Hot tubbery with Phil the f@%*ing Plumber

[@dsbelectricaldavidbetterid8448]

I have contacted matt e regards this hot tub they said no not for use other than ev what its designed for, it has a 70v 5 s disconection when earth detected a voltage between 207v and 258v as your submerged and of lower body resistance this would most likely hurt alot, the heater element on another note would have contact to earth pme there for making the water a different potential to that off true earth, touch voltage will raise to tbat of the fault the 50v limit is to stop 50v flowing from two parts at different potential

[@dsesuk]

That's very interesting David, thanks for clarifying!

[@dsbelectricaldavidbetterid8448]

@@dsesuk thanks for replying bud still my fav you tube go to guy great vid as always sorry to be that guy and debate something

[@dsbelectricaldavidbetterid8448]

Further to our conversation please see kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKCvgY2srtaAZpI

[@alexmtb1]

To meet BS 7671 hot tubs fall outside of Section 702 (See 702.11). As such a PME is deemed suitable for a hot tub supply. However I would also consider and earth rod as going over and above BS 7671 so certainly not incorrect. Excellent video.

[@crishowe9621]

Yes

[@imranmajid1978]

I can't believe it was an hour of in-depth information - I loved it all, not even an electrician !

[@craigtonge455]

Omg! I am crying! I want Phil the Plumber song as my ring tone!

[@jessknowland102]

You guys make me laugh so hard sometimes. I almost pissed in my pants with your little dance routine. Thank you for the explanation about what would happen if the wiring is not done correctly. Great job as always.

[@peter-gn8ey]

nigel deserves a knob shine gift voucher for that awesome breakdance let alone the guestimate.

[@sdgelectronics]

TT on the hot tub is the least risk provided it's actually implemented properly. Nice to see for once 👌

[@dsesuk]

Cheers Steve, it makes sense to me in this case, but I guess you have to take each job on its merits.

[@firsteerr]

@@dsesuk thank fuck someone has said it , you treat each job as its own entity what you did last week twenty miles away might not be the solution , my guess is theres too many ten weekers ( you know that course they do ) who go on get inspection and testing but have no real world experience who then criticize because they were never taught out of the box thinking i once (not too long ago ) asked a guy to make off a pyro for me and he left the job !!!

[@LoudAsFuckk]

One of, if not, the best electrical channels on KZbin. Honestly so glad I watched that garden electrics cack video

[@andrewmounsey5030]

The best, I can assure you. Anyway, can you name another channel that has a Nigel?

[@LoudAsFuckk]

@@andrewmounsey5030 yeah good point Nigel is a unique selling point here

[@kevinlayzell3960]

Excellent video. Pissed myself laughing as always 👍🏼😂

[@reececooper4974]

The way you deliver all the relevant information is amazing! Love it, keep up the good work mate👌🏻

[@Bugsworth]

Really enjoying the humourous approach to the serious subject of the safe management of electricity. Electricity and magnatism should be lively, energetic subjects. The classroom can be dull place. The text books take THE SPARK out of electricity. You put a bright spark right back in. Thank you :

[@nigel1964]

An absolutely fantastic vid full of info, explanation and mirth. The dynamic duo are back. Thanks for that

[@enriquedmu1]

Pure gold! Well, fools gold, but brilliant entertainment and great workmanship again.

[@xxwookey]

Oh my! - how much trouble did you go to for the 'Phil the plumber' routine. Brilliant piece of work, and so much better than the work I am supposed to be doing now.

[@Honest_Reviewer.]

Just damn funny. We need more of this :)

[@nathanmemmory4981]

the chat between you two makes me want to come and work for you for free it is epic haha

[@Richardincancale]

Loved the bit at the end where you both dive in to the perfumed foamy water and pleasure each other - top stuff!! 10:08 The fun starts! One hour, 12 minutes and 32 seconds of informative fun! Thanks!

[@dsesuk]

That's not the ending I remember.... but I may have been drunk at the time...

[@cumberland1234]

A problem using table 4E4A is that the terminations also need to be rated to 90 degrees C too, I'd personally use the 70 degrees figure 4D4A which gives 6mm as 49A which is all good anyway.

[@dsesuk]

Good point.

