video after looking the Smack stream were he only won like 2-3 times in a 6h session its like bruh xD

[@Coffin_House]

a very enjoyable episode. can't wait to see the other half :D

[@jackmanleblanc2518]

I feel insane. I like the pink haired foxian man's design. I really don't get why people hate it so much.

[@hachiman205]

i like it too, i think its just that since 2.0 there have been back to back hype units, first swan then anni acheron and now firefly so a random character we know nothing about is not well recieved

[@THEM0J0MAN]

First of all he's a guy Second of all he's just a smiling dude in a suit like outfit Plus cat ears We know nothing about him He doesn't have a unique aesthetic like boothill's cowboy stuff He's just fine

[@onlyMGB]

I love the back & forth between u guys, it’s the perfect amount of camaraderie + healthy disagreement = great homie discussion AKA perfect podcast balance. 2 different perspectives but same energy love watching 2 chads shine together love u guys 💙💙💙

[@prestonleebenjamin]

lovin this content, very chill and relaxing to listen to; keep up the good stuff!!

[@188Karma]

Mtashed after 1 week of WuWa: I've done my tierlist video for this game .. What do i do now? ..

[@Gnurkstudios]

Holy that Mtashed imitation was fire from Smack 😂🔥🔥

[@kaikawasumi]

You absolutely CANNOT just spam left click in Zenless Zone Zero. It's entire dmg system is focused on team synergy & parrying/countering. If you're not countering/EX countering you WILL not have enough dmg without maybe whaling heavily. Edit: That can only be a take from not playing CBT3 aka what we're probably getting at launch. It's not the hardest game out there, but it's not Genshin, and I say that as day 1 Genshin player who still enjoys the Genshin experience massively.

[@Yoyo-sy5kl]

Tencent bought 14% like they do with most games. They dont invest in games unless they are majority owners. This is the profile they do for most games. Hence, I think Volkin's assessment has some validity to it.

[@mundo9638]

There is not another duo like you in the gacha space that I find both hilarious and with W takes. Different perspectives yet both reasonable. You make our days everytime one of those podcasts drops. TLDR: W

[@kappamaster7179]

there's no way PGR didn't pay off, it's the game that made them who they are. It started as a cheap copy of HI3rd but eventually grew and became a better game at least for its target audience, and on global they ended up having a way more active community than HI3rd before wave of genshin players revived HI3rd.

[@nickh4354]

Yep. I'm a simp for PGR. It balances the line between edgy / anime / post apocalyptic, and just delivers a fucking cool universe with an INCREDIBLE story..... albeit it takes about 9 chapters to get to the unforgettable parts. That game won my heart with its entire presentation and I'm hoping they build wuwa up to the same standard

[@dragonngc]

For me hi3 is better than pgr

[@MaRuU_0]

​@@dragonngcthat your opinion...you can't tell that to the majority

[@dragonngc]

@@MaRuU_0 yeah i spoke about my opinion cause i find pgr boring and theyre style for skills annoys me thats all

[@zealgaming8161]

@@dragonngc The combat in PGR is not that amazing, it's worse then WuWa and enemies animations are sorta difficult to see. But the game has and banger story with incredible music and absurdly good character development. I'm mostly enjoying the story, even if the game had zero game play whatsoever and was just a visual novel, it's a great visual novel to read. I started playing PGR, 2 months ago. And still honeymooning the hell out of it and are around 40% done with the story in what feels like a solid hundred+ hours so far of just reading a story that competes with the best fantasy/sci-fi books I've ever read. It's such a good feeling to finally have a game to play that caters to my interests. PGR for me is easily the best gacha I have ever played since I started playing them in 2014 and it's much better then WuWa in many ways. WuWa music and story are bad, hopefully it will get good down the line, but for me both are very important.

[@sagebrecht4765]

Xianzhou does have the CN bias. So we're probably seeing that at least 1 patch every version. Similar to how Genshin keeps on going back to Liyue for lantern rite every year.

[@kNoa7]

Staycation was the word you were looking for, Smack!

