Generic Video Game Red Dot

[@Valorius]

I was under the impression that when you switched between reticles youre just switching the filter, and that there's only 1 emitter. But who cares, it's hopelessly obsolete.

[@Hoplopfheil]

That seems possible. I figured it was less likely than the alternative because of how large/wide the LED would have to be. The reticle shape is immediately visible as soon as it starts rotating into view. Could be just a single huge emitter inside that rotating drum at the rear.

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

Hell, I suppose even that could result in a shift.

[@gg9xfrx4m30]

This is indeed the case, I've taken mine apart (rather destructively, it was non functional) and there's only a single LED emitter, and the ring switches between different filters/reticles

[@Valorius]

@@gg9xfrx4m30 basically like one of those old candle screens that would put different images on the wall in the olden days.

[@bt1959]

@@Hoplopfheil i have some old optics laying around if you want to do more vids on antiques

[@possumpatrol45]

The Ultradot is one of the optics ever made.

[@Captain_Harbatkin]

Can't argue that.

[@operator8014]

@@Captain_Harbatkin No wrong.

[@jarrettdavis1181]

Truly

[@mikef5694]

Out of all the optics, it’s definitely one of them.

[@michaelblacktree]

This is one of the comments I've seen today.

[@OperatorDrewski]

The comment about developers modeling guns after airsoft guns is exactly correct. In COD4 and MW2 the M4 magazines are airsoft magazines, with no bullets in them, but are perfectly modeled mid-caps. The M4 is a JG M4 S-System - an airsoft gun. I've been to the Ubisoft Red Storm studio, where all the gun props were airsoft with knockoff $80 "ACOGs" and other NCstar red dots. I mean, to be fair, unless you're going for tarkov-level realism, you really don't need exact measurements of an ACOG's 3D model for a 3rd person shooter. Luckily these days, with the need for higher fidelity models, usually devs will now develop their models based on actual firearms, IE: MW2019. But it is still fun to spot old airsoft JG M4 S-Systems in EVERY videogame from 2004-2008.

[@bradley9856]

oh my god thats hilarious, I never noticed that about COD4

[@Hoplopfheil]

I had an airsoft M4 as a kid with a forward assist made out of rubber. I am almost positive the Counter Strike devs had the same one which is why the reload animation ends with the player yanking the FA. That's my head canon anyway.

[@riflemanm16a2]

My favorite thing about COD4 is that the charging handle on the G3 never folds forward, so your bolt is out of battery all the time. That tipped me off that the devs never touched an actual gun.

[@julianjaimes197]

This is correct. My favorite in game detail regarding this is at the end of MW2, when Shepard throws the knife and you and you look down, you can see all the tops of the magazines in your chest carrier are airsoft mags w a single hole in the top for loading bbs. During the climax of the game and you're looking down at midcaps lmao

[@dr2d2]

Don't forget some mags in gta v is based on airsoft guns ( just go to ammunation and rotate some of the rifles. Even on the menu its a hi cap for the mag.

[@BangoJay_Official]

We've all been there. I remember my first blister pack red dot that I got at the local sporting goods store. "Oh hey that's the one in COD4, it must be good!" Narrator: it wasn't

[@echodelta2172]

same, put one on a .22LR as my first gun. I think it failed to turn on shortly later and went into the trash...

[@player-mv7th]

Morgan Freeman: As it would turn out, the red dot from Call of Duty 4 would in fact not be good.

[@dogwalk3]

@@player-mv7th i read it in stanley parable narration.

[@JG54206]

I read that in a narration voice rather than my own. Well done.

[@TombstoneThe]

i read the "narrator" bit in the Arrested Development voice

[@solwindp78-1]

Great now I'll probably have to buy an Ultradot. I have a soft spot for companies that continue to produce outdated iconic bullshit that barely works. Thanks Hop

[@neempata3274]

any other companies you have in mind?

