House Shot VS US Open Shot

[@tjbanville]

I know nothing about bowling, and I'm not quite sure how I arrived here, but this video was very informative and well-done. Thank you for your work.

[@Barnekkid]

This is a really good video, very intelligently done. He came right to the point and explained it well.

[@donaldbarrett4454]

Norm Duke put it beautifully - especially for the US Open: "You learn more from your losses than from your wins." He knew what he was talking about.

[@miguel4307]

That's Why he won 2 of those

[@kadenmac2009]

So damn funny when he said that shit

[@TraumaER]

The best video on this topic on KZbin.

[@bloodknot1017]

absolutely and also 100% correct. i bowled for the first time in my life this weekend on PBA oil - i'm 60 yrs old. i did not know the lane was PBA pattern but after 3 games of absolutely NO CONTROL over my ball and dismal scores, checking out the lane operator told me they were surprised to see my bowling on that particular lane and then I found out why - it had PBA oil pattern. i have a completely new respect for what the Pros are doing - amazing. give me my house oil!

[@TiberiousNeruda]

I'm convinced the house I used to bowl in (ran a huge tournament every year from January to November) just put down the tournament shot all the time. It may not have been as tough as the US Open shot, but it was damned close. You had your board, maybe a margin error of 1, and that was it. Felt proud to have been able to keep my average up there.

[@j-wilk4835]

Thanks a ton for this video. As a kid aspiring to compete in tournaments one day, this really helps me understand not only the US Open shot, but even the house shot a little better.

[@iwasadeum]

Cool video. I wouldn't believe that oil patterns played such a big difference if I hadn't had the chance to bowl on these patterns in my bowling club.

[@samuelkraft4221]

This was really good information!! I learned something here for sure!! My average is a 248 on league at home but when going to big tournaments my average would drop considerably, I'm talking like 180s and 190s!! I will apply what you have shown here on this video to my future tournaments!! Thanks again!!!

[@allstarr9tc]

I really doubt you're averaging nearly 250 being that ignorant......

[@LairdPrydae]

That's the thing about house shots, you don't need to be knowledgeable about professional bowling to bowl well, you only need to be consistent. I have several guys at my lanes that have been bowling 20+ years, but if I try to engage them in tournament talk, they don't really have any of the information needed to partake. Muscle memory is easy, adapting is not. That being said, a 250 avg is still improbable, but not impossible.

[@timothyguy6973]

and you are full of it. 230's are outstanding averages for the elite bowlers in local scratch leagues. I bowl in a league with one of the most amazing bowlers ive ever seen and the guy has a high 230's average and bowls several 300's a season.

[@kevin24cardwell]

Must be a no tap avg....

[@nathanvault1524]

@@timothyguy6973 in most leagues near me many people average 230 constantly and there was a kid in my high school league a few years back averaging 243 for the season so it is possible

[@konkybean]

This is an incredibly well explained video! Very informative. I now have far more respect for the Pros, and understanding the house shot has made me a more consistent amateur bowler. Nice work guys.

[@KagusakiUrufu]

Great information on the oil patterns. I would love to try out the US Open pattern and experience what the pros have to go through.

[@sweetj8621]

Great video! Maybe those house bowlers will think a little about their averages now, lol. From experience, I averaged a 225 one year and went to a tournament where they had a "US Open-like pattern", slightly smaller amounts of oil to the left hand side of the lanes to compensate for the small amounts of left-handed bowlers in the tourney. Anyways, I only hit a 200 game once out of six, and it was my fifth game. I only averaged in the mid to high 170s. Kudos to the pros!

[@sonofnothing]

Yep, I averaged 205 to low teens on wood lanes, which I'm more proud of than averaging 220-25 on synthetic lanes. But I averaged 172 on the PBA Bear pattern sport league. (USBC adjusts it to 199). Phew!

[@AJtheGuitarist38]

This video helped me in my sport shot league (kinda hoping for this or the PBA Bear in the future), and I'm currently holding a 186 average because of it. This info is really nice to have on any sport shot, really.

