HOT TAKES IN METAL: Bad Omens, Landmvrks, Alpha Wolf, The Contortionist, Whitechapel & More

[@METALBIRB]

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[@user-ke3dg4yd1u]

Hell yea

[@Roguenjosh]

yeah man I loved this

[@Roguenjosh]

dude I CANNOT STAND crowd killing, in Australia it always seems particularly violent and targeted as well which is why maybe Alpha Wolf came at it so hard in the tweet

[@RthereNEusernames]

That take on Flo's vocals is certainly hot. Dude is an amazing vocalist.

[@calebspencer3451]

I absolutely love The Contortionist. One of my all time favorite bands.

[@icanmakeeverythingilovedie9861]

While there is a difference between hardcore moshing and straight up crowd killing, I do agree that the latter is dumb. Moshing is fine, and obviously it's violent. But speaking as someone who lost a brother to SDH (blood pooling in the brain) from some clown spin-kicking himself off the stage at a Jesus Piece show (basically kicked in the skull, and then got landed on by the same 200+ pound guy.), Alpha Wolf has every right to say what they did. The shit is stupid, and people who go around kicking or essentially throwing fists at each other and call it 'moshing' need to spend a few weeks in jail for assault (or murder, if it calls for it). Bands obviously care about their fans and don't want to see people who are supposed to be having a good time being rushed off in an ambulance weighing on their mind. Aaron (the vocalist) apparently heard about it what happened after the concert and showed up at the hospital. Sat down and apologized to my family despite it obviously not being his fault.

[@davidcwk01]

Professor Birb analyses and gives his opinion on some spicy takes.

[@Veeto]

gonna chime in on the landmvrks comment: i genuinely think their vocalist makes the band. i’m a huge fan on all kinds of metal, but goddamn does the vocalist fit SO well with the music. landmvrks is so unique as a SOUND, not the lowest tuning, has and insanely unique guitar tone and that tone fits so well with the vocalist. i could probably name 4 landmvrks songs but when i say that the vocalist mixes the tone of the music and his voice perfectly i mean it. probably the best “metalcore hardcore” band out there in my eyes. just my opinion.

[@SpaghettiWithMeatSauce]

Just because music is heavy and inherently animalistic and primal does not excuse unsolicited violence and assault. People need to control themselves and not assault others, it's that simple. This includes people on the edge of the pit, where they're either there by happenstance or because they're preparing to mosh/taking a break from moshing. Shit, this also includes people IN the pit. Majority are out to have fun, get a little physical, and enjoy the music. Being in the pit is not a signed contract or consent to get punched in the face. Don't be a crowd killer. Don't be a pit bully. You're not cool. Blaming the culture is a scapegoat and there is way too much victim blaming when this comes up. (This is not directed at anyone specific, just my take on the subject).

[@rapmetaldemon09]

My biggest problem with metalcore as of late is that it doesn't exactly scratch the same itch. As you said, they add alot of outside elements making alot of the songs to sound either very experimental, or almost too butt rocky and incorporate alot of Linkin Park-esque choruses. Not necessarily bad, just often feels like the artists are ashamed of metalcore. Even alot of the deathcore artists seem to be ashamed of their core elements and are trying to win over the metal elitists. Luckily I'm more of an extreme metal fan , so deathcore bands becoming more blackened and more technical is a big win for me

[@thebuckethatguy]

I would argue that we are already getting a resurgence of the MySpace Deathcore sound three bands that I would say are already doing it are, ‘Hstages, The Devastated, and Decline of Order. And these are all bands in which I think do the MySpace style of Deathcore way better than the MySpace Deathcore bands did back in the day.

[@thebuckethatguy]

I would also say Defamed is Bringing back the MySpace style of Deathcore as well. This sound in my opinion is very prominent in their new single, ‘Crystal Prison.’

