House GOP grills university presidents over antisemitism on campuses

House Republicans on Tuesday grilled presidents of three of the country's top universities on their efforts to combat antisemitism following the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on Israel. The Morning Joe panel discusses.
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[@markkirkland1433]

I almost fell out of my seat hearing Morning Joe say something the that I agreed with.

[@clairepesarik4897]

Me too

[@mohammadishaque2965]

"From to sea Palestin will be free" saying this genocidal statement but committing one is not.. what a double standard..😂😂😂😂

[@markkirkland1433]

@@mohammadishaque2965 So Mohammed? Isn’t naming yourself after your prophet a bit precocious? Anyway, exactly what part of Palestinian is occupied and what part is to be “liberated?” Gaza hasn’t had rhe IDF in it since 2005. So….. not occupied there. The West Bank? Small groups of Orthodox Jews that are bargaining chips for an agreement. One that PAL’s will surely break.

[@dontmindmeimjustchilling]

​@@mohammadishaque2965 idgaf about terrorists claims of "double standards"

[@alany.9366]

​@@mohammadishaque2965 What genocide was committed by Israel? Palestinian population has actually increased so many in past decades in that area: Population (mid-year, millions) Year West Bank Gaza Total 1970 0.69 0.34 1.03 1980 0.90 0.46 1.36 1990 1.25 0.65 1.90 2000 1.98 1.13 3.11 2010 2.52 1.60 4.12 2014 2.73 1.82 4.55 2021 3.12 2.11 5.23

[@liamm1885]

They were so smug! Unbelievable they can’t denounce racism!

[@Dr_Jeff888]

Jewish students, some minors, are required to be on campus and so these presidents are responsible for their health and safety. Absolutely these presidents must be fired some charged with child abuse

[@RamanSg]

They are afraid of losing their necks above their heads... It is quite simple and straight forward... Americans should thank Obama for such enlightened idiots who are supposedly teaching and 'guiding' the next generation of Americans to convert it into leftist authoritarian plus Muslim nation... Congratulations...

[@juelasejdo1706]

Despicable! They must resign!

[@John.giovanni169]

Oh shut it

[@juelasejdo1706]

@@John.giovanni169 you shut it! I thought we only had a far right but now I see we also have a far left. Do you too support rapists and murderers of little babies?!!!

[@deekneumann3943]

Now they're calling us anti-Semites, because we oppose Zionists, who aren't even Semites. With this kind of logic we should be questioning whether they are even academics.

[@bryanhill1406]

Your just an Arab hater. You just hate arabs a little more than you hate Jewish people.

[@apoc5000]

​@@John.giovanni169you agree with what they said ?

[@junheceta268]

What I am curious to find out is what motivated the three university presidents to stubbornly refuse to answer yes. They wouldn't budge. Why not?

[@Reaper-cm4jr]

Because they agree with the Antisemitic crowd. Now if it was black people being persecuted, it would be an entirely different matter.

[@zackattack21]

Because they are also antisemites.

[@matsborjesson5629]

Qatar money

[@elenalatici9568]

Good question.

[@junheceta268]

​@@matsborjesson5629Too simplistic an answer.

[@santarosa6676]

Finally! So sick of the hypocrisy taking place on these campuses. And yes, I’m an alumni of one of these universities. Call it out!!

[@FromDesertTown]

What is the hypocrisy? MSNBC is making a 100% strawman argument here. When did a student call for the genocide of any of the groups that Joe mentioned, and the college took action? He needs to name at least ONE instance before insinuating that there is some kind of hypocrisy here. You can't just put up straw men to knock down. The university presidents were answering carefully, according to their specifically worded policies. What do we expect them to do - oversimplify their policies just to satisfy a politician who is only grandstanding for political points? All they can do is repeat their universities' policies - they almost certainly didn't make the policies themselves, and are not in a position to change policies on the spot to sound better in a congressional hearing.

[@MayMarmaid]

😂 sure you are!! You couldn’t even pass a basic civics test.

[@agonzalez8924]

since you are a student at one of these schools, can you provide an example of an instance when calling for the genocide of jews was made? because this entire 9 minute segment didnt cite one.

[@bonniejosavland3227]

@@agonzalez8924not a student currently. Is an alumni 😳 you don’t know what an alumni is😜😳💀

[@emilyZA460]

@@MayMarmaid Ironically, your juvenile comment here has done little more than signal that you are not to be taken seriously and are trolling at best.

[@kprasl20]

Absolutely appalling these people are in power at an educational institution!

[@eshalaby5235]

Congress politicians are loyal to AIPAC not to America.

[@johnnygoodman2003]

The problem is anti semitism has been redefined. Every message and communication supporting palestinians is deemed anti semitism now. The jewish people are now so hypersenitive, you are not allowed to say anything the seems like it is against israel. It isnt that anti semitism is on the rise. The definition of anti semitism has changed.

[@alertgasper]

proof they are hired for their rain maker ability to raise money...not to debate intellectually.