[@josedelatorre2675]

I think one solution to the artifact system is to have seal tubes be dropped in the overworld but just make them be either blue or purple (with blue having a higher chance of dropping and only drop for common enemies while purples have a lower chance and are reserved for elites). Additionally, allow the players to receive exp material from the data bank reroller (this can also be rng and drop either 1 gold tube or 10 gold tuners) and have it scaled to a players data bank. Bosses being so expensive should also drop tuners since they drop sealed tubes, at sol level 5 they can drop 10 tuners with 1 gold and 3 purple tubes. This will fit nicely with buffing the tacet fields, making them a better option over a jack of all trades like the bosses. Have tacet fields give 4 gold tubes and 7 purples (the minimum) with 30 tuners at sol5. The current survey even we have is great for casuals as it gives a lot of echo xp, 2 echo selectors, but I feel it should give out more tuners as well. It can be completed quickly in at the same time with your dailies. Finally, I think a general set of rewards should be given for those who complete each stage of tower of adversity (like xp, echo xp, tuners, weapon xp, and a few artifacts that can either be gold or purple. These rewards are different as you simply need to clear the stage, the rewards for a certain number of stars should still be kept. Finally, kuro should add selectable echoes to the tower of adversity (1 for clearing the first 2 stages, and 1 for clearing the hardest stage). I think if Kuro implements some of these ideas, echo xp can become less of an inconvenience

[@irem7651]

42:36 volk is so funny I swear 😂

[@dingus4288]

Funny enough, there is a souls/sekiro like gatcha game being cooked up called Unending Dawn. Would love to hear your guys talk about that.

[@zengceng]

mum turning the heater on after dad leaves 100% 😂

[@hisdudeness690]

LoL! that was so relatable.

[@DarrenWong1990]

i think there might be a soul like gacha game in the future, but it won't be successful at least in the Asia countries or at least in China since I am Chinese, because the main audience (the group of people that has the power to purchase) prefer more casual playstyle unless they are streamer or hardcore players themselves, they probably only have 1-2 hour free time (or less) to spend to play the game, so they would want to have some relax shit to play.

[@gintobitim1611]

true.. most of gacha revenue comes from casual whales. no one wants to pay-2-lose drop $2k to max a character and then get one-shot by a boss afterall lol.

[@ZonzaAce]

It's gonna be a fun couple weeks indeed Firefly into Elden Ring DLC into Jinhsi and just got Noctis in PGR so I'm chilling and gaming

[@Killua656]

Also about the 1.1 release dodging ZZZ, the patch updates would have been on the same day every 6 weeks, if ZZZ also has a 6 week patch cycle. So moving it 1 week earlier also means they will have their patches 1 week earlier than ZZZ every time

[@Tresskzilla]

34:40 uh.. you mean like they did with Elden Ring, one of the most successful souls games on the market? Elden Ring is the most casual game in the entire series. You can literally just fuck around in the map and farm souls and items if you ever struggle with a boss and just come back when you're stronger or just summon people or use the mimic summon and beat the bosses that way and thats not even counting how overpowered magic builds are in the game

[@poggersbks1e341]

I don't know why people are complaining about the gear system in wuwa when some of the creators want to farm endless gears on hsr and GI now that wuwa offers that now it's not good xD

[@amari7782]

It’s more of the fact that no one necessarily has a problem with actually getting echos it’s more so leveling that’s the issue I just reached union 44 and it’s impossible to get a constant flow of exp without hoarding it or killing off shitting invested echos. Tuners aren’t much of an issue but the definitely can be worked on since once u get 5 star echos all other tuners are useless. What people want now is more ways to farm exp and more control over the system instead of it being a ton of rng

[@Kama-nj7wy]

biggest negative of this game is the Echo leveling system ... there's just not enough Sealed Tubes, plus the Tacet Fields consume 60 waveplates and don't give enough either.. Echo XP needs a rework.

[@zap7737]

Nah, its fine.

[@arifasatria7704]

​@@zap7737but its not

[@mnopinion]

What gachasmack is describing is unending dawn. A soulslike gacha game… idk if it will work, but i definitely want to try it

[@TheUbberman]

Honestly the line: 'The guy that defends shit takes with calling himself based' was such a marvel of friendly banter. A+

[@irem7651]

soul type gacha would be ruined by power creep imo, unless what you are buying is cosmetics or something like that, but then would that be profitable, also will that company survive in this gacha market to make the 3rd game while being niche, today investors rarely take risks, this is a really interesting conversation

[@Yoru-desu13]

54:14 Recommended pull order according to Sweetily: Ruan Mei > Firefly > FF E1 > FF E2 > Ruan Mei E1/S1 > FF S1 The LC does not provide more power compared to the things above it

[@JoeyDubsJR]

Smack is a busy man! Much respect to ya'll!

[@nikson0425]

I didn't grind. I dont want to play gacha for 8 hours for nothing. Agreed with Volkin, i played 5min a day and logged out, too.

