Horrifyingly Average - The Haunting of Bly Manor

So I watched The Haunting of Bly Manor and... it wasn't what I'd hoped for. Join me as I break down the spiritual sequel to The Haunting of Hill House.

[@TheCriticalDrinker]

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[@a.r.hollowayauthor7210]

Happy Halloween to you too my friend :)

[@trinaq]

Hope that you have a Spooky Halloween, Drinker! 🎃🦇👻

[@marcussoyka6434]

Love your shit man. If you haven’t seen it you should watch brightburn and do a video on it. Highly underrated and a breathe of fresh air with some decent gore and good story. I’d like to see your take on it.

[@BucketHeadianHagg]

*Ive been binge watching your channel for the last FIVE HOURS!!!* Thank you for the hilarious work! Love your shit!

[@BucketHeadianHagg]

omg! i didnt know you had BOOKS!! (im new to the channel .. ) Gonna check it out, right now!

[@D2attemp]

Every time they said Lady of the Lake all I could think was: Strange Woman lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government

[@eddiebruv]

“Stop the oppression”!

[@johnprice5784]

@@eddiebruv" Oh I'm being repressed"

[@marcusgaunt8222]

Me too!

[@johnemac9621]

That one short piece of Python was better than this entire series.

[@peterson88keyz]

"I didn't know you were called Dennis"

[@Mumblix]

"They sleepwalk and change personalities by the minute and stare at things that aren't there." They're cats?

[@Soridan]

@Emiscary1 they crash into things often enough for me to believe that.

[@demonkingbadger6689]

Cats dont change personalities, they are always indifferent

[@L_ZeD_117]

@@demonkingbadger6689 I dunno, have you ever tried to per a cat for 3 seconds and he's all affectionate and purring, then at 3,01 seconds (mileage may vary from cat to cat) he's biting and scratching you like he wants to murder you?

[@steveperks602]

@@L_ZeD_117 Ah, so you've met my girlfriend's cat too?

[@kingofnothing8644]

My cat sleepwalks!

[@MicahDarkFantasy]

Oooh, what’s next? A huge debate with MauLer? Because he seems to REALLY love this!

[@kossettereaditte7552]

That's be a good debate

[@kossettereaditte7552]

They're friends arent they?

[@yukothefantasmknight3183]

Oh, he DOES love this! On Twitter he says Mike Flanagan made a... “beautifully haunting masterpiece.”

[@Satanxv666]

@@kossettereaditte7552 they won't be after this ha ha

[@Unformed8]

That is what I was expecting, Mooper will definitely have a word to put in on this conversation

[@LordSpink]

This is bang on! The 1st was brilliant, the 2nd....well....I wish they'd played the last 5 minutes of the last episode in the beginning episode: "this is not a horror story, it's a love story".....would have saved me a bunch of time.

[@jamiekarila3167]

Yup. I was a little pissed at that. I had such a hard time getting thru the last two episodes. And she walked, and she slept, and she walked, and she slept.

[@eddielombardo]

Sounds like someone was inspired by Crimson Peak.

[@Lazarus178]

That's something I really appreciated about Crimson Peak: in like the first or second scene we get Edith telling her publisher "It isn't a ghost story; it's a story with ghosts in it--they're more like a metaphor for the past," and you know immediately to reset your expectations. And then that ended up still being plenty creepy and unsettling. Bly Manor by contrast was such a bait and switch.

[@osc-oldschoolclips5204]

Yeah I like romance. I hope everyone does like at least some elements about romances, but yes I did expect something totally different before watching this show. I was disappointed

[@pete3011]

I thought the first one sucked, I couldnt have cared less about that moronic family. I'm surprised to see it getting praise around here. Both eventually turned into "well, I hope a few of these idiots die and I get to watch it" deals. I wouldn't have spent the time on this one if I'd know they were by the same people.

[@HasanibnSabah]

#stunning #brave casting decisions. Who knew rural 1980s England was so...vibrant!?

[@ocaptainnc]

I was expecting “man with glowing eyes” to be described as “6 foot Jawa” 😂

[@johnsnow04]

Also there is a missed opportunity about making E;R joke there.

[@jignaciovitale3460]

Robert Smith in the "boys don't cry" videoclip.

[@Mansini77]

It was such a letdown when Dani threw his glasses into the fire, and he was no more. Umm...okay.

[@michaelpipkin9942]

Ta' may-teeeeeee. I found it difficult to spell the sound that they make.

[@AdityaSingh-lp5rp]

First thing I saw

[@professionalspecialist5780]

The man with the glowing eyes is clearly E;R Oh no! I referred to He Who Shall Not Be Named

[@MirandaSinistra]

Congrats you're now a nazi.

[@silverfox8209]

@@MirandaSinistra You didn't want it, you didn't ask for it...

[@DeusExMau5]

Heresy

[@jebalitabb8228]

E;R has never said anything wrong, all of his statements are completely true

[@amanibob1416]

"Ma-Rey Suuuuuueeeee!" Glowee Mceyee

[@tanisdevelopment]

Wasn't the replacement for John Connor in Terminator: Fark Dat also called Dani?

[@rooksclown316]

I think she was

[@michaelhansen8959]

Haha, you're right. Enough dani's Go away now!

[@salernolake]

@@michaelhansen8959 ... and don't forget Daenerys (a.k.a. "Dani") Targaryen !!! 😁

[@michaelhansen8959]

@@salernolake go away!!! Haha

[@tastycookiechip]

@LTNetjak Yeah but at least Midsommar was great

[@kbubblingtime]

The scariest thing about bly manor was how long I spent on each episode trying to find all the background ghosts.

[@MM-xn6tn]

"If I went around telling people I was an emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away." - Dennis the mud peasant, 1975

[@javiecija96]

I would really like to hear Tatiana's opinion on film criticism.

[@clevelandbrown4571]

While she's doing a lap dance

[@6ixlxrd]

I'd love to hear her 9 hour opinion on why objectifying women is wrong. Although I'd last on 3. Mins.

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

For 50 bucks you can...

[@senorpepper3405]

Not me. I wanna see some crevasses.

[@DM-pu5yu]

Wait, a Netflix show with lesbians in it?!? Imagine my shock

[@lewecusgame7598]

Wow

[@u4yk]

I had my money on gay male.

