Hornady XTP 240gr Pellet Test

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@rickgoing7027 11 ай бұрын

Being new to muzzleloader. I asked on forums and FB about what to get and the most common answer was XTP’s specifically the ones with the black sabots but when I asked no one would explain what the difference was and why the black over the green. I go to the shop and was handed the green. I say everyone said the black and was told the greens were the biggest seller. I get to the range and experienced what you did with a tight barrel. Sighting in at 50 yards I have my first group of three with two touching in the bull. I load the third and my range rod stopped between 1/8-1/4” above the mark I was able to make on the new clean barrel. I shot and the third hits about 3” high and about an inch right. This continued at the range and I ended up swabbing the barrel every two shots. Fast forward to the opener last week and I long story short shoot a buck twice and it hasn’t gone down yet and gives me the opportunity to make a third shot but I know I need to swab the barrel because I know the bullet won’t seat. I go to swab it and my crud ring grabbed the jag and I couldn’t pull it back out. I am having a mini melt down trying everything I could to pull it out. The deer ends up wandering down the field edge and another hunter put it down. Once I calmed down I realized I could unscrew the rod from the jag and take the breech plug out and push the jag back up and pull it out. When he got down he called me over telling me it’s my deer. I told him it was his since he put it down. He then told me both my shots were killing shots and he anchored it. I took it after I saw where I hit. The next day I shot with a single shot the biggest public land buck I have shot. These were my first and second NJ firearm deer but I have shot about 150 with a bow having bowhunted only since 1991. I will be trying new ammo and powders to find what works best now that I am tagged out.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

Yikes!! What range was the buck? That story another give my pause to using the green sabot. Glad the other hunter was a good sportsman. Good luck with finding a new combo to use.

@rickgoing7027 11 ай бұрын

@@suburbanhunt3653 Gun was sighted in for 50. My one month old range finder crapped out for some reason and gave me no reading. I thought it was 75 but turned out about 100. I held the first BDC line below the cross hair on it and shot. When I got the deer I have no idea how it didn't drop. I hit about an inch below the pocket behind the front leg. I have shot many deer with the bow there and they have been dead in seconds and rarely made it 30 yards. The second shot was same height but back and hit center mass. I took out the diaphragm and stomach which is always deadly but takes a while. It stood for another shot but then the ram rod got stuck. Most have said just switching to BH 209 will eliminate that issue but I haven't been able to find any to try it.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

@@rickgoing7027 dang!! We call those Zombie deer!! Dead but walking around.

@rickgoing7027 11 ай бұрын

@@suburbanhunt3653 I am going to try loose 777 in the fffg configuration because I was told it would burn cleaner and leave a lesser crud ring for the same 100 graisn as the pellets and more than likely get the same speed with about 10-15% less powder which will also reduce the crud ring. What bullet and primer would you suggest to try out of a new Optima V2? I am going to try the 300 grain XTP with the black sabot but not sure what else. I am using the Federal 209 MZ primers but was told they are not good for BH 209. Several people told me to use the 777 at the range and the BH 209 hunting the velocities are close enough not to need to worry about POI changing.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

@@rickgoing7027 the best for me has been the ELD-X and the FTX by Hornady. As for the POI change. Very rifle is different always test first.