[@Assassin21BEKA]

17:37 mtashed just was making video during his stream partially about it. He gives good amount of good points, but at some point talks about us reaching the point when we have nothing to do, but dailies. And he was really frustrated that people didn't have that much problem with it.

[@nullmore_]

Always love when volk trsshtalk smack about starting the podcast. Always waitin this episode.

[@twovillages7168]

Thanks for separating the drama stuff. I'm like Vulk and completely checked out of the drama stuff (so sick of the drama).

[@KB1444]

There should definitely be a dungeon system to make the echo farming to make it more entertaining

[@korinokirin4511]

Gachasmack has cool best friend energy

[@tactaillike]

Really hope we see a steady stream of new bosses (like new hologram or two) with each big WuWa patch, that would be awesome

[@megtrix3647]

5:54 "when i was a kid we never had ACoRN" -volkin2024 hahahaha jk bro love you hahaha🎉

[@NameNotAChannel]

With the optimization for Wuwa, it's good that it's not TOO punishing right now. I can also see them changing how the game plays with releasing new characters... some can be catered to casuals, like Jiyan, while others are aimed more at boss fight precision. People can choose how hardcore they're willing to go, by choosing characters that don't make the game too easy. The problem with hardcore difficulty in a gacha game, will be addressing the "power creep" that will end up nullifying the characters that people get skilled at using. (Also, I HATE timers on battles... Wuwa is leaning into that heavily, similarly to Genshin... and that annoys me.)

[@thornszk]

I was surprised when I saw timers during streams.

[@MrAlphaEsquire]

Volk: Imagine if Sam kills or breaks a character then you get another turn Sam: OK, you got me ✋️😬🤚

[@Jackal43]

TVs have been reduced only to story mode and even there they are very less now, so yeah

[@kaiipop4762]

The goated podcast is back 🥳🥳

[@neroangelo7798]

The problem with having dark souls like difficult gacha game is systems and bosses in games like elden ring are one time thing, people were complaining having to fight godskin duo 3-4 times. Imagine having to fight them everyday. Gacha games require replay ability for even casuals everyday(well atleast at a launch of each patch).

[@Fr1sen0]

You get your gear and suddenly youre drowning in evo mats, as always.

[@ZDB]

Kingdom Hearts mentioned! Gacha Smack really just like the same stuff as me crazy

[@liquid_cheese9930]

40:02 that's WuWa, no? There will never be a gacha game where content will be 100% hardcore, but some elements, sure. I think holograms in WuWa are souls like enough. Even if you have enough DPS you still need to survive in a fight against Mephis 6 for example for 2 - 3 min and I will bet that majority of people playing won't be able to pull it off

[@DeathWing572]

Idk if I can keep up with three games 😅 something gotta give.. question is which one 🤔

[@Zam0raGames]

ZZZ gonna have to be amazing for me to drop or play all 3 ngl

[@Starongie]

ye - WW is gonna give for me so I can fully immerse myself in HSR, ZZZ, and maintain Genshin

[@xStealthPigeon]

ZZZ combat looks snoozer prob give it a week. Genshin is a mid game but I sunk to much time to really fully quit fully. Wuwa has the best combat and exploration but story is a meme and it's still new so not much to do. HSR is still the best.

[@thornszk]

Wuwa has potential. It really just came out unrefined like the echo system and the camera lock making your character moonwalk. Probably in a year, it will be good. I also played GI on 1st year but was not feeling it. Reinstalled during Sumeru and still playing it to this day.

[@pravum3150]

Already dropped Genshin and HSR is on a tight rope. I'm not even gonna touch ZZZ, I've already played PGR, HI3 and Aether Gazer, not looking to play another reskin.

[@PyrusnVentus]

So something that they could do to keep combat engaging despite outscaling it is doing something like contingency contracts from Arknights. Put modifiers on holograms that make them harder and harder until they become batshit insane. And it wouldn't be just damage resistance or nerfs to your characters, you could add mines or random lasers and other additional mechanics to the fight. Put a scoring system and give a good enough participation reward for the 99% of players who won't try too hard. That's my pitch for a hardcore combat event or even permanent mode for WW.

