HOUSE OF THE DRAGON 2X1 REACTION "A Son for A Son" HEATED DISCUSSION!!!

[@Pain_zaki_payne]

Remember guys, Aegon II and Aemond are Rhaenyra’s younger brothers, not her nephews.

[@juniorgunter7123]

Bruh these people are so inbred that keeping track of their family tree is like solving a jigsaw puzzle lol

[@hayleenicole9326]

Technically they’re both 😂. Typical Targaryens lol

[@monlovchel]

@@hayleenicole9326😂

[@carykneller1159]

It is kind of funny how many people still think Helaena is just talking crazy nonsense. Helaena has been predicting the future the entire series. She did it a couple times in season one.

[@dismembered_chicago4015]

Like about Aemond " He has to lose an eye first" "And the beast is below the floor". The queen that never was and her dragon escaping.

[@mamakat114]

Haleana muttered 2 profecies in Season 1. One was "he'll have to lose an eye" Aemond did after he finally got a dragon. Two, "there's a beast beneath the boards" then Rhaenys barged in with her dragon.

[@691ratatataa3]

“Not the Dragons…The Rats” words played right when I realized

[@Freya1412]

Oh she was spitting prophecy at Laena's funeral too.

[@rexibhazoboa7097]

what did she whisper that the subtitles didnt pick up?

[@hayleenicole9326]

@@rexibhazoboa7097something along the lines of “They want the boy”

[@SaoirseSchneider]

messengers are protected by law. literally no one could’ve expected such outrageous outcome. Aemond was the one who decided to chase 14 year old boy on a war dragon..

[@zerinho001]

Protegido por lei, quem segue a lei nesse mundo ? lol

[@mereassassinates550]

@@zerinho001Umm everybody who follows kings, Queens & Lords but Of the rule family follow they own laws

[@ily-vsl]

@@zerinho001 the comment was pointing out that this whole outcome is simply Aemonds fault because he acted foolish to follow him with a traumatized war dragon - laws beside he literally started a war.

[@Prince_the_One]

@@ily-vsl a lot of fans at home knew it would end badly, idk why you're trying to act like it was completely unpredictable

[@edn]

I understand your point about the "law" and "messengers" but I want to ask you if YOU would send your son out on that mission knowing the tension between everyone? I'm just curious. -Adison

[@ayeshabjordan]

Rhaenyra had no reason to think Luke would get hurt. She had no way to know Aemond would be there. Lord Corlys and everyone else around the table co-signed it.

[@Prince_the_One]

Thats all well and good, but even sitting at home on my couch I thought it was a bad idea to send her child on that mission, and Im pretty sure a bunch of other fans immediately felt it was a bad idea as well.

[@rbell643]

@@Prince_the_Oneagreed…the throne was usurped & of course the greens were gonna be doing the same thing…going around getting people to back them. They should’ve kept them home.

[@DopestBeauty07]

@@Prince_the_Oneyea but alot thought it was a bad idea because of what might await him at his destination, not what would happen during flight, as the only thing that could take down a dragon that high in the skys would be another dragon. im sure none of them were thinking hed be taken out by another dragon….

[@Prince_the_One]

@@DopestBeauty07 we all knew something bad would happen lmao

[@itaimgidlana5001]

​@@Prince_the_One Stormsland is closer to Dragonstone and is a quick flight away. Her older sin was the one that suggested to be the ones to deliver the message instead of ravens to show how serious Rhaenarya is about asking for support

[@mongraal35.z44]

Its a crime to kill a messenger, so the likelyhood of them dying was very low, which is why the Baratheon lord said “the boy came here as a envoy, take the prince safely back to his dragon”. And it was also a move to show respect that the 2 princes come themselves to forge the support from there kingdoms. Imo Rhynaera had no fault in the death of her son. It was all just unfortunate circumstances

[@rexibhazoboa7097]

Daemon has attempted to kill a messenger twice in season 1 only. He also beat one to a pulp in episode 3. So its wild that Daemon's wife thinks only her husband is crazy like that

[@mongraal35.z44]

@@rexibhazoboa7097 ik but thats when viserys was king, he let him slide with alot of shit.if it was anyone else they wouldve been taken to kingslanding to await the kings justice

[@mongraal35.z44]

@@rexibhazoboa7097 and i also dont think Rhynaera thought that any lord would risk the safety of there house for killing not only a messenger but the son of the Royal family instead of the greens and it just so happened that a greens member was already there in Aemond

[@pitoseavy4523]

​@@mongraal35.z44bad response you can't see deamon getting away with stuff like this & think aemond or someone else wouldn't💯deamon literally beat a guy to death & you want to use his brother the king card ?

[@mongraal35.z44]

@@pitoseavy4523 i understand that, i dont support Daemons actions but im merely stating the obvious reasons behind Daemon not facing any serious consequences. Viserys was Fair and kind, However gullible and paranoid, and too blind to see the vultures slowy creeping up to his carcass until it was too late. But Rhynaera is not responsible for Daemons actions so i dont know why it was bought up in the first place. I simply stated on the original comment on why i thought IN MY OWN OPINION, That Rhynaera shouldnt be held at fault for the death of Lucerys. That was all👍

[@user_outtacomission]

22:05 she is not crazy.. she has been predicting shit since 6th ep in season 1. He'd have to lose an eye( aemond lost his eye one eposode later) Dragons of flesh weaving dragons of thread (hightowers treason), beast beneath the boards(meleys destruction during aegon's coronation) rats in this ep. If only they listened to her more🤷‍♀️

[@itaimgidlana5001]

She's a dragon dreamer

[@annabond6272]

@@itaimgidlana5001 she's not a dreamer she has a gift of foresight.

