Carnage and Chaos ⚔️ The Infamous 1759 Battle of Kunersdorf (Part 15)

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@LoLMasterManiac
@LoLMasterManiac Жыл бұрын
Frederick the Great's campaigns are so poorly covered on youtube, you're doing great work coveriing them in your videos. Thank you sir!
@medievalmike5562
@medievalmike5562 Жыл бұрын
Babe wake up, The Infamous 1759 Battle of Kunersdorf just dropped
@paranoidandroid6095
@paranoidandroid6095 Жыл бұрын
- Really? - No, it was just a diversion to attack your rear
@adolphdresler3753
@adolphdresler3753 Жыл бұрын
​@@paranoidandroid6095 😂🎉
@dick_richards
@dick_richards Жыл бұрын
How did that go, btw??
@ralfklonowski3740
@ralfklonowski3740 Жыл бұрын
Well researched and presented, this is how it should be done! Your series on the Seven Years War does not have quite the same extent than The Great War channel and its follow-ups, but the vibes are similar: We see how the events unfold over a length of time. Love your voice and narrative style. If YT should ever fail you, consider applying as a radio or TV presenter/host. Greetings from Germany's Ruhr district!
@HoH
@HoH Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words!
@SafavidAfsharid3197
@SafavidAfsharid3197 Жыл бұрын
@@HoH hey will you also cover the battle of Plassey? If possible can you make a video on Battle of gangwana?
@AdityaSingh-iz5zs
@AdityaSingh-iz5zs Жыл бұрын
Sir one question. I had read that provinces beyond rhine didn't like prussian rule. Was it due to the fact that rhine was the region where enlightenment was born in germany and prussia was bastion of conservatism. Or any other reason ?
@ralfklonowski3740
@ralfklonowski3740 Жыл бұрын
@@AdityaSingh-iz5zs Thank you for your interest! I would not put it as enlightenment vs. conservatism. In fact Prussia was much more progressive than it looked on the surface. Remember that Friederich II of Prussia ("der Große") invited Voltaire to his court and established rule of law. Large parts of the Rheinland came to Prussia relatively late, at the end of the Napleonic Era. And even for those parts that had been ruled by Prussia for over a hundred years before that it was a clash of mentalities rather than philosophies. The Rheinland is light-hearted. Carneval is celebrated with gusto, disrespect against authorities is part of the general mindset and a big part of the carneval culture. Slightly bending the rules seems to be a way of life in Cologne; at least that is what we other Germans think (I am a Westphalian, living near Dortmund). The "Kölsche Klüngel" is proverbial in German. It translates roughly into "Cologne Rabbel", describing not only the people but also a state of maybe not always entirely legal buisness practices. Inside the wider frame of German culture, this is probably as unprussian as it can get, hence the animosities.
@AdityaSingh-iz5zs
@AdityaSingh-iz5zs Жыл бұрын
@@ralfklonowski3740 thank you for your generous support. Mentalities are big hurdle sometimes. If you permit, can I ask two more questions regarding german history?
@matheuscerqueira7952
@matheuscerqueira7952 Жыл бұрын
Saltykov is so underrated
@townazier
@townazier Жыл бұрын
Just another example of how greater still Frederick's legacy might've been, if he was more open to his general's advice.
@Свободадляроссии
@Свободадляроссии Жыл бұрын
You'd think he would catch on after a few defeats...
@DSH1ZNYT
@DSH1ZNYT Жыл бұрын
Truly, it seems to me that Frederick was actually the great logistician and trainer, and mediocre tactician.
@franjay5585
@franjay5585 Жыл бұрын
@@DSH1ZNYT I wouldn’t want to quote fiction to illustrate a point but I would imagine that his justification would be like Thorn’s to Jon Snow on top of the Wall before the wildlings attack in Game of Thrones. When you are the head figure in determining policy and tactics etc you must have an aura of certainty and the moment you start second-guessing yourself your ability to make decisions quickly becomes inhibited. At least this is what I imagine his justification would have been as in my opinion (after decent research) one of his biggest advantages was the ability to make decisions quickly and execute his plan efficiently.