[@zap7737]

Theyre not taking anything from a tower defense game. But theres definitely stuff they will bring over from PGR. People just gotta let em cook. we arent even at 1.1 lmao

[@amari7782]

@@zap7737to be fair genshin literally did something similar years back with some of their big combat events so it’s not a TD exclusive thing But you’re right on just letting them cook

[@subhajitdas6537]

HSR : my plan is to get firefly, ruan mei and her lightcon, I have 36k+ jades, saving for another character who is coming a wind hunt (introduced in the dev live stream)

[@Nygon08]

i would like to mention there is a souls like gacha in the works right now called unending dawn

[@JustPassingBy00]

2days ago i sent some suggestions to the devs through feedback in-game. 1. let the players use the useless echoes as xp materials 2. let the players upgrade the lower rank Tuners to become Premium Tuners. 3. a percentage rate that a Sealed Tubes will drop from farming echoes. Some Adam guy replied to my message and said that he will give my suggestion to the devs. I hope these will be implemented. PS. please send them some suggestion like this for the devs to know that many of us want these changes.

[@Bakstabbah]

Tacet fields should be only for tuners and echo exp by feeding echo to echo.

[@amari7782]

@@Bakstabbahthen how do u get echos then?

[@Bakstabbah]

@@amari7782 Farm echoes the normal way and allow us to use them as exp material. That way we can always level up echoes BUT all the sub stats would be ofc locked. For that we would have to farm tacet fields for tuners.

[@amari7782]

@@Bakstabbah honestly that just sounds like a bigger waste of time in the long term since having tacet fields Makes sense for them to farm echos cuz lore wise that’s where they come from plus it makes getting wat you want on set much easier If anything I’d say just buff the overall number of exp tubes and slightly buff tuners. I’m union 44 and I’m sitting in 509-600 tuners at a time but next to no exp.

[@mugen1119]

good discussions, enjoyed the podcast

[@tommyska8082]

Another gacha mates podcast let's gooooooo

[@hermeZZZZ]

17:38 accurate asf with that Mtashed mimmick 💀

[@1rjbender]

I continue to think that if they could take Star Rail's voice acting and music and bring that into WuWa then you'd have one of the best gacha games ever.

[@spursamn]

I lost my 50/50 on Boothill on my alt (that I play more than my main...). I believe it was a blessing in disguise because now I am at 52 built pity, with 20 pulls saved (obviously will have more by 2.3's release), and a guaranteed Firefly on the pulls. I do regret the 52 built pity since Gallagher is on the next banner and I have him E0, but that just means I am pulling for Firefly E1 with whatever pulls I get, in hopes of more Gallagher Eidolons.

[@Abe-eh4zi]

Kuro games showing the world how OP action value advance is✨

[@nickh4354]

They farmed their speed boots for 1.1

[@niravtandel8812]

I share pretty much the same sentiment as volkin. Grinded all the Fusion and Electro echos the first week and a half and got burned out. I do have a few on set dmg bonuses so I've stopped overworld farming. I wish there were more phantoms and I wish they were rarer. I've ran into a phantom in the overworld almost a dozen times.

[@notpuppet1934]

i try playing wuwa on phone but im not a phone player and it sucks because gameplay looks fun, thats why ill play ZZZ but if Wuwa gets a console release then ill play it. HSR on mobile is ok tho, i can always pit that shit on Auto.

[@recalibrate881]

would we be able to grab this on spotify at some point? I enjoy these types of podcasts from other gaming communities and having it on spotify allows me to listen while commuting from and to work. Otherwise love the content as always!

[@Citroen_CX_Safari]

12:20 I have 13 aero herons for 1 electro on electro heron that I got just fucking yesterday 💀

[@dragonngc]

The problem with a very diffecult content every where is farming imagine farming milenia 150 time to upgrade your weapon to max or get a weapon with good stats or sub stats

[@zap7737]

thats why you separate it from overworld, like Wuwa already does.

[@dragonngc]

@@zap7737 yeah this was a response for smack where he said to go for darksouls style u cant have darksouls bosses with farming

[@kyseuk]

Really love this Volk"N"Smack podcast

[@ulrikruby]

59:53 As a F2P with an E2S1 Imbibitor Lunae, he absolutely destroys literally every part of this game. He is certainly much stronger than E0S1 Acheron (even when the pure fiction is made for her).

[@nottyseel949]

Yall have the best dynamic.

[@nightcrawler5666]

I agreed from the perspective casual gaming gacha like HSR and Honkai Impact 3rd..When I working all days from 8 am to 5 pm,I don't have time to farming like echo in Wuwa or artifact in Genshin..Hoping ZZZ also casual so I can enjoy gaming..

