G12M vs G12H - Celestion Greenback comparison

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Today we're trying to compare the classic rock speakers from Celestion, the Greenbacks - namely tyhe difference between the G12M and the G12H - we're also throwing in the Vintage 30 as an example for those who know that speaker well.
1x12 Fatbaby - SM57 ONLY
3:22 - G12M 25W Clean
3:32 - G12H 30W Clean
3:42 - Vintage 30 Clean
3:52 - G12M 25W Crunch
4:02 - G12H 30W Crunch
4:12 - Vintage 30 Crunch
4:22 - G12M 25W Metal
4:32 - G12H 30W Metal
4:42 - Vintage 30 Metal
7:35 - G12M and Vintage 30 Combined
2x12 Fatboy - SM57 ONLY
5:55 - G12M 25W Clean
6:05 - G12H 30W Clean
6:15 - G12M 25W Crunch
6:25 - G12H 30W Crunch
6:35 - G12M 25W Metal
6:45 - G12H 30W Metal
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[@gbirdo4718]

I wana hear the G12M and G12H together rather than the Vintage 30.

[@ZblockWoW]

Heritage G12M 20 watt Best guitar speaker for classic rock. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@antonioalbares]

The H really shined in this video. I have both and tend to play M for the most part (woody, full, creamy, powerful) that said for recording the H sits on the eq so well. It’s like in between the v30 and the M imho

[@oldguyjammin9732]

Hardly a difference when playing cleans but a more pronounced mid spike with the V30. REALLY like the 30W Greenback!

[@christianboddum8783]

G12H on metal was surprisingly good!!

[@echech750]

The sound cuts out between 0:22 - 0:34

[@adamsteelproducer]

So it does! How did I miss that, and more importantly how did thousands of viewers not say anything? Bizarre

[@echech750]

Yep. Had to look up what the M & H in G12 stood for, otherwise a very informative video.

[@HybridChoky]

​@Friendly Fire Harsh...but very true. XD

[@shekador]

@@adamsteelproducer they were too busy checking their speakers and sound settings like me haha

[@zxexrxox]

Haven't fixed it yet?

[@gregknight5141]

Its weird to think I have a digital copy of those actual cabs on my Wall of Sound software. They sound awesome btw

[@KingKook]

Yeah, the V30 is more midrangey, less top end clarity or sparkle, so it sounds more, um, noisy. It's good for 70's rock and certain specific applications, such as rhythm, overdubs, etc. But the Heritage cones have more personality and range available to be dialed in with your amp and guitar controls. The M seemed to overdrive more easily and fully, but the H has great overall tone.

[@rendyandrian7149]

Hi, your videos are really useful for me. Because you compare so many different celestion speakers. Right now, I can only hear the different of celestion speakers through IR. Listening your videos shows me how the real speaker sounds like. I'm currently planning to buy a 2x12 with celestion. So, I'm looking forward to watch your comparison between series and parallel connection.

[@MyMotherTheCar]

I like the smoothness of the G12M. To me it's a huge advantage that they're less efficient - the power tubes work harder to push the same amount of volume, and they don't have that harsh midrange thing the V30 has. They sound BIG whereas the V30 just sounds loud. Greenbacks are the only thing that makes my 50W JCM800 even remotely usable in clubs.

[@KingKook]

Yeah, the V30 is more midrangey, less top end clarity or sparkle, so it sounds more, um, noisy.

[@mikepretorius6350]

For sure as im now finding out 😊

[@MATTE.U.K]

this comment, i agree perfect explanation. G12M It is but new UK made, used ones on ebay, or Chinese made

[@Zantrop64]

The more distortion, the more the speaker is important

[@amritjanardhanan]

Not necessarily - the WATTAGE, the more the speaker is important. Speaker distortion has a very peculiar sound that most don't want. Even if you always play dead clean, you don't want a speaker that makes or sound nasal or muffled.