@blecao
@blecao Жыл бұрын
@@franjay5585 I disagree on that to some extent, he did not have a bad oficer corps quite the contrary he has a well prepare oficer corps that had win a lot of battle with and without him, to disregard its advise so often i dont think was a great idea, specially on this case where he just ignored the alert that the austrians where on the atack, on other battles for example Kolin i can see that changing the strategy on the middle of an atack can have devastating results for the mens moral but on this case specifically is straigth up crazy
@franjay5585
@franjay5585 Жыл бұрын
@@blecao Now I am not quite sure if what I am about to say is accurate to this stage of the Seven Year’s war but I believe a lot of Frederick’s experienced and best officers from his previous wars were killed. I believe his Jacobite general died in this battle but again the main point being I believe a lot of his brightest officers were dead. I think in the later point of the Seven Years’ War some officers were as young as 13. This point is however undermined by the fair comment on how Frederick did (perhaps more often than he should have) ignore the advice of better officers. I should really have a look over my sources again as last time I researched this they were pretty dated. At the moment I am reading Dennis Showalter’s book on Frederick as it is specifically discussing the military history. After reading that I might be more confident about arguing his merits/faults as a military commander. Regardless I think many people can agree that Kunersdorf was not one of his finest moments.
@magnushorus5670
@magnushorus5670 Жыл бұрын
these are such a gift.... learning about history is so important and so many people will never bother... thank you! Your narration is excellent too
@michaelrobinson2687
@michaelrobinson2687 Жыл бұрын
(3:06) So, Frederick studied Charles XII of Sweden and didn't learn from his mistakes. 1709 - Charles XII's reckless advance into the Russian Empire costs Sweden 20,000 men at Poltava. 1759 - Frederick the Great's reckless attack against Russian forces costs Prussia 19,000 men at Kunersdorf. For someone with the epithet "The Great", Frederick should have done better.
@marcusweathers3070
@marcusweathers3070 Жыл бұрын
Even the greats were not perfect. Having "The Great" as your epithet doesn't just have to do with someone's victories in battle, but in what they contributed to the country or region in which they ruled. He kept Prussia alive, and his actions were integral to the existence of modern Germany.
@pib2008
@pib2008 Жыл бұрын
@@marcusweathers3070 Well, Friedrich II. certainly did receive his byname "the Great" for his war achievements surviving 3 wars for Silesia and enlarging Prussia. One reason for survivla was his stubbornness (and that "Miracle of the House Brandenburg" that his opponents did not give his reigh the death blow after Kunersdorf). This stubbornness led him 1st to commit an utter crime against the treaty of Westphalia and occupy Silesia starting the entire bloodbath. 2nd, he always opted for attacking while most times being outnumbered. Sometimes this worked -> greatly, and often this led to catastrophes. In the end, he won being a personal wreckage.
@charlesc.9012
@charlesc.9012 Жыл бұрын
For a weak state, choices were always limited. Prussia did not enjoy any advantage in geography. He was surrounded by very powerful and openly hostile nations, the longer they stayed in his territory, the more terrrible the carnage they would inflict on the civillians. Sun Tsu himself recommends speed over finesse, quick and clumsy >> slow but meticulous. The difference between Charles XII and Frederick was that the Swede could accept generous terms and leave the war, but chose not to. Frederick could only open negotiations after convincing victories, and attacking was the only way to dislodge his opponents
@pib2008
@pib2008 Жыл бұрын
@@charlesc.9012 You are right rconcerning the preemptive strike by Frederic II at the start of the Seven Years War. But your premise is false. That king assaulted Austria two wars prior without any reayson and on the contrary violating the Peace of Westphalia. This greedy crime led to three destructive wars altogether. Perhaps hsi father had beaten and despised him too oftern so that he wasnted to show off. A wreck in the end.