[@lukeb6771]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@johnnygoodman2003No. The phrases “from the river to the sea” and “antifada” have very specific meanings. They are not up for interpretation. They are slogans rooted in Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, two internationally recognized terrorist paramilitary groups with the ultimate goal of destroying the country of Israel and its people. These students are chanting the exact same words that terrorists are chanting. You see how that could be intimidating?

[@az..0N3]

Is she a congress women from TelAviv🤔

[@jevaughnclarke6174]

May God help us all.

[@johnnygoodman2003]

The problem is anti semitism has been redefined. Every message and communication supporting palestinians is deemed anti semitism now. The jewish people are now so hypersenitive, you are not allowed to say anything the seems like it is against israel. It isnt that anti semitism is on the rise. The definition of anti semitism has changed.

[@TomWindom]

Yeah, I'll keep forgetting that we have freedom of speech in this country. And don't know body go against the First Amendment freedom of speech. You say it is not freedom of speech. Yes, it is because the first Amendment Protect freedom of speech freedom of speech.

[@andytraiger4079]

If there is a god that helps us, please don't let it be allah because his quran is full of antisemitism. And, also, please don't let it be the god of the new testament, Jesus, since his book is full of antisemitism calling jews "satan's synagogue," "a brood of vipers," has the jews say "Let Jesus' blood be on us and his children," and "You are of your father the devil and your will is to do your father's desires." And come to think of it I hope it's not the Jewish god, because the jewish scriptures of full of verses condemning jews for being unfaitful and evil. I suggest maybe we leave god's out of it. Judge people by their character, not according to some god somebody made.

[@selah71]

​@@johnnygoodman2003 It is the government of Israel that allowed the attack by ignoring their intelligence and the Jewish people have a right to their anger. And, yes, wanting the Palestinians to have rights and their own state doesn't make you antisemitic. At the same time, antisemitism has grown in the US, as has anti-Palestinian, so they're both be fearful and upset. In time this will pass but HOW this will pass is up to us all. Praying for peace! ✌️

[@Justice55339h]

​@@johnnygoodman2003FBI was saying incidents of antiSemititic threats etc. in particular have been on the rise. If you don't support Israel's right to exist, means you are fine with Israel being wiped off the map. If you are constantly attacking them for defending themselves after terrorist attacks etc..that's extreme. Half the Jews in the world live there. Many had nowhere to go after the Holocaust. They faced persecution for millennia because they were exiled from Israel which is their homeland.

[@jameswood88]

This is not about free speech, it is about the values of the university. Employers are allowed to fire individuals who make comments that are allowable under free speech but go against their company values. These universities are essentially saying the calling of genocide is inline with their values.

[@dr.g3860]

Allowing this particular speech on these campuses probably violates title VI, since these universities get federal funding.

[@taikingi3423]

Yeah it is about free speech. Remember the gallows erected on January 6th?

[@bluejava9397]

Which genocide are you talking about? The one happening Gaza with American financial support? Or the “genocide” that’s apparently happening when college students call each other mean names?

[@lashawnj1951]

The hypocrisy in this country smh

[@johnnygoodman2003]

The problem is anti semitism has been redefined. Every message and communication supporting palestinians is deemed anti semitism now. The jewish people are now so hypersenitive, you are not allowed to say anything the seems like it is against israel. It isnt that anti semitism is on the rise. The definition of anti semitism has changed.

[@ronRon-fl1qw]

Copy paste loser

[@sleigh4019]

Think calling on killing all Jews witch is genocide is defined lol..are you clowning us? Its a layup

[@bravo73]

​@@johnnygoodman2003You mean that Hamas definitely supports America and its allies. So supporting Israel is a mistake, right? Palestine and Hamas are two sides of a coin that cannot be separated, the same as Japan and Nagasaki during the second world war.

[@johnnygoodman2003]

@@bravo73 hamas is not palestine.

[@earlputnal9124]

It's pure verbal hatred period!!!? It doesn't matter who it is!!!?

[@Butter9322]

So why is it okay when Congress gives genocidal speech against Palestinians?????

[@carlyar5281]

Yes! Exactly! The hypocrisy is staggering and disgusting

[@ericnatividad1674]

About time MSNBC talks about the truth.

[@John.giovanni169]

Ofcorse they're going to talk about. Else they get canceled

[@Dam-a-fence]

It is not contextual. These people are evil.

[@dauferm]

Ok, I don't understand: of course, calling for the genocide of anyone should be completely unacceptable. I don't understand... they should have asked them the same question for any of the other groups and see what they say.

[@eniselmenic5056]

should you be canceled just for writing it?

[@EG-hw8re]

@@eniselmenic5056 we're talking about them not punishing students who say these kind of things and that is not acceptable. If it's not acceptable to go towards one group, it's not acceptable towards another.

[@eniselmenic5056]

@@EG-hw8re pretty sure the process is underway. it may still be in the investigation stage but that's life. some people call it ACTION. I don;t think calling for genocide is ever ok but singing a song about river to the sea is not calling for genocide it's calling for freedom

[@andrew66862]

The questions were ridiculously badly phrases. If the school policies don't actually explicitly ban genocidal speech as a punishable offense, then the policy is bad, but these answers were honest. "Bullying" and "harassment" have extremely specific definitions. Not every abhorrent statement constitutes one of the two.