[@ianandersen265]

A 186 average on a pro pattern is a true measure of skill.

[@greghoppe3973]

The US Open oil pattern is VERY difficult. I've averaged as high as 236 in league with multiple 300 games and multiple 800 series. I bowled PBA Regional tournaments one year and averaged about 205 for all the oil patterns. I had a chance to bowl on the US Open oil pattern only once. My house had a US Open oil pattern league one summer. It was a singles format and you bowled 4 games a week for 8 weeks. You moved a pair every game and there were many who quit because the scoring pace was so low. Making spares was never more critical than on this type of pattern. I consider myself fortunate to have averaged 199 for this league.

[@Fabomenal92]

I made 238 average lasg week on a house shot, three days later i played a trounament pattern and now i never wanna bowl tournaments again 😂😄

[@big9305]

Yup sports patterns are MUCH different :P

[@djw6430]

Phony averages have ruined bowling. House conditions do not have to be super tough, but to bring back bowling as a popular challenging sport, they cannot remain easy.

[@safethamzagic7226]

Hahahahahha

[@James-un5bc]

Everybody who averages 200+ on a house shot that doesnt understand how much bounce area there is should be forced to bowl the open or masters once so they can find out they might average 180 if theyre actually half decent. Most find out theyll average 140-160.

[@James-un5bc]

@@djw6430 look at kegels pattern library under the recreation file, stonehenge and gateway arch at 6/7:1 are great 'house shot' alternatives that are still pretty scorable. Even Abbey Road at 3.7:1 is pretty playable, instead of the ridiculous 10/12:1 ratios the standard house shots are.

[@maximusm5393]

Very informative video, I always wondered how much different the pattern was. I bowled for the first time ever at the US Open last year, and was the hardest shot ever attempted for me for sure. I had the higest score on my team 190, and the lowest 130. It was a fun but humbling experience, but I personally loved the experience regardless of my scores. As a competitor, you always want to see how you can adjust to a hard shot and how you stack up. I had the 2nd highest series on my team, so for the first time, I was content. If you get a chance to go, do it!

[@OneShotThrill]

Now you know why Pete Weber was so excited to win the U.S. Open again. Who do you think you are? I am!

[@sd-kn7sm]

Good video, experienced bowlers know these general rules. Sport shots are always 20-30 pins less then house shot averages. Spares are key because strikes are hard. Makes you have to be a complete bowler to compete and win. Bowling on these tough patterns increase your skill and shot making ability

[@blkv8fb00]

Back in the seventys and eightys when you shot a 300 or 800 the lanes had to be check to make sure there was no dry area on the outside and that part of the lane had to have oil on it. If it did have a dry area like this video the scores were throw out and you didnt get an award. I grew up on this type of shot and it is alot tougher and truly does test ur skill. Back then there were no reactive balls so you really had to have talent to bowl. Great video

[@MrDiamondstandard]

Vincent Pearson I bowl in the same center as Norm, Randy, and Jason Couch in Clermont,FL . I bowl with Norm's son on the youth league there and take lessons and shoot trick shots with Norm whenever he is home. He's one hell of a guy.

[@au009044]

As a junior I was there for Dousties 300 at Chesso. Great level style. I look up to this bowler.

[@robertellison8210]

great tip! thank you for sharing- the US OPEN is truly one of the toughest pattern!!!

[@omgwtfbbqkitty]

Great video. I've never bowled on a sport pattern. No idea how I'd do, but now, more than ever, I have even more respect for the pro bowlers. Able to make the adjustments on the fly mid game. That's what makes them pro.

[@djsully8071]

Truest excellent explanation of the overall main differences! On your next video go over all the various patterns of the PBA, The Bear, The Badger, The Wolf, Sidney, Etc.

[@paulschewene7850]

Excellent review on how oil patterns play such a huge role in the sport, sir! :)

[@DowntownCanon]

Every time the US Open came to Carolier it would attract a lot of the area's league bowlers. I noticed that it was a different group every year and most didn't come back for a second try.