[@kaikawasumi]

Combat is a little less casual than Genshin/HSR. But, you can just wait to retry something challenging in your down time. Also, doing "worse" is just less rewards, not failing the level. Also, story content is more casual than the other challenging content (there were several things I played in CBT3 that might all be endgame stuff that gets updated frequently like SU in HSR).

[@nightcrawler5666]

@@kaikawasumi thanks for the info from your experience in CBT 3..I like challenging games,but not in the gacha games 😅 Gacha games sometimes you need meta characters and skill..But for the most part I love the storyline of how the games develop and make I stick in the journey..HoYo always especially Honkai make a good storyline 🥰 Maybe after ZZZ release,I will stop Wuwa and try ZZZ storyline..Wuwa story makes me excited in Jiyan part at the last and the side quest..

[@kaikawasumi]

@@nightcrawler5666 The challenge comes in countering/parrying, & strangely enough in some of the puzzles (not too many harder rhythm/dodge quickly ones though). ZZZ has a STRONG buff from having characters of the same faction/element. So you will want to find who you like & get their coworkers/friends/or a same element character with synergy. Simply picking your favs only could have big dmg loss. But as usual Hoyo does focus on story. There was one big emotional Hoyo moment in a character quest in CBT3 so I have faith in ZZZ's story longterm.

[@Brightnight1]

I love these vids so entertaining 🔥

[@tangerine569]

Gacha Souls? 37:22 I've never seen anyone even mention this upcoming game ''Unending Dawn'' and it's looking intriguing if anything. They put out another gameplay video you can look up, I honestly am looking forward to the experience

[@bluewiz0090]

Something i think Kuro NEEDS to add is more shinys with a different mechanic so we can explore more ways to play the characters, it feels like a waste of potential to not give them a special meaning more so when grinding echoes is a chore after a while.

[@skyzell5029]

28:16 Bro really say Based on himself LMAO

[@hachiman205]

"the guy who defends shit takes by calling them based" oh hell nah volkin done summarizing smacks channel

[@KniveMikoto]

They should remove the timer on Hologram. Time attack should be reserved to Tower.

[@sfarmertoo]

I love how stoned volkin is

[@FishboyAbzu]

To me echo farming scratches that endless mmo grind itch. It's something I can do every day for hours and feel like I'm at least doing something unlike in Genshin where its just endlessly farming materials or mint picking.

[@zap7737]

facts

[@reedsad4652]

you hypocrite its like killing overworld in any other open world wdym? and its not even hard you can 1 shot combo then pick mints, I mean echo

[@FishboyAbzu]

@@reedsad4652 What are you talking about? Echoes are actual equipment with rng stats that can be upgrades. Not random mints and materials.

[@zap7737]

@@reedsad4652 what? Lmao

[@hitsunataraki2587]

​@@FishboyAbzucan all your echo upgraded have stats like in genshin?

[@statesminds]

So disappointed with the new acheron support. I hope his personality and animations are killer bc the design aint it. And sucks i was looking forward to him bc of his kit and i have every nihility

[@poetlawyer6800]

I think it's simple, gacha games are about making money, casual gameplay and casual fans make more money for these games. These companies are always going to choose money over anything. I really do think it's that simple, too many people try to overcomplicate this.

[@BroJhong]

After playing wuwa. I keep searching for skip button

[@rosalynvt]

Yesssss🎉🎉🎉🎉. Was so happy for this podcast. Thank you guys. Awesome work

[@omgjlmiub]

I want to invest in DHIL e2 so bad, but it's such a steep cost.

[@Jett125]

"We never had air con!" Every British person 🧐

[@itsmelolxd335]

Smack is back lesagoooo!!!

[@JoeyDubsJR]

I'm listening to Violin speak and I get he likes pvp but on same foot he says he doesn't like min maxing rotations. Honkai Impact 3rd had a boss rush like time trial mode which had leaderboards that was kinda pvp but I personally hated it. It was cheesy where u had to have best characters and gear and there was a rotation you can copy from people on KZbin to do well. I will say there were some that made f2p versions but it was tougher most the time and you'd barely get in the top 20% if good. I also feel Honkai Impact 3rd went more pay2win after a few years like 2-3. But that's my opinion of it after dropping it near 1000days back in the day near global launch. Main point: I think WuWa if they implemented pvp would be like this and ppl might hate it & volkin might get pvp but the strict rotation part he doesn't enjoy might be annoying in a boss rush time trial mode with leaderboards to be competitive is why I compare it to Honkai Impact 3rd.

[@Echo-AAAA]

They need to fix that cost 3 echo its so bs they should limit the roll on what set it will roll ex. Havoc dreadmane is for havoc set and fusion set so it should roll on those two instead of 9 different sets.