[@pizzabinge]

The gays are so 2010. I was expecting a pink haired non-binary troll and a trans kid.

[@chadpowell1832]

When a characters underdeveloped Say it with me guys “Make then gay!”

[@ashdam9561]

In defense of the show a little bit here, the gay thing was interchangeable, they almost had Oliver Jackson Cohen (peter quint) play the gardener, but they changed it last minute because it would be too weird considering they played twins last season, at least that's what's been reported

[@kevinoneil5120]

And here I thought the next Drinker vid would be addressing the "stunningly diverse" actress chosen to try and keep the CW's Batwoman alive. ...the article that I saw announcing the change actually used the word "stunning."

[@EndOfSmallSanctuary97]

@Joe Blow To be honest, this honestly doesn’t seem like it’d be that far-fetched at this point. Which is horrifying.

[@andrewbarge3461]

This is clearly some usage of the word stunning I was previously unaware of

[@chadpowell1832]

@Emiscary1 “has the meaning of the word stunning changed in the last 100 years ?” - an edited avatar quote

[@efe_aydal]

U forgot Dani from Terminator Dark Fate. Must be the name of an important person in the secret feminist cult.

[@kelcastle7645]

I came here to say the same!! They like the name Dani because: -" They stand and FIGHT!!!!!" And don't miss a watermelon!

[@LordHoth_90]

The nickname of their dragon queen

[@kylevernon]

Because it’s the most Butch Lesbian name that’s why.

[@TheFourthWinchester]

They all wanna piggyback on the strongest and best female character of the decade - Daenerys Targaryen aka Dani.

[@ericdodson2644]

Maybe they should have called it, "The Haunting of Blah Manor."

[@darrellcovello7917]

Well played

[@khfan4life365]

Or “The Haunting of Blah Meh-nor”.

[@Sir-Raph]

Bly feels more like a market tested project that tried to appeal to a wider audience by being a hybrid of genres. It was fun looking for the secret ghosts hidden in every other scene; like some kind of "Where's Waldo" Bly edition... but one single episode of Hill House had more genuine scares in it than an entire season of Bly.

[@thathandsomedevil0828]

The opening sequence of the first season of american horror story freaked me out more than most horror shows today.

[@deadlyninja112]

Shitty ass forced shoe horned useless love story plots

[@chadpowell1832]

@@deadlyninja112 yes! The love story was so boring and took away from the horror

[@Archonsx]

Not to mention better writing and better characters that bind together to create a masterpiece of a plot, bly manor is complete trash compared to first season.

[@ethandalton6480]

@@deadlyninja112 if you'd actually watched the show, you'd know it wasn't shoe horned in

[@BojangleBaggins]

Gotta give it to E;R for that standout performance! Can’t wait to see what he does next.

[@Mj0Skyver]

When I first saw the mirror ghost in episode 1, I immediately thought, "Wait, did E;R just make cameos on this show?" Glad to know I'm not the only one to notice E;R's "involvement," haha.

[@p0rq]

@@Mj0Skyver Haha same

[@oneofyus3799]

When he got isekaied by a bus I died laughing.

[@nelsonthegentleman2756]

I was waiting for his ghost to yell "MAAA REEEEEY SUUUUUUUUUUUUUE!"

[@icycrusader1947]

Someone's gotta tear down awful lesbian characters and he's willing to do it.

[@Snakedude4life]

They give female characters male sounding names so they can set up this at some point: “Yes, I am [profession\Higher level job position].” “Oh I was expecting a man.” “OOH?! Because I’m a WHAMYN?!” “No, because of the male sounding name.” Thank you for coming to my Ted talk. Gib me, clout. 🐍 💀 no step on SNEK! 🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@nautdead3197]

/applauds wokeness So stunning so brave

[@venator0405]

Your snake won't save you when your foe will step on it regardless.

[@trinaq]

Yes, it's SUCH an overdone cliché by this point, particularly if their names are Alex, Sam, Mike, Jack, or Nick! 🙄

[@canaldecasta]

When i was playing Death Stranding, at the beginning of the game they talk about "The president" and a few minutes in theres this "-her?+Yes, the first female president" Like it was some sort of boom gotcha. Too bad i had spanish subtitles on, and it show "presidenta" at first. Yep, i rolled my eyes.

[@Snakedude4life]

@@canaldecasta I’m going to miss that. In the future, you know they’re going to push all gendered languages to be “gender neutral.”

[@alphacause]

The Haunting of Bly Manor is what a haunted house series would look like if it was written by Nicholas Sparks.

[@khfan4life365]

Nicholas Sparks is a better writer than the writer of this tripe.

[@JordanKane97]

It was written by Laurie Penny, she’s a lunatic

[@RegisTraiter]

"If you get infected with tuberculosis you can just choose not to die." Arthur Morgan: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?!!

[@176bammm]

No! But you'll spread it around worse than COVID19...T/B is highly contagious...If you work in a Hospital setting, all staff are tested like every Quarter, or if you breached a isolation room quarantine without proper PPE....

[@haydeng3316]

to be fair, the lady of the lake laid in bed all day. Arthur was essentially an outlaw to the end, probably resting less than he was before his diagnosis once everything went tits up.

[@khfan4life365]

From what I’ve read about pre-antibiotics tuberculosis, 25% of people who got it would go into remission and then relapse and die, but we never saw Viola ever go into remission. When you had TB in those days, you couldn’t just choose not to die. You either got the illness and died or got the illness, went into remission, relapsed, and then died.

[@leonvnex]

F

[@frde2190]

It was in like 1899 so they couldn’t have fixed it probably

[@trinaq]

I agree with the Drinker's critique. Hill House was scarier, and more family focused, making the chills effective. Bly Manor WAS decent, but more centred around romance, lacked any powerful chills, and seemed to take FOREVER to wrap. 😁

[@ElizabethD33]

Yeah, I came to bly house to be scared not to watch spooky maury povich

[@user-mb9nm7bq5e]

Bly manor was definetly a love story more than a ghost story

[@chrisscott3071]

Not even just that but nothing is explained till the last episode and the explanation felt hollow.

[@ElizabethD33]

@xr7fan i think that it should have had a little more time in the writing room. Don't get me wrong, it has its strengths and does them well, just not the scares. It all felt a little too flat for my tastes.