[@ethanwiley7605]

@@neempata3274 cmore, the russian kobra, old aimpoint tube style dots

[@solwindp78-1]

@@neempata3274 Armson is another optics company that famously made the OEG that predates red dots. They still produce it along with their own ACOG style optic I've been wanting to try out on a carry handle mount (its around ~700 bucks so I've been putting it on the backburner). I also have an A.R.M.S. SIR handguard which they still sell variants of for truly obscene prices. Its iconic for its use in the early GWOT era as well as being in many videogames and movies (COD MW2 being the biggest one) but its really kinda bad. Not only is it unnecessarily heavy, but the lower half and removable rail sections are made of a flimsy polymer. If you mount a vertical foregrip on it, it'll flex with every shot. Another optic I just remembered is the Lucid HD7. It's an extremely heavy red dot that has an overbuilt housing/body made to resemble an ACOG for some reason, it has multiple reticles like the Ultrashot, and even has a setting where you can use an ambient light sensor to change reticle brightness. The objective lens is fairly small, strong blue tint, and the view is cluttered by the large housing. Very silly red dot still being sold today even though the price is >300 bucks usually. There is also the russian PYCAK (or 'Rabbit') optics. Supposedly they were still being made fairly recently. I have one and they're hilarious. You literally zero the optic by undoing a screw on the objective lens and moving it. For some reason the battery life seems to be incredibly long as well, I have accidentally left it on for months.

[@resmarted]

They produce them because people buy them.

[@neempata3274]

@@solwindp78-1 thanks a llt, fascinating

[@stevemc6010]

The CoD4 Red Dot Sight and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[@sulfur3684]

@@kanaka118446 a pipebomb

[@user-el4su7tl6f]

Hey, your comment sounds familiar...

[@Cpt_JohnRackham]

​@@user-el4su7tl6f Profane, esoteric wisdom.

[@Frilabird]

😳

[@AshyGr33n]

The narrow frame on the Pan AV makes it the go-to red dot sights in videogames. Unfortunately we haven't quite figured out how to render a solid object out of focus, so the narrow frame comes in as an advantage when aiming down the sight.

[@termitreter6545]

Yes, thats probably a big reason its still used in games. Since you cant simulate two eyed shooting, iron sights and red dots/holos with more thick frames suck. Especially a problem in multiplayer games, where this stuff can easily get you killed.

[@Hoplopfheil]

Make 'em semi-transparent like the iron sights in Delta Force: Black Hawk Down.

[@termitreter6545]

@@Hoplopfheil The problem is that modern game engines for some reason cant deal with transparency. If there was an easy solution, then Im sure games wouldve come up with one. Delta Force actually worked around the problem by switching to 2D-sights when you aim. Its common in older games; Brothers in Arms, or even the venerable Operation Flashpoint did it too. It generally doesnt look as good though, especially in more modern titles.

[@birdbrid9391]

"Unfortunately we haven't quite figured out how to render a solid object out of focus" Why lie? It's usually called some form of "ADS Depth of field" in your graphics settings

[@termitreter6545]

@@birdbrid9391 Come on, dont just accuse people of lying. I had the same thought first, but I think that ADS blur is just blurring "beyond" the borders of the sight. You want the actual case to be transparent.

[@tylerhenry2677]

I can confirm the zero shifts between different reticles and colors

[@ioele1000]

In video games I really prefer this type of red dot sight, because I hate how much of the screen other sights block. Other sights are always way to zoomed in and leaves massive blind spots on the sides. And I think it looks pretty cool irl too.

[@CODCritic101]

Happens irl also

[@locklear308]

Hell this is a problem in real life. Some iron sites are HORRIBLE

[@KadenaSKK]

The best thing devs should do is significantly blur and minimize the shroud or make it disappear entirely to simulate shooting with both eyes open, which is how you should be shooting regardless.

[@locklear308]

@@KadenaSKK Would be interesting to see something new like that.

[@Matias-dr3ys]

@@locklear308 battlefield 2 and delta force did that.

[@toddinfl]

Closed emitter cult highly approves this video.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

Apparently

[@arcblooper2699]

I didn’t know there was an “original” version. Kind of nice to see, I think they’re the best looking optics on MP5s

[@Yurik-the-marksman]

On mp5s they look good

[@Neo2266.]

I think you think that because you’ve seen that combination so much

[@Iisakki3000]

@@Neo2266. or maybe we've seen that combination so much just because it looks good

[@Agentcoolguy1]

No way, there are more modern optics that look much better on MP5s.

[@arcblooper2699]

@@Agentcoolguy1 Well seeing as we’re discussing opinions I disagree

[@nikik5567]

I’m actually glad u made this, purely because it tells me the source of all those cheap Chinese knock offs I’ve seen for the last ten to fifteen years. I always figured they were based off an actual optic that wasn’t *total* garbage (at least back when it was made anyway) so seeing the original was neat.

[@chrisresnikoff1741]

I wish somebody would make a good optic in this style. I just love the aesthetic.

[@Halal_Dan]

>not getting the best optic get a C-More

[@maxwellmortimermontoure7274]

Sadly not possible.

