MORE Smash Characters I was Wrong About

[@HopCatSmash]

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[@ByoKora775]

I just play ultimate with my mates and I don’t have a main even after all the time that this game has been out for cuz I practically play every character so good with all master of none, so how bout Robin or Lucario

[@IndigoPilot]

You hella nailed the sponsorship, dude, i had a lot of fun watching, which is uncommon for a sponsorship

[@theknightwithabadpictotall7639]

Why do you have that body pillow 🤨

[@RushWheeler]

​@@theknightwithabadpictotall7639 Ask Zack

[@TheChildishYT]

It's ok hop, we all know that you got that pyra body pillow from Zach

[@yassin528]

I would love to see Hop‘s shulk actually becomes good and surprises the underdogs with it, especially a backslash kill 😂

[@cupcakemedia1143]

It would be great, though I'd hate to see the Underdogs reuse the Falco storyline Little Z had.

[@yassin528]

@@cupcakemedia1143 yeah that’s true I guess but wouldn’t it be funny if every underdog had their underdog story with one character? Z with Falco Jordan with fox hop with shulk idk what coggers would be. Just for the backslash I want to see it

[@anrandomlenna]

@@yassin528 well I Jordan did kinda go nuts in one of the recent video with fox didn't?Even if it was for a match he did start the redemption arc

[@hambughrr8186]

@@yassin528 It would be more than funny, it would be downright poetic! If I had to guess what Cogger's Underdog Story would be, it would probably be someone like Ryu

[@yassin528]

@@hambughrr8186 ryu is a very good shout since he tried to do the input for like 5 minutes straight or one of the dlc characters since he never plays them 😅😅

[@savage8315]

Eventually Hop is going to learn that smash bros and the characters in it are actually fun

[@shinobuoshinoisbestgirl5778]

Except mii gunner

[@matthewjones6786]

Right? I think every character has something cool or satisfying about them.

[@RushWheeler]

​@@shinobuoshinoisbestgirl5778 mii gunner is at least fun to watch, which is more than a lot of characters can say lmao

[@AbdulKamran-oi6bb]

@Rush Wheeler worst take possibly ever.

[@RushWheeler]

@@AbdulKamran-oi6bb Lucina is less fun to watch than Mii Gunner. Mr. Game and Watch is less fun to watch than Mii Gunner. Sonic is less fun to watch than Mii Gunner. Min-Min is less fun to watch than Mii Gunner Bayonetta is (usually) less fun to watch than Mii Gunner. Mega Man is less fun to watch than Mii Gunner.

[@babyrath8621]

The hopcat character arc is so real

[@rhys8981]

What if playing shulk actually does require a genius intellect, and you only found learning him easy because you're unknowingly a super-level genius

[@hubbleworks7872]

You and me both bro, if ur a shulk main, you have the highest intelligence over any person

[@HarryBook]

really fun series! you got some GOOD IDEAS in that head of yours keep em up hotcat!

[@mrstealyotrees630]

I genuinely like this mini-series of videos. It's so refreshing seeing you have an open mind to some characters that are usually dismissed as lame or boring. Also love how good the Underdogs sponsored segments are!

[@Conrad_the_renegade]

Glad to see Shulk getting some recognition and compliments here. He’s my main and Honeslty, he’s super fun. You can either do crazy art cancel shenanigans, or just mash aerials and win sometimes

[@hubbleworks7872]

Same bro, shulk prob one of the least played characters and one of the most underrated characters in ssb.

[@Gamemaster-jz8cl]

You should try out Luigi, he is so much more than just fishing for grab to do the zero to death. His combos are insane and also pretty easy to do. He is really fun when you play him at a higher level and don't only spam grab in neutral.

[@alexpower1134]

Absolutely agree. There is soooo much sauce you can hit as Luigi. My personal favourite is the down throw at 60 and spike off the floor, Nair, jump and up b as they bounce back up. Sickest shit ever

[@Unmustache1]

I like the luigi pfp with this comment I’m not saying you’re wrong, because luigi can be sick af, but I just think its kinda funny

[@Shmicah1235]

@@alexpower1134 My personal favorite is at around 50% on mid-weights. Down throw, dair, a second dair spiking them again into the ground, followed by a double jump up b. A little tricky to hit, and a tight percent window to kill, but so damn satisfying

[@alexpower1134]

@@Shmicah1235 that sounds sick dude! I've only ever hit one down air. I'll look more into this

[@elisevanbeethoven]

To be fair most players at a high level *do* just spam grab in neutral.