[@zap7737]

nah, its fine. And itll get better as time goes on. plus we literally get selectors left and right.

[@AnimeRPGgame]

that was a great episode

[@MrBud85]

Plazookas is crazy

[@ExcessumGaming]

FYI people did All Hologram and other bosses at lv 60. Ofc they where insanely skilled. So if you want your dopamine rush go for it :D

[@termina2737]

You know what’s not amazing - trying to explore the game while playing only on mobile. It does not feel great to not have access to a controller. I can’t wait for Backbone support for iPhone and the PS5 release.

[@nottyseel949]

26:52 Tencent having 33% and Tencent publishing are different, aren't they? The more you go to Tencent the more you have to listen to them as that 33% keeps getting toward majority stake. It seems like two options still remain: Kuro wants another option that allows them to maintain directive control which could be compromised by going further in with Tencent, or even if Tencent is just an open wallet, they might be saying you have to show that people are interested in this in the first place before we delay again and certainly invest more. Both options seem at a minimum possible which would also lead to the launch getting pushed up, demonstrating its potential as it has, and the further development being given the go. I honestly think they have to know that WuWa had a better chance to coffin ZZZ AFTER its release, rather than letting ZZZ be the fresh thing right when people are entering the worst part of the WuWa experience. A week is long enough for people to clear patch 1.1. No doubt. Especially since people have been grinding for a month. Genshin patches never last more than a week even when they try to gate content. So, ZZZ, which would have looked much worse if WuWa showed up after (especially with the polish that it could have generated in that time with a boost from Tencent) and people probably would have been saying the same thing about ZZZ that they're saying about Genshin "playing ZZZ after WuWa feels like a step backwards." But now ZZZ has the chance to be the fresh thing when WuWa has been around just long enough to feel a bit stale to the people that love it. That's why I think the pushing up of WuWa was likely financially related (keeping Kuro as majority rather than Tencent) or just funding the development they had to know they needed considering the optimization issues. It does not seem like a good plan to let Hoyoverse be the final act of the night when you know they're going to nail the things you bonked (polish, optimization, flare, and marketing). So, I can't see it being an intentional plan. Launching before Natlan, sure, because going to Genshin from WuWa will always feel bad, lol. ZZZ even added an "echo system" just to react to WuWa, and has a much better chance to capitalize on WuWa being out of gas at that time. I'd love to hear response to this, because it's speculative on my part. Just how it looks to me, so I'd love to hear counterarguments, especially from GachaSmack since he directly disagreed with the take and I'm sure there's more sides than I'm aware of.

[@OvenMonkeyGaming]

once people stop trolling and farming echo/tuner dungeons tuners arent a problem im constantly over 1k tuners

[@skataneric]

100% on the tuners. When you get shit substat rolls you burn through them so quickly. I have tons of echo xp but no tuners. I basically log in and do the fields just for the tuners, pick a mob to farm(fuck farming everything I just pick one set 3 cost to go for), roll on some echos that end up trash, hit the dailies, then log out. But I know I sweat the game so I'm not crying there isn't content for me to do. I put enough hours to kill a couple single player games. Cuz the way I Iook at it is hours played. No company can keep up with sweaty players that demand endless replayability and 100s hours of content unless its a game with a simple competitive loop like a shooter/BR/sport/mmo with gear raids. So if you can get like 50 hours before you hit the wall you already got a good single player games worth of content.

[@PonasSausainis]

if Wuthering waves got pvp will be epic af

[@lucidare]

star rail is going to take those cash cuz firefly is e2 and ruan mei reliant

[@pokedude3221]

No hsr tournament for boothil? 😢

[@Killua656]

Dont think Souls Gacha would work, how can you make a fight challenging for a E6S5 Jiyan and a E0 Jiyan. The upgrade from dupes must be so small that both these can defeat the boss but then why would people spend money.

[@Ryujinjakaroth]

I agree with all gacha smack POV. Stop being critical from a game that is 3 weeks old wait for new update content.

[@ginoladioray7064]

that Tash impersonation is fire.

[@Jett125]

On wuwa game design I don't think they are fully trying to "beat" genshin. My theory is that they are trying to sweep up all the players that like genshin but are frustrated with it, just like myself. What's your thoughts? Agree? I also wonder if azur primilia is doing the same but targeting the other end of genshin? I like the dark and moody aesthetic but if you like bright and beautiful then primilia is good for that.