[@lucasblanchard47]

…are you serious?

[@fender_ketchup]

It's a lot smaller, but the Trij SRO is probably the best modern open-emitter dot out there

[@smokingcrab2290]

It'd have zero durability

[@robotbuster1487]

C-More sights were market in 1990's for low-to-no abuse situations, turkey shoot shotguns, bullseye and bowling pin shooters.

[@CCW1911]

The USPSA Open Division competitors used tons of them back in the day.

[@Marksman5147]

@@CCW1911alotta people still use them in USPSA, I have no idea why because they’re absolutely inferior in everyway and people always bitch ab them flickering etc lol

[@DonPatrono]

@@Marksman5147 Hop did go over that: light weight, super thin frame, incredible glass clarity and zero parallax, allowing for a literal floating dot on top of your gun. It is not durable, but for competition purpose it is still pretty good, and for a price tag that doesn't break bank too much

[@Gunbudder]

3:37 there is no way there are FOUR diodes in there. that would be completely insane from a BOM perspective. it is almost certainly a turret that has the 4 different lenses that are moving in front of a single diode. four diodes wouldn't even fit in there lol

[@WdoubleyouW]

yeah man he's not that intelligent .... america moment lmaoo

[@TheMsdos25]

A very similar dot is also available in Battlefield 4 as the "Coyote RDS". Same design but with a larger hood extending in front of the glass.

[@andreivaldez2929]

I remember this, also the "Chinese holographic" sight (forgot the name of it) seems to be one of those $20, Amazon specials since I've seen a few from different companies.

[@TheBradyrulez]

I actually got one of those "Amazon specials" for free to review once from some dude in China. The bloody thing had battery life in the dozens of hours and when I contacted the guy about it, he just told me to keep it and said a review was unnecessary. For those curious it was a Feyachi and costs more than a TRS-25 with a tenth of the functionality.

[@Ftwentytwopilot]

It's probably listening to you

[@ChiefRezResin]

Feyachi is dirt cheap and it definitely is a amazon special. Although I have a weapon light from them and it surprisingly hasn’t broke yet. I put it on my 590s moe forend and it has withstood many range days of shooting buckshot and slugs. Mostly 3 inch and normal 2 3/4” slugs. Still is tight on the rail with blue loctite and still shines bright as fuck.

[@acanuck4life]

@@ChiefRezResin which model? I've been thinking about getting an mlok one from then for a Type97

[@ChiefRezResin]

@@acanuck4life its the feyachi fl11 mb tactical weapon light. Its chinese but surprisingly is holding up very well.

[@xikungao2376]

OMFG. It's a guy called Justin Potter isn't it!!?? He sent my entire airsoft team free Feyachi lights and vertical grips for Amazon reviews.

[@kksan]

I purposely bought one of the knockoffs from amazon in order to complete that CoD4 MP5 look with my SP5 lol. It just brought back so much childhood memories.

[@neurotoksyn]

this video probably sold more ultradots in the past 2 months than the company has in 10 years nostalgia is a powerful drug

[@igamewhenimbored7696]

I'm astonished you could even track down what the original of these optics even was Well done

[@Genetic_117]

Fr at this point it’s just impossible

[@NeightrixPrime]

He is only repeating the company's claim

[@larsmurdochkalsta8808]

I don't think all of the reticles are on simultaneously. If I remember from my airsoft days there is a single emitter and all of the reticles are masks on a carousel and you're physically spinning them into position to display the intended reticle. Which is still ass cuz that's a massive dot.

[@CCW1911]

And the zero shift problem. The knock off versions have the problem of the reticle lever moving under recoil if you put them on anything that has much recoil.

[@RenoMay]

First: “who’s buying these” Probably me in about 5 minutes to put on my mw2 m16 Second: KZbin unsubbed me and I’ve had notis on for your channel for a while.

[@Hoplopfheil]

I'll send you this one.

[@haley746]

MW2 uses square red dots

[@minimunny8368]

Really like these reviews of old trash-teir red dots. Curious about the Triji RX01 reflex and the C-more, because there's a ton of them on the used market and I wonder how they stack up today

[@ridhosamudro2199]

From the hear-say I see on the various forums they're held up pretty well. It's just they eat a lot of space on the rail compared to more recent offerings.