[@Zantrop64]

@@amritjanardhanan yeah, but the compression it gives with more volume is what can be important. Wattage isn't volume in many cases. I have a modded micro terror that can give insane volumes, but some amps with higher wattage can be quieter, depending on transistor is tubes, or the architecture of the amp. It's said A class amps are better sounding but way less efficient than many architectures. But wth do I know? I'm drunk I probably am saying the dumbest shit you'll ever read. Anyway, in my short experience, clean tones aren't as affected by the speaker as distorted ones, as they create a lot of high frequencies, that often requires to be muted so it isn't deafening. G'night folks

[@amritjanardhanan]

LOL. Have a good night

[@jackhackett3197]

Now I'll never what the M and H stand for.

[@adamsteelproducer]

Medium and Heavy magnet

[@doc_matter]

Was the audio of that clipped out on purpose

[@tagadabrothersband]

1) g12m25 greenbacks - 2) g12h30 greenbacks - 3) V30, I don't like much this one. I use g12h30/55 greenbacks (heritage series / made in UK) in marshall 1960ahw

[@Summer69.]

Hola que tal. Qué amplificador estás usando con el gabinete Marshall 1960 AHW (Celestion G12H30 / 55 hertz, Heritage. estaba indeciso si adquirir un cab Marshall 1960 BHW a un buen precio, o esperar a un cab 1960AX ( Celestion greenback G12 M ) tengo un Ceriatone Jcm 800 que creo tiene un sonido más JMP que un Jcm 800 porque esta basado en el circuito de 1976. dicen que los Celestion G12H30 55 hertz greenback Heritage son muy duros y fueron diceñados para Bass. mi estiló que buscó acercarme es estiló ( Guns n Roses, Aerosmith, van Halen) ¿podrías brindarme alguna opinión o consejo? gracias

[@Bilzebube92]

Thanks for your comparisons. You realy help me to choice the correct speakers.

[@MATTE.U.K]

Thank you, the bass might be deeper but i prefer the mids on the regular greens

[@jilgijs]

Great that you did this video with sign language!

[@ALtheDoctorWho]

Not sure but I think your using the 75 hz G12H. I have Vintage 30s in my top cab but I lelt the bottom with G12H 55 hz speakers. There is a Difference in the sound of 55hz & 75hz.G12Hs. Thanks for Sharing. c];-)

[@adamsteelproducer]

There is a difference, but very subtle in the “thump” of the speaker. The overall character is very similar

[@underpressureman]

Awsome, this is exactly what I wanted to see! Im currently deciding on a G12M or a G12H! Thanks man!

[@jamesgreen2412]

What did you go for? I'm in same boat

[@cobalt8421]

Same here, i'll go for 2*G12M it will nicely fit with a or15 head.

[@charlfrick8245]

Nice concise editing, thanks.

[@kylebishop8483]

Why not do a recording through the V30 and G12H 55hz. That’s the combo you want.

[@baddistortion9935]

G12M: Cleans G12H: Crunch Vintage 30: Metal Gotta have 'em all, sorry.

[@joeytruelove]

I'd be curious to know the years of make and/ or the T codes for the speakers demoed in the flick, please. The G12H30 being technically a Blackback does put it into a certain timeframe though.

[@FlankinspanK]

g12h and v30 combined in a 212 would be awesome

[@adamsteelproducer]

Indeed they are. The V30 and G12H75 are Zilla’s recommended mix

[@mikeindel]

Wouldnt the v30 drown out the GB ?

[@adamsteelproducer]

No, the G12H is the same sensitivity as a V30

[@musick777]

I have this combo in my cab, it's darn good!

[@theaverage7550]

Is the g12h a 55hz or 75hz?

[@thracian2072]

The Framus Ruby Riot combo comes with the G12M greenback and V30 speaker combination.

[@RobertoMilano]

I prefer the G12Heritage, in my opinion it has less "hiss" by listening to this test. I have two V30, but I don't like them so much... They sound too sterile for my taste, I have the feeling that they want a lot of distortion to sound powerful. I also have a Celestion Classic Lead 80 in a 1x12 Palmer and I like it very much (not too middle freq. and nice bass/highs). This G12H will be my next purchase.

[@christopherdunn317]

4:22 4:32 4:42 7:36

[@hgostos]

BOth the M and the H sound SO much better in the 2x12" cab (especially the H). Those speakers need IMHO to be in abig ish box to sound at their best.