[@CottageGremlin]

Not sure how people keep missing that Helena is clairvoyant... but they do.

[@martalicata2353]

That’s what Daemon wanted, in the book he specifically asked for it, in the show it was subtle, when Cheese asks what they should do if they couldn’t find aemond, daemon grins at them. Also when blood says the frase “ a son for a son “ the only time we hear that is when Daemos says it to Rhaenys, so he told them the same…

[@itsthatgirl98_]

It was Mysaria who make Blood and Cheese

[@jay-7379]

18:20 bros so dumb. Envoys are too not be attacked. Same way Otto was never harmed every time he went to Dragon Stone. Rhaenyra expected the same for her sons. It’s not her fault Aemond is a psycho and murdered him for a childhood feud

[@BohdanaSmutok]

The same kind of psycho as her husband, by the way. Let me remind you that Daemon attacked his brother's envoy on the Stepstones and almost killed him

[@kordei-7839]

This is so rude he has a point because look what happened

[@OpeningsOpenings]

You two were the only reactors I have seen who noticed the Alicent and Aemond reflection that each said the other was “angry”

[@kevinseely6632]

The princess now queen is clairvoyant, that was shown in the first season. You tended to talk a lot during her dialogue, so you missed some of her predictions that came true in season 1.

[@deinmaoremodu326]

It’s annoying how they aren’t paying attention to be very honest. I mean, that’s what we get for a reaction video.

[@hp5732]

If you don’t like it, piss off. I honestly like their commentary (especially Adison’s) over you idiots who take yourselves and the show too seriously.

[@tiffanyphillips6086]

You can't blame the mother for her own son's death.Are you crazy?She done what she thought was best

[@edn]

Respectfully. I think she made a terrible decision to let her son go through with that plan as a mother. Especially knowing everything that was at stake and the tension that was between the two families. -Adison

[@LuvFearlessly]

Yeah. That was primarily Aemond’s fault. Hes the one who chose to mess around and act like an idiot. Jace’s mother had no reason to suspect her half brother would go that far. Even if she had though, Aemond is still the one who committed the act. It’s his bad.

[@aishwarya8241]

@lgth.jne2 honestly it’s more Luke’s fault for seeing vhagar and not bouncing. If I saw my scary uncles whose Eye I took outs dragon I’d leave

[@itaimgidlana5001]

​@@edn Stormsland is closer to Dragonstone and is a quick flight away. Her older sin was the one that suggested to be the ones to deliver the message instead of ravens to show how serious Rhaenarya is about asking for support and tge other lords at the table agreed with the older child about using the boys as messengers cause it speaks volumes

[@purplequeen833]

I can see both sides of the argument but I personally put more blame on aemond. How you chase someone on a dragon and not expect things to go wrong? And everyone was in agreement about sending the boys, even the boys wanted to go to prove themselves like how rhaenyra went to talk to daemon in season 1 to get the egg back even though her father was against it. She wanted to give them a chance and it just went wrong.

[@eryngisel]

“Kid brother uncle son” 😂 Aegon and Aemond are Rhaenyra’s half little brothers. Her actual nephew would be Aegon’s son which the two men murdered at the end.

[@NRTHK-wv9sb]

AEMOND IS HER BROTHER NOT NEPHEW

[@TheKing_Sam]

A couple of extra details from the episode. When Rhaenyra found the body on the beach and was mourning for her son lucerys, her dragon syrax was the mother of arrax lucerys’s dragon so she was probablymourning her child too. Also when jacerys came back sad after hearing the news you two didn’t realize or remember that it was his idea to even go out and be the messanger so he may feel guilty for his death

[@lyricmezzosoprano5357]

Halaena (the Queen) isn’t just traumatized. She has severe intellectual delays (and also the power of prophecy that some Targaryens possessed). So all of this horrific shit she’s going through is through the lens of someone who is seriously developmentally delayed.

[@Alex-bz8lj]

It’s funny cuz everyone thought Aegon would be just like Joffrey but he’s actually pretty chill

[@mymaynee5963]

aegon is not a good oerson lmao, still a rapist alcoholic

[@darrellhenry9152]

He grapes people

[@Alex-bz8lj]

@@darrellhenry9152so did Jaime Lannister

[@giants2k8]

I didn’t expect him to be anything like Joffrey tbh. His flaws have always been lust, alcohol and being carefree. I’m glad they didn’t make him a one-dimensional bad guy though. Joffrey was spoilt and coddled by Cersei, and he never had a stable authority figure or active father in his life. Robert even told him that he should’ve spent more time with him. I believe Joffrey might’ve turned out differently if Robert had raised him the way him and Ned were raised. Obviously Jamie couldn’t really be that father figure for him. Because, you know… the whole incest thing. 😂 Once you give an already immature and cruel kid (he was 12 when he took the throne in the books), it’s a recipe for utter calamity. He was literally given the power to sentence anyone who he didn’t like or annoyed him a death sentence. And he showed how fickle and impetuous he was before taking the throne.

[@Melodicroger]

Aegon wants to be liked…it’s why he over promised at court. Good on the show for not doing a Joffrey copy.

[@SilveryRow]

Always a pleasure. I thought it was fascinating how Aegon wanted to make just proclamations to the smallfolk and treated them kindly but was blocked by Otto. Even though we know he's a terrible person, it shows that he did learn something from Viserys (and maybe Alicent).