[@athmaid]

Crowdkillers have knocked out people's teeth who purposefully maintained distance from the pit. You can mosh without hitting people with fists or kicking them with the intent of hurting them inside the pit as well

[@royalknight740]

Yes this! Finally someone with decent followers addressed this crowd killing nonsense! Attending heavy music show doesn't mean signing up for permanent and lethal injuries. Some people just want to listen and appreciate the music. I get this sort of genre builds up unreleased energy that forces you to do chaotic movements but that doesn't excuse you to be completely loose and purposely targeting people! Have some restraint for fucks sake! You could kill someone!Crowd killing should just be banned already honestly

[@thyweebhub]

Nothing to do with metal but your look today just reminded me of Joseph Seed from Far Cry 5😭not hate all love, I dig the drip

[@justinvarieur4411]

💀💀💀

[@METALBIRB]

I've never been compared to a Far Cry character but I find it hilarious man hahaha

[@alexmeza2810]

Straight up hahaha

[@thebuckethatguy]

Here’s a BIG heart take from me! I more often than not underground core bands make better music than popular core bands with some exceptions. PERIOD! For Example: Dead Days, Healer, Dreamshade, Before I Turn, Divisive, Decline of Order and Sail’s End make better music than Bring Me the Horizon, Of Mice & Men, Asking Alexandria, Suicide Sioence and White Chapel.

[@brysonxd]

"Bad Omens is beggining to close the gap between electronics and metalcore" I See Stars: Attack! Attack! Old Asking Alexandria: Old The Bunny The Bear:

[@americanmetalhead7318]

Linkin Park, Bring Me The Horizon, Periphery, Thornhill, etc., even Slipknot has a DJ and a sampler

[@disturbiafromthebay]

Starset, Sleep Token, Deftones, Leprous, and more

[@sasukenagashi57]

I have always called crowdkillers super saiyans cuz they always look like they tryna fight frieza or something lololol

[@sasukenagashi57]

I liked your AFI and sullivan king examples of electronics and rock and metal lol Whats cool about AFI is the electronic sounds in their music def show influence in davy and jade electronic project Blaqk AUdio

[@alexandrepoirier8600]

I wish I could give this video 1000 likes just for putting Blind Witness's "Tabarnak".

[@harryprice9132]

Regarding the bigger bands I dunno I get it a bit but there's still been some quality albums. Whitechapel and trivium were my fav albums last yr Also bands that are established but not big like silent planet and erra, rlly liked born of Osiris as well

[@athmaid]

I have Clairvoyant on vinyl, even though I don't own a record player. I can understand that Language and Exoplanet are deemed to be better though

[@airlzzy]

Personally I love what Bad Omens are doing. It's not that they're adding electronic stuff, because that's not new, but they added this poppiness and catchiness that feels fresh while still feeling heavy. And they are FUCKING AMAZING live. I've grown to really love them. And idk what you'd classify Greyhaven as, but they're also really fresh and have a cool sound/aesthetic that's not entirely metalcore or hardcore.

[@airlzzy]

@The Coin Has A Say yeah that's fair. That's also what some people wanna here sometimes though. You can't go wrong with familiarity, sometimes people vibe the hardest to the "generic" stuff because the scene is oversaturated with people trying to outdo each other. Simple yet effective, at least for me.

[@MisterBolticus]

Oh and third comment, just for you Birb, not a video request just a personal recommendation; Mandroid Echostar - Iron Hands, right up your alley I would've thought

[@thebuckethatguy]

I listen to rap and I can tell you that Flo is a damn good rapper!

[@alexandercarlinmusic9467]

YES. CYB IS BMTH'S WORST ALBUM. FINALLY. SOMEONE ELSE.

[@codywebb2768]

2021 had the two new faces of death core. Lorna shore with will Ramos and slaughter to prevail.

[@codywebb2768]

Slaughter more commercial than anything.

[@rossmusic25]

The dude at around six minutes, Erra was the best thing that happened that whole year. Plenty of good music last year but that one stood out. Really strange you didn’t mention them in this video at this point.