[@jeffs7915]

If they called for the genocide of LGBT, they'd be doing backflips.

[@nadineraynor2539]

Old American veteran. Would the calling for the genacide of university presidents be harassment?

[@ironwork92000]

You targeting the president of Harvard?

[@GentlemanJack705]

Not at all. Though, I don't think anyone calling for genocide of any group be warranted legal impediment. Freedom of speech exists for a reason. If we take it away from people because we don't like what they say, is freedom of speech really free?

[@ironwork92000]

@@GentlemanJack705 yep. And as an 'old war let's I thought this is what you are fighting for? Freedom of speech, yes?

[@TexasTexan2024]

Exactly, the concern is the existing genocide, and the kids are asking for the liberation of those facing persecution and murder. It's a plea to cease the government-led genocide, irrespective of any specific religious affiliation. No call for genocide, no antisemitism. This sets the context. Very simple.

[@simonpkiss1035]

No it does not depend on the context, these University presidents are sick, they should all resign.

[@IMeMineWho]

The black lady should have been asked "is calling for the genocide of blacks harassment?" and see what she would say. As a Jewess, it depresses me that this woman does not realize two young Jewish men died in 1964 fighting for the voting rights of blacks.

[@hippodinoreserve6090]

Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner (Rest in Power).

[@selah71]

Yep! I believe a movie called Mississippi Burning is about those 3 young men. One White a two Jews. This is just appalling. With freedoms comes responsibilities, including freedom of speech because words matter.

[@IMeMineWho]

@@hippodinoreserve6090 Remember their names!✌💕

[@IMeMineWho]

@@selah71 She would not have her job without those 3 men sacrificing their lives.

[@selah71]

@@hippodinoreserve6090 And James Chaney!

[@thelastninja4825]

wow, coming out of MSNBC, I am revolted by how disgusting our campuses are

[@user-wj1hc4dd2m]

The CEO of Comcast, which owns MSNBC, is Jewish so this channel is obviously biased.

[@mariannenapoles146]

Me too.

[@lawrencegoldworm]

I'm a Republican but wholeheartedly agree with Joe. The hypocrisy of these educators incredible. These people know better and would say so if not for the large foreign donations they must be receiving from terrorist countries.

[@redachekroune]

biggest terrorist countries are usa and israhell. biggest hypocrits too. sorry to spoil for you

[@dr.g3860]

In the 6 years between 2014 and 2020, Muslim-majority countries together donated $4.86 billion (with a B) to American universities. Over just one year, 2019, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia alone donated a total of $270 million to 144 different US universities.

[@khawaja1951]

Intifada does not equal genocide. By your standard Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was also a “ genocide”.

[@az..0N3]

Is she a congress women from TelAviv🤔

[@andrew66862]

This is so stupid. It's not hypocrisy. They are correct that it does not violate their policy. It's wrong, and the rules are wrong. It's that simple. Their answers are unacceptable, but they're not dishonest. These congresspeople and most of you need to learn basic logic. The policies aren't whatever you want them to be. Focus on the correct arguments here people.

[@bo2.4u6]

What about the calling of genocide of the Palestinian people.!?

[@fernandoquintana3675]

They doesn't care obviously

[@bo2.4u6]

@@fernandoquintana3675 U don't care! The world sees it differently.

[@BigFootTheRealOne]

That is also just as bad, but I don't see people calling for the genocide of Palestinians. But I see plenty of pro Palestine people that talk about their to the Sea song that would require ethnic cleansing

[@user-pt9zf3th6x]

Respect MSNBC.. thank you speaking out

[@bernadetteavetria6474]

You don't need a doctoral degree to answer the question if calling for genocide of jews consider bullying or harassment. To the president of Harvard if one of her staff rant genocide to black people what do you think will be her answer?

[@veronicagriffin5054]

As a black woman, who supports every Jewish person because of the love of their God. You going down a slippery slope. We all know blacks don't have any problems defending themselves, not at all.

[@andrew66862]

"Bullying" and "harassment" have very specific definitions. The question wasn't "is it acceptable," or "is it wrong?" The question was about how specific speech is regarded within the rubric of a specific policy. This whole thing is so stupid. Hate speech not targeted at an individual is abhorrent, and it may or may not be against university policies, but it is definitively *not* bullying or harassment. If it's protected by school policies, that should be addressed. But Stefanik's line of questioning and this analysis are braindead.

[@douggraham5082]

Joe and Mika got it right for once.

[@Independent-Thought]

Is it ok for Jewish students to call for NO ceasefire ?

[@drowningpooralice5505]

Yes, why wouldn't it be? What happened in October, happened during a cease-fire.

[@Independent-Thought]

Isn't that a call for continued deaths of Innocent women and children in Gaza ?@@drowningpooralice5505

[@TizBaz5]

It would not just be okay, it would be correct.