[@carterglover3539]

Any chance of releasing 'Phil the fu@#ing plumber' as a single? Personally I use KZbin music but availability on Spotify would be great too 👍😂 another great video, cheers David 👍👍

[@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse]

Another great episode from the dastardly Dave and his faithful manservant Nigel ,don't forget to tune in to see their next exciting challenge fighting the deadly seven day sparks . BTW You should do a GPS voice over my man .

[@FrontSideBus]

Great to see the reaaal bois back on the tools. That sat nav calling out in metres gets me though! Lol.

[@KnugenMooMoo]

When the sing along album coming out David ? all the greatest hits like nige got his hat etc

[@blahh397]

An excellent educational video. I am surprised that the manufacturers haven't put in additional protection as with some of the EV bods. Thanks for all the laughs too. I particularly enjoyed Escape from Grafton Flyford and the thought of Nigel coughing out his filthy yogurt in the bath is one I will cherish

[@richardnewton302]

Great video as usual! The linian swa clips are quick to install and look good on a exposed wall 👍

[@johnnevin5706]

Thank you, lads, another great lesson cheers John

[@redsnappa7837]

Hilarious guest appearance by the Upton Snodsbury Morris Side in gangsta mode!

[@p4ult1]

Thank you for another quality video. Had me in stitches!

[@JayTheSparky]

Another cracking video mate, love the song 🤣Agree about the SWA glands external ones are so much better

[@leewobby]

Great video. Is great to see people working well with good humour whist still stuck on ferlow. Keep up the good work 👏

[@MrImATarget]

Thanks for the tip...... using percussion drill to drive in the rod.

[@coralbay00]

Awesome educational video.. .and hilarious too. 🤝

[@spelectricalservltd5959]

Arguably the best vid yet.. Really enjoyed it👍 Quick Q.. Would you always TT a hot tub even on a TN-S supply and if so would you connect both the rod and exported TN-S to the Hot Tub CPC or is this a No-No?

[@hepontour]

Brilliantly funny....and yet, informative...nice work guys :)

[@simonhalls3244]

Both: Very informative and comedy enough to make me laugh out loud for the first time in a long time. Bravo Chaps!

[@NBundyElectrical]

you are next level dave!!! rapper/electrician extraordinaire

[@dsesuk]

And you kids thought YOU had all the talent!

[@bertiebassett1972]

The amount of shit I get for fitting an earth rod, nice one dave😊 Those niglon rotary isolators indeed are crap🤪

[@oliverriall]

I find the IMO ones have got a little more wiggle room

[@rsdelectrical]

Love these videos Dave. Just finished watching the entire Manor House series and now working my way through the rest or your material. I did notice however that you failed to mention that Nick Bundy was on site with you on this one as his jacket is clearly visible at 17:30. Got a small channel myself and if i can make it half as entertaining as this I"ll be on to a winner

[@JunkmailAccount]

Presumably you're aware that Hilti make such a cleat with a bang device?

[@quinsee66]

Brilliant video lads laughed my arse off. Like you said at the end this take longer than you think.

[@steverpcb]

Dave, I yet again have tried to edukate a friend with a fart P about earthing his metal shed at the end of the garden, he is on a TT and using the house earth connected by whatever has had to be replaced after the lawn mower hit it ,(fortunatly he has an RCD on the shed supply). His questions and my answers were - TT - Why can't I connect the house earth to the shed earth rod when I fit one ? A - because if the shed earth is better than the house earth then a fault in the house will use the shed earth and there will be a potential and current between them even under normal conditions. TN-C / TN-CS, same question. A - because if that JCB digging the hole the other side of the road chops the cable but does not short the live, then the whole street will be using your shed earth rod as earth and neutral !

[@dsesuk]

Exactly that Steve. This whole 'earth rod at under 20 Ohm on PME' thing sounds odd to me. If you had a PME fault, you'd have a fizzing rod in your garden and a radius of step voltages in the ground around it. So it seems to me anyway, but what do I know?!

[@steverpcb]

@@dsesuk I seem to remember something along time ago about cows being electrocuted near a pylon that was leaking badly to earth.