[@fongbrandon]

I run a scratch league at my house, we bowl on WBT patterns as well as PBA patterns and the best thing i can tell any house bowler is practice spares. A few spares a game is a big difference between shooting 200 and 150. DO NOT BE SCARED! Learn from every shot. Learn what you struggle in whether it be with shot making, spares, etc. Trust me, Bowl on some of these patterns for a few weeks then go back to a house shot and you'll average at lease 10 pins higher.

[@MrPyromania83]

first time I shot on the open pattern I went back to back 220s. then followed up with a 140 and 130. easily the toughest PBA pattern out there. But nothing will ever compare to the Peterson!

[@golyaranibar]

Very clear and ilustrative, I like it

[@draconusspiritus1037]

There's also the matter of Carry, or Carry Down. That bowling ball picks up oil as it goes along. But some of that oil gets deposited on the dry portion of lane. So that when your ball reaches the end of the oil pattern it may not hook nearly as much as you might be expecting.

[@_baller]

Basically house shot allows inconsistency, and for straight down the lane bowlers, however can help slightly inconsistent hook bowlers... But us open requires we extreme consistency with gradual adjustment

[@tommydew6402]

Outstanding commentary. Thank you. I am a new bowler and this explained a lot.

[@steveniemyer9288]

My 16 year old nephew bowled in a high school summer league this past year. They only bowled sport shots that they changed every two weeks. One two stretch they bowled the US Open pattern. They bowled three games on one pair of lanes then went to match play highest seed against lowest seed switching lanes as they went-12 bowlers in all. The kids that struggled are the ones that had limited equipment (a plastic ball and maybe a mid performance strike ball) and never changed their shot. Kids that had multiple balls (5) for various lane conditions and understood what moves were needed did well, several scores in the 200’s, but I don’t recall anybody averaging above 200. My nephew averaged a 190 on the pattern but there were a few that had higher averages than his. If you are a good bowler, understand the game and how the lanes change, and have the right equipment you can bowl well on this pattern, just maybe not as well as the pros.

[@TekMoliGy]

this was an excellent description... Could you make a video explaining what people mean when they talk about moving over boards.. Whenever i bowl i make movements based on the dots and arrows. The boards that make up the lane are only about an inch wide and there are so many of them i feel like it would be a ridiculous way to keep track of how much movement you are making.

[@mikayladavis7659]

When he is talking boards, he means the individual boards. The house I bowl at has a tough shot and if I don't hit directly between the 8 and 9 board on fresh lanes, my ball will not carry a strike. After each game (during league play), I usually need to move about a half board for my ball to move like it did before. Think of it this way... each board you miss on your mark will make a 3-5 board difference down the lane depending on the pattern. The more technical you get with bowling, the more precise your movements have to be. Missing by one board on tough lanes is the difference between pocket and chopping through the head pin and leaving an almost impossible split. Hope this helps a bit!

[@berndtsteve]

I agree with some of the lower comments, I typically bowl slightly better on tougher patterns because in my head I know I can't miss, where a house shot I am almost two relaxed because you can have a target and essentially a five board range with a couple in and out of your target. U.S. open pattern though I think I would be lucky to hit a 500 series through first 3 games with a 215 average going in.

[@ELWOOD54224]

I think you are so right in your statements,that people think it so easy just throw the at a certain arrows and that's it! This is not the case,what is that you have to put the work into it understand what you are doing I do alot of home work to be as good as I am people donot like to work or sweat or don't like to listen when you try to tell them to try something different they always try it at first and go back to the same thing they started with! That's being hardheaded then they wonder why!

[@TiBossII]

Thank you...great video. I run a center and hear this all the time...

[@supremeogre100]

Very Interesting, I knew oil patters were different but didnt know how so. I have greater respect for Pro players now and I can totally see this being true as when I go to my local bowling alley I do find that I can vary my shot and still often hit the pocket.

[@shadow153hunter]

This helped me alot thanks I never knew what the house pattern was or consisted of for the oil highest I've ever scored is 198 maybe now I get get it down better and have the ball roll where I want it to every time

[@ryanblanchard399]

That's good stuff. Most people who are just getting an idea of sport patterns could really use this video. If I was a beginner, this whole thing would have just clicked.