[@NotQuiteCupid]

My opinions on a few of these takes: 2022 is a weak year: The only thing I remember from last January to March was the Architects record. This year, we had Underoath, Bad Omens, Skillet, and who knows what else. Also, isn't it insane that there's only a week between Memphis May Fire's new record and Motionless In White's new record?? Like, give me room to breathe please 😭. Rerelease singles: Agree to disagree. Ryo Kinoshita's Japanese vocals on Holy Roller...no words to describe the feeling that gave me. Also, the Backbreaker by FFAK remix(forgot who it featured), and the Charlotte Sands feature on Hallelujah were both really good, imo(yes, the Sands feature could've been mixed a lot better, but I still enjoyed it). Bad Omens bridging the gap: I just wanted to shout out Starset because I love them so much. Yeah, I disagree. Smaller or unrecognized bands changing the game: Replying to that with a hot take of my own: The smartest and most ambitious mind in metal right now is Oli Sykes. He's trickling Bring Me into the mainstream which is good for the scene as a whole.

[@QUELOMBIADAPORRA]

what is the name of the band in 0:48 ? tyvm

[@fiend265x]

Loathe

[@QUELOMBIADAPORRA]

@@fiend265x tyvm

[@TundraCH]

The Contortionist is better than most 70s prog bands, there is not a take hotter than this 🔥🔥😛

[@disturbiafromthebay]

Opeth is better than both The Contortionist, 70s prog bands, AAAAAND Dream Theater. Anyways, theres my red hot take

[@ryanpolk3141]

Ok deep breath here lol. Another hot take. And granted this is coming from someone not super familiar with deathcore. I think Lorna Shore are really doing something different and unique with their music. The symphony and choir chanting. I know other bands have done it. But not this well and used as much. That mixed with Will Ramos being a beast and one of the nicest and coolest guys. Really adds to it. I’m not a huge progressive fan. But there are a ton of prog and prog metal bands that have shorter songs. Meshuggah, Periphery, Cynic, Tesseract, Rush. Even bands like Opeth and Between the Buried And Me have shorter songs. This year hasn’t sucked for music. Plus we’re not even halfway there. There’s been plenty of great new music and band

[@cokejones]

I'd say Mental Cruelty's most recent album has basically done the same thing as Lorna Shore's EP. Better or not is up to opinion but I'd like Lorna Shore to expand beyond basic song structure and try something a tad more complex to give it more life

[@ryanpolk3141]

@@cokejones yeah that is very true. I was more getting at they were more or less the first ones to heavily incorporate that sound. I know bands like Cradle Of Filth we’re doing it before. But Lorna just sounds different somehow. Beautiful and extremely heavy at the same time. I’m very much hoping they’re new album they will. From what I’ve heard Will was still very new and they hadn’t really bonded yet. So hoping the tour will help bring that fresher sound

[@wittlemidget]

HORSE the band, WBWTB, Eskimo Callboy, The Browning, Sybreed did the electronic and metal mix much earlier and better than some of the newer bands.

[@jamesmorgan4020]

yes exoplanet is the best one

[@patrickstar6247]

100% agree on Count Your Blessings being BMTHs worst album. Especially when you have Suicide Season (a much better/improved version of it)

[@TricksBe4Chicks]

Old deathcore is 100x better than today’s deathcore. The red shore, carnifex, all shall perish, suicide silence, eternal lord

[@TricksBe4Chicks]

@The Coin Has A Say nah those albums aren’t even close to the same level as older bands

[@TricksBe4Chicks]

@The Coin Has A Say put those albums up against the cleansing or job for a cowboy doom EP just as examples and it’s night and day what is better deathcore

[@TricksBe4Chicks]

@The Coin Has A Say it definitely did produce songs that hit harder. Watch unanswered by suicide silence and tell me if a deathcore band will ever get a crowd like that ever again. It won’t happen this day and age deathcore just isn’t it besides brand of sacrifice and enterprise earth