[@mathman0101]

Let me say a brilliant discussion of the details of the installation and the difficult issues and unsettled ones in the regulations. Forward thinking about use of the tub and to ensure it’s safe as possible is brilliant. Young sparkys take not this is what you need to go through ahead of the installation - think it through. I will need to watch it more than twice to make sure I appreciate the thought that went in to this. Brilliant. Hot tubs installs you should watch the US installs or at least watch mike holts discussion videos on this - this is more developed in us regulations.

[@humphshumphs]

Great video as usual, bloody hilarious.

[@muzikman2008]

Another class funny video Dave, glad to see the bois back at it :-)

[@JayTheSparky]

I’m with you on the rotary isolators! I usually only use them for the installations like this Hot tubs and the odd feed for air conditioning units and always find them an absolute pain with sod all room for your connections!

[@jockwalker24]

"Phil the plumber" rap for Xmas number 1 👍

[@dsesuk]

Fuck it, Mr Blobby got there!

[@mb63]

You two are funny. Educational, and funny.

[@michaelcox4081]

A(bloody)mazing, like normal a good video that covers a multiple of subjects👍🏻. I’ll happily pay a subscription charge (to you) to watch your videos.

[@bigalz5563]

The AS DA pants are incredible 👌

[@Pieh0]

Good to see Team Nige is still defeating Team David at guestimating things :)

[@dsesuk]

Pah!

[@BarryPaffey]

Great video guys, very amusing!

[@michaelchapman4269]

Absolutely amazing as always, only way to get through a long video like that and learn something is with some dubious humour!! 🤣🤣 that fucking plumber has good taste in larger, my favourite Vedett!

[@mazamaza129]

Brilliant cheers Dave and Nige

[@robswingler]

Using the max Amp for 90 deg C cable is only allowed if all switch and accessories it’s attached to can handle 90deg to.

[@Kippaxx61]

Fantastic vlog with u 2 Nigel allegedly pissing in your drink priceless

[@dsesuk]

Allegedly?? I didn't find his golden surprise until the final edit!

[@AndyK.1]

David Savery Electrical Services I thought the acting was good

[@rattlehead85]

The Phil “The Fuckin’ Plumber” tune 😂😂😂👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻 Priceless.

[@leviwake6775]

That was the best song I’ve heard this year 🕺🏼

[@jontownsend8090]

Phil the Plumber, number 1 on the covid hit list, great stuff as always.

[@dsesuk]

Now then now then pop-pickers; hows about this then...

[@chrisb2792]

Fuck the professional advice and education. I'm here for the humour. I sometimes feel like I'm gatecrashing the Electricians' Ball

[@keithjohnstone9889]

Brilliant video once again.

[@davegeorge7094]

These men like to undo customers shorts and get paid to.

[@RWATraineeElectrician]

Thanks for the mention guys 👍

[@dsesuk]

Cheers Richard!

[@PJB71]

👍🏼Excellent Top man👍🏼 Hot tubs should always be installed TT, when supplied from PME, especially if they are quite far from the intake as the earth you are standing on will have a different potential to the PME earth. You didn’t require the 100ma S type, but as you say it’s a back up.

[@dannyte83]

Done 3 hot tubs during summer lockdown... had to use 63amp isolators, complete joke the 40amp isolators! I would love to watch a sales rep for these wire 10mm into one!

[@ryang5561]

It's here been waiting weeks for another video from you!! 🎉

[@dsesuk]

Had a hard drive failure which slowed me down old chap. Back in the game now.... or on it.

[@paulbell7654]

@@dsesuk That's what happens when you watch the same grotflix porn clip of nigel pulling himself off over and over again; kill's your hard drive - my mate told me

[@Aengus42]

Cool Tilley hat Nige! I've got one of them for camping 🏕️🤠

[@Cablesmith]

Great video as always 👌🏼

[@LAsparkTVWireTestLimited]

My god that is some content. Yous are mainly proving to be musical geniuses from this. The electrics is by the by.

[@imranmajid1978]

40:20 --- You guys are too funny!

[@dsesuk]

Somehow, it actually tasted better too....

[@Baggiolyful]

Best video yet mate and thanks for the video. Like seeing other electricians opinion on this. Thanks

[@solarrover9575]

Kraus Naimer ac isolators have space 👍

[@ARElectrics]

Thanks for sharing this Dave. Have done lots of work round grafton flyford in the last 12 months. Those rotary isolators are rubbish for space I agree. I think Gewiss make them slightly bigger with more room in, however they are bright yellow so wont look as pleasing.

