Has Citizen just RUINED the TSUYOSA?? New guilloché small seconds

[@yonilasry5027]

For me, it's an absolute banger. I don't share your views on the bracelet. The new one makes it appear higher end than the original one and I really like it!

[@WATCHingJames]

I prefer it to the older model

[@stephen-oconnell]

No, that's not a ruin... that's a pure beauty!

[@davidthom7127]

It's now GORGEOUS

[@finesse49]

I might have been interested if the diameter were 36 or 37mm.

[@gamestar8180]

It's a sport watch not a dress watch.

[@reikhasso]

@@gamestar8180there are plenty of 36/37mm sports watch offerings that wear better than 40mm watches on almost everyone’s wrist.

[@andrzejt522]

Jest ok

[@kiwinacho]

Jest git szwagier

[@joeltroughton3021]

Bro take your baby wrist and move along. I don’t understand everyone’s obsession with tiny watch’s.

[@frankyz007]

Thanks Olivier. This Citizen IS really interesting one!!! One of my favourite brands... 😊😊😊

[@philliprackow7153]

Actually much more interested in this then the oldie. Gonna pick it up next month.

[@Horologique]

Great, let me know how you feel about the bracelet

[@brentwhite9712]

Love the blue one, that is a beautiful watch!

[@daidojiuji9276]

I like this better than the old one.

[@stephen-oconnell]

Me too!

[@dunderhay9169]

Thanks for reviewing 👍 Lovely dial, but I am another who wishes the case was 37-38 and bracelet narrouer.

[@pvp1976]

Thanks for your great review and details on fit and the bracelet. Was waiting to hear what you thought before buying it.

[@Horologique]

Thank you, I'm flattered 👍. If you have the chance test it for yourself to make absolutely sure 😁

[@AJB1702]

Great, fair review as always. Merci!

[@Horologique]

Merci 😁😁

[@crashtest4585]

What Movement is in the Zelos used in comparison?

[@Psysso]

ETA/Peseux 7001 with Côtes de Genève Engraving and Blued Screws ... Milles ahead of this citizen. For me the biggest turn off is the 8 series and the price point, the dial is fabolous though. Would pay 350 , but for almost 600 naaaah, can get 9 series or even 9 series GMTs for that money with refined bracelets.

[@Vexterian]

Seiko, are you looking at this ?

[@JaySquaredNY]

Size looks perfect to me, and I actually prefer the revised bracelet, especially the taper. What I’m not sure is if I prefer the recessed crown in the previous version. Otherwise, the new dial and small seconds definitely elevate this Citizen way above its class and price point. Great review!

[@Horologique]

Thank you!

[@poolsidejones]

Superb review, are the seconds hands moving backwards at 07:00 😁

[@Horologique]

Thank you! They are, editing trick 😁

[@johnvandeven2188]

I disagree on the tapered bracelet idea. I own watches where some are tapered and others that are the same width all the way round. Having a non-tapered bracelet will give the watch much, much better weight distribution and helps stop the constant pull and rotation of the watch head on the wrist. This is one point I am firm on. The second hand background is silver and would look much better balanced if the background is the same colour as the remaining dial. I also am a big fan of having at least a date complication, perhaps even a day & date complication.

[@gabytro]

Disagree! Tapered would have looke WAAY better. And I don t understand how the non tapered helps with the watch rotation on the wrist. It has nothing to do with the rotation

[@itsteaoclock629]

Any idea what's the maximum wrist size it could fit?

[@odinwotan4442]

Where is the lens for the date on your "old" tsyosa ?

[@patricj951]

I like the watch. But I agree about the bracelet. With almost no tapering it looks a bit too dominating on the wrist. But maybe not a deal breaker.

[@Dunkelheit_Schwarz]

I hope they'll release a 37 or a 38mm version. 40mm on an integrated bracelet is still too large. Great review tho! It was really interesting to compare. Also not a big fan of the new bracelet on the new version.

[@Horologique]

Thank you so much, glad to know it was useful 👍

[@springbay1]

I'm not a fan of the pressed clasp of the old bracelet. I think the new one give a nice 70ies feel that suites the dial. Btw, I think something is wrong with your old Tsuyosa. It's counting time backwards at 06:53 😅

[@Horologique]

Both are, the editor put that video in reverse

[@raikyoto2778]

OMG someone finally said it about the crown 👑 in the old one. It's been annoying AF to set this watch and date because of it. So much that I avoid wearing it most times.