[@frankhathaway6005]

The university trustees need to force these university presidents to resign.

[@dr.g3860]

I read that the board of trustees of Penn called an emergency meeting for this morning following this testimony. The dept of education is also investigating them for title VI violations.

[@williamsinclair-nk4xq]

In a Fascist state the use of force to compel university presidents ( and the captive citizens) to think as the government orders is a means to maintain power and control. Is that what you want?

[@NikolasKepac-zv5vd]

I bet the context doesn’t matter if they were calling for the reinstatement of slavery, double standards

[@Jewpiter613]

Could you imagine what it's like to be a Jewish student at any of these schools and watch this hearing, and seeing the presidents of your university being complicit in antisemitism???

[@loveUK36332]

These presidents should be sacked without any delay. They both are nuts.

[@TizBaz5]

Sack, nuts, I concur.

[@GlennGoryl]

If a particular group of people are being threatened for simply existing in the world, and those in a position to stop it refuse to, then the governors of these states should consider deploying the National Guard on their campuses to protect those being oppressed.

[@jacksonspeed4733]

I haven’t thought about it, but that is something the governors can do hopefully it doesn’t come to that and these universities get their act together

[@aismail8321]

LoL... Who the heck are you even talking about? A Palestinian boy was murdered in cold blood, three students were shot... And still stupids in the US think that calling out a foreign nation for the crimes it commit is somehow racist. How can people be this dumb?

[@adrianh332]

They won't do that because the last time the American national guard was on a university campus during the Vietnam war you got the shootings at Kent state.

[@bluejava9397]

Who is being “threatened”? Please Cite an Actual credible occurrence please. Something that doesn’t include protestors chanting something that is interpreted as “threatening”. An actual planned threat. Just one.

[@bo2.4u6]

Freedom of speech on the speech spalls into context. Don't get it twisted.

[@TizBaz5]

Yes....spalls.

[@bo2.4u6]

@@TizBaz5 too much attention to small petty detail be little oneself. You got the message! And you still got it twisted.

[@petermontalbano3910]

Take away the 3.2 billion taxpayer funding.

[@mtam7575]

The answer is yes, what's wrong with this woman ?

[@danhtran6401]

But it's a school. Isn't that where all the dumb people are?...

[@eshalaby5235]

No one was asking for Jewish genocide. The pro-Palestinian students asked to get their lands back from Zionists. They asked that Israel stop killing Muslims.

[@xiaoka]

why do you hate freedom of speech, Comrade?

[@duncanidaho2097]

What woman?

[@mtam7575]

@duncanidaho2097 the university president; the lady refused to say "yes".

[@AndyA1234]

Finally, MSNBC has provided a non-partisan, objective &, moreover, truthful, piece of analysis & reporting.

[@davidwelch2791]

I think that this is one of those rare occasions that I have to agree with these hosts about this subject matter. Well done. Be safe and be 😎

[@agonzalez8924]

how? there wasnt a single example cited where someone called for the genocide of jews. not one example!

[@MJMcKenzie322]

@@agonzalez8924it’s not the matter of someone calling for the genocide of Jews, but failure to condemn that manner of speech

[@agonzalez8924]

@@MJMcKenzie322 whoa whoa whoa, hold on there buddy. You don't get to move the goalpost. They specifically said they have called for the "genocide of jews", the republican congresswoman said it multiple times, and now these msnbc hosts are repeating it. Any sensible person would ask, when and where did anyone call for the genocide of jews? If you want someone to comment on or speak about a specific topic, you have to give an example of it. Just because the republican congresswoman says it and repeats it several times, does not make it so. These university presidents are not idiots. They know what she meant was the chanting of "from the river to the sea" which was a slogan repeated at some of these protest on college campuses. Which by itself is not a call for genocide, and furthermore is protected speech. They were trying to bait the republican congresswoman to say it, but she wouldn't because she knows it will make her look foolish. That's why she ended her commentary saying they will change the meaning of words in the dictionary if they have to just to ban slogans they don't like. This is literally anti free speech.

[@MonkeyPox4Biden]

Happy Hanukkah

[@DeeWeber]

Friday

[@combatbattalion6]

Yes dems are domestic terrorists

[@RobertBroughman-ot3fn]

Not only should these people be fired these students should be expelled

[@alonzosskinznation2163]

Is this new,no,this is what this country thrive off of

[@l.f.9454]

What does that even mean.."when the speech becomes conduct?" UPENN president. I don't understand.

[@sarahb.8890]

It means when speech is something done in a way where it can actually cause harm/discomfort to someone. Like for example, let’s pretend I hate a guy named Tony. If I went into the middle of an empty field and yelled “I want Tony dead,” that would be wrong, and it would be violent speech, but it wouldn’t be harmful conduct to Tony, and thus the school couldn’t expel me for harassment specifically. Even if I said that to another person without any action or intent to actually do anything to Tony, that wouldn’t be harassment. If I went up to Tony and said “I want you dead,” or convinced a bunch of people to bully him, that WOULD be harassment because I am doing something that makes another individual feel uncomfortable or unsafe. Another question is whether the action occurred in the scope of the university or not. In a lot of cases, unless a transgression is committed on campus or online with campus accounts/devices, many universities will tell you to go to law enforcement because they are less capable of dealing with off-campus offenses. The question the rep asked was intentionally misleading because even if wanting genocide is horrible and might be against DIFFERENT rules, it isn’t inherently harassment, SPECIFICALLY.