@charlesc.9012
@charlesc.9012 Жыл бұрын
@@pib2008 A treaty in the 18th century was worth as much as toilet paper. There was no international law, and you did not have to formally declare war. Hindsight is 20/20, but Prussia needed to get ahead right then and there before it got out of control. Initiative is everything for a weak state, war had to be conducted the moment Prussia was ready, because their speed was the only advantage
@andreascovano7742
@andreascovano7742 Жыл бұрын
When having a fanboy actually saves a country! Can't wait for next episode!
@michelwardynski6498
@michelwardynski6498 Жыл бұрын
Great story telling and the graphics are always top notch.
@HoH
@HoH Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@personnex4776
@personnex4776 Жыл бұрын
Ah the famous battle of Kunersdorf! Thanks you very much House of History for this video.
@robertorapp-hercules4107
@robertorapp-hercules4107 Жыл бұрын
Saludos de Mexico, Oscar muchas gracias por tus videos, la calidad es excelente.
@stephendedalus6369
@stephendedalus6369 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are always fascinating. The way you narrate it is really pleasing to hear. Can you please include a bibliography too? That would be a very good follow up.
@Dmitriy_Goryainov
@Dmitriy_Goryainov 7 ай бұрын
Very complimentary to Old Fritz. He retained the crown only because S.Petersburg did not want to finish him off, but only to teach him.
@ЙцукенПетрович
@ЙцукенПетрович 6 ай бұрын
Fun fact: Alexander Suvorov took part in this battle as an officer in the Saltykov's staff. It wasn't his first battle, but it's the earliest featured on this channel.
@KHK001
@KHK001 Жыл бұрын
Another great video as always!
@HoH
@HoH Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@gaulindidier5995
@gaulindidier5995 Жыл бұрын
New subscriber here, love the work you do. I just read The Politics of the Prussian Army by Gordon S Craig and i discovered your channel. Quality stuff. You should do the entire German history, very few people have a grasp of their entire history, it is quite complex after all. Also, i think we need a power elite inter marriage graph somewhere!
@napoleonibonaparte7198
@napoleonibonaparte7198 Жыл бұрын
Frederick should’ve checked his aggressive expansion before resuming wars constantly. Now he’s in trouble.
@ElBandito
@ElBandito Жыл бұрын
Oh, the irony...
@blecao
@blecao Жыл бұрын
@@ElBandito i mean at least napoleon achieve to keep its allies, diplomatically the greatest achievement of Frederick was to be abble to ally Austria and France after centuries of conflict
@LightxHeaven
@LightxHeaven Жыл бұрын
Frederick the Great was a good, but not brilliant general. The number of battlefield masterpieces and catastrophic blunders being about equal. However it was his leadership alone that kept Prussia going, despite such heavy defeats like seen at Kunesdorf. An brilliant leader of men and unrivaled administrator in times of exceptional crisis, his sheer will and determination to win the war was ultimately what put Prussia on the road to great power status.
@saturncocacola6086
@saturncocacola6086 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for these videos!
@michaelagainstme
@michaelagainstme Жыл бұрын
informational and Fun to listen too, that why i watch this ! keep up the great work
@HoH
@HoH Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@abdelnasserwardani3346
@abdelnasserwardani3346 Жыл бұрын
Please continue the series ,fantastic quality ......few come in comparison ,and its so good because you understand how fatal these battles were to your existence as a German, Prussia being Germany 0.0
@mohammedsaysrashid3587
@mohammedsaysrashid3587 Жыл бұрын
Most wonderful explained of mobilized troops besides region competition's amongst heart European countries & Russian empire participants..allot thanks House 🏠 of history channel
@month32
@month32 Жыл бұрын
As long as Daun is in charge, there is hope!
@ygobarreto
@ygobarreto Жыл бұрын
Outstanding !
@Soumyadeepchatterjee749
@Soumyadeepchatterjee749 9 ай бұрын
Hello, New subscriber here, I am a engineering Student from India. History has been always my favourite subject. I discovered some channels in yt like epic history tv, kings and generals, history marche. I was searching good videos about seven years war, i stumbled upon your channel. Keep it up. Really good explanation with maps and all 👍
@HoH
@HoH 9 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@Ksotilas
@Ksotilas Жыл бұрын
There are no good words I've not already said about the videos, but they are very very good.