[@solwindp78-1]

There are apparently quite a few different versions of the RX01, so your mileage may vary. I briefly owned the RX01-NSN 4 MOA dot version, tritium had long since died. I would not recommend buying any of them now considering that the tritium is dead on most of the used ones at this point (They did sell them until fucking 2020 according to the Trijicon website though so there might be some new ones around? Who was buying them I wonder). Without the tritium the dot is extremely dim and almost completely unusable. The tint is very strong, probably as bad as the sightmark in this video, and there is some glow/distortion around the edges of the objective lens. Additionally, even when they were new, these optics had a problem with being washed out by sunlight or flashlights which is why the polarizing filter (that screw-in extension up front) was added. The polarizing filter is also your only way to adjust brightness on the fly - you can rotate it like a flashlight bezel to change the amount of light that passes through - but keep in mind this is literally just a pair of adjustable sunglasses, so you are dimming your sight picture as well. I have seen them on the used market and the prices they command are really kinda silly. Many of them sell for far more than Comp M2/ML2s do and they're definitely significantly worse. If you have to get one at all, I would only go for the iconic triangle reticle.

[@solwindp78-1]

I'll try to upload a few old pictures of the RX01NSN. KZbin hates links so go to imgur and add this to the end of the URL: /a/HcWzVEl

[@minimunny8368]

@@solwindp78-1 Very awesome input! I wonder of Trijicon can replace the tritium in those optics like they do with older ACOGs. It's surprising to me that they sold them until 2020 lol **EDIT** Apparently re-lamp services are not covered by Trijicon, so if you get one and the tritium is gone then you're pretty SOL unless you know a guy who re-lamps those optics

[@solwindp78-1]

@Random Pickle I don't know if Trijicon actually offers that service for anything other than ACOGs, but keep in mind they usually charge anywhere from 250-550 dollars to recharge an ACOG depending on how old it is/which model. Sometimes they will just do a recharge, other times they will need to replace all the internals, its up to them really. Also Trijicon will check the serial number to see if it was USGI issued, as they only service those through the military. So if your optic walked off from an arms room somewhere (I know the RX01-NSN was part of the SOPMOD kit, although it was commercially offered as well) they won't work on it.

[@michaelblacktree]

Many moons ago, my first red dot sight was an Ultradot knock-off. And yes, changing reticles did affect the zero. It wasn't the greatest experience, but I could see the utility of a RDS. So I replaced it with an Aimpoint PRO.

[@articcenturion8387]

You went from cheapest red dot to most expensive red dot.

[@michaelblacktree]

The PRO was only $400. There are lots of red-dots more expensive than that.

[@ja0298]

I just thought this was a generic cheap red dot design. Had zero idea there was a “first” version.

[@UmUs]

Always my go to in games, looks clean af and pairs nicely with SMGs

[@mrmactknife]

I bought something that looks exactly like this 5 or so years back to use on airgun. The pellets hit where the dot it, so I guess it worked well enough. You spoke about battery life, i forgot to turn it off after a shooting session once, it was still working a few months later :O

[@ridhosamudro2199]

Wow after all these years wondering on and off about these kind of red dot sight I finally know which one is the original. Can you do another for the other "generic" red dot sights? I'm particularly curious about the old "tube" ones with the turrets on top

[@kwitmeh3]

Dot sights originated from Aimpoint so tube styles prolly come from the T1

[@ridhosamudro2199]

@@kwitmeh3 the 1×30 one I mean

[@bt1959]

i have 2 of these on the shelf...

[@antpassalacqua]

the ultra dot and match dot are actually really good for bullseye pistol and rifle tbh

[@CCW1911]

Also popular for NRA Action Pistol AKA Bianchi Cup competition.

[@ChevTecGroup]

I figured most competitors used C-more red dots. They always seemed to be the most popular open emitter competition dots

[@CCW1911]

@@ChevTecGroup C-More is popular in USPSA Open where the light weight and no tube is an advantage shooting fast, but anything that requires accuracy they aren't too good, the crazy way the windage adjustment works makes it tough to get a precise zero and then they wander, plus they tend to have parallax.

[@milehigh3054]

Best sights there are for bullseye shooting. I have a bunch of them. Some of the best.

[@quironmiranda2591]

I’ve been trying so hard to find the actual real one ultra dot except I didn’t know what the real on was called. So thanks for making this useful video

[@dd-km2ne]

Mom can we have red dot? *no we have red dot at home.* R E D D O T A T H O M E

[@bunnyoperator]

I genuinely believe that this is the best video you've ever made because it traces the origins of the quintessential "FUD" optic. We may never fully understand why FUDs do the things they do but this is certainly valuable insight into that mysterious culture.