[@RoboSparkle]

Yay! As a Kirby main, it felt good to see you have fun with him. One thing I think you missed that is so silly - down tilt. It's super safe, and you get a 1/3 chance to trip with an almost guaranteed F-Smash follow-up that is reactable online. But that's forgetting his ultimate technique: DOWN. With one button press, you can invalidate way more moves than you really should be able to; for example, Warlock Punch, Captain Falcon's grab, Ryu's Focus (but not Ken's because *shrug*), loads of autopilot landing up-airs and so much more. I will reiterate that I think you can have fun with Zelda and that she doesn't have to be a special-spamming machine. One thing I tried that I really enjoyed was to ban the use of my B-Button unless at least one of us is off stage, and landing a dair into a fair strong hit is unbelievably satisfying!

[@Taraku43]

I never laughed more at Mii Gunner gameplay than your Sans Collage at the end, that shit was hilarious!!

[@RevelOnVR]

The Mii Gunner clip had me rolling at the end but I think Mii Gunner can be fun depending on the moveset you give it. For instance I have a full “movement build” that uses the psy magnet down-b and forward air to mix my options and add more creative flair.

[@shinobuoshinoisbestgirl5778]

You should try out Joker. He’s the only DLC character you’ve barely played, and he’s really fun.

[@jonrichmond3325]

Thanks to your last video, I now really enjoy playing Robin of all characters!

[@toadboy4]

Robin is quite fun to play

[@novagears3604]

Welcome to the cult, you are now stuck looking for characters that require resource management

[@toadboy4]

@@novagears3604 I do enjoy Robin but most of my fun playing Smash comes from either Corrin or Pyra/Mythra (mostly Mythra) So I guess I have to look for characters that have swords

[@JayoticMTG]

I love how 3:28 sounds like both a reassurance that Shulk is easy to learn but also a dig at the intelligence of Shulk main lol

[@alexaurorus9767]

Hi Hop! I’m really loving these videos, it’s a cool idea! I think you should give Joker a go. He gets a weird reputation because Leo uses him but I think he’s one of the most fun, stylish characters in the game- I feel better than I am whenever I play him. I think Alpharad once said of Joker/Arsene “he’s like Sheik with Ganon aerials”. (Plus that persona music do be groovy 👀)

[@stormrhys]

It feels like jokers the opposite of this kind of videos I love playing him but he’s pretty damn simple

[@Bousefff]

Blink twice if you're being held hostage

[@HopCatSmash]

the shulk mains are going to eat me

[@Bousefff]

@@HopCatSmash that's one way to blink twice

[@FiendishOne468]

Shulk was a character I initially didn't care for in Smash 4, but I ended up maining him in Ultimate after noticing the improvements they gave him and realizing how much fun it is to use the Monado Arts. I think giving Shulk a selection wheel for the arts helped a LOT. If not for that, I wouldn't enjoy playing as him nearly as much as I do now. Thanks for finally giving Shulk a chance! Also, 6:14 is the single greatest play of all time, lol

[@maxinea.sakaki4151]

He hits harder in 4 an his arts last longer

[@epicjrules24]

I want you to try Byleth tbh. They can be sooooo funny when they get shield breaks from their 15 shield breaking moves (Down B, Down Smash, etc). Not to mention the fact that they can kill at like 40 sometimes. There’s a reason why MKLeo uses them in tournaments. They’re so funny and good to play as. Additionally, the Up-B they have is ridiculous. It can combo from an Up Throw into: Side B, Back Air (True only if you fast-fall), Nair (Not true), Down Air, Up Air (if horrible DI), etc. I really think you should give them a go for a Part 3. I guarantee you’ll enjoy the experience, especially against heavies.