@tjsochacki6164 11 ай бұрын

First I’d like to thank you for all you do to inform muzzleloader hunters! I shoot two TC’s and they both love XTP projectiles! You need to measure your bore to make sure you’re using the right sabot for the bullet diameter. I have a TC Encore and a TC Vortex and I only shoot XTP’s with fantastic success! I’ve shot .429 240 gr for a few years with 1” 100 yards groups and two 777 50 gr pellets. The only thing I didn’t like with them is I never got a pass thur but all the bullets I recovered were perfect mushrooms! Now I only shoot 300 gr XTP’s with 1” or less groups at 100 yards! The best shooter is my TC Encore. I shoot three 777 pellets with the black high pressure sabots with 300 gr XTP’s it shoots 1” or less all day long and it’s a hammer on deer! I’ve never recovered a 300 gr XTP and I’ve killed deer out to 205 yards with a rangefinder! I’ve taken a lot of friends to the range and made their muzzleloaders shoot lights out with 300 gr XTP’s. It helps because I was a firearms instructor with NYS Law enforcement. I’ve made the tight green sabots work in tight bores using lube on the sabot but that’s not how it shoot be done! Finally, I don’t know if you know what lapping a barrel is but here’s a little on that with out going into depth. Take some 4/0 steel wool put a piece on your barrel with bore cleaner and push it down the barrel back n forth at least 50 times and continue with new steel wool and lube. Doing it 100 times isn’t too much! That will smooth out you lands and groves so no plastic from your sabot doesn’t leave plastic in your barrel that impedes your accuracy. Don’t give up on XTP bullets because I think they’re one of the best muzzleloader projectiles out there! Good Luck and God Bless!

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

That makes sense. I have other comment saying the similar. I just picked up what Hornady had. One comment listed Harvester Crush ribs sabot and you mentioned the black high pressure sabots. Looks like I have some homework to do. I truly appreciate the information and look forward to testing it. Thank you for watching.

@ianharper1189 11 ай бұрын

@@suburbanhunt3653 my buddy uses a savage smokeless and he uses the 250 grain sst's but he also has to special order the black high pressure sabots. The red ones that come with them dont perform as well.

@geraldstrine7888 11 ай бұрын

The 240 grain XTP is a short bullet with a pretty low BC may not stabilize at magnum velocity's with your twist rate . I would love to see this done with the 300 grain XTP which is longer and a higher BC. I have used the 300 grain XTP years with great results on game. The 3oo grain XTP carries a lot more energy down range than the 240 grain bullets do.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

I will see if I can find them in 300gn. Thanks for watching

@lax0598 11 ай бұрын

I just ran the XTP thru my CVA Wolf 2 pellets pyrodex and Triple7 primer. 1 shot at 50yds 1in low 1in right. 2 at 100yds first shot was a flyer 5in high&right. 2nd shot half inch low from being a bullseye! They make a nice round hole in the paper if nothing else. Overall I have confidence in these. Hornady ELD-X and the old school 250 SST also did well in my test. And by the third shot I really had to push to get XTP down the barrel. Thx for the video!

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

Very nice!! I plan to test out some other sabots to see if that changes anything. . Thanks for watching

@dennisclapp2302 6 күн бұрын

Swabbing your barrel out after every shot ?

@anthonyfanella361 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for adding the velocities to the tests!!!! Shooting Triple 7 Magnum loads (120 gr) with Hornady SST ML 250 gr. For me, this set up works very well out of my T/C.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

You are welcome. I missed out on a lot of valuable data without out it. 🤦‍♂️ But going forward it will be on there I promise. I have had a number of comments about the sabots used by Hornady and how I may need to try a different sabot to get better results. The SST test may also fall into that category. Thanks for watching

@davidkrajnik6296 11 ай бұрын

I use the 300 gr .430 diameter with 2 pellets of pyrodex In my Lyman Mustang Breakaway 209 magnum. I get about 2" groups at 75 with the open sights. Works great for me!

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

I’m curious to know moving up to 300 would make the difference for my rifle. It seems to like the heavier projectiles

@sparkya1629 11 ай бұрын

DJ, thanks for doing that test. I wanted to see how the other pellets and charges would group with the XTP's. I use the green high pressure sabots made by Harvester and buy the.430 XTP bullets separate to make each shot a little cheaper. And to answer your question ,they are a little tight in my Optima V2 LR , but not super tight. I do swab with 91% alcohol/Windex mix and then 3 dry patches between shots at the range. I am only using 2 triple 7 pellets and get around a 1.5" group at 100yds. Thanks again for doing that test with the XTPs 🙂

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for letting me know. It appears that the right sabot is a must with these rounds. I’ll be looking into the harvesters. Thanks for the request. Sorry it wasn’t exactly the right combo.