[@ronRon-fl1qw]

Speech is violence. Silence is violence

[@Student_Of_Life09]

I wonder what dear Madam Harvard would say if we replace "Jews" with "Blacks," don't jump at me, I'm black.

[@geducam]

They should all resign

[@jasonito23]

I guess it depends on how much money the family making the call donates to the school....

[@aquababy2012]

If only this congresswoman could be so direct regarding the 2020 electon.

[@ohioskane363]

She does not have the moral high ground, despite her dramatic indignation here.

[@dr.g3860]

The worst person you know just made a good point. Heartbreaking.

[@Tyrannosaurus_5000]

Does calling for the Genocide of unborn black children constitute hate speech?

[@liberalshaveitallbackwards4667]

The election that the Democrats rigged? That one?

[@madamepaulettes5337]

Calling for genocide isn't hate speech or harassment dependent on the context?? What would be the context where it would be ok?

[@noelahg79]

Watching these women makes me sick. How did the US education system get here? Something is VERY wrong.

[@zgobermn6895]

This was just unbelievable.

[@aurora_occidentalis2248]

_"It depends on the context."_ The American Left is now past the verge of insanity.

[@Tessmage_Tessera]

Everything depends on context. There are no absolutes.

[@roejogan7770]

@@Tessmage_TesseraYou view Trump in absolutes.

[@aurora_occidentalis2248]

@@Tessmage_Tessera There are _absolutely_ absolutes. Thank you for clarifying your position on genocide.

[@shermandudley5548]

So much for free speech

[@Tessmage_Tessera]

@@aurora_occidentalis2248 Read the First Amendment, bozo. It exists for a reason.

[@user-sl4zc8kr6w]

I thought they were calling for an end to Israel. I would radically oppose that idea. If someone was calling for genocide ,thats not acceptable by any measure. And I should pay closer attention.

[@talihershkovitz689]

And what does the end of Israel look like?

[@TheLeftwheel]

Its weird that they don't say what the hate speech was. Protesting ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and wanton bombing of civilians isn't antisemitism. And being anti-Israel isn't being antisemitic. So what was the hate speech?

[@toddsmith6681]

To me it’s hate speech and uttering threats and action should be taken against the people uttering the threats.

[@JC-tq8gm]

Yes, let's turn this into a society where we are all afraid to say anything but "good day". Problem with your idea is that someone else gets to determine what a threat is and that is subjective. Why the big push lately to strip our rights? If you don't like what someone says, don't listen to them. The last thing we need in this country is the word police. They have that in Britain you know and you can't even tell jokes. That's how bad it's gotten.

[@NiteMoves2010]

Including potus 45.

[@ryanlp5628]

What would happen if you stood in the quad at Harvard with a sign that said “trans women are not women.” Yeah, betting there would be zero tolerance in that case…

[@Sturmavk]

Apparently, and according to the University President, you have to actually commit gen oh side as a student at Harvard in order to break the code of conduct. Calling for gen oh side and intimidating fellow students on campus is totally okay.

[@TizBaz5]

The call to genocide was acted on physically, so that's how we know it was harassment!

[@noobgonebad9860]

Crazy world we live in, 1933-1945 all over again

[@jasonmeadows712]

The arrogant smirking on that ladies face when she answered questions maked me very very angry and disgusted.

[@heidechristinepatterson8778]

To me it sounds like the college policies the MIT president cited are merely a reflection of employment law. See here what the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has to say on ‘Harassment’: "Harassment is a form of employment discrimination that violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967, (ADEA), and the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, (ADA). Harassment becomes unlawful where 1) enduring the offensive conduct becomes a condition of continued employment, or 2) the conduct is severe or pervasive enough to create a work environment that a reasonable person would consider intimidating, hostile, or abusive. Although the law doesn't prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not very serious, harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted)."

[@mr.saturn7833]

I’m stunned! Joe and the rest of the crew making some sense. Never thought I’d see the day. 😆

[@mariannenapoles146]

Me either.

[@321edr]

The question they should ask her is - how much money did you receive from Qatar and Saudi Arabia ? Most weirdos presidents I ever seen.

[@bobhaare4576]

Totally dumbfounded by the stupidity of such supposedly extremely well educated leaders of academia.

[@TooBadThatDidntKillMe]

They're also grilling university presidents on why there isn't enough Islamophobia on those campuses.

[@user-fm5je3kz5q]

Islamophobe another made up word by crazy leftist

[@roejogan7770]

So you should be more Islamophobic then since that’s what you want.

[@JC-tq8gm]

Somebody always reading the wrong answers into a problem to make things worse. lol

[@bo2.4u6]

My ancestors went through 400 years of this right here in America. And worse!!