[@ReptilianLepton]

Surely a C-More Railway on top of a Mark III Hunter would be even fuddier.

[@bunnyoperator]

@@ReptilianLepton The C-More has softer lines and looks like a pre-evolved SRO in caterpillar form. It has a special place in my heart. 😂

[@gunsandcommissions]

@@ReptilianLepton The C-More is super fudd, but a Sightmark is peak poor fudd.

[@andreivaldez2929]

Go back to Hop's video on the Sightmark. The fudds arguing in favor of it over the big name red dots is hilarious. "Kyle Rittenhouse killed 2 men with this - how many men you killed with yours?!", is their default argument now.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

Fudd optic is a bit contradictory, isn't it? Unless it's a fixed power 8x with a basic cross hair.

[@Dread_Not]

My cheap Walmart knockoff version actually changes features while shooting 5.56, going from red to green, different brightness, and even different reticles. Holds the zero decent, but the "shuffle mode" takes some non-tactical appreciation.

[@PantherCat64]

Reading makes me almost want a "red dot shuffle" to be a normal feature you can choose to turn on at any time. It'd be fun to confuse your friends with.

[@Dread_Not]

@@PantherCat64 I'm literally leaving the forest now with it, shuffle mode is kinda fun. I co-witness it with my irons and use a more reliable rds offset.

[@PantherCat64]

@@Dread_Not Take a video of it for me.

[@Taseden]

After all these years I finally know what the "generic" red dot really is. Thanks for making this. I always thought it was some long forgotten US made/designed optic. I always wondered why we never saw these on legit IRL fighting guns. I have a knock off (on airsoft guns no less) for the nostalgia. Surprisingly works well for airsoft.

[@DoritoWorldOrder]

Before I knew much about guns, I once bought an "Aimpoint" at a yard sale for $200. Looked just like a modern Aimpoint optic, except for a simpler mount, and appeared genuine, so I thought I was getting my first serious military-grade red dot sight for half the price of buying one at the store. Turned out it was one of their ancient pre-CET/ACET models (the advanced power-saving circuitry that gives the things their famous 40-50k hr battery life), and boasted a whopping "1500 hours" battery life - akin to budget optics of the time from the likes of Bushnell and Vortex that I could have picked up for $80-125... so, having no real collector value being a mass-produced optic from the 90's, the thing was pretty worthless on the resale market, and ended up as a very expensive beater sight on a .22lr plinker.

[@BrassFacts]

01:29 it's also shocking that lesbian operator you picked also has the exact same haircut as you.

[@Hoplopfheil]

Still living life as the default character. :(

[@farmersneed]

I've owned Ultradot Pan AV before and it is a pretty solid red dot. It's not good as a general purpose red dot, but it's great as a range or competition type red dot. I would not describe it as cheap feeling, it is made in Japan like other Ultradot optics. No zero shifts from shooting mid-caliber rifle rounds with it on. I'd highly recommend it as a pistol red dot for competitions if your pistol has a picatinny rail. Supposedly it has good durability, but I never tried breaking it.

[@immikeurnot]

Who runs a pic rail for optics on a pistol anymore, though?

[@Dee_Snutz69]

@@immikeurnot competition shooters

[@farmersneed]

@@immikeurnot Mostly people who do competitions or use revolvers

[@SillyCrilly]

I still find it goofy when Soap is about to throw the knife at Shepherd, and you just see mid-caps for airsoft guns on his plate carrier.

[@chinesemassproduction]

I had always wondered what the originator of these "Amazon red dots" were, and I got my answer. Thanks, Hop.

[@yomama3622]

Hop roasting Ubisoft was not what I expected today but it’s welcomed

[@sartorialdriver6528]

First thing I thought of was how it was most recently in Breakpoint and actually diminished my perception of the game's quality through it's inclusion.

[@kwitmeh3]

@@sartorialdriver6528 ubisoft and quality don't go together very well

[@robertsmith2300]

Babe wake up, hop posted another subscribe star video

[@Hoplopfheil]

Go to bed you have a match in the morning

[@wildcat8598]

Years ago when I knew jack shit about firearms and bought my first AR (yes it was an Anderson 😂) I bought one of these. Think it was a Firefield or some shit but I remember thinking “damn why do guys spend so much on an AR and optics?” Wel needless to say nowadays I get it ever since I started training I found out quickly what works and what works best. Nowadays my main one is setup for NV with a 10.3” Super Duty with XPS3, LS321G, Surefire M600 both ran off Modbutton Lites. It’s funny looking back at how I was then compared to now but luckily I made friends with some guys who knew what they were doing and bullied me into better stuff😂

[@powerlink_provider]

redpilled*

[@kanaka118446]

Gun bullying works.