[@cadewatkin7086]

4:53 If you throw out an aerial after activating Jump art or press B once, you’ll be able to drift in the air again which makes it way more useful for recovering

[@matthiassorensen2575]

i would love you to try my main, but i think you already like and enjoy ridley

[@CommentPositionInformer]

Imagine the Underdogs having a Smashdown, Hop ends up playing Peach, or Shulk and he pops off. I find just the image of it hilarious.

[@RushWheeler]

I think you should try out mii swordfighter. They are basically at a middle ground between Mii Gunner who's gameplay is so stupid it ends up being hilarious, and Mii Brawler, who has a lot of specific tech and satisfying setups, which ends up making a surprisingly very fun character if you use the correct moveset.

[@charles-kt5ye]

Met you at an event in Perth once, you’re such a nick guy. It’s epic

[@golraggolnaz9575]

A character I would recommend that nobody plays is Villager. Not many people main him and it seems like everyone is average at them. I’m not even a main but every time I get him on random I just enjoy it especially with tree and bowling ball shenanigans.

[@fishsoup2675]

My character suggestion would be mewtwo, there are so many funny things you can do with down b and side b that I just think it would be a really cool character for you to try. That and cloud, because limit is just hilarious

[@golraggolnaz9575]

@@fishsoup2675 The thing about cloud is that everyone CAN play him bc he is pretty easy (compared to the characters usually included in these videos) also I don’t think they will have Mewtwo in the video because I’m pretty sure he’s already said that Mewtwo is cool to play while I think this series explores characters that are pretty unknown and said to be bad. I’m not disagreeing with the stuff about down b and side b having some whack interactions.

[@dockingwater1713]

Kirby has some of if not the best normals in the game. Great aerials, great Smash attacks, INCREDIBLE tilts. Highlights are probably Down Tilt with its stupid low profile potential, Forward Tilt with its deceptively strong kill power for its speed and how easily it sets up tech chases at lower percents, Forward Air for its decent range for a Kirby move, and Forward Smash simply because of how early it kills.

[@stormrhys]

They are really good except the range so he will almost never be in range to actually use the best parts of it

[@acee555]

"I feel rewarded for my thousands of hours in the game" gameplay of him only using spin in backround

[@matrefeytontias]

As an avid watcher of your videos and everyone in the Underdogs (and the Underdogs obviously), it's really cool to see the perspective change on a lot of these. I look forward to you referencing how "actually this character's alright" next time they come up on random in an Underdogs video haha

[@germanpogostick]

love the bit where hopcat goes "these videos take a lot of time" bc of how it sets up for the sans monstage. I'm so so sorry you have to spend so much time in the kicking puppies and kittens factory king, have my interaction, you deserve it

[@illialidur8244]

This was an awesome follow up video! Feel bad for just being happy last episode that you played Corrin and Robin, but I'll give a couple actual suggestions. I tried something similar a year or two ago and I found that Ryu is actually really fun to play. The way his jab and aerials connect into his specials is really fun to use and makes him feel like you are linking substantial hits together. Special canceling is a cool mechanic, but I only like it on Ryu. I tried Ken and I do not enjoy playing him at all. I'd also put in a word for Mii Brawler except with the optimal special loadout. It plays very differently but is still really fun. If they are named Roy, play them.

[@GamerTimeNinja]

You really should try mii swordfighter with the tornado neutral B. Sure he is kinda cheesy but that tornado will set you up for any attack you could dream up, and all the other moves are a lot of fun to experiment with and find to more cheesy mii swordfighter moveset. :)

[@lollipanker2229]

Feels like the “that was pretty impressive” at 2:03 was directed at himself not the sponsor ngl😂😂

[@10Bendog]

I would suggest Bayo, for the self indulgence, but I'm not sure you'll like her that much. She starts getting fun only after you learn how to do jump cancel up b and a few of her basic combos, which really isn't hard to do, but it takes a little time. Although, she definitely has a much lower skill floor than Peach or Sheik, so if you're interested, you can try her. It is very fun to combo someone to the side or top blastzone tho. I do love doing that a lot. :)

[@firestorm3k882]

ACTUALLY Mii Gunner DOES have combos. They can do down throw or up throw to neutral air, landing forward air into grab or dash attack, the Grenade Launch neutral b into either dash grab; running tilt; running smash attack; or dash attack, the Missle side b can combo into dash attack; grab; or the Charge Shot neutral b, the PK Fire looking side b can combo into forward air; RAR back air; dash attack; running up smash; or the charge shot neutral b, & then bomb drop down b can combo into basically anything assuming you have the right set up.