[@chrisscott3071]

@Emiscary1 it pretty much is but it was fairly weak. Honestly the whole season was a let down

[@thepaladinauthoryoutube]

I'm starting to notice Drinker has several versions of "Go Away Now" for his reviewer persona's outro and it works for each context. When it's a bad film either by sheer lack of craft or hubris and arrogance, it's spiteful and clearly more directed at the film than us. But he's saying it to us like "don't bother giving this shite any more of our time." When the media is middling or could have been good, it's more like he went into aramble thay revealed his deeper more intellectual side, and then wakes up as if to say "well what do you want? You heard my two cents. Get outta here." When it carries heavy or tragic context or subject matter, it's like the drunken character went into a long speech revealing his deeper more sensitive side because of the drink, and he realizes it too late and says it like "just leave it and me alone to forget." Like a guy who tells an estranged family member that he really does care when his guard is down. And when the media is good or genuinely interesting, it's more playful, sarcastic and with a smile like "all right you lot, go and enjoy ourselves now." Unexpected depth from a perhaps unexpected source...or perhaps not so unexpected. Hehheh thanks for reading. GO AWAY NOW!

[@ZlatnoPeroTV]

You're gay.

[@thepaladinauthoryoutube]

@@ZlatnoPeroTV I am? News to me.

[@MarcAlcatraz]

Mark my words, the Haunting of series is going to go the way of Stranger Things, where everyone loves the first season then it tries to capture the same magic over and over until the third season where no one gives a crap anymore

[@txbuzzkill6276]

@Mr. Censored No... it's ruined.

[@txbuzzkill6276]

@Mr. Censored The third season WAS unbearable to watch.

[@txbuzzkill6276]

@Mr. Censored I don't think I got to the lesbian girl, I take it it's the one that worked with him? I only know about her from memes. I tolerated the second season, but it was a chore to get through. I think I made it [struggled] through 3 episodes of season 3. I did really like season one. If you're a fanboy... you're a fanboy, I won't be watching season four.

[@txbuzzkill6276]

@Mr. Censored You're the one that stated it's become political trash, as soon as you bring sexual preference to light , it becomes political trash. I didn't see the lesbian part of the show... you did. Sorry to trigger you... but that's life in the real world.

[@tahunuva4254]

Same with the umbrella academy. :( Great first season, mediocre to poor second season. If it's as painfully bad as stranger things haz become, season 3 will be worth a skip.

[@razrentals8897]

How’d the lady in the lake kill the two dudes within seconds of grabbing them by the throat, but she managed to carry the main character around for a few minutes and she just got up like nothing happened?

[@6699faisal]

Exactly, this scene basically ruined it for.

[@andrewhawking1261]

It's coz the main character got whamen's power! Didn't you go to your patricrachy seminar lately?

[@killjoy117007]

@@andrewhawking1261 its just plot armor..

[@poslednisoud]

It takes place back in the day where lesbians had immunity to ghost damage so she just got stun locked. They fixed that in later editions.

[@idonhaveanyideawhattocallm1472]

Must've been skipping hand day at the gym

[@darrellcovello7917]

"The first season was okay, but there were too many white people." -- Every critic, probably

[@poppag8281]

@@geoffok uhhhh no one said that

[@jacotromp59581]

Hill House is Flanagans masterpiece. Bly manor is his first snooze fest. You can truly feel studio influences on this season.

[@kendrake3993]

It’s the woke people in black. “Ooh something is successful?? Time to inject woke politics!!”

[@kendrake3993]

@@jacotromp59581 wearing black! Not black people. Joke went way over your head

[@jameshammer8131]

It was a hardly snooze fest. Even the drinker did not think it was that bad.

[@wilpuriarts5895]

Maybe not snooze fest, but incredibly frustrating. The good parts were sprinkled very far apart.

[@jacotromp59581]

@@wilpuriarts5895 one thing I will give this season is the acting, wow, it's great. Especially from the cleaning lady (don't know her name), but she is amazing

[@Kahnovitch]

Danny looks like Brie Larson, but with more ham and less plank.

[@popeurbainii7807]

My thoughts exactly

[@047Kenny]

Lmfaoo

[@dhrgkbqxtjr2743]

If you guys don't know this actress, you need to start watching "YOU" on Netflix starring Penn Badgley. She's in the second season and I love her. Trust me, you will thank me. Addictive series.

[@trinaq]

I agree, Victoria Pedretti DOES look a lot like Larson, especially with blonde hair. However, she's a talented actress in her own right, and definitely a star on the rise! 🌟😍

[@ElizabethD33]

Well, she's nowhere as mean spirited as Larson and that's a plus

[@carissaluttonmovietalk]

Finally, someone who isn't raving about it.

[@marcinniedzielski6483]

"9 hour discussion about the merits of objectivity in film criticism" sounds like an afternoon with Mauler

[@robsan52]

The Haunting (63' NOT 99'!) was scarefying when it came out. There were no ghosts or monsters just poltergiests or implied 'things' in the house. The scene where the medium is looking at the weird wallpaper while she thinks the other woman is holding her hand creeped the bejesus out of me when I was young in the age of dinosaurs.

[@DocX1000]

The Drinker nails it again. I just finished the series and I came away sadder and more depressed at the show's message than I did frightened. It's more of a story about love loss and betrayal than spooks and one of the characters says as much at the end.

[@blakasmurf]

Hold on... does that mean it wasn't a horror then???? Look up the genre Gothic Romance... Bly is not a horror

[@NRSGuardian]

@@blakasmurf The Gothic Romance genre encompasses a wide range of stories, Frankenstein and Castle of Otranto are Gothic Romances that do contain horror, whereas more recent Gothic Romances tend to merely be Romance novels with a Gothic setting. Considering, The Haunting of Hill House was more of a horror story it makes sense that many people would assume that Bly Manor would be more toward the earlier style Gothic Romances than the later style.

[@johnnynguyen9240]

I’ll say I agree with Critical Drinker. I lost interest after the first 5 episodes.

[@I_Cunt_Spell]

I never had any interest to begin with.

[@Sylvine]

Same here. Watched it till the end, but definitely with recceding interest. I think the problem with that one was namedropped by Flora in the last episode: "This wasn't a ghost story... it's a love story." And nothing wrong with a love story, but I didn't click on The HAUNTING of Bly Manor to watch a love drama.

[@Cynner1111]

@LTNetjak perfect summary

[@mdgeist2373]

Funny I quit the same Time. Still hope after the first two Episodes its getting better. But nope.