[@NyikoDoris]

1) Rhaenys not burning The Greens was twofold: to tell the audience she holds more restraint than everyone and wonder if the Realm would’ve been better off if she had been named all those years ago AND because kinslaying is almost worse than death in this world. Officially no war had started and even if it had, Rhaenys hadn’t declared for anyone yet. If it were now when she’s firmly on Team Black, she WOULD do something but then it was not her usurpation or succession claim to burn the Hightowers for. 2) Rhaenyra believed her sons would be safe because of Westerosi custom. Luke was an envoy and they *cannot* be attacked, and on top of that he was a Prince and an heir to the most wealthy House in Westeros, he was too important for anyone rational to kill. Luke was 14, royal and expected to take over Driftmark, he had to be seen as a ‘young man’ serving the Realm…he had to ‘earn’ his inheritance and BE proactive. Rhaenyra also agrees to Jacaerys idea that they deliver the messages because she wanted to do better by her kids than Viserys did by her growing up: she was called heir and yet every time she tried to voice an idea her father shot her down and made her feel small and stupid, she listened to her heir’s suggestion and agreed that a mission where they COULD NOT be hurt would be the best way for them to show the Realm they take their duties seriously AND build their confidence in speaking up, that their mother even as queen will still want to BUILD her children

[@edn]

Thanks for sharing you thoughts and for tapping in with us as we check out this series! ❤️🙏🏾 My only feedback about the statement that “envoys shouldn’t be attacked” is simple. People break the rules everyday within or without the show. Do we REALLY expect people to be fair when we are at war with them?? I’m not chancing my child against an enemy like that… -Adison

[@NyikoDoris]

@@edn the unfortunate thing is that while it seems naive to us, Rhaenyra especially cannot look as though she doesn’t trust those whose support she needs to be true to their word. Any perceived slights could cost her a House that might be the difference between her ascendancy or failure, and she WAS simply too trusting. She hasn’t been to war and didn’t believe that it had started as evidenced by her saying she wants to prevent war and Daemon rebutting that the Hightowers have declared it already. People in HER life hadn’t let her down horribly yet, she saw more of life tragedies in family death but never had anyone plot her murder or those she loves. It’s an error yes but one that is easy to understand WHY it happened

[@lsoo]

​@@edn To add to what @NyikoDoris said, the Baratheons were relations. It would have been seen as an insult to have sent some "lesser" lord as a messenger when Jace was sent to the Starks.

[@_justinblizzle]

​@@ednno one was at war thou, not officially, least of all the Targaryens and the Baratheons. They were trying to win their support.

[@edn]

@@_justinblizzle I did mention the brink of war as well. If I’m even close to being at war with someone there are serious issues at hand. -Adison

[@mgray3374]

The Queen is Rhaenyra “Rah-near-a” not Rhaenyrs. Normally I wouldn’t care but we have 3 characters with a very similar name. Rhaenyra-the queen Rhaenys “Ray-niece”- Corlys’ wife Rhaena “Ray-na”- one of Daemon’s daughters

[@lafields08]

Alicent’s grief for Luke isn’t fake. She didn’t order his death. It wasn’t her idea to usurp the throne. She’s useless and just along for the ride. She sucks bc she’s sanctimonious and a hypocrite, and her weak-ass motherhood got us here. She doesn’t want any of this. She was manipulated into believing she has to do it, and allowed herself to believe it’s the right thing to do. But she didn’t want that boy dead. Just like Daemon and Rhaenyra didn’t want the baby dead. In family feuds, feelings are complex. Alicent is a twit but she is genuinely sad for all their loss.

[@izmcgee61]

Alicent is the only honorable one in the show

[@donvalladares6930]

they did what daemon wanted

[@Jlpro_1]

Um no its left to interpretation

[@donvalladares6930]

@@Jlpro_1 blood say he wants son for a son and that's what daemon said to rheanyra where did blood hear that daemon it was the back up plan if they didn't find aemond

[@lilymikaelson671]

How does that make any sense? ​@@donvalladares6930

[@redtez]

​​​@@Jlpro_1most would think that yeah it means Aemond but they actually got one better in terms of sons. Lucerys was only second in line to the throne whilst the little boy was the Hightowers heir to it.

[@crystalk98]

Alicent >"we cannot....again"....while nodding her head 😅

[@Moompl]

In the books Blood&Cheese is much different. First off, Aemond is never mentioned to be the target, and Rhaenyra is not the one to incite the mission. Daemon sends Rhaenyra a letter from Harrenhal (in the books he is already there) that says- “An eye for an eye, a son for a son. Lucerys will be avenged”. B&C sneak into the Tower of the Hand, which is not guarded as heavily as Maegor’s Holdfast-where Aemond was-and they head for Alicent’s chambers, who was getting ready for bed (Criston and her are not a thing in the book). Helaena and her three children (Jaehaerys, Jaehaera, and Maelor, who was not present in the show version) were on the way for their nightly visit to Alicent. When they get there, they find Alicent tied to the bed and her bedmaid strangled. Blood bars the door and Cheese takes Maelor and tells Helaena to choose which son of hers will die. Helaena pleads that they kill her instead but they refuse, siting- “An eye for an eye, a son for a son. A wife is not a son.” Cheese tells her that if she does not choose then Blood will grape her daughter and they will kill everyone in the room. Eventually, Helaena chooses Maelor, her younger son. Maybe it was because she thought he would be too young to understand , or perhaps it was because the elder boy, Jaehaerys, was Aegon’s first born and heir. Cheese holds Maelor up and whispers to him- “You hear that, little one, your momma wants you dead”. Then, in one clean motion, Blood strikes of the older boys-Jaehaerys’s-head, and the two take off with it. When the guards finally burst through the door, they find Helaena grasping her son’s headless body to her, mad with grief. So yeah, Blood&Cheese is much more tame in the show.