[@StratMatt777]

Starts at 5:53

[@underpressureman]

fun fact, the lighter the magnet , the more the sound is compressed! Thats why for instance , like you said , on the G12M it sounded more saturated in the chugaa chugaa's and distorted riffage!

[@adamsteelproducer]

For the same type of magnet, sure! Doesn’t seem to be that way with the Neo Creamback, which has a super light magnet but it’s super strong

[@underpressureman]

Oh crazy, maybe it has something to do with the magnet type, and that rule doesnt apply! But ya , for the regular celestions anyway!

[@richardhunter9779]

I Gauss so.

[@adamsteelproducer]

Ba dum tish

[@underpressureman]

or do you know so, lol

[@Lexxo777]

Damn, no clear winner, they all sound great !

[@pawerup3631]

Thanks so much for this video.

[@superflea72]

great video, thanks for this!

[@marcogiampa283]

Comparing a late 70s G12H30 blackback with a kurt mueller cone and a late 80s/90s greenback reissue is not a fair comparison for magnet weight. I would like to see this again with a soeaker with the same cones of the same era

[@adamsteelproducer]

You’re welcome to make a video!

[@ReddenDoom]

Great test thanks!

[@rocknroll1973]

G12m with a g12h in a 2x12 is ballsy

[@tonyhayek1086]

Greenbacks all day long

[@charlesroucher1565]

I would go for the Greenback (H 30w?) that does not set people on fire. How did you manage to combine a G12M and Vintage 30 into a 1x12 by the way? Is there some digital gizmo I missed or something?

[@saz123ful]

Thank you for the very good review!! What whould you suggest for a Marshall mini jubilee 2525 head 20w? In an Egnater usa 1x12 cab? I don't know what speaker has inside only that is 8ohm and I feel it doesn't match very well...

[@jamesgreen2412]

Hi there. I have a blackstar studio 10 6l6 I'm thinking a G12m heritage will be the good way to go. What do you think please? Best regards. James

[@maxxstock]

vs G12M and Vintage 30 Combined

[@MrGabexhun]

Very good comparison! Even compensating for the sensitivity difference, great. A small remark, using cardioid mic for room mic is gonna suffer of proximity effect the other way: the bass is attenuated. Omnidirectional room mics are better in a studio. Thank you!

[@DarkItachi1]

the G12H was my fav by far you also messed up a few time stamps in the discription

[@adamsteelproducer]

Which ones?

[@DarkItachi1]

Hop Pole Studios the 1x12 Clean and Crunch are the same

[@adamsteelproducer]

Thanks for the heads up. Fixed!

[@DarkItachi1]

Hop Pole Studios no Problem

[@metalfather8139]

i love my my 412 2 v30s 2 greenbacks cab

[@MustangStevie7]

They all have there own flavour, I like them all, and I have all 3 too.

[@qua7771]

I liked the greenback for a classic tone and the V30 for high gain. I have V30s and H75s mixed in my 4x12 and like it. I'm considering loading my 2x12 with greenbacks. Not sure yet. It has V30s now. A little bright.

[@PaoloGiacci]

What happens when two speakers with different sensitivity values are matched? For instance, a G12M Greenback (98db) and a G12H Creamback (100db). I’m planning to do such a combo, but I’m worried about phase issues if the two speakers don’t feature exactly the same efficiency... Am I wrong? Thanks mate!

[@adamsteelproducer]

The phase isn’t an issue. Only problem is that the higher sensitivity speaker will be louder and may drown out the characteristics of the other one!

[@PaoloGiacci]

Hop Pole Studios Thanks for the reply. In my case it could be a good thing since my Laney LA30BL sounds a bit too scooped in the mids (between 1k and 2k) with stock greenbacks loaded in its own 2x12 closed back cab. Replacing just one of those with a more mid focused speaker like the Creamback could solve the issue without being a too drastic change. Even thought I’m curious about the Neo one, I think I’ll benefit from the more efficient heavy magnet Creamback version, which, by the way, is the one I know the most. Do you think this could work, or the Neo or the g12m could work better in bringing out some more mids and smooth out the highs just a little bit (always paired with a greenback)? I think I’ll change one speaker first, and if it doesn’t work still I’ll replace both.