[@royplayer]

Love this video! Great! I get bored bowling on house shots. No one in our area will put out a sport shot because no one will bowl on it; it is too tough and it will kill the persons average and ego. There are too many so-called 200 average bowlers who depend on easy, walled up conditions and the latest mega ball technology to score. I average 215 to 220 composite at four different houses and 200 on sport conditions. Not sure if that makes me a better bowler; also I am 63 years old.

[@socalboomer]

great explanation, great illustration. Thanks!

[@remj5292]

most houses that have high avg bowlers have blocked shot lanes if you notice a diff it will be just before a house certification as they will not put the block pattern down

[@remj5292]

and if u have a monster hook and good form you can crush this

[@TXP9]

somebody clarify this for me: is the US Open pattern a reverse block, or does that term refer to a different pattern?

[@mitchcrilly1291]

thx, great informative video! I'm just getting back into bowling after a 25 year break! I used to throw a strong Magnum 9 Plastic/Urethane Ball held 187 avg, now w/ Roto Grip Critical I have a great pin action that I never saw w/previous ball tho I threw much higher speed & Rev rate when I was young! Problem is now from House to House, some places my ball has great hook at only12-14mph, some places even it throws straight as my old Magnum 9 did and it's like a dead ball ! I have already had it resurfaced twice, oil sucked out of it and all other things that sounded like nonsense, I'm very inconsistent now throwing anywhere from 145 to 245 in the same day ! While I can bowl 180's throwing the ball under the legs :-)) any advice would be great !

[@onagoodday627]

I have a Roto Grip Dare Devil and I try to hunt for the dry patches in warm ups instead of dialing in one shot. If the ball spends a lot of the time in the heavy oil down the middle it will behave like your dead ball but if I throw between the first and second arrow it hooks hard back to the pocket. I usually find two or three spots that if I get my ball to it will finish well but there are some nights where nothing works. On those days its smart to just pull out the old urethane ball and play a simple low hook stroker shot down the side

[@mitchcrilly1291]

Thanks :-)) I have been watching tutorials all afternoon & was just getting that insight ! But I think absorbing too much info really messes me up ! Watching a pro tutorial & some of their lingo I'm not familiar with! Thanks Again! Happy Bowling & God Be With Us

[@mitchcrilly1291]

is it really necessary to put so much work into these new balls, resurfacing and getting the oil sucked out, I have even heard of a guy thats a fair bowler scuffing his Strike ball lightly where he believes it rolls when it catches!! He says he simply grabs his ball from the ball return marks where the oil pattern lays on his ball, lightly sands that ring around his ball! Has anyone out there head of this or tried this? Thx God Is Good

[@onagoodday627]

If you're averaging over 200 and bowling a few hundred games a year then yes you may want to resurface. The problem with these new balls is if you don't clean them often the oil is absorbed into the pores and they become somewhat useless after a few seasons. There are spray foam cleaners sold for these balls that will remove most of the oil after you are done for the night. Also using a shammy to clean off the oil will help as well. Doing these two things should keep you out of the pro shop for quite a while. As for the sanding, first never do it during play because its against the rules. Second, sanding can really screw up these new balls on how they read the lane. They come polished for a reason and that is to skid through the oil then hook hard on the dry. Typically they come ready for normal house conditions but if you bowl in a sport shot league then may need to fool around with sanding and polishing.

[@FlyingCrow]

...except that is illegal.

[@miloice74]

the game has changed but everyone compete on the same condition and with coverstock that sucks the oil so aggressively, the new bowler needs new set of adjustments as well. Its weird how when we assume other bowlers have no idea about the conditions back then and unable to play in reversed and broken down conditions? When someone bowled a great result, the 1st reaction is pretty much sour grapes lamenting how easy it is now.

[@The77Game]

This excellent presentation would have been even better if it had been topped off by showing som shots on a house oil and the us open pattern where we could see the effekt of missing slightly on both patterns. Some would be very surpriced to see the effekt.