[@trinaq]

Fair play to you. I fell asleep the very first time I tried to watch it. The second time, I got through it in three sittings, but even then, it seemed to take FOREVER to actually end! 🙄

[@adamheywood113]

I just finished it a couple days ago. Definitely a step down from Hill House for me. Not scary enough and too predictable. I couldn't really fault the acting and there were some surprises but most of the time I felt like I was waiting for it to kick off and it just... didn't.

[@jchan2299]

I'm actually watching Hill House now after Bly Manor. Night and day. Hill House is much more creepier and scary. Right on the nose about why Bly Manor isn't as good.

[@JackoBanon1]

The first 4 episodes were great! Really creepy and scary. Exactly what I expected. Starting with episode 5 the show took a big turn and switched into a romantic drama with some horror elements while explaining the backstory of the manor instead. And then the whole build up basically fell apart and the tension was gone because everything that happened was explained and explained again and again until the mystery was gone.

[@Para2normal]

So, Bly Manor was supposed to be a retelling of The Turn of the Screw, filmed in 1963 as "The Innocents" one of the most genuinely frightening films I have ever seen. Oh Dear!

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

I don't think it was "supposed" to be anything of the sort. It just took inspiration from it.

[@johnnyappleseed4117]

the creator actually mentioned this. he said that he loved the innocents so much that he didn’t want to “remake” the turn of the screws because it would inevitably be worse. that’s why he came up with a mostly new concept. it doesn’t really follow the plot of the tun of the screw so much.

[@semantics99]

The Innocents is brilliant. Please do a review of that. This is wretched boring schlock stretched waaaayyy too thin, a lot like The Outsider, Escape from Dannemora (which would have been great if it were only the last hour as a film). It’s really disappointing that people making this dreck have to even link it to a classic film (they used the creepy music). If it’s basically barely inspired by the original, change the names to protect the innocent.

[@IronDragon-2143]

Meh is how I feel about almost everything on Netflix.

[@jon4715]

It's all ideological trash. At least the second season of every series turns it up to 11.

[@stevenewby9346]

yep

[@g4sper112]

@@jon4715 exactly. I was so excited for the second season of The Alienist, but the 1rst episode errase any kind of interest I had for that show. And it's a pattern with almost every series; Mindhunter, Stranger Things, Dark S3, The Witcher is probably on the same path... they either have terrible writing or become overloaded with pure ideological propaganda. Or both.

[@jon4715]

@@g4sper112 I think it's a conscious decision to make a pretty clean and entertaining first season, and then turn the second season into propaganda against the established audience. We've seen it happen dozens of times.

[@lewecusgame7598]

Avatar is good. Of course, it wasn’t made by Netflix, nor is it recent. Nothing recent is as good as avatar is.

[@kd9749]

So basically I continue to miss nothing of value after I cancelled Netflix. Good to know.

[@Weightlimit]

Constantly proving that I’m saving money by not having Netflix. Thanks Drinker!

[@Dr._Atom]

I triple dare you: cancel hollywood a whole

[@TheTytoGaurdian]

@@Dr._Atom Covid already did lol

[@DiggitySlice]

@@TheTytoGaurdian nope, they'll use Covid to make people rely on them more like all of the left has

[@DiggitySlice]

Don't support services that don't allow you to own the media you purchase

[@ProgrammedForDamage]

I said to my wife that this series is more a lengthy meditation on love and loss than the supernatural thriller we were led to believe.

[@babybeau8888]

So happy to see this review. Hill house was one of my favourite series, got through 3 episodes of bly manor and couldn't bare to watch any more. Also this channel takes movie/series reviews to a whole other level,

[@7milesdavis]

Yeah I just watched this too. For a while I thought it might go somewhere. It doesn't. They managed to shoehorn in some lesbians though...so mission accomplished! Strong female lesbian has to break free of her straight haunted past. If aliens had to learn our culture from modern TV, they would think everyone is gay.

[@Sarahonwheels]

I think why she was closeted because of her trauma associated with her fiance's death. She was afraid to come out to him because she was afraid of how he would react to it, if she came out to him at the diner. I think he would have been understanding but because she was too scared, he got distressed and died. If you didn't see that coming as soon as that lady touching her shoulders, they gave her huge flags that she wasn't exactly straight.

[@hahahah9527]

The episode about strong female ghost fighting the patriarchy broke me. After that i couldn't care anymore. The last episode made me laugh.

[@vhampyre01]

Yep, that was the point at which I checked out as well. I don't think I even watched the last fifteen minutes of the series... Didn't care.

[@y.a.pthered]

Hang on... How the hell did you read that from that episode😂her attitude is contextually accurate to the times it's set in

[@theblackflame4002]

That didn't bother me because back then there was a patriarchy to fight, so it worked for the time frame. Destroying the patriarchy now in this day and age is the same as the SJW's acting like black people are "oppressed' in this day and age.

[@y.a.pthered]

@@theblackflame4002 wow ur fun at parties

[@shaneyy__]

@@y.a.pthered didn’t he explain your point in further detail? 😶

[@Tony-dh7mz]

I was very impressed at Henry Thomas's acting (The kid from E.T) he completely inhabited the role of an English man, right down to the micro body language, I didn't know he had the chops, great job, The rest of it meh...got bored after the third ep,

[@khfan4life365]

He was amazing in Hill House as well.

[@drlee2]

Henry Thomas was exceptional in this. I think he got overlooked because his character wasn't in it as much as the other main characters, but he gave one of the best performances of the season.

[@Tony-dh7mz]

@@drlee2 agreed,

[@osmanyousif7849]

The man really is making a resurgence.

[@williamdonlon6390]

“You know what the sequel needs? More moody characters. The edgier, more pessimistic the better.” - Netflix

[@jeremybrunk9576]

Thank you for ripping this apart. I feel like I got something back from the hours I wasted on this show.

