House Velaryon History and Lore - livestream

[@arcanics1971]

Hey Robert, an idea for a series: A Worshipper's Guide to the Faiths of Westeros (and Essos). You said that you very much enjoyed the traveller's guide and this could have a similar format. I did mention this several times in the chat but every time I said it, it was just before you launched into a soliloquy so you may not have seen it. Sorry to be spamming you if you did. Of course, it may be a terrible idea or just not what you want. But if it anybody could do it...

[@AltSchwiftSiberia]

This is a great idea! LmL would be a great help for this concept. He's extremely well versed in the faiths specifically, from R'hollorism (sp?) to the Church of Starry Wisdom to even speculations on the Old Gods and the CotF/First Men.

[@edpistemic]

The Pilgim's Guide! :)

[@quartz9272]

RIP Queen of Thorns 😔🥀

[@ryanlabarge313]

I'm running a D&D homebrew set in the world of ice and fire. One of my players desperately wanted to be a member of House Velaryon, so we made his character a "half-triton" hybrid of the Merlin King and the Velaryons. The group is about to run into Ser Marlon Manderly....just for his helm

[@usurpedofthevale1682]

I can never make it on time for the live chat, but I'm a Long time watcher/lover of IDG content!! Thank you for everything Robert!

[@thegreatpage5912]

The Old, The True, The Brave The Few, The Proud, The Marines

[@Jennifer-di4nl]

I have learned so much from this guy it's ridiculous.

[@silversailer]

54:15 Does anybody else think that Robert is way off on this? There is nothing in that passage that gives the impression that Aemon suddenly realizes Jon is a Targaryen. He's talking about how he's about to die. The whole quote is "I should not have left the Wall. Lord Snow could not have known, but I should have seen it. Fire consumes, but ice preserves. The Wall... but it is too late to go running back. The Stranger waits outside my door and will not be denied." "I should not have left the Wall...too late to go running back now" Why would any of this pertain to Jon being a Targaryen? It reads exactly like he just discovered that the Wall was extending his life.

[@flintedsteel]

I took it the same way. I used to wonder if perhaps he figured out Jon might be assassinated but the "Ice preserves" quote does seem to be about the cold keeping him alive (which is bizarre considering his dragon blood but thats another discussion entirely)

[@robbypodobinski824]

Yea ur right

[@sophiawilson8696]

In books I believe that Jon Snow is NOT a Tararyen. He is a Stark on his father side and a Dayne on mother's side. In the books version.

[@flintedsteel]

@@sophiawilson8696 dig a little deeper. Find what's missing rather than the surface level of the story.

[@sophiawilson8696]

@@flintedsteel oh what that means? That I am wrong? When I said father who do you think I meant? I know that Ned is not his father but he is still a Stark. Until the books are done nobody but GRRM is going to change my mind.

[@JervisGermane]

Yes! I've been waiting for this one since you and Gemma tried to do that series together!

[@Ryukikon]

Jojen calls Bran your Grace because Bran is a king. He is the King of The North. If he is not the king of the northern region, then he is the prince. Bran Stark comes from a royal blood line as his brother was coronated King of the North. The king reference has numerous pragmatic angles as well as arcane ones(by the lore and story mechanics)

[@bertholomewofhaywood4011]

I wonder if the Game of Thrones cast would like to read The Winds of Winter in an audiobook format !?!

[@theinvisiblewoman6783]

I LOVE Harry Loyd reading The Knight of the Seven Kingdoms! It’s my favorite!

[@reisscumberbatch6786]

Watched this just before start of house of dragons so this helped alot lol 👌

[@quartz9272]

A travellers guide to Middle Earth would be very nice :)

[@personofnoimportance5590]

Yes!

[@sophiawilson8696]

Not once they talk about House Velaryon in the series. Or the Hightowers.