[@daviddudley9891]

the blue dy u see on some of the patterns is just to see how much the pros do to the pattern the us open has a lot more oil on the lanes then a house pattern

[@Makookla]

I've been bowling since I was a kid (about ten years), but I only recently began to take it more seriously. This was very informative.

[@jereturunen2175]

yeah i was wondering why our house pattern was so hard but it was one kind of tournament pattern and it felt just like in this video pba pattern... cant miss left or right.

[@jasondoust4935]

Jere Turunen Possibly a topography issue or worn out synthetic panels. Once the texture is glazed smooth (by not oiling outside 10 board to protect the lanes/inflate the scores), it will get very "squiggly" off the break point after a game or so.

[@ProffessorJoe]

Great video. Very informative. Makes me now realize that my 208 average means i'm not a very good bowler!

[@mrbowling1000]

Thanks for the video. Learned a lot from it!

[@andrewkang2697]

But one of the reasons I feel pros are able to score better on sport shots than top amateurs is that they are exposed to them on a regular basis. If you don't play those lane patterns enough, then you will have a less of an idea as to how to play them in my opinion. One of the reasons why league bowlers are able to score well on house patterns is that although they are easier than sport patterns, the amount of exposure they have to that type of pattern is like over several decades worth.

[@EddyMetal60]

I bowl in a sport shot league and let me tell you, the US Open pattern was very humbling.

[@seanwolf3150]

i dont bowl. but this video was super intense and awesome. thanks for the vid!

[@peschtra]

This was very interesting and helpful. Thanks.

[@btewb]

best vid ever thank you

[@KingBueno619]

I played on a Flat Oil pattern, it was a challenge but great experience. Then it got addicting

[@avisco01]

great vid. that explains quite a bit.

[@swish1onu]

So this is exclusively talking about one type of pattern right? cause I've watched plenty of Pro tournaments, where they can "see" the oil pattern (blue tinted oil)... and it looks very much like the house pattern...

[@jtsax95]

There are almost no pba patterns that resemble house patterns

[@jonathanmiller6408]

This was sooo helpful! thank you

[@Neverknot47]

So what do pros practice on?

[@nickg2550]

9:46 who could forget number 5. I know…the video is older than the 5th win. Who do you think you are, I AM!

[@isaysee]

One everlasting constant in CompetitiveBowling is that the best score wins. How high the best scores/averages go is nowhere near as important as how high the expence of participation goes. BUT a curious constant that goes with a decline in PARTICIPANTS in CompetitiveBowling has been the rising expense of bowling balls along with related problems in lane maintenance. It seems like the THEME behind all this "SHOT" stuff is more about selling bowling BALLS rather then BOWLING itself. [ Big Mistake]

[@MyKiller890]

My avg on a house shot - 198 Sport shot league - 167 They are tough

[@biggfingger5]

I used to bowl in what was called back in the day an "honest house". It was tough. The local hotshots in the area from other houses used to hate coming there.Traveling league. We'd go too probably sixteen other houses and invariably the scores would fall dramatically at my house.People would bitch to the manager and he'd just say "I bowl here too,and I want to know I earn my scores". It made me a better bowler.

[@Warxoth]

Great video! I always found all those idiots claiming to be better than PBA players incredibly wrong (and annoying), hope they watch this!

[@cozmic171]

Best. Explanation. Ever.

[@royplayer]

For how many games?

[@blkv8fb00]

You make some good points and putting out a sport shot is a great idea. Only bowlers who know what they are doing will be able to adjust to it. I remember years ago when you were on a tough condition where you had to make good shots you felt good if you bowl well. Now if you bowl high scores and you know that it really wasnt you but mostly the lane condition if feels awful, because you know it wasnt you. But today bowlers do think it their talent when in reality they are not very good at all.