[@poppag8281]

I thought it was good

[@drhfuhruhurr1899]

The Simpsons already did it with.... "The Re-Deadening" 😁

[@alejoyt8738]

This season of "Haunting" felt lackluster compared to the first one. In S1, every little detail had an implication with a character, ghost, or mansion. Everything was well thought through and they took the time to show it to you, although, in a sneaky almost hidden way, the “broken neck lady” for example. This season, the main ghost made no sense to me. Why is she always returning to the manner? Is it to get revenge on her sister/killer? That's the first thing she did. Is it to be reunited with her daughter, although she doesn't remember her face?... well, she took a boy, that should be enough to calm her, more so when they say she was looking for a child, but couldn´t remember who that child was. And if she was looking for her daughter, why would she give up Flora and possess Dany/Poppins? We never saw that as a motivation for the lady of the lake, so why would she give up the one thing it was clear she was coming to the manner for(her daughter/child)? Or is it to hunt Bly, HER property, so no one else could claim ownership of her old house? If so, why possess Danny and leave the manner? What is the motivation behind that? Season 2 was entertaining, but miles away from the first one. Not as clever, well thought out and put together as Hill House.

[@TheElbowKing]

It doesn't make sense, she accepts Dany's offer just to want to take her over and return to the lake? Maybe she thought Dany would actually have a child instead of living a sjws fanfiction. Also a bit weird she doesn't kill Dany instantly like Peter. The power of MC plot armor!

[@Sylvine]

I think that was kind of the point with the watery bint - she's lost her purpose (as symbolized by her losing her facial features), and all that remained was a vague, malevolent bundle of instinct that sometimes plainly misfired (probably some commentary on the pitfalls of tradition? Had that vibe to me). The reason she went for Danny in the end was because Danny said the "It's You, it's me, it's us" phrase, which the lady remembered as the thing she had said to her daughter (iirc). I am not sure on that, but I think it is implied that Danny is a descendant of her daughter - she and her father left for presumably America after dropping the chest into the lake. So there might also be that. Would make sense for her to try and force Danny into the lake later on, in order to give her descendant the chest.

[@TheElbowKing]

Dany is a descendant? I certainly never felt that was hinted at all. If it was it could go nicely under bad writing and "wacky coincidences".

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

She went into Dani because Dani somehow knew to say the "it's you, it's me, it's us" phrase, that she had heard from Peter and Rebecca, who somehow knew about it.

[@Sylvine]

@@TheElbowKing well it's never explicitly stated, but it's hinted at. Would fit the producer's style, and "wacky coincidence" is tolerable in a show with supernatural elements IMO. The biggest piece of evidence for it, in my opinion, is that Viola says the You-Me-Us phrase in the past to her daughter, making it an obvious heritage-like link, from a storytelling perspective. Would also sorta explain why she's so perceptive to all the ghosts, seeing how they in turm are all linked to Viola by means of her "curse" - in a vague, makes-sense-for-ghost-stories kinda way. I know it's not solid evidence, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's confirmed in an interview eventually. Kinda like the Room Ending in Hill House, which the producer initially intended, but alas just didn't have the balls to follow through with :)

[@ki11aqueen5]

2:04 you forgot to mention Dani from terminator dark shit

[@possummagic3571]

Does Danaerys count?

[@e.r.8710]

@@possummagic3571 Just wanted to post this.

[@toddlee2571]

It was a ghost story (not a scary ghost story) for people who don't really like feeling scared. It's like putting together a jigsaw puzzle because you hoped for a sense of accomplishment or epiphany, and then realized why you don't like putting together jigsaw puzzles.

[@miks301]

"She sleeps. She wakes. She walks." Reminded me just how bad it looks when the directions do Tell instead of Show.

[@ChodaBoyUSA]

You forgot diverse empowered female savior of humanity Dani, in Terminator: Dork Fate.

[@shiftstart]

When you don’t read books growing up, you don’t have the concept of story telling. And when you don’t know how to tell a story, you can’t write a good script. Expect that from any screen writer that’s younger than 42.

[@shiftstart]

The cutoff between Gen x and Millennial is actually 39.

[@Weightlimit]

Great point shiftstart

[@shiftstart]

@Mr. Censored 3.0 What Hollywood needs is big shot actors forming United Artists 2.0. So that Disney and others no longer control story and creative control. This of course is unlikely, since younger generation actors prefer to collect any paycheck Disney and others throw in their way.

[@spaceodds1985]

Haunting of Hill House would have been great... if it didn’t need the filler episodes. As for Bly Manor... watch the 1961 film The Innocents, possibly the best adaptation of The Turn of the Screw.

[@lasura]

Yeah, I immediately thought of the Innocents when I started watching Bly Manor and recommend my mom just watch that instead of clogging through that story drawn over a whole season

[@kieran6417]

I knew I'd seen this story before haha

[@spaceodds1985]

@@lasura And you were absolutely right to recommend that. 👏

[@redskins59rocs]

The Others from 2001 is solid as well, not an adaptation but pretty similar.

[@josephsonderling2384]

He starts going through the plot and I'm just like. Naw, I've already seen The Innocents.

[@rustyshackleford17]

That whole "this wasn't a haunting story, it was a love story" was a bit of a testicle twister at the end of this mediocre season. At first I thought it was them trying to be poignant, but I think it was the writers way of telling you they just hijacked your show and you just watched them shit all over it. It baffled me that the a show would take such a stark turn from themes.

[@claudeagle271]

That line it sounds like an excuse for why the show was so shitty.

[@rustyshackleford17]

@@claudeagle271Who the hell knows. Could be some asshole trying to save face when they realized it sucked...or some artistic hack trying to be deep

[@notatroll9667]

How does it remotely hijack the show or change anything about it ?

[@AscendantCorn]

The writers basically said “what if we take The Turn of the Screw and make it a lesbian love story?”

[@poppag8281]

how is that bad?

[@gailism]

Lol what's wrong with that

[@deespaeth8180]

@@poppag8281 the problem is I was expecting A scary ghost story. The haunting of bly manner felt like bait and switch. I'm expecting something more similar to the work of Henry James. After all, the names, places, and descriptions were taken from the book. They could have just changed the names, locations, and descriptions and written an original story. The characters in the series had little in common with the characters in the novel. I was 😞 disappointed. However, I did enjoy the characterization of the housekeeper, cook, gardener and au pair..... I just wish they'd left out the Henry James aspects and written an original series. The mixing of creepy ghost story and lesbian love story didn't mix well for me. It felt like the writer couldn't make up his mind what he wanted to write about.

[@ScottDeSalvo]

Every female in movies today has a male name. It isn't an accident.

[@instantkarma1636]

It's Dani, short for Danielle.