[@livefreedrivenh6067]

Going back thousands of years for Jewish ancestors who also experienced worse. Not even including ww2

[@Reaper-cm4jr]

SO your ancestors got here 3 years after the Pilgrims?

[@bo2.4u6]

@@Reaper-cm4jr1619. In the bottom of a ship as slaves. And part of the indigenous people that were here before Christopher Columbus.

[@Reaper-cm4jr]

@@bo2.4u6 And you can trace your ancestry back to that time?

[@Duude125]

@@Reaper-cm4jrThat would be impossible to do so you probably won’t get a reply from him.

[@philipiano001]

If this language was directed at other minorities the narrative would be totally different. 🤔

[@pedroromero5864]

Too many wrong students visas

[@mathiasbartl903]

Where are all the people that were so worried about censorship on college campuses and cancel culture?

[@davidcohen7106]

🦆The Ministry of Peace oversees war The Ministry of Love carries out the torture of political prisoners and serve as the police of Oceania The Ministry of Truth is in charge of changing the content in history books and in the news to agree with the Party’s beliefs

[@avgrando2024]

Is it ok to call for the genocide of Black people or LGBTQ people on campuses? If it is not then it is not ok to call for the Genocide of Jews on campus. This is not something hard to understand. Calling for genocide of any group of people can incite violence. Preventing the incitement of violence is not censorship.

[@yitzchakmordechai]

​@@road2moralitylooks like you have a long road to find morality

[@MsMak12356]

@@road2morality Your reply to mathiasbartl903 sounds rather anti-semitic. "Road to morality"? Really?

[@alexamorris8411]

​​@@road2moralityJewish lives are precious. Does it anger you that some people are trying to protect Jewish people from hate crimes or harassment?

[@eniselmenic5056]

part of the problem is that people keep saying the by singing "from the river to the sea" you are saying genocide... so "it depends on the context" of things like that

[@hagaycohen866]

Here is the context: at the wake of a brutal attack on Jews by an organization that call for the genocide of Jews, students at elite colleges supported Hammas and calked for Palestinians to eliminate Jews between the Mediterranean and the Jordan river

[@odedrokachify]

The question wasn’t about any phrase-question was simply if calling for the genocide of Jews…not what constitute a call for genocide.

[@TizBaz5]

And even if someone thinks that it's not a call to genocide, at the very least it is a dog whistle chanted to harass and intimidate Jewish students. So therefore it would qualify as harassment anyway.

[@childoforion444]

God bless you reporters, the Lord sees you for your devotion to justice. Jewish people need you, thank you for your fearless advocacy.

[@mikedvm7478]

Glad to see MSNBC finally on the right side

[@be643]

Its a vague question. "Calling for" something isnt specific enough for the presidents to be certain to say they should be expelled. I believe the students should be expelled if they call for the genocide of anyone. But ask a better question.

[@Evocati-Augusti]

look at what sound she makes and her face when he says he going to list the groups 5:06

[@grinningturtle]

Then her reaction when he said the c-word by accident (I think). 😮

[@johnborek692]

I'm a conservative and I support what you guys say... Thank you!!!! Finally I love America and my freedom I'm scared..

[@davidcohen7106]

"Even though that proof exists in his “own consciousness”, memory is extremely unreliable due to the Party’s grip on reality and history. The Party’s power over history and truth creates a disorientated and undependable memory. This distrust of one’s own recollections allows the Party ultimate control over the history of their society." -Nineteen Eighty-Four... Internet, the genie that they are DESPERATELY trying to wrangle/wrestle back INTO THE BOTTLE

[@James-dtexTexas]

What you’re saying is similar to Biden’s recollection of his past history and actions. Imaginary rhetoric to bolster his own history as a means to support a momentary narrative. Got it !

[@neerajamb]

Why are these 3 women smiling smugly?! Are they out of touch with the world?!

[@321edr]

"Depending on the context.." what a jock !!

[@Independent-Thought]

The issue here is these Presidents knew Stefanik was referring to the phrase “from the river to sea Palestine will be free”. They should have said explicitly calling for the genocide of the Jews violates their code of conduct and then used the context argument to debate her on the phrase…..

[@tl-ih8uk]

But one said that she heard the call to Intifada. Not just from the river to the sea.

[@ronRon-fl1qw]

So, even taken as a hypothetical, it’s should be blatantly easy to answer

[@grinningturtle]

💯

[@Independent-Thought]

@@tl-ih8uk Intifada means “to shake off”. It also describes a resistance that occurred twice in the Palestinian Territories. Again just because you associate an Arabic term with something doesn’t mean it’s a threat against another student. What next we can’t say “revolution” because some are violent? Meanwhile while congress is focusing on this Israel is killing thousands of women and children as we speak. Classic misdirection…

[@tl-ih8uk]

@@Independent-Thought since the term Intifada was used as the name of a violent uprising, then yes, it is a call for a violent uprising. I don't care what language it is, it terrorized every Israeli for years and put peace in that region further and further. Thankfully America is backing Israel in their defeat against a terrorist state. Tell Hamas to surrender and no women and children would get hurt. All those deaths are on Hamas hands.