[@em.415]

Sick

[@tanimal3964]

I was waiting years for this scene because it was so shocking in the book, this was... underwhelming....

[@margaretconnor5623]

I would not call the slow beheading of a still alive 4 year old 'tame'. They slit his throat and immediately began cutting. A slit throat isn't immediate death, if they got the artery the fastest would be around 10 seconds, but they did cut the vocal chords based on the cut off scream. But the child WAS STILL ALIVE when they began sawing off his head. HOW is that tame? That poor child was still alive when they started slicing through his neck to behead him and would have been alive for a good 5-10 seconds of it. Stop right now, and count 5-10 seconds. That's a long time to feel your head being cut off. At least in the book the boy had the mercy of a quick beheading. Y'all can act like the choice between Jahaerys and Maelor is worse, but it really isn't when you stop and think about how brutal and painful Jahaerys' death is in the show. Choosing between your sons or seeing your son be slowly beheaded while still alive are both FUCKED and not tame at all.

[@Chasingdreams25]

And all of it is hearsay

[@f__a.04]

Been waiting on this reaction😭

[@tuber7081]

Yall know this is 100+ years before game of thrones, Right?

[@rexibhazoboa7097]

doesnt matter. This universe literally does not progress. GRRM wrote it like that. So there wont be much inventions even in a thousand years. They are stuck in stagnation

[@tuber7081]

@@rexibhazoboa7097 it does matter. What you wrote has nothing to do with my question. That wasn’t my point

[@xbigreddawgx]

Why do people continue to look at these shows with 2024 filters on? "I wouldn't have".... "She shouldn't have". You all have to remember that certain things that were acceptable in that world we can not fathom. Being a prince brings a certain level of expectation. Add to the fact that Luke was a dragon rider he was the best equipped to go on this mission. Especially since it was SUPPOSED to be a simple low risk one.

[@edn]

Things that aren’t SUPPOSED to happen tend to happen a lot especially for people who are doing things that they aren’t SUPPOSED to be doing. 🤷🏾‍♂️ -Adison

[@KellyCarter-xz3nn]

@@ednif she followed your advice she should just give up on the war and hope for mercy for her kids. If the queen won’t send the princes (who are the only acceptable messengers here) to ensure allegiances and soldiers, they’ll lose the war anyways and probably their lives.

[@edn]

@@KellyCarter-xz3nn not necessarily. -Adison

[@jonathanblaze1648]

I want Aemond Targaryen.

[@oliviaeades9807]

It was never Rhanys war to start. I hate that people blame her

[@drrohanjacob]

The point is she already started the war when she massacred the coronation crowd. Alicent gave her choice join them or be imprisoned she defied them ,that is an act of rebellion and a declaration of war. So u may as well finish it at that point😂

[@JeraldMason]

Facts...that wasn't for her to do.

[@_justinblizzle]

​@@drrohanjacob she didnt start anything bcuz no one gave a fxck about the "coronation crowd" they were just there to spread the word that there's a new king. Also, they definitely would not and could not have held Rhaenys for long, just long enough until they could bring their plans to fruition w/o their opposition being alerted and to try and see which side of the fence Rhaenys was on.

[@arianaquinones5359]

18:05 Actually Aemond is her brother(and technically her nephew by marriage)😭

[@buzziinmarciano5709]

Deamon and Aemond are like the same person on opposing sides. They just want to fight and kill.

[@leslieshE]

By sending her sons as envoys she is showing respect to the houses she seeks to make allegiances with, while reminding them that they have dragons. In game of thrones (books) a lot of times lords don't take it well when the king sends random envoys to deliver important messages, it makes them feel unimportant. This world has a lot of cultural things that as a ruler you have to follow if you want others to follow you. She sent her son at Stormlands because it was supposed to be safe too. Baratheon had sworn fealty to her and she believed he would honor his oath. Unfortunately Aemond got there first and lord Baratheon betrayed Rhaenyra. Hopes that can bring some sort of sense out of all this. The children getting killed is just awful 💔

[@hassansallah1630]

Her fault that Aemond chose to terrorise Luke and Vhagar ate him?😂

[@mack_taylor]

Well I know I wouldn't be sending my child to do my business.

[@Jaysavage9270]

@@mack_taylorjace the one who suggested it though Rhaenyra didn’t want to do it at first

[@mack_taylor]

@@Jaysavage9270 and I'm sure Jace will feel guilt about that, but Rhaenyra is still the parent and their Queen.

[@lj54896751]

@@mack_taylor literal children become lords in this show if their parents die… it makes sense that Princes would learn diplomacy early. Especially if you already entrusted them with a weapon of mass destruction (a dragon)

[@edn]

Facts! That's all I'm saying! -Adison

[@TheBree910]

Along with messengers being protected by law she also was sending her sons out as practice in diplomacy. They are young royals eventually they could be king so yes it made sense for her to send her kids out just like Alicent sent her son out. In real life you see the Prince William’s kids out at charity events and military parades in suits waving to their subjects and doing things normal kids don’t have to. There’s a sense of duty placed on royal children from a young age because they expected to lead eventually. Rhaenyra as a mother of course will forever feel guilty but objectively speaking she didn’t do anything wrong

[@mannysooner]

Watch out when you get to Season 3 Episode of 4 of Game of Thrones. There is a major spoiler relating to the House of the Dragon story.

[@brianalex5083]

Are you talking about the Joffrey scene when he’s showing Margaery around

[@jelezoglo]

I was worried too when they watched that episode, but it didn’t seem to me that they connected that Joffrey was talking about the same characters in HoD.