@AdityaSingh-iz5zs
@AdityaSingh-iz5zs Жыл бұрын
Hello sir, as always your fan is here.
@personnex4776
@personnex4776 Жыл бұрын
Of course !
@phillataxeudo2563
@phillataxeudo2563 Жыл бұрын
This was critical point for Fredrick , if Austria and Russia capitalised their victory may be the result of seven years war would be different .
@VVeltanschauung187
@VVeltanschauung187 Жыл бұрын
Indeed, which is why Frederick was gambling. All great leaders have always gambled. Hannibal's entire Italian campaign was a gamble. Napoleon didn't shy away from gambling. What he did was completely reasonable from this point of view
@alexanderboev
@alexanderboev Жыл бұрын
Great storytelling as always!
@heikewolf1398
@heikewolf1398 Жыл бұрын
Great channel and marvellous coverage of this battle. The maps are extremely well done, this is entertaining and informative. One little thing, though: the subtitles are extremely faulty, especially (but not only) when it comes to names. As the rest is so thoroughly done, the mistakes in the subtitles are very noticeably by contrast. More care on these would be the final polish on such a great video.
@szymondawid7725
@szymondawid7725 4 ай бұрын
Great job, thanks
@pierremartini2229
@pierremartini2229 Жыл бұрын
Another superb episode. Thanks so much for your work.
@DukeGrimwaldTesco
@DukeGrimwaldTesco Жыл бұрын
When the Great Man forgets he is surrounded by and commands only mortal men.
@kcharles8857
@kcharles8857 Жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyable.
@sumazdar
@sumazdar Жыл бұрын
Dziękuję
@Jesse_Dawg
@Jesse_Dawg Жыл бұрын
Another amazing episode. Love this series
@szalard
@szalard Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this new great video.
@HoH
@HoH Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@frederickiithegreat4903
@frederickiithegreat4903 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@Camel25M
@Camel25M Жыл бұрын
Great video and narration. Excellent work.
@HoH
@HoH Жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@bmhh123
@bmhh123 Жыл бұрын
I love this series, you make wonderful content. I hope you will cove rhte battle of Minden aswell.
@HoH
@HoH Жыл бұрын
That's the plan!
@robbabcock_
@robbabcock_ Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@1987MartinT
@1987MartinT Жыл бұрын
This was, in my opinion, the worst defeat Frederick ever suffered. Not only did Kunersdorf cost him 40% of the army he led into the battle. It cost him 12% of all the troops in his army. Kay and Kunersdorf combined cost him 17% of all the troops in his army.
@mihailokuveljic2832
@mihailokuveljic2832 Жыл бұрын
Same mistake was made by Romel at Battle of Gazala 1942.. Stubborn attacking Bir Hakeim he miss the opportunity to destroy the 8th Army.
@jarogniewtheconqueror2804
@jarogniewtheconqueror2804 Жыл бұрын
They are quite similar suffering an equal amount of defeats to their victories and brilliant exploits
@wapak1709
@wapak1709 Жыл бұрын
Amazing, Thanks!!
@jmvm31
@jmvm31 8 ай бұрын
Seeing the 8000 casualties at Kay mentioned en passant gives me pause. Specially that after it Frederick called his men cowards after attacking a much bigger army. He was kind of a butcher in my view. And he doubled down on Kundersdorf and Torgau.
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 Жыл бұрын
Nicely informative video
@Back4Fungame
@Back4Fungame Жыл бұрын
great series, great research
@JDDC-tq7qm
@JDDC-tq7qm Жыл бұрын
Russia produces incredible warriors Uraa 🇷🇺💪
@notthefbi7932
@notthefbi7932 Жыл бұрын
Great series 👍
@gerardjagroo
@gerardjagroo Жыл бұрын
In all this war, I have nary seen anyone make a serious attempt to demolish the enemy supply lines or perform what I would call thorough reconnaissance.