[@cokejones]

@@TricksBe4Chicks Humanity's Last Breath shits all over Suicide Silence's old stuff. Krosis, Osiah, Bound In Fear, Signs of the Swarm, To The Grave, Distant, Spite, Mental Cruelty, Beneath The Massacre, Slice The Cake, Defiants, the list goes on

[@TricksBe4Chicks]

@@cokejones hahaha good joke. Job for a cowboy, the red shore, all shall perish, carnifex, the crimson armada, thy art is murder, eternal lord, veil of maya, rose funeral, salt the wound, evolvar, disfigured elegance, born of osiris

[@zinAab79]

The first prog take is kinda sad, the culture of immediacy thing is harmful to art appreciation, good rewards come from putting some effort on it, and 3 min is pretty short for an intro, some albums kick in after 10-15 minutes of buildup, that's what I would call long.

[@cowmark67]

Right? I'll admit I don't listen to a lot of prog but I've heard my fair share of atmospheric black metal & blackgaze tracks that are upwards of 10+ minutes in length and begin after a 3+ minute intro track and are legit excellent.

[@jasper_thefriendly_ghost]

"Enter Shikari literally exists". quote of the year. Enter Shikari are a band that deserves WAY more credit than they get. Fucking LEGENDS.

[@McYates24]

facts

[@edwardwilliams243]

My fiance went to a metal show with me once and caught an errant elbow to the side from a crowdkiller nowhere near the pit (where we were explicitly to avoid that) and it completely ruined the experience and made her never want to go again :(

[@MisterBolticus]

On the subject of Crowdkilling, I hate that shit when it pops up anywhere outside of a hardcore show. If I'm center crowd at a hxc show, I'm liable because I know it's gonna happen. It's not expected nor particularly wanted outside of that space even though I've seen it at metalcore shows for years, I came to break musical bread with like-minded folks, mosh, headbang, watch my favourite musicians and sing along, not potentially go home with a concussion because someone left the door open on the clown car and people want a free pass on being violent with the safety blanket of there being no repercussions because "it's just crowdkilling/hxc dancing bro", it's fucking annoying, obnoxious, selfish and dangerous is what it is. When someone falls in the pit, you immediately extend a hand to get them up, you don't kick them in the head on the way down.

[@SureIAmDead]

Can we stop confusing hardcore dancing/moshing and crowd killing please lol

[@aceofhearts37]

Every crowdkilling clip you showed here is not someone "enjoying the primal aspect of the music," it's just blatant assault. It's extremely violent assault and it can land people in the hospital or worse, there's no excuse for it. Music by itself doesn't make you go violent and attack everyone around you, this is a choice you consciously make.

[@ryanpolk3141]

As for the bad omens being the first. Did this guy just start listening to metal and rock?? My man electronic/techno crossed that bridge a long time ago. Orgy, The Browning, Electric Callboy to name a few. Hell there’s a whole genre called electronicore

[@SpaghettiWithMeatSauce]

We need more new At The Gates-core.

[@abductedbyhorror1238]

The Contortionist has always been one of my favorite bands. I saw them back when All Shall Perish was still around. They blew me away and Exoplanet is still my go to. I do enjoy the new Contortionist, but none of them will touch Exoplanet for me.

[@BigV120695]

The crowd killing in NY is the worst. Wether it’s hxc, metalcore, or deathcore shows I go to there’s always some moron spin kicking or laying a bystander out. I mosh here and there and of course if you’re on the edge you have to pay attention. But it’s annoying if you’re not near the pit and a random foot is smacking you in the mouth

[@ryansadauskis]

Not sure if TC is the best prog metal band, but damn are they amazing.

[@Birdseed99]

Loved the first two Contorionist records. Language and Clairvoyant and outstanding too but Exoplanet and Intrinsic are very special.

[@septima1789]

Live Conform Die also exists for that Bridiging Metal & Electronics hot take too.