[@Lm-hm3kj]

@@jelezoglothey haven’t gotten their yet, have they?

[@jelezoglo]

@@Lm-hm3kj not on YT, but on Patreon they have.

[@buzziinmarciano5709]

Targaryens have dragon dreams which are premonitions..they spew stuff that sounds crazy but it’s ends up being true..the rats…Aegons dream

[@mamakat114]

Like I said in the chat last night....earlier Helaena said to Aegon "what if he doesn't want to be king?" So I'm wondering if since she had to chose, she would sacrifice her Son & that way he wouldn't face all the pressures of growing to be King? Just a thought ..

[@randallwilliamson3838]

I think she knew he would die from her visions. What is the point for training him to be king when he would die anyway? Also why she pointed to him right away, she knew how it would end.

[@marisaipardo]

It’s crazy how similar they ended the same season and episode in both series. In GOT S2E1, they ended the episode with Robert Baratheon’s children getting murdered by the Gold Cloaks because of a “rat”. In HOTD S2E1, they ended the episode with a Targaryen child getting murdered by a Gold Cloak because of a “rat”.

[@TwistedLyfofTV]

It hasn't been a month, it's only been a few days

[@simoneantolini9598]

wait, do they not realize that house of the dragon is set a hundred and something years before game of thrones?

[@edn]

Yes, that's why we had the discussion about the manual elevator at the wall. -Adison

[@simoneantolini9598]

@@edn omg hiiii, love your reactions. love from italy😁🫶🏼

[@edn]

I appreciate you!!! I’ve always wanted to travel to Italy one day! Good to see that we have folks that rock with us out there!! ❤️🙏🏾 -Adison

[@JustNatIsFine]

“This show is cutthroat, man.” Welp! Yeah, you got a point there.

[@taylerhawker6990]

i’ve never clicked so fast

[@mirandavega_]

Hey guys! Helaena is most likely a dragon dreamer- meaning she has premonitions that sometimes sound weird to us but usually end up making sense in the long run as they did in season 1 with Aemond’s eye and Rhaenys on her dragon during the coronation. A dragon dreamer is the whole reason the Targaryens ended up coming to Westeros in the first place which is pretty cool to begin with.

[@MADKIDD623BHN]

Rhaenyra sent her son to his cousin's house.... Lord Baratheon is FAMILY....She ain't know that THAT would happen.... !!!

[@bamboozla9977]

Up to now Criston Cole has: Had sex with the Princess Attempted to convince her to run away with him Punched the heir to Driftmark Killed a man in public Killed Lord Beesbury in front of everyone Took arms against his superior Tongue Punched the Queen Been told by The Hand to get back to his post Pelvic Punched the King's Mother whilst not at his post I think that's everything so far lol and he somehow just climbs through the ranks with no repercussions

[@antonelacrespo9135]

one thing that everyone forgets is that rhaenys was sent to the gullet, she offered herself first and then rhaenyra decided where luke and jace would go. stormends was the shortest and safest flight. to kill an envoy AND a prince is a terrible crime in this world. and the girl is right because we see and judged this world as if it's the same we live in and it's not. rhaenyra couldn't just make her sons stay hide and don't do anything, in this world they were boys reaching adulthood (mostly jace who was 15) and expected to one day do more things like this. jace is the heir to the throne and luke heir to driftmark. so no, it's not rhaenyra's fault that luke died it's aemond's fault because what would you expect if you chase an inexperiencied little dragon with the biggest dragon and the only that has seen many wars since hatched? of course Vhagar wouldn't take it as a game, she was mad and wanted to kill them. aemond was just stupid enough to believe he could control that big and old dragon. the only thing that viserys said right: "the idea that we control the dragons is an illusion"

[@Jay_56280]

Heleana is a dragon dreamer meaning she feels the past and the future meaning that she has visions of the future and her saying she’s scared of the rats was her prophecy of her son‘s death she also has other prophecies in season one that came true and will continue to in season two.they may be hard to understand at first, but you will understand eventually and honestly it get really sad because the knowledge she has of the future kinda makes her go insane.

[@Mattis06]

Bro Lucerys was a dragon rider he sooner or later would have needed to be on the field anyways. You can’t keep them inside forever. And he was 14 witch basically means adult at that time. Why aren’t you mad at alicent then because her son was out there too being a messenger he could’ve been killed too.

[@janycegonzalez]

Where the hell were the guards when all of this was happening to the kid???

[@RedFive03]

The kings guard on duty was in bed with the Queen.

[@KellyCarter-xz3nn]

Yea, the king tore them a new one for not protecting the literal queen and heirs. Too bad the head of security was too busy “entertaining” his mom 😂

[@janycegonzalez]

@@KellyCarter-xz3nn just yelling at him wasn’t enough in my opinion like because you value getting your rocks off more than you value your position, a child is dead like daemon’s plan would’ve been thwarted if he at least had someone take over his position for the night. If I was in Aegons shoes, I would’ve fired him and banished him and secured aemond as lord commander.

[@kenyettachambers8443]

I think you guys should watch it again just for clarification. Remember this is set hundreds of years before GOT so there are no technological advances. Aegon is actually a decent kid, he wants to make up for the upbringing he had by doing better for his son. Heleana is not crazy but can prophesies (season 1 with aemond and the dragon), which is why she mentioned the “rats” meaning rat catchers. She also was sewing for her son’s death because she knew. I believe she gave him up because she already knew but also to spare him because she did mention “what if he doesn’t want to be king”. She knows the violence and didn’t want him to live that. Remember Aemond Halaena and Aegon are her half brothers/sister because they all share the same father. So the kids are her nieces/nephews. Luke was never to be harmed because he was an envoy so it is Aemond to be blamed for the death no one else.