[@dsesuk]

Cheers Andy.... or Rob. and sorry for muscling in on your neck of the woods! Still, some good news for you, Phil the Plumber is now looking for a new partner sparkie after falling out with us (for some reason)...

[@ARElectrics]

@@dsesuk Noway ! Hope nothing to serious. Couldn't had done a better job. If your ever in the area again you'll have to give us a shout be good to chat. (Andy)

[@markyd2633]

How is this soggy?........brilliant vid once again.......a lot of work gone into this once again..... appreciated

[@Webbster77]

Savski do you envisage causing problems for yourself having a rod for a hot tub and 5/10 metres away a rod for a swimming pool? Pretty sure I’ve read something about it being bad practice I’ve got this scenario in a back garden..

[@guywren4801]

I'll certainly think twice before jumping into a hot tub after this. I can't believe they're all installed with this much consideration to electrical safety.

[@GiffordsElectrical]

Thanks for the mention David, glad to see you and nige back together 👍 I consulted Matt.E prior to installing the unit on the job and I kid you not the response I got from them was it can technically be used on any circuit up to 32a and as long as the manufactures instructions don’t stipulate an earth rod then using the matt.e would be acceptable. Stay safe and hopefully can catch up at elex in cov if it goes ahead

[@Dog-whisperer7494]

Fuck I can’t stop laughing 😂 Absolutely brilliant David Another fantastic video from Mr Savery and Nigel 👍👍

[@tresslerj1985]

00:59:00 I allways go the next size up on isolators been fuxjed off so many times.

[@akey69er]

CEF M2 isolators are class they have bags of room

[@PHealey1981]

1:01 sounds like every lockdown home school across the land...or had Nige been found asleep in the living room?

[@thomasrogers6778]

You should hire a young pc editor that’s also has some knowledge in electrical design to do all ur editing for you to save u a lot of time. will be able to upload on a lot more frequent. As ur experience on regs/real world is pieces for a apprentice like me. More quality n consistent video and u will blow up, love the crack u have with the lads on site top man 👍🏻

[@dsesuk]

Nah, this is merely a hobby Thomas. We'll put out a vid if there's something to say which may be of interest, but otherwise it's just an aside to our screwdriver twiddling.

[@carlrobson5745]

Another great upload.

[@jacgrobbelaar2425]

Hi David, Love your channel and how informative it is...the humor is a huge plus....I have a question: I am a 38 year old South African, busy studying toward becoming an electrician. I will be needing an apprenticeship during the next year. I recently watched a video where you said that "no one will hire a 40 year old apprentice"...Do you have any advice for me on how to stand the best chance of getting an apprenticeship?...skills I can get before applying? What would you need from me in order for me to be your apprentice?

[@coralbay00]

@M H 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤝

[@dsesuk]

Hi Jac. That was perhaps a poor choice of words. Personally, I believe that someone with life experience who is invested in their future is of more value than a grunting disinterested sixteen year-old, but the latter is often hired by the larger firms as cheap labour. It's hard to give advice, so all I can recommend is to stand out from the crowd and the best way to do that is to show enthusiasm and to demonstrate independent learning. It's shit advice, I know, but I'm not a mass employer and cannot give you anything more definite. If I were hiring, I'd want the candidate to be able to demonstrate competence, interest and enthusiasm for both my business specifically and for the nature of the work in general. I wouldn't be interested in a shoulder-shrugger who is in it for the wages, but someone who has a keen eye for the detail would catch my attention.

[@bromwichbloke]

Need a few more videos like this one lads your the modern day Laurel and Hardy (with a bit of serious and helpful information thrown in)

[@wilbertbirdner1303]

7:55 "Look kids! No hands!"

[@pinmast0r]

Did you get a static belt? Watch from about 51:00 and at 51:08 ish as you touch the SWA terminations at the top of the RCBO it looks like a nice little arc to the case :)

[@ursusmaritimus7159]

Silly Hat? That looks like a Tilley T3 to me Mr. Savery. The best hats money can buy. They even send you a new one if you lose it!