[@AGTP527]

Peter I can't tell you how happy it makes me to see these 2 videos just going in and actually playing elite smash and just experiencing all the fun it actually can be is so great and ive been doing the same thing lol maybe looking for a sort of secondary (i could use more secondaries being a incineroar main lol) or just playing some for fun keep on keeping on man 🎉:)

[@BobzBlue]

Kirby's copy ability are actually stronger than the originals, I should remember to use them more

[@tantaloss8682]

BRO, landing Kazuya's down-smash at the ledge is what I live for. It's like "Stay down there where I put you, bish." Makes my weak, frail self feel like a real man.

[@Xxblade17]

The hopcat character development is crazy

[@PrincessMatrix]

I do hope you give Ryu a chance. He's quite a lot of fun, even without going for all the inputs

[@poultryg3ist]

I’d love to see you try Wii Fit Trainer! Her hit and run tactics involve interesting trap setups with sun salutation and header in tandem with versatile normals that can kill with deep breathing active

[@RayZanardi]

interestingly, I also decided to give Peach and Daisy a go recently, and it's been fun learning them

[@fluffyeevee383]

5:15 "But why power up the Monado? Surely *[Spoilers]* must realize it is now a double-edged sword..."

[@sgb8254]

One of the characters that I think gets overlooked since they got nerfed is Inkling. All the kills imo seem so rewarding when your opponent is covered in ink. Also their up throw to up air combo is just so free.

[@sgb8254]

Also, maybe try Sonic. I overlooked this character because he's considered one of the most annoying characters in the game, but after I decided to try him out, it was quite fun.

[@stormrhys]

It seemed that the nerfs didn’t matter it was but the meta changing

[@proporkkanatwd]

No more director cogger upload schedule no way

[@ConcreteGeniePainting]

I like this series a lot. I think I might give kirby another fair go after this, now that I dont have to feel like Im a toddler for even trying him. I think a fighting game character like Terry might be fun to try. Hes not as complicated as kazuya for example and shit like buster wolf and power dunk spikes are just hilarious to me. Yes, obviously Im a Terry main, give me validation

[@foodforthoughtsometimeslit1930]

I know he's not really unknown or anything like that, but I feel like Sephiroth is really fun when you play him more, compared to when you just spam bair the whole time when you start. I also just love to see anyone play him, so yes I am completely biased

[@BobzBlue]

Meta knight can do more things than just his ladder combo, such as falling back air into rising back air, ground canceled falling back air into down smash, down throw at low percent into neutral B, and side B draging yoshi off stage at 56% which would have killed at last stock but he fell out leaving meta knight in free fall making me sd lossing the game... I'm not crying, you are! As a warning up B is usually negative on hit unless he kills which isn't often enough.

[@mrg3520]

Would love to see you play duck hunt! His can is one of the most satisfying moves to land when it comes to hitting it around and launching it into someone, my personal favorite is following up nspec into a jump dair to spike the can down next to ledge, def would suggest giving him a go!

[@krishcartagena8565]

You finally gave Shulk some redemption, hope you can use it against Zack soon

[@SiebayPlays]

Incineroar neutral B on Kirby sounds like a nightmare to play against. Aside from a little end lag, you can basically spam it for free because he’s so short.

[@Fireoshi]

You should totally play Yoshi. His combos flow so well into each other, egg lay is a fantastic gimping move, egg throw is a fun projectile, he’s just got all the traits of a fun character. Honorable mention to Lucas since I saw him at the bottom of your KO list. His moves are pretty broken and you can have some fun with his grab!

[@stormrhys]

The combos are up and a…….And his gameplay is a………

[@Fireoshi]

@@stormrhys He did say he liked characters with a “when in doubt” option. Also, a lot of characters revolve around the A-Button too.

[@RayofHopeandDarkness]

Hopcat - if you move just a little bit when activating jump art it doesn't steal your jump as Shulk.

[@jonathanlgill]

But definitely don't use the double jump before it activates.