[@tedh7543]

Romeo 5 is my go-to affordable Red Dot. Around $100 it is a solid quality optic for the money with all the modern technology.

[@Windowlick_]

I use my pan av with my pano nods because im a pansexual

[@splutteryelm]

Ong fr

[@Sickcrazyneet]

Kinda based ngl

[@BadCompanyGeneral]

Ahhhh the RPD and Franken AK in COD 4 and MWR with the Ultradot.... Good memories...

[@andreivaldez2929]

The image of that glass housing with the backdrop of Shipment is burned into my mind. Good times.

[@tskwared667]

I remember looking up “red dot sight” and being confused as hell when aim points would pop up

[@ultimategamingfriends]

idc if its outdated, this shit looks so fucking nice on MP5’s and UMP-45’s and so many other guns, its imo also super nice it doesn’t block your view as much as other optics typically do

[@humorss]

I never knew there is a genuine version of this dot that holds zero on guns. Now I want one.

[@macsweene]

Anyone else remember being mesmerized by the red dot effect in cod4? Also probably one of the first games that i recall seeing with this optic.

[@Isgolo]

As a European with 0 gun experience I cant see what's wrong with the reflex design, is it not accurate? What is the problem with this style of sight?

[@BassFlapper]

Yeah same here. I would've been interested to know more about this sight in a 'Forgotten Weapons' style of video. I feel lime I'm missing a lot of context here...

[@sssss8700]

It’s fragile and has horrific battery life. Beyond that the “real” ones are probably ok. I’ve had 3-5 of the knockoffs over the years and some work pretty good some won’t hold a zero and have very crappy looking reticles. My knockoffs the brightness settings ranged from “too bright” to “staring at the sun”. Modern designs are a lot more rugged and usually have a lot better battery life. You usually give up the multiple reticle options but that’s more or less just a gimmick.

[@dookfields2362]

This is literally my criteria for the red dot I wanted: standard lvl 1 video game red dot

[@Samurai_Aldo]

For $20 I just put it on my 10/22 and charger pistol. Had no issue with it.

[@nejinaji]

Hop is playable in break point who woulda thought

[@undersc0r]

Man I remember researching this thing a while ago, although the earliest design of this red dot I was able to find was the ADCO solo sight.

[@BigDuke6ixx]

These sight are great for long lens photography, especially if you want to photo wild bird. They are also used on telescopes as red dot finders - useful for aligning go-to scopes.

[@Moonstone-Redux]

Nikon and Olympus now have dedicated cold-shoe mounted dot sights using the same principle. I have the older Olympus version that only comes with one sight picture and has an eye-searing brightness even at the lowest setting.

[@chaimafaghet7343]

Hop is going to do a tide pod spit take when he finds out you used to have to wind down your car windows manually.

[@bushwhackedonvhs]

Hop is like 30 dude

[@chaimafaghet7343]

@@bushwhackedonvhs Yeah nice try I'm going to have to see ID before he gets served.

[@ES-uz4tu]

Ultradots are still very popular in the Bulls-eye shooting communities. I see them all the time in competition.

[@MultiTelan]

2:58 “and now you have your cootie shot” I have no idea why that came to mind as soon as I heard it.

[@MrGible]

Same thing came to mind

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Blunty 5000 lego video

[@seanbenedict8422]

Finally, I know what's the OG version of that airsoft red dot sight commonly found in FPS games for some reason. Since it's really overused yet outdated, those games should try featuring other modern red dot sights such as the SIG Romeo 5, Aimpoint T-2/Acro, etc., cause they look really modern compared to this trash one. Edit: I though the original model was the Barska Electro because I once read on the Metro Wiki that it was the basis for the red dot sight used in Metro: Last Light.

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

I always liked this optic in games, least obstruction of your fov. I never considered something like this to use in real life because it looks, by design, hopelessly unreliable/fragile. If an optic aint bomb proof, it doesnt belong on a fighting rifle in my opinion. Acog is still the king of combat optics in my opinion.

[@my9thaccount140]

Still saving up for one. The fact that it’s a battle tested sight with illumination that doesn’t use batteries is enough to sell it. Holy hell they’re expensive, but hey if you’re gonna spend some ridiculous money on something spend it on the thing that helps you hit what you’re aiming at.