[@trinaq]

It's usually for the inevitable shock of the presumably male character being revealed to be female, as shown with Jamie. 😁

[@allamericanslacker2378]

I was going to make this comment and saw yours.

[@allamericanslacker2378]

@Arion Noble wtf makes you think I'm a feminist?

[@MirandaSinistra]

Michael Burnham. I hate this trend.

[@Jack72607]

I wasted 2 hours of my life on bly manor and I want them back

[@rudolphguarnacci197]

You can't. Sorry.

[@Jack72607]

Officer Murphy Used my father’s account. No way I’m paying for the crap they produce. I guess the last good Netflix original I saw was actually Hill House over 2 years ago

[@anotherdude9456]

I feel validated when I hear that you in a nutshell felt the same way I did about this show. It left my mind immediately after I finished it and I was completely unexcited about it. Not the 2nd show in this universe I had hoped for.

[@yukitakahashi5739]

The Haunting of Bly Manor spared no expenses, even working in a cameo of E;R at 1:41! Most impressive.

[@zycane]

Early boys in the pub! Time to get hammered while watching some Good content!

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

Your review reminded me that the first season of "American Horror Story" handled this exact same type of material a helluva' lot better back in 2011.

[@theantithesis3358]

You should do a debate with Mauler about this, because he REALLY loved this show. I really enjoyed it too, and would be interested in hearing you two discuss it.

[@TheElbowKing]

I enjoy Efap but they're wrong about this one. Unless suddenly terrible acting and bad pacing are objectable good qualities.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

I don't think Drinker would do too well on the debate, seeing as major issues of his is that it wasn't what he expected, and that he didn't like the ghosts being explained (which Mauler says he liked).

[@jameshammer8131]

@@TheElbowKing Given your previous comments. Your bias fool who get's salty over sjw issues, and has no idea what good acting is. So yes a debate that isnt full of annoying sjw rats like you would be nice.

[@frankjohnson761]

@@jameshammer8131 He's a parasite. I like Drinker, but he has such annoying snowflakes in the comment sections.

[@Don11037]

What did you enjoy about it?

[@khfan4life365]

I feel like the Lake Lady’s backstory episode could have been put earlier in the episode line-up, like Flora tells Dani the story when Dani is putting her to bed or the housekeeper tells Dani the story when they are all sitting around that campfire in ep 4 and they treated it like a legend until the Lake Lady shows up near the end and surprises them all.

[@alanhanley3187]

I literally forgot about The Lady in the Lake until she grabbed Dani, it took me three days to finish the show and I was fast forwarding a lot in the epilogue.

[@meatboy5246]

I think the most haunting thing was hearing 'perfectly splendid' to the point of insanity!

[@d_inkz]

A very heavy handed set-up for an "aha!" moment later of a plot point that was easily guessable long before it happened.

[@losingisntloosing.stopit1396]

The lesbian love angle was telegraphed from a mile away. I actually liked the acting. The ghosts were extremely disappointing. Also why did the possessions allow the ghost to be in control when they're allowed in but Danny controlled hers somehow? Edit: also she leaves the property in Danny's body. Wtf?

[@Sarahonwheels]

I knew what was coming as soon as that lady who was fitting her dress and then the camera showed her touching dani's shoulders.

[@ri3121]

Yeah i agree with the acting. I especially am starting to like Victoria Pedretti more and more after haunting of hill house and You season 2

[@Sarahonwheels]

@@ri3121 i like her too. I didn't realize that she was adult Ellie in hill house.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

Of course she leaves the property. She was the entire reason ghosts COULDN'T leave the property. Because she was a gravity well, or whatever.

[@nita7703]

I think it's mostly because the lady of the lake thought that Flora was her daughter, thus sorta fulfilling her own wish and going back to sleep. And it's literally a plot point that when a ghost is invited inside a human they can go outside (I'm 99% that was the bad guy's plan).

[@anubusx]

The ghost of Dani's boyfriend looks like Kevin from Sin City.

[@reharl4953]

That was probably the writer's inspiration.

[@thedragon133]

If fricking only... that show could have used some unsettling slaughter.

[@defeqel6537]

"Apparently women had it kind of tough in the 17th century" Nah, everyone had it tough, while every movie and series likes to focus on women (especially high born ones) and it gets annoying, since usually the message is "see how abused women were / are, pity us / give us more power", while sexism affected everyone.

[@khfan4life365]

Right? They act like women were the only ones forced into convenient marriages and were mistreated. Men were also forced to marry as well to claim their inheritances (if they had any). Men were also mistreated because they were seen as expendable and killed in wars and the disasters that ruled “women and children first”.

[@Loopisus]

Ok buddy

[@transmeeshax6872]

Yep. People don’t pay attention to stuff like that. It’s weird. It definitely wasn’t any funner to be a dude back in the day. The only people that “male privilege” applied to, if at all, were the uppermost crust of society.

[@KingOhmni]

Woman had homes to run and children to birth. Men had grueling work hour and the distinct chance of being drafted every generation or two. Basically thank fuck we are alive now, both men and women, and not but a mere 75 years ago.

[@RCSVirginia]

Whenever I see a movie with the word haunting in the title, I immediately think of the 1963 film "The Haunting" with Claire Bloom and Julie Harris based on Shirley Jackson's "The Haunting of Hill House." It was--and still is--excellent and far better than any other movie with haunting in its title.

[@HAL-dm1eh]

I don't even have Pedoflix or watch anything that comes out of Hollywood anymore but I still watch you to keep abreast of the latest cinematic situations (which is mostly a nightmare).

[@josephdillard9907]

Jesus christ man, have we really gotten to the point that straight, hetero, and yes i'll say it NORMAL relationships just aren't allowed on tv anymore?

[@MirandaSinistra]

There's nothing wrong with saying hetero relationships are normal because they are. Being straight is the norm. Doesn't mean being gay is wrong just that it's not common.

[@redskins59rocs]

Of course not, they just have to be a raging dumpster fire of a relationship with plenty of abuse and depression lol.

[@KratosisGod]

The rate at which the world is going pretty soon being hetero will be considered abnormal.

[@LovelessOmbra]

Literally the very reason our main character goes to Bly Manor is the death of her male fiance. The original owners of Bly Manor also had hetero relationships. The current male owner of the estate had an affair with a woman, who was also in a hetero relationship. Hannah Grose has a hetero relationship. Peter Quint has a hetero relationship. One gay couple isn't going to kill you.