[@LinkDawnbringer]

Not going to lie that montage made Sans gunner look hilariously fun to play actually, rather than the opposite which seems to be what you were actually going for. (Also holy crap you're right that World of Light x Megalovania goes HARD)

[@NightFreeze9128]

"Although I think about 90% of these are people desperately looking for validation on their mains" *guilty as charged.* I've had the same reservations as you did about Peach and Shulk tho, maybe I'll give them a try if you really think the skill floor isn't as high as people believe

[@shiffpup2529]

Maybe it's different in Australia, but I'd like to see Hopcat go into online Arenas. Arenas are what keeps this game fun to me, as a lot of the time it's people just looking to have fun.

[@matthiashopkins7502]

this is secretly hopcats progression to become the best ironman attempt player to exist

[@MasteGamez]

I saw the thumbnail and was like: my secondary finally getting some recognition

[@HunchbackOfNotreJon]

For Peach, "easy mode" is jump on shoulder button. Float cancels become infinitely more reliable.

[@SethRietdijk]

sephiroths big sword can be super fun to swing around, and even without learning the falling nair chains he still has a combo game good enough to get consistant 30% combos (if you're good enough) ~~yes this is just wanting validation plz im desperate~~

[@TaleOfTheToaster]

Bro the Raycon ad was baller no joke, only you could pull that off

[@baileylynn5562]

I also recently discovered how fun Shulk is, glad to see him getting some love

[@inaviatable118]

As a shulk main I got 2 easy tricks for you 1: in buster, just down throw and f tilt. Congratulations, you just did like 40% 2: this is for the backslash fans out there. When the opponent is offstage, go smash, double jump high, and backslash to the ledge right when the opponent is getting up. Sounds like it would never work, but when you go smash they'll often get tunnel-visioned into not getting edgeguarded at 60%. Also don't try this more than once per match or twice per set, because they will definitely see it coming if you fish for it

[@rlotts6607]

Ngl played a little Shulk today and while I’m still not really feeling it, he was a lot more fun than I remember

[@TheBennestBen]

You might want to give back some love to olimar, constantly deciding what setup you want, trying to preserve pikmin and keep the ones you want to use in order makes it feel like you're playing smash bros at the same time as a brain tester, or if you're not in the mood to play sweaty his moves are pretty fun anyways

[@TheLilCheezey]

Try doing Sora. Nair loops are annoying to fight, but they take a minute to get the hang of, and the aerial mobility is surprisingly satisfying for crossups.

[@pinkzki6473]

LUCAS!!!!!! Yes he’s a zoner, but the manz got up close boxing combos, 2 different spiking moves, DJCZ, ton of off stage potential, loops, unique up B that can be challenging to new players picking him up to recover, healing option, technically an armored move, and a reflector. Character is so unique with a higher ceiling for movement possibilities, you just gotta look past “Pk Fire” and get good with the Up B recovery. Plus sniping people with pk fire while off stage and killing at low percents is kinda hype. Or even stage spiking them with pk fire is also fun. If you’re sweating use pk thunder or pk ice to edge guard. But you also got dair and bair spikes or even just ran off and fair. Also don’t forget up air chains at low percent to get 60-90 percent combo strings, don’t know why but his up air chains are the most satisfying.

[@vray7607]

As a Mii Gunner main, you are 100% correct and it fuels me to use this character for evil

[@johnstarinieri7360]

I'd super recommend giving Bowser Jr/The Koopalings an honest try. Admittedly I'm biased because I used to main them back in Smash 4 (now I'm more of a Ridley/DK/K. Rool guy) but they have such an interesting intersection between heavy and zoner that I really do enjoy picking them up every once and a while. Also their jab is a kill move which is really fun

[@partyworm.]

All I needed to see was a flip to know it's a 10/10 video

[@kwisowofer9872]

I agree with Mii Gunner. I could spam projectiles like there’s no tomorrow, but I am just held back by guilt… and I tried to play an intentionally toxic wifi Ness

[@JustinCarnitas]

Seriously making me want to play Kirby against my friends now. Thanks for another great video on this subject!