[@Horologique]

It had to be said 😊

[@RomeVamp]

Thank you for the video ! as usual ! .... amicalement Olivier ...

[@MB-jn5zi]

I love it but want an Eco Drive version 🙏

[@baloosd]

5:14 at 6 maybe?

[@christianaviles2199]

Does seem odd to have a quick release system if you have a proprietary bracelet unless you're planning on offering more straps/bracelets. I do think at 37-38mm this watch would be a huge winner. That dial is amazing.

[@Horologique]

I hope they will be offering more strap options 👍

[@fredochinaski9968]

Still goooood review.bravo.

[@DaveYoakum]

You didn’t touch on losing the date complication with the new model.

[@enmovimiento3766]

Estaba pensando comprarlo y revisarlo pero me quedé con más dudas que antes viendo tu video bro. Un abrazo Oliver.

[@Horologique]

Qué bueno Byron! Si lo puedes ver en una tienda y probarlo es lo mejor, ya que no va a todas las muñecas. Un abrazo igualmente

[@Jeff1701A]

How solid is the butterfly. I had a watch that would drop off all the time.

[@Horologique]

It's good, it hasn't dropped in me yet after almost 2 weeks of continuous wear

[@GaeThanos60]

Great video, but what do you think about this watch against the prx. They are similar and even if the prx is pretty much better all around I think , is it 2x times better for the price which is doubled? I’m trying to understand if the extra 400euros are worth it or just mainly branding.

[@Horologique]

Thank you. The PRX is arguably a better watch (80 hours of power reserve, better bracelet) but this is by far the better deal. If it were my money I would go for this one, although be wary of the bracelet issue

[@jroark101]

If they could make it smaller it would be amazing for price. That dial is 🔥

[@16jan1986]

We need this as titanium with same dial texture and center second

[@andyfrizzell4352]

Really chase PRX. Make it Eco Drive for $220

[@michaelj8793]

I think that I'm going to wait on the hype to fade all together before I pull the trigger on this small seconds maybe even second hand pun intended Hope that you and your family enjoy this Easter holiday Big Daddy Be well my friend Thanks for sharing as always 👍

[@Horologique]

Thank you so much my friend! Happy Easter 👍

[@ozmondos]

I wish they put their 9 series movement in this one, but they probably didn't because it would raise the price.

[@edmccracken7378]

not sure why all youtubers get so caught up with bracelets tapering down / i like a thicker bracelet

[@brianmsahin]

Thanks Olivier, it's got a lovely dial but +17spd is far too much for a watch costing nearly €400 retail. I'm over the integrated bracelet fad at this stage so maybe that's why I'm less than excited about this. My 6 Ali Express watches all have better time keeping than this.

[@karlsenula9495]

Wait for it to come down in price and perhaps get on the grey market.

[@curry67]

4000 usd seikos dont promise better accuracy so its not bad lol

[@grahamyoung622]

the small seconds which you show here is absolutely STUNNING? The óld tuyosa looks positively boring in comparison

[@desiboii]

Citizen should introduce more colours!!!

[@Horologique]

A green would be cool 😁

[@Adrian_3006]

I see the Tsuyosa totally following the PRX storyline TBH 😉😅.

[@karlsenula9495]

I like the dial of this one better. I like the bracelet of this less.

[@Horologique]

That about sums it up 😊

[@karlsenula9495]

@@Horologique hopefully Citizen will listen and offer this dial on the other Tsyuosa's bracelet. Happy Easter Olivier.

[@stefpix]

@@karlsenula9495the problem is that the new small seconds Tsuyosa has wider lugs and wider center links. Citizen would have to redesign a new bracelet

[@drvivekmallan]

Great review, have the same gripes. I'll remove that horrendous bracelet on day 1

[@etebol]

I love the small seconds and the new bracelet. Very masculine.

[@emeenattoor]

The Zelos Nova launched at $749 USD which was also a steal!

[@Horologique]

Launch price, retail was close to $1000 and with taxes you were looking at a 1100€ product

[@emeenattoor]

@@Horologique launch price was $749 for a whole month during which they sold out. If there was any stock left the retail price would have been $899. I got one on launch $749 all in no extra taxes.