[@LovelessOmbra]

@crazy silly in what way is the diversity forced and in what ways does it affect the show? Alien pushed for diversity back in 1979 and it's one of the best sci fi horror films of all time. Also, I'm not even arguing that the cast and characters aren't diverse. My only point was against this bizarro claim that heterosexual relationships are being made to be considered abnormal and that this show was somehow pushing that. Even though he vast majority of relationships that occur in the show are heterosexual relationships. The point about gay relationships is objectively wrong in reference to Bly Manor. Also, Bly Manor was produced by the same people as Hill House. So you're categorically incorrect in that assertion.

[@scooty4115]

Why does every piece of entertainment these days have to have at the very least one lesbian character?

[@SuperArmus]

I got tired of this trend 5 years ago...

[@jeffreyhejny7522]

With zero lesbian sex.

[@cincochishom22]

@ScissorMeTimbers ?

[@cincochishom22]

Captain marvel in a nutshell

[@frankjohnson761]

@@hendrikscheepers4144 Doesent make any sense. She never acts as I would call "Badass" or nor does the gardner.

[@spunkush]

The reason they chose kids instead of adults, is because the person needs to accept the possession. Kids are easier to manipulate than adults.

[@joshlynch5676]

The Haunting of Hill House was great. The Haunting of Bly Manor felt like a chore to watch. They tried way too hard to make it an art piece or something.

[@BlyGuy]

The only time my manor is haunted is post pinching a loaf after a long nights drink.

[@Sousabird]

6:48 someone should have told Arthur Morgan that.

[@Jsssddfgffghshdhdhusjsjd]

Would've made for an interesting sequel setup

[@pederhalvorsen2289]

Dammit Sousabird, you beat me to the punch!! 😆😆👍👍

[@mishmashmedley]

Yep. I started watching this show and just got bored with it about halfway thru, just like he said.... I'm glad I didn't waste any more time on it. Thanks, Drinker.

[@Vok250]

The biggest crime was the complete lack of payoff at the end of the season. Like the fiance ghost just kind of left? Because she drunkenly yelled at him? Wut?

[@DragonmanX90]

Every time I see the glowing eye dude; I think he's Elijah Wood from Sin City.

[@miks301]

would have actually been scarier

[@alejandromolinac]

Hahahahaha! The EFAP boys hyped it up too much!..... I was into it halfway through the series.... Then the Big Gay, and work place sexism, and sexual harassment, and women paying the price, and class struggle and blah, blah, blah.... notice all the NETFLIX shows have those bulletpoints!..... even the Video Game Documentaries!

[@tadpolegaming4510]

Netflix always disappoints

[@billcipher9344]

Really?

[@alejandromolinac]

I watched their video game docu series.... they feature a gay dude who “invented” an obscure game who I guess 5 people played.... lame excuse to bitch about Republicans and AIDS TISMS.....

[@lukaszspychaj9210]

@@alejandromolinac I watched it too. Would have been a good documentary if it didn't preach about how bad the gays and blacks have it every episode.

[@khfan4life365]

@@alejandromolinac yeah, I’m sure being gay is why the dude’s game didn’t sell (Obvious sarcasm). If the game doesn’t sound interesting, people won’t buy it. Many gamers I know prefer the serialized games, like Final Fantasy, Pokemon, and Kingdom Hearts, rather than obscure indie games. Of course, that would require the guy to think logically and not emotionally, which he proved incapable of.

[@makara80]

....wait, that was the house keeper?! In a 1980’s country mansion secreted deep within the heart of rural England? They’re not even trying anymore. Well not in that sense at least.

[@theshadowman1398]

Never heard of it, and after this I won’t come near it. Let’s see now. Short haired black woman and two lesians. Netflix really went all out with the check boxes didn’t they.

[@malcolm_in_the_middle]

Also all the straight couples are race-mixed.

[@ironshard360]

You should probably always watch something yourself, even if you generally always agree with a critic

[@trinaq]

While I like reading and watching critic's reviews, I still like to form my own opinion on the show or movie first. I also loved that the cast were more diverse this time round, as before, only about one or two side characters weren't white. 💕

[@facelessandnameless]

@@trinaq Every Show and movie has a diverse cast now. It’s annoying and forced.

[@SFTaYZa]

@@trinaq what dream land are you living in

[@weaktea4252]

Bly was outstanding. I'm obsessed with it.

[@WolfintheMeadow]

I watched Bly off the back of EFAP's recommendation: Possibly the greatest show ever made, they said. I couldn't finish it, I found it boring, It didn't know what it wanted to be and it was about as scary as a gentle summer stroll. Not a patch on it's predecessor. Still, the acting was mostly pretty good, and it's nice to see Rahul Kohlii getting work.

[@Kazuhira1]

Ghost story without ghost being important, that's a sad thing.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

But don't you seeeeeee, it's really a roooooomaaaaaance! They say so at the eeeeend!

[@blakasmurf]

Nah it's a gothic romance, so supernatural only kinda comes into it... Think that's where I'm seeing people get confused also yes at the end they do mention it's not really a ghost story

[@lincolnduke]

Did you ever see Crimson Peaks, that film was literally based on this idea.

[@ramblesandtangents4003]

Dani (or Danny), the strong female lead version of the 90's John or Jack.

[@blakasmurf]

funny thing is as a 90s kid I knew 4 Dani's (that I can remember) oddly popular name from that time period onwards

[@jrd33]

I blame Game of Thrones.

[@humphreygobo6576]

Once again, I just had this same conversation with my wife. The 8th episode down right pissed me off. Why build up the tension, give me a cliffhanger ending in ep 7, and the drop the tension like a sack of potatoes FOR AN ENTIRE FECKIN EPISODE. Then, as if it couldn't get worse, the whole series climaxes 15 minutes in to the final episode. Who does that? I really feel that the show could be made a lot better with some careful editing. Cut it down to 8 episodes, sprinkle some background knowledge of the lady in the lake throughout instead of grinding the show to a halt for needless exposition, get rid of 90% of the narration, give Peter some form of redemption toward the end, give the housekeeper something to actually do in the climax sequence rather than just pointing the others in the right direction, and find someone else to play the diverse female au pair. Other than that, I gave it a resounding Meh as well.