[@cupcakemedia1143]

I think one that would be great for this is Rosalina. She's good, but requires more effort to use well than most of the cast. Some of the basic tech for her is learning to hit an aerial just before you hit the ground, which will cancel Rosa's action, but Luma will still throw it out. RAR shorthop Nair into Luma landing Bair is a great tool that's pretty easy to use. You can also cancel your dash attack into a grab, but Luma will still dash attack. Rosalina may not be worth it for the time investment she takes to learn, but even with basic tools she's a lot of fun.

[@ditlevherold-jensen4715]

A cool thing about kirby's copy abilities is that they actually deal 1.2 times the damage of the move he copied

[@tyfi31]

The sans costume is literally the only reason to ever play mii gunner. I’m glad you agree with me HopCat.

[@7letters4letters49]

kirby is such an underrated troll character. the taunt, the stolen moves, the suck and cuck, the list goes on

[@Veckler]

Smash has been burning me out a little lately so I put it aside for a while, but this video reminded me why I love the game. And then you showed those Mii gunner clips... I'm extending my hiatus.

[@pixlyJolt]

Can’t believe I missed the sequel. I feel like Hop went into my brain & read why I use Kirby. Very low skill & fun ceiling but it can be very fun to play him at higher levels. Also funny gun go brrrat

[@hatjousuke]

As a Shulk main, I love matching into Kirby and offering to let them take my monado arts. But for some reason, most Kirbys don’t want it…

[@Plutoburns]

Ice climbers takes a bit of practice to know how to safely recover, but you can get some REAL sauce with just side B into up air. The icicles also have some BONKERS interaction with projectiles, they some how go through fully charged samus shot

[@hclink7315]

Glad I can make a cameo! Thanks for having me on!

[@The_Most_Feckless]

Gotta respect the link for not rage quitting. Also I would love some dedede validation

[@Kajora47]

Love this series so far! Careful trying out all these characters man, you might start having fun

[@SaxoraMcOhn]

Funniest part about Mii Gunner? They nerfed him. Mii Gunner in the WiiU/3DS era was a menace, the multihit of his projeticle lasted as long as a PK fire, his speed was based on the height of the Mii you used to create them and their campig set had an extra "landmine" build in. Sakurai really hated the world when he made this abomination from the zone zone

[@redgerran]

First time I've ever seen anyone edgeguard against Pikachu's up-B recovery.

[@ComputerGrave]

I'm giving shulk a try now and I gotta say playing this character is alot of fun, thank you HopCat!

[@ArcherOfHoshido]

I think this is the best Smash series. It's rare to see Smashers leave their comfort characters and really try something new. Great stuff!

[@yuG_modnaR58]

I love how you give Sans a Ness voice

[@GamingG4276]

I used to ignore Peach for years because I don't like her as a character. But when I checked official tier lists of all the smash games once, I noticed she's been high tier quite often. I then tested her in World of Light, and I really liked her and won a lot with her. She has earned my respect.

[@mir8clegaming]

As a Kirbo main, I am happy you had fun with the pink puffball that is not related to Jigglypuff at all.

[@curtisschneider1369]

Im SO glad you hated mii gunner. As a ridley main, that matchup is just pain

[@frenchyfry577]

That sponsor segment was incredible

[@KoopaKaper]

I am telling you right now Bowser Jr. is goated

[@triforce9286]

There's a guy in my local that plays Mii Gunner with Grenade and bomb (Samus downb) he plays just like Hop did. It's infuriating when he says "gg" and shakes your hand after the match, the second his opponent goes off-stage its just Neutral B and Down B. And he thinks it's so technical

[@daner293]

Dude i think that mii brawler is kinda underrated and you can go god mode if you learn him

[@SacredBlazeXxX]

9:41 Ah yes Coby, my favorite Smash character.

[@literally1751]

When I started playing shulk, I didn't do so cause he had a cool gimmick, or because I liked the franchise, but because he has what is basically a lightsaber.

[@AlinaAniretake]

Olimar. He should have more then at least two friends

[@whereisspacebar2991]

Going against min-min as a Kirby main goes from the most aggravating thing ever to the most fun thing ever by getting her copy ability. Olimar is a close 2nd.

[@GKey64]

is it just me or did that opening sound like the youtuber "Lockpicking Lawyer" lol

[@Ichiy0k]

Hopcat's Raycon sponsor seems like he's just flexing his flipping skills