[@lunacouer]

I have nothing to add to the discussion on the show. Just wanted to say that Carianna's hair looks super pretty 🫶

[@redtez]

Remember, even back then they knew about the White Walkers as their arrival was more recent in memory than in GOT. That's what Cregan is on about with regard to keeping out death from the other side.

[@user_outtacomission]

18:10 rhaenyra sent Luke to stormlands which is like the corner shop in the street esp cos luke was traveling on a dragon all while being protected by the law. Lucerys death is NOT Rhaenyra's fault.

[@ello3110]

exactly! It’s a short distance away from Dragonstone. not at-all like sending Jace to the North and the Vale. who would’ve guessed that he’d become dragon fodder on his way back

[@jromari7924]

I might be the only one in the comments but am switching team to green even if their ending won’t be one of victory just here for the disruption. Everyone criticises team green’s f*cked decisions but when it comes to black we tip towing around justifying it.

[@jLachelle3]

Bye lol

[@jromari7924]

@@jLachelle3got your opinion I got mine that’s the point of the show😂🤷‍♂️

[@jLachelle3]

@@jromari7924 exactly

[@blackbird45]

Fr

[@MoJones9919]

It was her fault that Lucaerys got hurt because she should’ve sent Rhaenys (who’s mother is a Baratheon) to StormsEnd. Aemond would have never been stupid enough to think about attacking her. But to kill a messenger is a great sin. Even in the real world we don’t kill messengers. That’s why it’s a saying.

[@brianalex5083]

I never understood why she thought that this was a good idea sending Jaec by himself like you said she could have sent Rhaenys instead or even have her go with him both factions made an error now they’ll have to pay for it

[@Jaysavage9270]

@@brianalex5083luke* Jace is the one who suggested him and Luke go on the mission Rhaenyra didn’t want to send them at first

[@LuvFearlessly]

Aemond is the one who committed the act, though. It’s his fault. Rhaenyra couldn’t have predicted something so reckless.

[@MoJones9919]

@@LuvFearlessly she couldn’t have but sending her second born on that mission was idiotic. It’s one thing to send her heir (to prove himself and solidify his own claim) but not any of her spares. Also, Rhaenys is tide to the Baratheons by blood. She could’ve either convinced her cousin to ally with the Black faction or if she was turned away, that wouldn’t have happened at all because she was in her mother’s kingdom. Rhaenyra is just not smart. She’s very entitled. She had 3 children with Harwin Strong but her wedding feast showed a handful of Valaryan cousins that she could’ve bedded. She doesn’t take an active roll in ruling, she doesn’t campaign, she doesn’t ally with the Tyrell’s. I’m team black only because I can’t stand Otto Hightower and Aegon is a r*pist. And the Starks are team black.

[@NyikoDoris]

Luke was Corlys’ heir HE could’ve talked to his former daughter in law if he had any concerns about sending him out there. They all believed that he wouldn’t be harmed as an envoy, she wasn’t stupid for wanting a Prince to do his duty (keep in mind this takes place after Rhaenyra explained to him she had to earn her inheritance and in the original script Luke finally accepts that he’s supposed to be the next Lord of the Tides so he wants to do this to feel worthy of being his grandfather’s heir) Rhaenys COULDN’T go because she had just said she was going to patrol the Gullet. They picked the place that was closest to his home and gave them both the mission with the least amount of risk. What went wrong was Aemond tried to play a game with a nuke and he killed someone. THATS who should be blamed, not a woman who is mourning her father, her stillborn daughter and her son who was snatched from her

[@cloudydreams4020]

Technically 200 years worth of dragons burning people to ash, not too surprised no one has bothered with having ingenuity

[@oliviaeades9807]

To make one side faultless and another side the entire problem does a disservice to the story

[@edn]

I believe both sides have their hands dirty 100%. -Adison

[@zuko3851]

how do we see ur descusion of the episode?

[@edn]

Here is the link: kzbin.infon90udUcCEhs?feature=share -Adison

[@buzziinmarciano5709]

Sweet summer children

[@_justinblizzle]

For sure lol

[@DeadsySedai]

I've been re-watching GoT, and the wildlings mention that the Crows used to chop down all the trees close to the wall but now they don't have the manpower anymore.

[@hopet7090]

Haelena is a seer/dreamer. She has visions and made several prophecies last season but it sounds like riddles. She predicted the family splitting, aemond losing his eye, and rhaenys bursting out of the dragon pitt. I felt so bad for this episode because its hard for her to communicate and she knew she had no way out to avoid what she saw. In the episode she is sewing a funeral shroud as she tells Aegon shes afraid of the "rats coming" . she knew she wouldn't be able to save her son but she saved her daughter

[@SamirDj-ut4lu]

Bro its been A week since you reacted to got 😢

[@edn]

Just waiting for the next video to get cleared is all. 🤷🏾‍♂️ -Adison

[@shakila1027]

I just wanted to point out that Helena is a dreamer if you remember in the first season when visarys was telling Rhaenyra about dreamers helana is exactly how he describes it. Like when aemond came in crying to Alicent because they gave him a pig and alicent said you'll have a dragon one day and Helena said he'll have to close an eye and that's when aemond lost his eye. Another one was when Helena told her mom there's a beast beneath the boards and then princesses Rhaenys popped up from the floor with her dragon. So just pay close attention to what Helena says because everything she says comes true!!!! Cause now when she said she was afraid of the rats and looked directly at the bed that the kid will be sleeping in. She was talking about blood and cheese the 2 guys that was coming to kill the little prince pretending to get rid of the rats and he was carrying the rats on his back. That's why she said she was afraid because she knew what was gonna happen. But yea Helena is a very important and ppl don't give her enough credit because they think she's out of her mind when in reality she can see what's going to happen before it does.