[@TheOneWayDown]

Well, acog for a magnified optic, then an aimpoint pro or eotech for 1x seem to be the ones that are not only bomb proof, they're almost Marine proof

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

@@my9thaccount140 theyre really not that expensive all things considered. Leupold has some $5,000 optics thatll make you scratch your head going, "but why?" Ive seen ta31's as low as 6-700 bucks... never in the reticle i wanted though... i think i spent about a thousand on my ta31 with acss reticle.

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

@@TheOneWayDown yeah, i just dont see the point in an unmagnified optic, especially for the cost. An aimpoint m68 is getting very close to acog prices...

[@pewpewTN]

@@g00gleisgayerthanaids56 Because red dots are miles better than irons & why the hell would you want magnification on a PS90 or MP5? There is absolutley a place for 1x.

[@HeavilyArmed]

I have a Sightmark version of this red dot on my home defense shotgun. I like the circle dot reticle for it in that application. At some point I’ll replace it with a smaller Truglo Tru-Tec style red dot. At the end of the day, this style of red dot is basically exclusively a basic rimfire optic.

[@indianOutlaw87.5]

I actually would really like a sight in this form factor but with modern amenities like shake awake auto shut off and a longer battery

[@sonickiller360]

Always wondered about what the og version of this dot was. Now I know.

[@Haitch_Kay]

You can (or could) still find one of the knockoffs in Tarkov- the Walther MRS. Tarkov also has, bizarrely enough, NCStar shit and freaking UTG optics and gear. Literal airsoft tier stuff. But then again Tarkov is about on par with Ubisoft "tactical" games nowadays so I guess it's to be expected.

[@taylormartin4346]

Tarkov's weapon customization is about the only reason to play it these days

[@nfaisnfgay]

I love all the TarCucks who think Tarkov is a 1:1 battle trainer or something. Honestly surprised the game ever had players - but then again I guess people need to do something if they don’t have a full time job and hobby.

[@AlexDenton0451]

@@taylormartin4346 not even almost all builds besides meta stuff isn't viable.

[@yungpark6435]

I’m pretty sure the airsoft shit is ironically included in the game as we see guys out in Ukraine using holosuns and condor gear on both sides, if it works might as well use it

[@Haitch_Kay]

@@yungpark6435 Holosun isn't airsoft shit at all. And no, the cheapo airsoft stuff was in the game well before the recent events in Ukraine.

[@The6thMessenger]

"Antiquated" Personally, it works. That's all I need for a gun.

[@taylorclear-g8z]

Pump shotguns are “antiquated” too…but they’ll still get the job done.

[@davidduke3417]

I like this video, these have a lot of history (gaming) and I never hear this optic being talked about. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK SON! 😤😤😤

[@EeZ3-808]

I have my PanAV I bought 10 years ago. It still holds zero and works flawlessly. It used to live on one of my AR’s in the beginning, it now lives on an AKM. It works. So I still use it. Aloha 🤙🏽

[@GrendalTheBeasty]

I didn't know there was a version of this that wasn't the crappy $40 amazon special. I'm kind of tempted to buy one now just for the lols. $140 isn't that much for a red dot tbh.

[@EeZ3-808]

@@GrendalTheBeasty yes, made in Japan and very decent quality for something back then.

[@St0RM33]

Well at least it's better than having no optics at all..

[@drphil6303]

This will match perfectly with my Amazon peq 15, that i got for a mail in rebate

[@ChiefKEEF571]

Is there going to be an overview of Arms S.I.R. Rail now?

[@ALX_6.11]

I'm always trying to find out this optic's name,now i know. Thanks uhh...thanks hoplofheil.

[@YukarisGearReviews]

>not choosing the best sight

[@stevemc6010]

SEE MORE

[@DueIistGio]

I never knew there was a legit base model these all spawned from so that's neat, But when I hear "reflex" I think like Trijicon Rx34.

[@24YOA]

Raise your hand if you were 13 and thought red dots / reflex sights were completely different things ✋

[@Hoplopfheil]

I used to think EOTechs were reflex sights and stuff like the PanAV were red dots.

[@mr.noir98]

the original generic red dot is actually a walther mrs

[@pingwenhung8327]

Despite it being a garbage sight, ngl I would still prefer this sight over other EOTech sight in games, given the "frame" of the sight doesn't block a lot of the screen, giving you more view when ADS compare to the other sights.