@kevincolonel3070 9 ай бұрын

When I first got my CVA Kodiak Magnum, I was loading it with 100 grains of Pyrodex pellets using these 240 grain Hornady bullets with the green sabot. My results were very similar to yours. After some research, I found this to be common and that increasing the load to 150 grains further compromised accuracy. The prevailing wisdom was directing shooters to transition to loose powder. I went that route, and now that same bullet and sabot are shooting one inch groups with 85 grains of Pyrodex RS at 100yds. I loved the convenience of the pellets, but the powder enables my CVA to shoot as accurately as a centerfire.

@suburbanhunt3653 9 ай бұрын

That’s awesome to hear. I can’t wait for the dang weather to clear up so I can get into more of the loose powder test. Thanks for watching and letting me know your results. I love getting a general idea of were people land on different combos.

@jameskeim3370 8 ай бұрын

Excellent video, just picked up the xtp with sabots. Know looking forward to going to range with your information. Thanks for the video.

@suburbanhunt3653 8 ай бұрын

Thank you. Look forward to hearing your results. Thanks for watching

@davidkrajnik6296 11 ай бұрын

The magnum xtp bullet is made for higher velocity and is .452 diameter if I remember right.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

I will look into that. Didn’t realize they had a standard and a magnum projectile. So many choices 😖

@leecrumble3921 11 ай бұрын

The mag is .45 cal with only 4 cuts in the tip. They don't like to expand at longer distance.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

@@leecrumble3921 gotcha. Longer? Pass 100 or around 200 yards?

@leecrumble3921 11 ай бұрын

Around 100 they like too pencil through. A guy on modern muzzleloaders d cm test with 50grV blackthorn and 80 to simulate longer range impact velocity.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

@@leecrumble3921 makes sense. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.

@randyjohnson6845 11 ай бұрын

Im setting right now in my tree lounge in Uwharrie National forest with a 12 gauge and a encore 15" muzzle loader pistol loaded with 80 grains of 777 fff loose with a green sabot with a 240 grain xtp...I was probably the first in Florida to use a sabot ...yes 1989

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

80gn in a pistol. I assume that by Volume which is 62ish by weight… ok. At first read I was thinking that was a lot of powder. Still not a small load but not a crazy as I first thought. I’m also in my blind hoping one steps out. Best of luck brother. And thanks for watching

@randyjohnson6845 11 ай бұрын

@@suburbanhunt3653 volume

@ianharper1189 11 ай бұрын

the hornady 250 grain sst with the red sabot slide down my barrel like butter (cva wolf v2)

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

Very nice. I will be test those soon. Thanks for watching

@ianharper1189 11 ай бұрын

@@suburbanhunt3653 thanks for all the great content and information.

@leecrumble3921 11 ай бұрын

Harvester sells crush rib sabots for the .44 might load and shoot better. I shoot them with 100grainsV FFG 777 right around 1860FPS and get around 1" groups.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

Very nice!! I like the idea of getting the projectiles separately then finding the right sabot. I assume that would help the loading stiffness and improve the groups. Question is how do they preform on the animal? Is the expansion worth the work? What’s your experience?

@leecrumble3921 11 ай бұрын

@@suburbanhunt3653 My replies keep getting deleted, lol. They did great on my spike buck last week mid to high lung shot he only went 30 yards with a 123 yard shot. I like that they are cheap I get 100 of them for $45 canucks and 10$ for 50 sabots. I was going to use the Barnes 250 TEz but I was down to my last 2 and they are $50 for 24 so I switched.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

@@leecrumble3921 and that was with the Harvester Crush Ribs!! Nice. I will be on the hunt for those to try. Thank you for that.