[@LightsOut25KP]

Hot take : Alicent isn’t nearly the evil character that she’s being pushed as lol

[@LightsOut25KP]

@lgth.jne2 we talking about the show though . I like the book and read it , but comparing the books to the shows/movies in any genre is asking for misery 😂

[@LightsOut25KP]

Gotta take what they give us

[@blackbird45]

​@lgth.jne2 bruh the show is literally pro Black tf.

[@ello3110]

It’s not Rhaenyra’s fault at all-first of all, Lucerys was a Prince teetering on the edge of adulthood (in this universe, at least) and that comes with certain duties. as a suitable representative of the Monarch, as well as an envoy-he was supposed to be protected. both by moral code and by law. It’s not ridiculous for Rhaenyra to assume that he’d come back unharmed. now Aemond… it’s entirely his fault. first, for antagonizing an envoy who repeatedly re-iterated that he was merely a messenger. and secondly, for deliberately chasing a WAR-FORTIFIED, MONUMENTAL DRAGON after a fourteen year old boy and his junior dragon-and expecting them not to be terribly afraid?

[@mizzy5193]

Realistically she should’ve sent Rhaenys, who had a battle experienced large dragon and was half Baratheon herself

[@dajdadondada]

If anyone is too blame TECHNICALLY it was Jace’s idea

[@Jaysavage9270]

People keep forgetting that 😂

[@Goldenself]

The dog was just so they wouldn't look suspicious, since it's normal for rat catchers to have a dog like that. That's what terriers were bred for I think.

[@anoldsouldwanderer1461]

The reason Rhaenyra's dragon was crying was because it was her baby dragon that got chewed up with the little prince.

[@DeadsySedai]

HoD is only 200 years before GoT. Tech advances don't usually happen as fast as they have in the 20th and 21st centuries.

[@oliviatellez4951]

Luke is/was aemonds nephew hes rheanyras half brother so her brother killed her son, his nephew

[@YouOnlyIiveTwice]

WE BACK IN WESTEROS, BABY!!

[@KellyCarter-xz3nn]

Super interesting fact I learned about the baby boy’s death! In the books they actually told her to “choose a child”. She chose to kill the daughter and save the heir. They did the opposite and killed the boy. I’m glad they changed that, because it’s so much more screwed up. The daughter had to live knowing her mother chose her to die, and the queen living daily with her guilt.

[@seraaalol]

In the books she had 3 children (the twins and Maelor) and she chose to let the youngest die probably to because he didn't understand what was going on, but they told Maelor his mom wants him dead and killed Jahaerys

[@giaezrae]

no the nights watch thing happened in got, jon snow, uncle benjen?? remember them lol & lucerys had a dragon, rhaenyra would be stupid not to use lucerys and arrax also she had a good relationship with boremund baratheon, in hindsight it was a great alliance aemond just beat them to it and with a marriage proposal.. so no i dont think its her fault. also your cousin saying “they’re killing him?!!” has me dead GIRL WHAT ELSE DID U THINK THEY WERE GONNA DO SING EM A LULLABY??!😂“a son for a son”😭😭😭

[@taurion87]

Awesome reaction, as usual. The only thing I’m still mad at is how dirty they did Rhaenys! In the book, her nor Meleys didn’t break thru the dragon pit. After Aegon was coronated, he got on Sunfyre & flew to the Red Keep where he sat the Iron Throne.

[@brianalex5083]

For me Rhaenyra shares the same amount of blame for her sons death as Aemond does Jaec didn’t have to die but she agreed to send him alone to a hostile place knowing his combat skills aren’t as good as his brothers and his dragon easily one of the weakest ones so I struggle to feel bad for her

[@itsthatgirl98_]

Blame where? It's just the way things are, you have to send your children so they can get support. In medieval times in England, this is how it was done, they sent the little ones, whether children or whatever, to find support for the King or Queen. Rhaenyra did what had to be done, plus they were protected by the law, and that's how it is in the book. It's Aemond's fault for deciding to follow Lucerys with a war dragon that belonged to Visenya Targaryen.

[@aztre]

Jaecerys and Lucerys were sent as /messengers/. Messengers are never meant to be killed during wars. They are the only communication between warring parties and they represent potential negotiation. Rhaenyra was the SAME during S1E02 with Daemon in Dragonstone. Teenagers her age are already considered "grown" during those times.

[@Jaysavage9270]

People keep forgetting Jace wanted him and Luke to go as messengers Rhaenyra didn’t want to send them at first

[@LuvFearlessly]

The one who chose to commit the violent act is always at fault.

[@kamrynhenry8292]

Helaena and Aegon are brother and sister and are also married. They have two children. Helaena is a dreamer she can see some parts of the future. She predicted Aemond losing his eye and Rhaenys coming up through the floor during the coronation and now she just predicting the assassins. Also Helaena gave up her son so easy is bc she knew there was nothing she could do and she said earlier “what if he doesn’t want to be king” so she let them kill the heir. But in the books the assassin make her choose who to kill out of both her sons (she actually has three but the baby isn’t in the show) so she chooses her baby son bc he won’t remember but the assassin kills jaehaerys the older son instead and in the book she watches the whole thing

[@buzziinmarciano5709]

Ya missed it..brother corn feet man had all her handmaids that were spies for team black killed in the last episode of season 1. He hand picked all her new handmaids but they don’t know how she likes to be cleaned. That’s why she took the rag and told them to get out.