[@MorningGI0ry]

2:55 that just unlocked a memory I forgot I had.

[@MagicPrepper]

I have no idea why I needed to watch this but I am still glad that I did.

[@Hoplopfheil]

To be reminded of the bad old days. COD lobbies and airsoft guns.

[@zettlerhousehold5475]

Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Had a Browning-branded knockoff one of these on my first AR (a DPMS) when I was a poor in college.

[@ch3cksund3ad]

Anybody that had an airsoft gun growing up, probably had a cheap one of those growing up I always took mine off though, loving iron sights Also yeah, Ubisoft is a rinse and repeat company sadly. An it's all really bad now

[@M5aru]

iron sights ftw

[@ChrisD__]

As a video game guy and not a gun guy, I left this video with more questions than answers.

[@docternoblex]

What’s annoying is when people double down in saying these are viable. I get my optics called trash because they’re “too obstructive” or “too heavy”. Yeah that’s because the Aimpoint PRO is the most versatile red dot on the market

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

Honestly, other people's opinions don't matter. Just tell them to screw off.

[@chadington6029]

It's people who are too emotionally invested in inanimate objects that think whatever they bought is inherently the best. Best you can do is give objective reasoning such as battery life, durability, etc and hope they listen. A lot of people think optics that cost $40 are "just as good."

[@Bourikii2992]

"Versatile" it's a red dot. Puts a dot where you are aiming. I don't need it to order KFC.

[@docternoblex]

@@Bourikii2992 but can it hold up to being dropped? How about shifts in temperature? How long does the battery last? That’s what I thought. Buy Aimpoint.

[@Bourikii2992]

@@docternoblex Good question, obviously this guy doesn't care because he never tested any of that shit lmao. They obviously work being sold for this long and not being cheap.

[@Liquidoni]

Hearing you rip on video games with terrible gun designs really takes me back to the good old days.

[@S.Collins]

oh god its the Red dot that makes me mad every time i see it in video games

[@drphil6303]

I use iron sights before this monstrosity in any video game

[@brisingrprotogen1739]

Do either of you understand that people want to, you know, have fun shooting guns and not use an optic that blocks half there screen?

[@The_Tactical_Wook]

I’m glad you are doing reviews like this. It’s hard looking for quality when all I can afford is cheap

[@Pasuno242]

>China / Japan >Southeast Asia

[@DakotaTheRat]

Not only was the Ultra Dot in COD4, the Devs also used a under folding mini krinkov Airsoft gun as the games AKS-74u reference lmao

[@HariboStarman]

Ghost Recon Wildlands/Breakpoint red dot 🙄

[@Blitzkrieg_Wolf]

But Hop, haven't you heard? Nostalgia adds 15% more accuracy.

[@rwicerino]

hop have u ever considered outfitting an mp5 with an under barrel launcher a lá half life? ever seen it done?

[@McBanditHope]

Dew it hop

[@Calvin_Coolage]

There is a 25mm UGL made specifically for the MP5, but I'm not sure if it was just a prototype or not.

[@tenchraven]

I got an Ultradot many, many years ago. Still have it on a shotgun- the ring-dot approximates my spread at 50yds. Given that this will never be anything but a squirrel, partridge and clays gun that is only ever used in ok or better weather, it's fine.

[@CannibalWarthog]

1:28 Cannot tell if that is a dude or a chick but either way it looks just like Hop lol

[@sogerc1]

When I was a kid?! I have one right now on my Scar-H GBBR.

[@jimbo1278]

i get thease for old school "rainbow six vagus" inspierd builds. wallhangers, range queens and airsoft toys realy.

[@1nfamyX]

2:55 REAL ONES REMEMBER love these vids tho, as fragile & dated as it may be, good to see just how good/bad it is exactly instead of just dismissing. Maybe the nostalgia will give you +1 stamina recovery. Alsooo i dont think there are 4 emitters, i believe there is 1 & those are just different shaped holes. A dot sight works the same as holding your phone while looking out a window at night except the window is coated to reflect more visibly as the background(point of aim) will be well lit.

[@johnbeauchamp1743]

It's about game mechanics. This red dot has the best first person sight picture model. sorry gun nerds

[@kevmoful]

To be fair I would understand a fella having a suppresssd AR with a 40$ optic .

[@AKKK1182]

Okay but you failed to actually explain what's wrong with it.

[@OJanimations08]

Literally the most basic sight I’ve ever seen

[@plmkoo6772]

Bideo bames :D