[@theinvisiblewoman6783]

They do talk about house Velaryon in the books. I’m reading A Feast for Crows again because I know more about the world than I did when I first read them. Jamie talks to a man who works down in the black cells named Longwaters which was a couple of generations bastard of a Velaryon and and Targaryen princess we read about in A world of Ice and Fire and will get more details in Fire and Blood vol 2. Beniffer Longwaters even tells Jamie of his great grandmother being a Targaryen Princess (Elaina Targaryen and Alyn Velarion were his great grandparents) but Jamie doesn’t believe him and doesn’t want to hear it. And in a Cersei chapter she thinks she sees Rhaegar talking to a Tyrell girl but it is Aurane Waters a bastard of House Velayrion who I believe shows up more than once. Also there is Monford and Monterys Velarion who are with Stannis. They also talk about the Hightower’s a few times that Lord Hightower and his daughter have locked themselves in the tower in the current books. Pycell tells Jamie that when a plague came to Oldtown he locked the city so the disease couldn’t spread past their city. But despite he made the right call, as soon as he opened the city again the people pulled him and his son of their horses and murdered them.

[@raleighjune8952]

They come up alot more in Fire and Blood. They were alot more prominent when the Targaryens were on the throne.

[@flimflam945]

A live stream with Ken Napzok would be brilliant, he absolutely loves everything ASOIAF!

[@KrisCasey4]

I’d love to see you talk to Preston Jacobs

[@MRJJJarhead]

that Roy Dotrice record bit cracked me up, since a lot of people complain that he only had a couple of voices... I wish they would make a full cast version, like American Gods 10th anniversary version.

[@patrickbateman783]

Roy Dotrice is a treasure in my opinion.

[@JoniukasVader]

In Deep!

[@theinvisiblewoman6783]

I couldn’t quote it for fact but after the Dance house Valeryon true heirs died out and a bastard was legitimized. It seemed like the Targaryen marriages dropped right after that. But we don’t have Fire and Blood 2 yet so don’t quote me. Aegon the 3rd seemed to be the last king to marry a Velaryon. Then there was Aegon 4th Can’t keep it in his pants. King Daeron and Princess Daenerys married Martells to finically unite Dorne. We don’t know Baelor’s wife. Markar was married to a Dayne. Aegon the 5th married a Blackwood. Duncan married Jenny, one son was gay and Jaeherys insisted on marrying his sister and forced Arys to marry Rhaella. People talk about Targaryens like all they did was marry brothers and sisters. But if you really go over it, it was a lot less of that than people talk like it was.

[@jamesnave1249]

Hopefully Aurane Waters brings the stepstones into heel and when Danny rocks up they can roll the stepstones into the Seven Kingdoms with House Velaryon being their leige lord. Make House Velaryon great again!

[@batman-gu7pm]

I literally just finished reading a feast for crows and the last thing I heard was the master of ships took off with king's landing's fleet

[@daniellynch1619]

Robert was doing a series of 6 videos with Secrets of the Citadel which houses did that include? I know Mormont, Hightower & Reed but can’t find the other 3.

[@dominicpalmer3130]

Watching this in bits over many days, I don't recall the timing of Bran being called your Grace, but if it was after Robb's death he'd be King in the North at that point wouldn't he (for those not familiar with the will, which assumed Bran and Rickon were dead anyway)

[@dominicpalmer3130]

I should add a thank you for yours content

[@fanglicious4710]

I'm curious how did their house keep the valyrian features did they marry only the houses from valyria or did they like the targaryens marry siblings together

[@robbypodobinski824]

There's not a single mention of siblings marrying in house valeron. They and the targaryans have the valyrian look. Years and years of intermarrying between the 2 familys definitely kept the look in the family. Also, it's a story. Real world science and logic dosnt always matter 🙂

[@msanders777]

Matches with Lyseni could also account for it.

[@FishBoneD14]

They probably have more contact with wasps than most houses so could find spouses with Valyrian blood outside their own family

[@sophiawilson8696]

@@robbypodobinski824 if you look at Hightowers and Daynes and they are not from Valyria Their ancestors were from Empire of the Dawn. But were able to keep their looks of Dragons Families. There also people from Lys that from Valyria's background.