[@albertosahagian4590]

Guys, it's Winterfell, they're doing a draw for one of their own to take the black one.

[@leslieshE]

Helaena predicted Aemond's losing an eye, Rhaenys' escape last season. She sees the future but can't translate it into words that are comprehensible to others. We call people like her "dreamers", she is like her father Viserys who had visions too and who like her couldn't make other people understand but in his case it's because he interpreted it wrong. In the books, Daenerys is a dreamer too.

[@KellyCarter-xz3nn]

I also found it pretty stupid that he only sent one guard to kill Aemond. I expected zero success there, but thought maybe they hoped to kill him in his sleep. I was surprised that they had any sort of success at all.

[@mylesF33]

She said last season “I’ll return on dragon back”☄️

[@Beavusnbutheads]

I think Helena had a flash vision of them killing both if she didn't give the boy up. Thats why she didn't fight it.

[@thereallTamiaaa]

even if he didn’t get bit in half by Vhagar it was literally storming & they flew high enough above the clouds to where it no longer affected them the height from which Luke dropped would’ve killed him alone

[@VioletPixie213]

Seeing Rhaenyra, Syrax and Helena mourn over their babies is so gut wrenching also did you notice Helena walked the same path Rhaenyra walked up the stairs while leaving a trail of blood after giving birth. Loved seeing the Young Stark lord

[@maximvandervelden7913]

The bookversion of the last 10 minutes (blood & cheese) is a lot more brutal! In the book Heleana has 3 children. 2 boys 1 girl. It takes place in Allicents room (details here to graphic to type out on how and why) Basically Heleana comes in with her 3 children. They force her to pick between the 2 boys. She picks Mealor (the one not in the show) to die bcz he is young and won’t remember. Then they kill Jesaerys instead and tell the survivor “hear that boy, ur mother wants you death”. < I feel like this would be even greater than the scene we got now. I’m curious how they’ll continue next episode.

[@Oooyessbro]

"theyre killing him" 😑😑😑 clearly hearing them sawing off the childs head cmon lady lol

[@relax8059]

Team Stark. I know no king, but the King in the north, who name is Stark.🐺

[@bz7661]

I felt terrible for the dog! And then I hear the freaking knife cutting... what happened to Cheese???

[@a.j.1819]

The knife cutting was then beheading her son in the bed.

[@bz7661]

@@a.j.1819 LOL! I’m aware of that… but what happened to cheese?? He got kicked badly!

[@mgray3374]

Blood and Cheese brief book version: Aegon and Haleena have a 3rd child. A son names Maegor. When Blood and Cheese enter the castle, they tie up Alicent after she kisses her grandchildren goodnight and force Haleena to choose between the two sons. She chooses Maegor since he is younger and Jaherys is the heir. Blood and Cheese tell Maegor that his mother chose him to die and kill Jaherys anyway.

[@buzziinmarciano5709]

Lol adin really react like a practical person in 2024 when this take places 15,000 years ago

[@chillwill8108]

What vague answer did he give, he told him what the wall keep out DEATH

[@Skye_Writer]

Daemon is blaming EVERYBODY else at this point because he wants/needs to take some action, ANY action, to deal with his grief (because he sees his wife in pain and he can't stop it/help with it), but he can't take any action while Rhaenyra is gone. He wants to go kill Aemond and Vhaghar to make her feel better, but he can't take on Vhagar alone and the only adult dragon and capable rider at his disposal is Rhaenys and Meleys. But Rhaenys won't go because Rhaenyra didn't sanction that. So then Daemon blames Rhaenys for not killing all the Greens when they were all there in front of her -- Otto, Alicent, and all 3 of her kids. But Rhaenys lets that roll off her instead of acting guilty/ashamed/sorry. So next is Mysaria, the White Worm, it's _her_ fault, but Mysaria won't take the blame either and she tells him he is only mad at her because his REAL enemies are out of reach. And 2 minutes later, it's Ser Erryk Cargyll's fault. He's just trying to find someone, ANYONE, to blame so he can punish them and feel better because it's been 2 weeks since Luke died and he hasn't been able to ACT on that like he always has in the past.

[@mereassassinates550]

17:59 as the Queens sons it was important for them to experience diplomacy missions first hand…It wasn’t stupid of her to send him on the mission for many reasons (Maybe sending him on the mission Alone might of been stupid but The boy did have a dragon) Say in today’s world a mother sends her child to school & On the way to school the child gets hit by a car…Is the mother at fault??? Is the driver at fault??? Is the child at fault??? Or Do things just happen???

[@rexisright]

I'm with Adison - forget killxng the messenger the kid was clearly skittish on a baby dragon he couldn't fully control in bad weather + she HAD just been betrayed over succession but she expects her messenger to be protected??? Also, Aemond didn't kxll him, Vhaegar ate a dragon that provoked her. Semantic but meaningful difference, i feel

[@meganrmt]

In the books, it’s worse. She has the twins plus her you gets son with her. They tell her to choose, she chooses the youngest, her thoughts being either he would be too young to know what’s happening or that the oldest son is the Kings heir. But they choose the heir instead. She then goes mad. Obviously 😅

[@JoaoVitor-is4zb]

In GOT they take prisioners and here to. The difference is that in GOT winter is not starting in the beginning. The tradition is 1/10 will go to the wall WHEN the Winter starts

[@KatlynHaydon]

In the book, they had her choose which son to die, and then killed the other. So the one she chose to die would grow up knowing his mother chose for him to die. Absolutely fucked.

[@Blinkptx]

This show was completely untouched by the writers strike. It took two years because a show this big takes a lot of time to make.