[@MLopez-fu8fd]

Wow!!! Surprised to hear MSDNC actually come down on the side of REASON for a change!!! Kudos to them!! 😌🤓

[@surviveunplugged]

Not surprising. It's Republicans doing the "grilling", so the Democrats are going to be against it. Both sides exist for the purpose of criticizing the other. Democrats will hold hearings on racism and the Republicans will say the same thing. Partisan Politics in action, that's all.

[@MayMarmaid]

Fascists are the dumbest among us. Congrats.

[@JohnMoreno1958]

Yes. We all turn to Fox for facts...

[@user-wj1hc4dd2m]

The CEO of Comcast, which owns MSNBC, is Jewish so this channel is obviously biased.

[@Reaper-cm4jr]

Doesn't happen very often.

[@califleadog5657]

What ever happened to freedom of speech? This is classic cancel culture. They had to put a Black face on the panel!

[@ramsgaard8780]

It’s such an easy question. Jesus. What it happening

[@MonkeyPox4Biden]

I got my B A degree in Hate from Harvard University

[@roejogan7770]

@@nigeltufnel9525Well it’s a fact that Harvard was discriminating and required a court order to stop its practice of discriminating.

[@eshalaby5235]

Really, it seems you don't go to any college!

[@joshr.6785]

Joe, they said that calling for the extermination of Jews would not necessarily qualify as bullying or harassment. They didn't say it was acceptable, Stefanik would only allow a yes or no response.

[@user-rb4du6zb9t]

They didn't answer yes or no so that's an irrelevant point. And they basically said it's acceptable. Because otherwise they would've said something like: "well it doesn't fall under our bullying guidelines but it does fall under our xyz guidelines and is therfore not allowed"

[@xiaoka]

Stefanik didn't want to hear an explanation, she decided already that some speech was definitely a crime and wanted them to agree with her so she could blame them for something someone said rather than what they've done..

[@derekroberts1693]

If you're going to be dishonest, at least be intellectually dishonest. If there aren't rules against something then by definition it is "acceptable". The relevant definition of "acceptable" is "able to be tolerated or allowed", so if these schools allow calls for genocide that means calls for genocide are acceptable.

[@user-pv2fs6iv2q]

Nah, what they said was that if it was accompanied by *action,* it would be bullying or harassment.

[@FromDesertTown]

Exactly! The nuance in your comment is important, and flew over the heads of almost everyone in the comments here. They answered the exact question they were asked, sticking to the wording of their universities' policies. What else can they do? They are representing universities, not grandstanding politicians who can move the goalposts and change wording around to sound better to their audience.

[@57...---]

Then that should go for the ex-president too. When he does his speeches and talks about american people that is violence

[@redordead4491]

Maybe the GOP should concentrate on it's own JOE!!!

[@Reaper-cm4jr]

No, they are already concentrating on Your Joe. Coming to a news channel near you VERY soon.

[@MonkeyPox4Biden]

this pronoun is a witch

[@ianrowland1593]

People that won’t answer easy questions don’t get to ask easy questions. Of course talking about the genocide of Jews is wrong. The genocide of any, of any race is wrong. They should have answered yes. However, Stefanik doesn’t get to avoid easy questions like “Is Trump as liar” which requires only one answer yes, and then grandstand on an issue like this. She is from the party of “There were fine people on both sides” when those fine people were chanting “Jews will not replace us”. That is antisemitism exhibit A. Where’s the performative outrage at that??

[@hagaycohen866]

Stefanik also promoted the great replacement theory. She is cynically using antisemitism. That said the 3 presidents are either complete idiots or also cynically beholden to other interests

[@Hyrule_Origin]

"However, Stefanik doesn’t get to avoid easy questions like “Is Trump as liar” which requires only one answer yes, and then grandstand on an issue like this." Wut? This committee is focused on the issue of antisemitism on college campuses. Why are you bringing up Trump, stupid.

[@beckettman42]

Criticize the apartheid or land grabbing or being forced to pay for it and you are worse than Notsees

[@LetsGoBills1]

Shocking!

[@kellypedersen6590]

From the party who has a large part of their base parading around with signs sayong "Jews Will Not Replace Us".

[@Thisweekinman]

Seriusly

[@thirdstringallpro6264]

You mean what’s happening in these universities

[@libertas5005]

no, he means what happened when the tiki torch crowd was marching the streets@@thirdstringallpro6264

[@peppeddu]

I am actually on the side of the university presidents. In America we punish the deed not the words. As much as I hate calling for the killing of anyone, as long as the speech doesn't lead into action it is free speech. The answer to speech you don't like is not less speech but more speech as said by the Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis with the "counterspeech doctrine".

[@alexgallardo9149]

these school presidents dont seemed to answer the question a simple one . spill it out or resign

[@bo2.4u6]

Joe you getting it all wrong!

[@Armystrong996]

These universities have and has held these views for years.