@seperego1 11 ай бұрын

Have you ever looked at Fury bullets? Their 320grain Universal .50cal bore size bullet is something id really like to see. Theyre meant to be shot with Blackhorn 209 though, not pellets. The Parker Ballistic Extreme are another bullet id really like to see. Thanks for the great videos!

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

I have not seen or messed with the fury bullet, but I did run across a video last week about the Parker ballistics. In the video the guy showed that they did not expand properly in ballistics gel but that is the only video I’ve seen I have not done any other research. So I will add them to the list and give them a shot. Thanks for bringing them both to my attention and thank you for watching.

@seperego1 11 ай бұрын

@suburbanhunt3653 I just got the .50 cal bore size Fury universal bullets in the mail this evening. Im pretty excited to give them a shot, I dont have the equipment you do but as far as I can tell there is no other billet like them. They are huge! And the disc wad at the back travels with the bullet to the target, they are going to pack a whallop I think.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

@@seperego1 sounds like it.

@davidkrajnik6296 11 ай бұрын

The 44cal. 300 gr .430 diameter has a BC of 245.The 240 gr 44cal has a BC of 205. The xtp Mag. .45cal. .452 diameter 300 gr has a BC of 200 and uses a black sabot.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

Yeah I could see those flying better

@Nate70 11 ай бұрын

Hello friend thanks for your informative videos I know you did a video on hornady bore driver ELD-X I’d love to know the chronograph speed with different pelletized powders,if you’re ever not busy that would be fantastic I just can’t afford a good chronograph right now. Thanks again for all your work with muzzleloaders.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

I have a bullet drop test for the ELD-X that I’m planning to do. I will be running the chrono on that one. I’m really kicking myself for not running the chronograph on those videos. Thanks for watching

@TDINWY 8 ай бұрын

D.J., you need to try some of Cecil Epp's sub-bases with those 150-grain equivalent loads. They take some of the stress off the sabots.

@suburbanhunt3653 8 ай бұрын

Can you provide a link? Muzzleloader.com pull up nothing on a search and the internet pulls up a bunch of not flattering post about Cecil Epps. If you have a link I can use that would help cut through the BS. Thanks for watching

@Frenchbroadcatman. 11 ай бұрын

Looking forward to the 250 grain traditions carnivore video of you make one

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for the reminder. Trying to keep all the request straight.

@jaretthuber 3 ай бұрын

What is the twist rate on the muzzeloader you were using in these tests?

@suburbanhunt3653 3 ай бұрын

1:28

@jaretthuber 3 ай бұрын

What is the twist rate on your muzzeloader you were using for these tests?

@suburbanhunt3653 3 ай бұрын

1:28

@kevinnewsome3012 11 ай бұрын

How about trying the t7 100g plus 1 Star fire 33.3 witch should come to 133.3 g

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

😖 well that’s a thought. Have you ever tried mixing powders? Not sure how I feel about that.

@kevinnewsome3012 11 ай бұрын

@@suburbanhunt3653 I have not tried it yet I am fairly new to the muzzleloader with both being t7 probuct don't really know how it would mix

@kevinnewsome3012 11 ай бұрын

It's probably not a good idea sorry for thinking 🤔 an not knowing for my self .hope u have a great season buddy

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

@@kevinnewsome3012 I’ll do some googling and see what I can find. But off hand not crazy about mixing

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

@@kevinnewsome3012 hey don’t apologize for a thought. I’m sure since both are synthetic and still a powder I would image it would shoot. But given the cost of the Firestars I would rather just run the 150 in T7. But like I said I will look into it and say what the muzzleloader forums have to say about it. Thanks for commenting.

@davidkrajnik6296 11 ай бұрын

That bullet is only designed for two pellets with green wad.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

That would make sense. Based on how it shot. Thanks for info. Thanks for watching

@davidkrajnik6296 11 ай бұрын

They do push down kind of hard.

@suburbanhunt3653 11 ай бұрын

Ok so not just me. But again you are using the 300gn. I’m curious if that helps stabilize the projectile better.. thanks for watching and letting me in know.