[@Tony-z3r2w]

Thank you... If im.buying an automatic, i want to see that sweep nicely not in a tiny circle.... The original tsuyosa is still king

[@TrevorSchneider]

How did you get the original wothout the cyclops looks so much better

[@Horologique]

These are the new EU versions. Here's the info: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnazeWmQnLaboK8

[@anthonyjarrad141]

Personally I have an 8" wrist so the sizing changes don't affect me, however now that it is a no-date with a more interesting dial, Citizen has my attention (previous version I am not interested in, autos with date complication, who has the time 😂)

[@daniellondon6310]

It has a similar (not 1 to 1) look to ‘The Citizen’ watch with a Caliber 0200 that is much more expensive

[@Horologique]

Yes, it is indeed a nod to that one. I really hope they had gotten inspiration from that bracelet

[@DragosDreamer1989]

Its better then the initial Tsuyosa, imo... That bulbous cyclops window and, let's be honest, plain dial just wasn't enoush. This however looks much more elegant and refined.

[@Horologique]

It does, my only complaint is the bulky and non tapering bracelet

[@skyd8726]

Does it tell the time? It isn't "ruined".

[@Brian-of4iw]

Can stop the second ?

[@Horologique]

Yes you can

[@Brian-of4iw]

Thanks. better then old type.

[@MRbeqa100]

Lift angel of Miyota 8000 series is 49 not 52 correct it and check again on timegrapher

[@Horologique]

Doesn't make a difference at all on the result

[@mountainhobo]

To me the small seconds being a different color than the main dial is a misstep. I love small seconds, but prefer them understated. This small seconds subdial is too loud (on a dress watch). Also, Citizen, dress watch at 40 mm is not right. Make it 37-38 mm. For reference, I have a 7.25" wrist, 2.25" projected on flat surface (the latter is really the only wrist measurement that matters).

[@anandmorris]

Holy shit!! I love small seconds.

[@kaanhancioglu3549]

i hope the bracelet will change in time

[@musik4u343]

Agreed....that new bracelet is terrible

[@ronb4115]

6:50 tenet

[@chaingangritesh]

I agree

[@AlexanderB.]

Nah, I really I like the original Tsuyosa. But this new one dues nothing for me. The old bracelet was perfectly fine, why did they feel the need to bulk it up and to make the polished parts way more prominent? I also think the guilloche doesn't suit this kind of watch. It's worth noting that Miyota 8 series keep great time when you regulate it well.

[@Horologique]

Yes it does, and it's a real workhorse, the kind to last 30 years without maintenance. This one is more refined and is not as noisy as the 8210

[@asdfyxcv1100]

The biggest flaw of this watch is - like with most affordable "sports watch" or "GADA" or "ingrated bracelet" watches, its height. Without the bracelet, the Tsuyosa looks just like any other hockey puck genta-inspired watch. If the affordable brands were able to shave off 3-4mm of those I'd buy one but 12mm is a diver... I always get excited when I see the watches from a top angle, and disappointed from the side or below because I then see that "hanging belly" case back. Only brand I can think of right now who manage to make the case actually as flat as it looks are Formex with their Essence model...

[@Khrann]

Dude, the Essence is a 1,5k watch. Ask Formex to create a 350€ Essence with a mechanical movement, let's see if they can keep it at 10mm or less.

[@asdfyxcv1100]

@@Khrann can agree on that, although I would still count 1.5k as affordable when other offerings managing sub 10mm start past the 10k mark

[@Khrann]

@@asdfyxcv1100I’m not saying the Formex is overpriced, but besides the name on the dial, there are usually- to an extent - reasons why a watch costs 5 times another watch. It’s kinda like laptops, the thinner and lightweight they are, the more they cost. Sophisticated engineering does not come for free. It’s like whining because a random 300 bucks laptop is heavier and thicker than a 1,5k MacBook Air. I mean this Citizen comes at half the price of the Tissot PRX, has the same materials, an equally complex dial pattern and an honest mechanical movement, I don’t really know what we can desire more (apart from other colors). Yes it could be a little thinner and yes it could be 38mm instead of 40 but come on, its price for value is FAR better than the PRX or any other Genta watch type with similar specs.

[@linusgrant1172]

No date😕

[@RohanKalyanpur]

I hate the bracelet. Looks like they just didn't want the Tissot style flat links (which look so good) since the watch head resembles Tissot since people would have called them out for copying. I hope Citizen comes up with other color leather straps for this. The Dial is otherwise gorgeous.