[@EffSharp]

Yep. Lefty here. I actually laughed at conservatives who told me that blm leaders were antisemitic and I called them racists. I laughed at conservatives who said that our liberal universities were indoctrinating students to hate Jews. I was wrong. I wish more people had the ability to say those words. I. Was. Wrong.

[@josephjones825]

China Joe can save the day because (as he has repeatedly told us) he grew up in the black churches & synagogues of Delaware simultaneously. 🤥

[@vancemead5956]

You know you're lying. We know you're lying.

[@nigeltufnel9525]

Farcical and worthless Winston.

[@tflg3257]

Joe did say it. 🤣😂

[@ilanzelig5454]

fatal mistake the West dont understand the difference between culture and values. multicultural refugees entered the West. its fruitful for every nation. The problem is with refugees from Arab countries, came different values. who are oppost Western values. Different value of human life. women's equality and racism. west will change!

[@lanes58]

These college Presidents, have been coached on how to answer. They sound like robots.

[@JimRyser]

They absolutely are. They can’t think for themselves.

[@seandean6387]

"One thing: I want my Republican colleagues to give me one thing-one-that I can go campaign on and say we did. One! Explain to me one material, meaningful, significant thing the Republican majority has done." - Chip Roy House floor 11/15/23

[@scottharrison8701]

Everyone knows, except you, that Roy was being hyperbolic. He wasn't being literal. You think his hyperbolic rhetoric is reality. We are laughing at you for posting it

[@fjbjb7734]

we freed the slaves from the demonic dems.

[@turretplug6858]

*point and laughs at you….

[@jeovanneramos5066]

​@scottharrison8701 sure , so what have the republicans actually done?

[@oppressedspeakeroftruth6558]

Republicans have helped Americans live better lives. What have democrats done? Bless look at california. Homelessness expanded. Great job democrats. We get less but pay more. Great job democrats! That donkey you have as your mascot really makes sense now

[@workingtoseethelight8244]

An eye for an eye leaves us all blind, we need peace, love, and forgiveness. Blessings to all who struggle, may we all give up our hate and see each other as one consciousness struggling to know and love itself. Everyone, please be nice.

[@thewkovacs316]

understanding an eye for an eye the way you do is a perversion of what it really means it means monetary compensation for damages...not literally putting out someone's eye

[@avgrando2024]

There is no peace and love in Islam. It is written in their texts. It has been practiced for 1400 years. Convert and live under sharia law, become second class citizens and pay tax while living under sharia law, or die. Those are your options.

[@thelastninja4825]

islam does not permit peace with Jews unless they are humiliated

[@TizBaz5]

Be nice to whom? To these university presidents, who make millions of dollars pandering to foreign countries like China and Qatar, and who make statements like these?

[@TizBaz5]

What about being nice to Jews? Do you think allowing calls for genocide is nice?

[@nadavivry6503]

Dear lefties, if she was asked 'Does Calling For all African American's to be our slaves' Violate Harvard's Code Of Conduct?' and she would answer 'it depends on the context' with a smirk on her face, would you react the same? you would give her credit for being Black herself?

[@OPAL26751]

I was not expecting this to be so grounded. Kudos when deserved

[@margaretscharff7792]

Thank you Joe!!!

[@knowyourfiction9591]

I really, really dislike Stefanik. But, this is a pretty disturbing hearing. Calling for genocide… we can’t be doing that. America is better than that. At least, I thought we were 😢

[@JC-tq8gm]

Not lately...

[@elfili77]

they call it hate speech when you say there are two genders but not this one?

[@Stevedrums741]

Not a single Democrat.....Says all I need to know about the Party and where it stands. My poor Mom is rolling in her grave.

[@rachelk4805]

I mean... I can't get behind people who want to protect Jewish people in Israel but not Americans in America who also assert that they put "America first." Like, cool story bro... Incite more violence here and pretend that you care about violence elsewhere.

[@JustinsDVDandVHSOpenings2015]

A rare Republican W-acknowledging objective reality! although even that seems to be a high bar to reach in 2023.

[@Butter9322]

Palestinian children bombed to death while Jewish teens cry the people of America don't support genocide. Ridiculous.

[@lisacimarik7315]

Lol, you are a lefty and you talk about objective reasoning. Reason, objective or not, has become a misnomer in your party. Thanks for the laugh 😅

[@JustinsDVDandVHSOpenings2015]

@@lisacimarik7315 So… acknowledging when your political opponent gets something right *isn’t* being objective? Ad hominem much?

[@Aitruev]

@@JustinsDVDandVHSOpenings2015 Your comment is a W don't worry about it 🔥Saying any group should all be slaughtered is awful and humans need to become less comfortable expressing hatred like this. We need to remember that it's not black and white and that everyone is human.

[@lisacimarik7315]

@@JustinsDVDandVHSOpenings2015 don't be coy ... you and I both know what your intentions are with your comment. Gaslighting is unbecoming no matter what party you affiliate with. Own your b.s. and grow up.

[@LongDuckDong84]

Harvard is full of hate

[@combatbattalion6]

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