[@StAlRa]

If these first examples are a single SM57 only, why is the signal stereo? Is there a slight delay applied? What's going on?

[@adamsteelproducer]

Two takes, hard panned left and right. Using a single SM57

[@maxxstock]

G12H and Vintage 30 Combined?

[@cgavin1]

V30 is the affordable G12H. That is not an insult either. The V30 is a very capable speaker. Its not a great speaker. But closer than 99% of other options in a Marshall or a Vox ..

[@adamsteelproducer]

That’s simply not accurate at all, I’ve made videos on the history of the V30 and it’s comparable in price, with a very different design and target sound

[@cgavin1]

@@adamsteelproducer Fair enough. I think they sound fairly similar, as all Celestion speakers do really. What I was trying to say was that if you can't or won't pay for the Heritage, get a V30 and its going to tick most of your boxes at a much lower price point.

[@scottdavidson6066]

I can’t seem to find any demos of the G12H30 (55/75 Hz) played clean-like single-note jazz runs. Any chance I could persuade you to make a short demo of that? Many thanks!!

[@adamsteelproducer]

Check out the 6 hour Celestion video we did, there’s a whole ton in there

[@scottdavidson6066]

@@adamsteelproducer I’ll look for it. Thanks!!

[@scottdavidson6066]

@@adamsteelproducer I’d seen that video and re-visited it after seeing your comment. You guys didn’t include those two speakers. Possibly because they’d already been discontinued before you put the video together five months ago? Thanks, anyway, though.

[@nigel900]

The G12H is the only speaker that is 55 Hz, rather than 75 Hz for the others.

[@manipicao]

uh the audio cuts out

[@chrismosquad1056]

I’m only a minute 54 in, and I already got my money’s worth.

[@flor_de_reiger]

Hi, thanks for the nice demo. I have a Blackstar HT5R combo and changed the stockspeaker for a celestion V30. On the clean channel and the volume at max, it is still clean. No natural break up. Is this because the V30 is 60W and my amp only 5W? Will it make a difference if I install a lower wattage speaker like the G12H 30 ? Thanks

[@adamsteelproducer]

Hi Eddy- if your amp isn’t breaking up at max output, that may be by design- some amps just are that way. If you got a 30W speaker, you still wouldn’t be anywhere near making the speaker add breakup either. You may not even be close with a 15W Alnico Blue. Natural amp breakup does seem to be very amp dependent

[@flor_de_reiger]

@@adamsteelproducer thanks for fast reply. Before I also had a vox nt combo with a g12m greenback. I connected this speaker with the BS ht5r and had a lovely nice breakup. Same with the stock speaker (but does not handle the lows very well). I bought the V30 second handed and I don't know how much it has been played yet.

[@adamsteelproducer]

The g12m is a 25W speaker so much more likely to get close to breakup- the V30 is never going to get close without a 50W amp driving it

[@flor_de_reiger]

@@adamsteelproducer well...I guess I've made a wrong speakerchoice :-(

[@mikeindel]

Im sorry but can anybody please do a greenback demo with an amp sound the speaker is meant for ?..not clean..not distortion but amp pushing speaker to breakup !

[@ampegloud]

great pro video !!!!!

[@user-zf3pc4di2j]

and mixing & playing xD

[@waldemarpierzchalski]

On picture is g12h heritage while link is for anniversary version which one is in the video?

[@adamsteelproducer]

The picture is not a Heritage- it is an actual 1978 G12H. The anniversary is the closest model I think you can buy now since they don’t make them in the Kurt Meuller style anymore

[@ampegloud]

Nice

[@FlowtnWitWalden]

playing beings @ 3:18... you're welcome

[@snotmale]

wass going on with the puppet hands?

[@adamsteelproducer]

It's a subliminal message....?

[@guitarwilly81]

Would mixing the 25 and 30s in a 4x12 make sense?