[@Crazydude409]

i don't even bowl but these videos are so damn interesting

[@blinkers88]

LOL I'd love to see you come within 30 pins of your house shot avg on the US open pattern

[@skatermaninred45]

true about those corner pins had over 25 in a four game tourney missed a bunch lol

[@huntweener]

We want more!!!! :)

[@MegaByrnes]

OMG I see a lot of old guys that have lost their glory days commenting here. One of the leagues I bowl in is with my dad and my grandpa. They have the honesty to admit that house patterns have always existed. My grandpa is 84 and he says that it used to be an even easier shot when he was young. He says that the new balls have allowed houses to put down way more oil which they love to do because it protects their lanes. I bowl in a sport league and my average is way lower. I'm nothing special.

[@ryanrichards8316]

Every tournament I watch it looks like they are able to hook the ball easily

[@The757bowler]

Very good video. Thanks.

[@NBrew808]

This is very true and very helpful.

[@JayPypeVox]

Very informative!

[@shorty808100]

US open pattern isn’t walled the outside boards are oiled on a house pattern the two outside boards are completely dry which is a walled pattern, the best I ever did in sport league was on the 2014 US open pattern we had 4 ppl on the pair by the 3rd game we were in front of the left gutter we started up 5 *( first arrow )*

[@MONOPOLY35]

This video is a warning for newcomers in the PBA who averaged 200 in leagues to gain entry. It is not a huge surprise now that tournament format lead to lower scores.

[@irishpogi]

I did too. Unfortunately these newfangled balls eat up all the oil; as a result, these scores would be tossed out if lane inspectors re-entered the picture and performed the same tests they conducted decades ago after an honor score is shot.

[@notoncemoreagain]

Yeah. I work at a centre. I always hear people say they could blow away PBA bowlers. I tell them to shut up and put up. I also work at a centre which is hard up about keeping wood lanes, so another dynamic element is added there. People simply don't understand oil patterns, and I would love to see house bowlers (which only bowl in 2 or 3 centres) thrown out into the mix with the adults. I am no pro, but I understand and accept I couldn't do shit on a PBA shot

[@shorelinebear]

Very informative.. thanks

[@robbyking8756]

I like the us open pattern, I hate reverse patterns

[@kidmadmanaa]

me personally, I like the u.s. open pattern I score well on it. shot 822

[@jeffthebracketman]

not bad for an 8 game block...

[@royplayer]

I rather enjoy Irishpogi's videos. He has a great love of the game and doesn't claim to be a great bowler.

[@irishpogi]

Proprietors are too overly concerned with "happy customers" and in order to make them happy, they "give them the pocket" by providing an artificial scoring environment. I have one big question for the BPAA and here it is! What's wrong with providing a learning environment to your customers?

[@MartyNemko1]

So clear! Thank you very much!

[@JADiaz10]

great video

[@Denilson24]

"Oil is slippery" Now I get it!

[@kidman2505]

great stuff!

[@thenungod]

ye my 200 house pattern at Gildford turns into 160-170 at Tolworth lol (i'm only 14 tho)

[@maddblair]

Thanks

[@chunkymunkey9182]

Me being a left handed bowler, it would seem i would have a bigger advantage. It would only be a matter of mastering the oil pattern.

[@PursueYouu]

i would love to see people who drop the ball go straight up this

[@VapinHaYn]

good video and congrats to pete webber now a 5 time winner

[@215alessio]

Thanks for this video Bowling beginner (truth is: no one in my group explaind me this)

[@nvvam7597]

On typical house lanes I avg around 175. If I bowled 10 games on US Open lanes I would be shooting in the 90's, and maybe breaking 100 once or twice.

[@sonofnothing]

+nv vam leave makeable spares and you will be in the 150s. i you shoot or learn to shoot straight at spares, no oil pattern should affect your ball's motion rolling straight. What are you splitting in 9 frames per game lol

[@KingBueno619]

Average 219 on house shot but averaged 154 on the US Open shot

[@3535sb]

One big problem with the PBA tour these days is that the house shots are sooooo easy. No need to go watch the pros bowl well when Joe Schmoe is bowling 300 on a house shot every Thursday nite. A lot of the mystique is gone. In golf, everyone knows how special Mickelson and Woods are when the average golfer can't break 100 on the local course. Not true anymore in bowling.