[@thomaswelcomer8443]

There are no "correct" answers to style. Some like one style, some like others. It's a very personal choice. One thing is almost universal... that's a pretty watch!

[@appjresq]

Size is perfect... I would even like it a mm larger... one day there will only be watches that fit women's wrists... I just hope some watch makers keep ignoring the call for smaller watches so there will be something left for those who have a medium to large wrist... I couldn't wear a 37mm without it looking like my wife's watch.. I just can't get on board with the cry for smaller diameter watches ... just sharing ... not judging..

[@kennethg9277]

And yet your wrist is almost certainly objectively too small for the watches you've apparently been hoodwinked into preferring. I have an above-average-thickness wrist, and can wear mens' watches as small as 35mm without any psychological distress, although this may have something to do with my massive cojones

[@KabobHope]

Two words: Vintage sizing

[@vael_]

@@kennethg9277 We all have different preferences and wrists / hands. I for one have massive palms compared to the length of my fingers together with a slim but wide wrist. My Orient Kamasu which sits at 41.8mm looks small when I'm wearing it. I'm essentially a very stubbily and wide built man, I would look crazy wearing anything below a 40mm watch. We don't all have the same body and therefore can't fit the same clothes, same principle.

[@Boankofa]

I'm curious. Got it for a bargain but I'll see if I fall in love with it.

[@vadergrd]

i love the new citizen

[@maxwellmcdowell3744]

Why block that beautiful dial design with that ugly second hand cut out? Ruins the flow of the guilloche. 😢

[@Horologique]

I get you, I'm on the fence for this one

[@ThiHaGadgets]

The movement itself is a bit of let down for the price. Citizen could have used 900 series.

[@Horologique]

I don't worry too much about the movement, although it would have indeed given us a thinner watch. I worry about the bracelet that's too thick and untapering

[@ThiHaGadgets]

@@Horologique It looks like Cartier tank must xl's bracelet. The only movement that annoys me among my watches is cheap citizen watch. Always 1 to 2 minutes off a week. With that price range, they can definitely put higher movement but too bad.

[@HülaguHan63]

No… It got better

[@matteddie1717]

I wish they released more full gold options. The red dial face sucks.

[@babybrocute]

The funny is the beautiful dial by citizen looks like 2024 rolex 950 platinum case Prestige and refinement i feel like rolex copy this watch.

[@vael_]

This watch doesn't really speak to me, wish they had made the lugs a bit wider to square up the case a bit, moved the crown to 3 o' clock or 4 o' clock and then skipped the small seconds in favor for a traditional seconds hand. The dial pattern is awesome but the small seconds ruins it for me. I also think the bracelet is a downgrade minus the butterfly clasp, so many weird decisions made when it comes the design on this thing.

[@ronaldannis5988]

not a fan of the off second hand and no date or the price 3 hundred bucks would be plenty for that watch

[@mykytaradko5776]

Is there any way you can speak even slower?

[@Horologique]

Certainly, go to settings and set the speed to 0.75x or slower, suit yourself 😂

[@daniellehotsky1776]

You kidding right? Ruined? TF man?

[@dixon_est]

Stamped guilloche (as in all low costs watches) costs nothing. Guilloche is only remarkable, when it's cut. So, the price comparison due to that is not valid.

[@scyllaserrata5114]

I love the dial sooo much. But man, that seconds counter sucks!!! Would be better off without it +/- a small date window to the right like the original.

[@gabytro]

Bro wtf? The clasp is signed. Turn the damn thing on the other side 🤦‍♂️

[@zillsburyy1]

watchchris likes it

[@searchandsave142]

Too big and too bad with such an interesting design

[@micaljimenez7381]

I dont like little second,make more boring and without life,but i dont think they kill the tsuyosa,there is a lot of customer who will love it...do you know why in the new tsuyosa they dont put the rolex bubble for the date?i love the new salmon but will be cool too with the bubble like the first model...

[@TouzeenHussain]

Still prefer the PRX

[@Sebdtudio]

La langue des maitres

[@florinstefan777]

Nice,but older model is better

[@mmilasm]

clickbait

[@kaltunmadran4550]

Small seconds is a shit!

[@JoeSmith9021090210]

Your affiliate links go to entirely different watches? No one has mentioned this?

[@Horologique]

Some might be off, thanks for letting me know, I'm checking all of them. Which one were you looking for?