[@adamsteelproducer]

If those are two sounds you want to blend, then sure why not

[@guitarwilly81]

@@adamsteelproducer didn't know if one would be louder than the other, etc

[@adamsteelproducer]

Technically the H 30s would be louder, but if you’re putting mics on a cab in my experience it doesn’t matter at all

[@guitarwilly81]

@@adamsteelproducer no mics, just in room sound

[@adamsteelproducer]

You can still do it, but expect the sound of the H speakers to come across stronger

[@user-ts8bl3qe5t]

Hi! I think I know the answer, but are you using old G12H in this video? there is a 70` anniversary one aswell.. what would you reccomend to put together with v30 in 212 cab to get classic rock/metal sound. I have G12H30 anniversary now, to fizzy, too much highs, but i like bass responce more then in v30..

[@adamsteelproducer]

If you think the G12H30 is fizzy, maybe try the Redback as it’s got that deep low end but more controlled highs. The G12H in this video is a real 1978 model, not an Anniversary reissue

[@user-ts8bl3qe5t]

@@adamsteelproducer I have anniversary one, I saw new/old compare, the new one was bright compare to old aswell. Found you reaback video, going to check it

[@PeteKaltsa]

Isn’t the 30 a black back?

[@adamsteelproducer]

Black backs are green backs with different plastic

[@stiffrichard2816]

I'm tired of hearing about the V30's "harsh mids", it's B.S.. Maybe the way YOU use it with your rig, or what you're expecting from it. It has a pronounced, very "vocal" mid hump similar to what a tube screamer does, warm highs, tight, growly lows, and it strongly imparts that character on your amp. Perfect for a lead player or fattening up single coils. It's similar to the G12H 55Hz but with more grit and mo' louder. The newer 25w does not sound like the vintage ones, that's a fact. They're much brighter and thinner. Not bad, but not the same. The 30w is pretty close to the originals but that aside, don't tell me the China-made Celestions sound the same as the UK, they don't. Guitarists are waking up and not buying overseas-made speakers and putting them in their beloved vintage western-made cabs or anything boutique or pro-level. They're not that much cheaper and it's just not cool. When we think of Rock and Roll, we don't think of some factory in Hong Kong. That's just for rubber toys.

[@michaelskyrealm]

greenback h for me

[@stephenatgraceland]

The H sounds really nice mixed with an Anniversary in a 2x12. Bright but clear and tuneful.

[@soundsokok]

11:13. 9:12. 9:43

[@jaychen2000metal]

Why dont they make a 50w greenback?

[@adamsteelproducer]

Because then it wouldn’t be a greenback

[@adamsteelproducer]

It would be a different sound because of different materials needed to cope with power handling. They did exactly this and named it the “Creamback” so you know it’s different

[@Alexhangman]

How much ohm is the speakers?

[@adamsteelproducer]

All 8 ohm

[@Alexhangman]

Thanks.

[@ivanasin1268]

Can I put a G12H in a 20w amp?

[@adamsteelproducer]

Yes

[@aussie_philosopher8079]

Bro you really need those speakers moving some air to get them in their sweet.

[@adamsteelproducer]

“Bro” you don’t know how loud I was running these speaker setups. It was sufficiently loud. If you don’t like the sound I suggest you’re hearing what they really sound like rather than what your heavily battered ears are telling you in the room with the amp.

[@aussie_philosopher8079]

@@adamsteelproducer ok , my bad mate

[@josepcla]

So, the H30 is heavier than the V30? Hahah

[@Pandamasque]

1:04 four, actually.

[@adamsteelproducer]

I'm not talking about resonance frequencies, rather the more general M and H variants. Actually.

[@Pandamasque]

I was talking about magnet sizes. G12L < G12S < G12M < G12H. Lighter magnets versions were generally forgotten I guess for the very reason you mentioned.

[@adamsteelproducer]

Ok, that’s fair. There’s very little I can find about those speakers from way back when (I have a set of G12Ls but they’re from the 2000s so I figured they were a modern design). If you know of any resources for those speakers from the original greenback release days, I’ll be happy to have a look

[@Pandamasque]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think Johan Segeborn (on KZbin) actually demoed one or both. He seems to own a quite a few vintage cabs and amps.

[@adamsteelproducer]

Yeah but the G12L and G12S I’ve seen are 80s or 70s designs and quite separate from the Greenback conversation, which is what the video (and the original statement) were about. If there’s no concrete evidence of early designs of those, I stand by my statement - in context of the video it’s in

[@amritjanardhanan]

h a e y c h

[@adamsteelproducer]

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