[@johnnykooks4096]

Very well put about Flo!

[@jadecasssie]

The crowdkilling thing is kinda touchy. I think you should always have a healthy level of caution, but sometimes things go too far and people can get hurt. Nobody wants to catch an elbow to the face, but know that it can happen. I think Alpha Wolf is entitled to their opinion and i appreciate that they care that much about others, but they definitely could have worded it differently. Plus. My guy. You write heavy music that inspires people to mosh. Ugh.

[@unicornkiss]

9:28 *cough* The Browning *cough*

[@JMark514]

Agree with first take for sure

[@Curby6565]

This year being weak in music gets shut down by Shadow of Intent alone tbh

[@matthewbirgen7036]

I fully disagree with hot take #5. Void of Visions re-release of “Hyperdaze” not only made me love the album I initially really didn’t like, it turned them into my top favorite band in the metal scene. Call it a marketing ploy all you want but they can take my money cause goddamn does their new shit slap.

[@patbateman8116]

Same, the remix and remaster of Aggressive by Beartooth made me love that album way more, it sounds so much more full and heavy.

[@Thischarletfire]

Crowd killing is fun, and alpha take was stupid. They should of brought out that the person wasn’t even in the pit doing this

[@stephenhowes6586]

I’m not sure how I feel about the first take. I mean, deathcore to me seems like a genre that can’t get too experimental because then it becomes something else. 🤷‍♂️ Edit: white chapel is a perfect example. I wouldn’t consider half the songs from the latest album deathcore.

[@cokejones]

I felt like Fallujah was really starting to nail a good atmospheric/prog type style with the start of Nomadic and going onto The Flesh Prevails (which both were more techy, I know), but then Dreamless came out and they had something unique imo. But sadly, it didn't last. They really could've been big. Still butthurt about it

[@darthnihilus7951]

That last hot take was so wholesome

[@colehanlin4250]

Check out the new PaleFace album “Fear and Dagger”

[@MisterBolticus]

I was not expecting The Algorithm to get a mention in this video, Brute Force is one of the most underrated records out there That AFI break sounded like the Mortal Kombat theme though lmao

[@falkargast8990]

Exoplanet is a Masterpiece!

[@silentjaybob345]

exoplanet is one of my favorite albums of all time, I really didn't care of the direction they went after that album. I saw the Contortionist open for The human abstract Textures and Periphery back in 2011. That was one of the Best show ever. three of my favorite albums in Exoplanet, THA - Digital Veil, and Periphery self titled all came out just before that tour.

[@MJ-vd8bj]

Their albums are definitely growers, I just love how unique and creative their sound is (heavy or not)

[@METALBIRB]

Amazing lineup. Wish THA would come back

[@OldheadMike]

WE CROWDKILLIN OUT HERE

[@McYates24]

lol can't believe someone said that about Bad Omens, that's just objectively incorrect

[@psstimbatman6646]

4:27 THIS! This is such a good take on it. I crowdkill and throw down to hard and violent music, because it makes me wanna do it. But there is a huge difference between crowdkilling and being a complete douchebag that is targeting and picking on especially "weaker" people then them. And this is why I disagree with Alpha Wolf. I probably throw down to alpha Wolf too, but thats not the problem. The people that are crowdkilling are the problem.

[@johnnykooks4096]

CONTORTIONIST NEEDS TO MAKE SOME NEW FUCKING MUSIC. But yes exoplanet is their best album

[@grantlevy7713]

We gotta talk about paleface. Those dudes are the future of deathcore

[@rc88tcb]

My two hot takes are BMTH and Bad Omens are the most overrated bands in the genre.

[@BigV120695]

I can’t get into their last album, Bad Omens

[@SWC-el8lp]

@The Coin Has A Say I highly doubt any of that actually fucking happened lmao.

[@joaquintomorrowwefall8856]

Ok, today I learned that Death Grips is progressive

[@yanetgarsia1844]

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