[@theinvisiblewoman6783]

The Targaryens and Velarions married each other very often. Their marriages are all throughout Fire and Blood.

[@Kushagra.j]

Robert I really want to support you on patreon monetarily but I'm unable to because I'm a teen and don't have money. Is there any other way ? Love the content, big fan from India.

[@chandlerdoeswhatifs9399]

House Velaryon is my favorite

[@shananika]

I’ve always found it interesting that “Velaryon” is so close to “Valyrian”. Makes me wonder if maybe the Velaryons were actually a top echelon house in Valyria but somehow lost their dragons and had to escape. I want to know more about why the left Valyria.

[@sophiawilson8696]

@@shananika this a little that I know that were vessels to the Targaryens Family. But they weren't Dragon Lord's. They rule the Sea with their ships. The Targaryens brought with the two other families with them. To learn more about them you look at the Valyria's past there were 48 noble families of Dragons Riders and they were fighting each other for power. I think they do series about Valyria but Nooooo!!. To answer you question they weren't Dragon Lord's or Ladies.

[@keithbrandt9090]

I have a great theory for next week!

[@thedutchman3929]

Robert what about the new stuff? Where are you these days brother

[@oliviawilliams6204]

The wraith not being able to walk under water is a show thing. The books offer us Pyke letter "Dead things in the wood, Dead things in the water." that kinda say the opposite

[@youngoutlaw5150]

People forget that house Baratheon is an extension of house to get garian since they are a cadet that house from the bastard line so Woodhouse Targaryen got ruined as well as has blackfyre That is the next best choice plus the head of the hose if five he had no busy going over sea to hopefully find surviving members of house Targaryen

[@danieldybka7065]

They shopped on Wish and ended up with Velaryon Steel swords

[@benyates3804]

Has anyone considered that the way others generate extreme cold then if they trod in liquid water it would freeze and trap them. It's not running water It's liquid

[@ryanjlarkin]

Sorry I missed this weeks stream. Catch you next week!

[@josiahdavistv1216]

Do you think somebody from house velrion will get 1 of deanerys dragons and if they do do you thonk they will betray her

[@Miquelalalaa]

Why was the superchat redacted at around 35 minutes in?

[@trfaison]

Why did I think she already died? 🤔, I know old Nan died, but i suppose I'm confused

[@davidjones272]

Quite a few actors on the show have passed, maester aemon died a few years ago as well.

[@robbypodobinski824]

Oh hell yea.

[@SHARKVADERS]

IDG!!!!!!!

[@Slechy_Lesh]

5:45

[@Djynni]

Looks like the name for House Velaryon is simply related linguistically to the other House names we know but just happens to start with a "V". Targary / Velary / Belaery are the beginnings of the 3 Valyrian House names we know so far, which all have the "ary" segment.

[@KayKayon]

House Celtigar is also from Valyria

[@TGJoeyT]

Celtigaryen

[@Djynni]

@@KayKayon Oh yes, I missed them because they aren't listed on the ASOIAF wiki. And also because their name is so different I didn't think of it. I wonder if there is a story behind why their name is so different - doesn't seem to be from the Valyrian language IMO.

[@KayKayon]

Djinn-1 They are on the wiki but there is little information about apart from their Valyrian origin. I think due to their overall little importance, House Celtigar were a rank below House Velaryon in Valyria. Apparently, House Celtigar has tried to lay claim to a group of islands but no one, including the inhabitants of the group of islands, takes it seriously.

[@Djynni]

@@KayKayon I was looking at the "Dragonlords" page :)

[@ousmanjallow7866]

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[@ilfurlano1228]

Next time I see you, you'll be all in black

[@DjRobin6969]

Please don't show your normal face, next time wear a hooded robe, like some aged, storyteller....