[@LazyAnnihilator]

Spot on. Every second of ep 8 I wanted to skip to find out what was going to happened to Danny. And why build up the housekeeper coming to terms with being dead so she could save the children only to point over there somewhere. Also could you imagine being the people at the wedding sitting all night to listen to that story. I'd be hammering the shots at the bar just to stay awake.

[@humphreygobo6576]

@@LazyAnnihilator That looked like a swanky wedding. I bet it had an open bar. If so, I'd have been draining that bar of vodka from the top shelf down the second she started droning about the "Great Good Place".

[@onastick2411]

I thought "The Haunting of Hill House", was good up to the final episode. Then, as usual, the payoff didn't work, and was a bit of a disappointment. After all the scares and malevolence over the season, it tried to make the house seem almost benign in its intentions. It was incongruous to everything that had gone before, and left one feeling deflated. Note to scriptwriter, write the resolution first, then write credible events leading up to it. Anyone can set up something surreal and mysterious, it's far harder (evidently), to then write a realistic payoff.

[@erwinekkel9676]

The payoff for bly was better. But both could have used a more classic horror ending.

[@JonahMcD]

after seeing the first few episodes, i’m intrigued because of the mystery and uniqueness of it all. haven’t gotten into the romance yet, but so far, i’m liking it. the portrayal of the creepy children is executed greatly.

[@lostcause78]

Thank you! It was getting annoying that after Mauler and Rags praise it like it's the masterpiece of the decade all their fans act as if you're an idiot for finding it average at best.

[@lostcause78]

@chaoszieg They've been praising it during some of their recent EFAPs and Mauler on his twitter account. I wish I could be more precise but EFAPs are longer than a flight from London to New York.

[@Don11037]

I want to hear then talk bout all this woke crap in the show

[@johncra8982]

watched it on their recommendation and it just goes to show how their paltry obsession with plot points lining up neatly leaves those guys absolutely braindead when it comes to judging the sum of all the different parts in a show or movie. the show did more to damage their credibility than anything else lol

[@XXthekingofyouXX]

Great timing, Drinker. Great timing.

[@walsingham-xxiii]

I was fortunate enough to have noticed at the start of episode two that the story editor was Laurie “Penny Red” Penny, the agreeably off talent free Marxist elf. In doing so I saved myself eight or so hours of tedium. I hear rumours that in the next series we get to see Owen Jones’s fascinating insight into The Haunting of Motley Hall.

[@walsingham-xxiii]

@LordMacKarl She dropped out of the limelight after getting verbally duffed up by Dr. David Starkey. Their spat used to be on KZbin if you’d like to look.

[@brandondavidvillapando2558]

My main problem was Episode 7 when Dani was Dragging the girl outside to escape the Manor, the girl suddenly acted erratic and angry because their brother isn't with them. It seems hella forced, like really forced. She saw what happened and how her brothy is not her brother anymore, but still she has to have a tamper tantrum about it. It really felt forced and was made as excuse for the No Face Lady to Drag Dani

[@nipnop7995]

The haunting of hill house had me hooked first episode and I was eager to continue. Bly manor had me bored as all hell within the first 20 mins. Couldn’t get past that and will not give the series a chance.

[@Tanukiureshi]

Last time I was this early Tatiana was still underage

[@simonking195]

The worst thing was the awful accents. It should be illegal for Americans to pretend to be british 😂

[@KingComanche]

Also can anyone explain why Flora was British until she grew up? Like I get that some people might adopt a new accents living somewhere but I refuse to accept that, with zero progression, Flora went from full on accent swap from start to finish. Also a bit questionable that Old Jamie was from the US and Young Jamie was British but Old Jamie elected to take on not a US accent nor the same one as Young Jamie, just a charicature of what people think accents are

[@macanoon]

@@KingComanche It was told in the finale bly manor was not the name of the mansion and it may not have even been in england. She changed the details for the story. Also if you move a child that young they can def lose their accent

[@KingComanche]

@@macanoon oh, gotcha. Fair enough. I think I took it too literally as the characters as younger people were who they actually were and not just story telling pieces. Thanks

[@complexperplexity]

Dani's accent was awful too and she was an American playing an American.

[@StationaryBeggar]

Oh yeah and the other way around as well. Few can pull it off believably.

[@gigamantisman]

You should consider the Netflix Dracula series. A very poorly done mess of a concept with what I think is sort of an insulting ending. Something that made me feel like I needed a few good, stiff drinks after watching lol

[@KingKamor2]

I ended up watching the whole thing after it came out. Such a promising start, only to break its own legs with the landing.

[@Iron-Bridge]

I'd rather watch Castlevania. Better writing and that's an animated series.

[@robertdornan8611]

There has only been one good film made of Dracula. That was Francis Ford Coppola Dracula. With honorable mention to Bud Abbott, and Lou Costello meet Frankenstein.

[@SatoruwaFeng]

I couldn't finish the first episode, I almost threw something through my friends tv

[@khfan4life365]

I’ll watch Alucard instead.

[@disgustedguy]

What the caveman seemingly don't get is that Hill House and Bly Manor are first of all ghost stories. The first story was packed in a horror-themed scenario, which makes absolutely sense, 'cause nobody knew on which basis everything happens. It wouldn't make sense to pack the second story also into a horror scenario, 'cause all of the ghost things it shows everybody knows already from the first one. So they did a different take on that one and made it a love story. If you were attentive you could know that the housekeeper is a ghost from the first episode on, 'cause for example she never really ate or drunk something, when all the others did. The time jumping and the semi selfawareness of ghosts were a big twist in the first story and you would hated it for sure, if they instantly repeated the same twist in the second one. To that extent they made the twist of the first story a basis for the second one. There were no explanation needed anymore and so they could concentrate on other things, for example backstories of characters. I wonder if the caveman did noticed the twist of Bly Manor. I guess not.

[@newwavepop]

i still have two episodes left but honestly for me so far im feeling about the same as i did last year for Hill House, i was intrigued the first episode or two then i got bored through the middle and it felt like a genuine chore just to finish it up but it paid off for me in the end. and its the reason it took me so long to go ahead and start watching this one because i remember how much the other one dragged for me. all that said ive never really been a horror person anyway mostly because i have never seen any film that horrified me, and i just find jump scares and long dramatic slow obvious movements towards sudden shocks annoying.