[@dsesuk]

'Tis true, and I have one myself, but it's a bit of a tight fit around my fat head so doesn't see much use!

[@akey69er]

you should try CEF's M2 rotary isolators... very good, loads of room even when you chose the right size one no need to go the one up

[@DavidMartin-ki1ff]

Quality as always Sir Savery.

[@gavindebrito7117]

Great Video! Very informative and fu$%ing Hilarious as usual! Keep up the Good Work.

[@GiffordsElectrical]

Have you gents tried the SWA storm & Tstorm glands? IP rated and no shroud required

[@wyndavies5044]

Same thinking as you, bought a 20a and a 40a rotary isolator the other day. Thinking the 20 will be fine for my 2.5mm swa and the 40 for the 10mm swa. The bloody two were exactly the same fucking size, i had no hope of fitting tow 10mm in the 40!! What the fuck do these manufactures think we can do? 🙈🙈

[@jordandurham8951]

More often than not there is a car on its roof there, if the road is wet or icy they just slide off.

[@cumberland1234]

I don't think Matt-e devices are suitable for hot tubs - I know they are in the regs for EV chargers but I don't think they are in there for swimming pools/other basins. There's an article in the Summer 2020 Professional Electrician which goes into some of the issues with PME and hot tubs, notably the loading on the combined neutral and earth causing a potential between the PME earth terminal and true earth. It would seem that TT is the best solution. I know the e5 group are currently making noises regarding TN-S on a public network not being guaranteed to not have been made into TN-CS somewhere on the network too.

[@dsesuk]

I need to do further homework myself but as for Pro Electrician, I haven't been able to secure a copy lately despite (apparently) appearing in it for Scolmore!

[@cumberland1234]

David Savery Electrical Services The summer 2020 edition is available to view on their website

[@colinwilson210]

Having been out of the sparking game for ~30 years at domestic level, I've enjoyed catching up with some of the stuff I was rusty on. What's the recommended method of providing an earth to the armour on SWA these days - drill / scrape the paint off the board and bolt through the gland plate, or is it acceptable to make the connection without the gland plate & bolt if it's not being relied on as an earth path (using 3c SWA for instance) ? Are all IP glands a pain in the ass to fit ?

[@CrazySparkie63]

Give me TNS on good old fashioned PILCSTA service cable any day!

[@acelectricalsecurity]

Trouble is, it's highly likely a TNS system is a PME system, despite what you may see at the head.

[@CrazySparkie63]

@@acelectricalsecurity That wouldn't surprise me, when the DNO upgrade the mains cable in the street and and connect it to the old service cable.

[@steverobinson8170]

@@CrazySparkie63 The DNO are a law unto themselves , our street is TNS my supply because of a repair is TNC-S directly linked to the neighbour who's TNC and because of thier bodgery wanted to stick a TT system in my home next to the supply and gas water services (in lead)

[@quinsee66]

Concise explanation, unfortunately still won't scare the cowboys off. Cracking video, better than "Goodfellas"

[@bumbles1584]

Gewiss Rotary Isolators loads of room inside look tidy enough too.

[@dsesuk]

Oho, thanks for the tip. Certainly won't be buying any with piddly enclosures again.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

You have to question the use of a supply, which can be potentially dangerous, but as usual it comes down to cost. Installing a rod is probably the safest option. And as for EV installs, I have not seen anyone install one of those correctly, as JW highlighted even those devices with built in pen protection are not really suitable.

[@fraggit]

I bet he doesn't use that tub much now, with the price of elastictrickery and all that. He'd probably have to work for 6 months just to pay to heat/run it, lol.

[@steveng5503]

🤣 The one I missed! 👍🏻🇬🇧

[@tombuck3576]

I know them country roads like the back of my hand. Seen loads of cars crash on that sharp corner. The pub at Flyford is nice.

[@frimleyfrodo]

I live a couple of miles from Inkberrow. As you say, always cars on their side past that corner or stuck 50 metres into the field! The pub in Flyford Flavel, The Boot is very nice.

[@dsesuk]

@@frimleyfrodo Might have to stop by and sample a pint if I can keep away from parking the van on its side.

[@terenceoconnor1584]

Nice one boys another killer video!!