@ethanpf449
@ethanpf449 Жыл бұрын
My favorite battle
@ElBandito
@ElBandito Жыл бұрын
Napoleon copied from Frederick the ability to concentrate its forces between multiple enemy armies and defeat them by detail... and his arrogance of thinking his idea is always the best.
@mmaa5109
@mmaa5109 Жыл бұрын
I wonder why Frederick was called great! 🤔
@parallax2453
@parallax2453 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your breathtaking videos. It woud be awesome if you could make one about Nader Shah .
@HoH
@HoH Жыл бұрын
That's the plan for 2023! Any books you'd recommend me?
@parallax2453
@parallax2453 Жыл бұрын
Will let you know if I find a book that is worth sharing.
@parallax2453
@parallax2453 Жыл бұрын
@@HoH I have checked out some books and only two are worth mentioning, though I believe the first one does not describe the battles as much as I would want it to and second one is in Persian: 1. The History of the life of Nader Shah, King of Persia / by William Jones 1773 2. The book of military and political history of Nadir Shah Afshar written by Abu Tarab Sir Dadour کتاب تاریخ نظامی و سیاسی نادرشاه افشار نوشته ابوتراب سر دادور(Persian name). There is also the channel where super videos (like this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5-smKGPrLuZgqs&ab_channel=AncientCaravan) are made. Cheers!
@HoH
@HoH Жыл бұрын
@@parallax2453 Thanks for sharing, very interesting! Unfortunately I don't speak Persian, so I will have to rely on English sources.
@Какой-тоКактус
@Какой-тоКактус Жыл бұрын
@@HoH I don't know what quality this book is, but it's probably the most famous. This book is called: "The Sword of Persia: Nader Shah, from Tribal Warrior to Conquering Tyrant" by Axworthy, Michael
@1987MartinT
@1987MartinT Жыл бұрын
Are you planning on covering the battles of Minden and Kay at some point?
@HoH
@HoH Жыл бұрын
Definitely - I plan to cover the Hanoverian-French front after I wrap up the series. I think I'll be able to do it more justice that way.
@1987MartinT
@1987MartinT Жыл бұрын
@@HoH Okay.
@chasechristophermurraydola9314
@chasechristophermurraydola9314 Жыл бұрын
Just saying but I can’t wait to see the battle of minden because I never knew this but Michel du motier Marquis de Lafayette was killed at minden and upon his death his son took up the title of Marquis de Lafayette and michels son would be none other than the famous Gilbert de motier Marquis of Lafayette who was the longest surviving General of the American Revolutionary War however Gilbert is also known as the hero of the two worlds and he is known as the hero of the two worlds for his accomplishment’s in the service of both France and the United States.
@이하늘-c3g
@이하늘-c3g Жыл бұрын
must be like Frederick's Leipzig.
@lucatabacchi8274
@lucatabacchi8274 Жыл бұрын
🤩 Thanks!!!!!!!!
@amtmannb.4627
@amtmannb.4627 Жыл бұрын
Great video! The terrain is looking very rough although the landscape in the Kurmark and Neumark is almost flat, gentle hills at most. I think that you are the best channel showing the battles of that war. Will you make a series about the WAS too?
@michaelrobinson2687
@michaelrobinson2687 Жыл бұрын
What does "WAS" mean here? If it means War of Austrian Succession then I think he already covered Prussia's involvement in it from Mollwitz to Soor.
@amtmannb.4627
@amtmannb.4627 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelrobinson2687 I know. I thought of a series about the campaign from Prague to Maastricht.
@Listo_frm_Wilmas
@Listo_frm_Wilmas Жыл бұрын
Oh Frederick thought he was Charles XII at the battles of Narva or Kliszów. He thought his outnumbered infantry was that of the elite Caroleans of Sweden .
@pyry1948
@pyry1948 Жыл бұрын
Any plans on doing any videos on John Churchill? He seems to be rarely covered here.
@dsmith377
@dsmith377 Жыл бұрын
needs a netflix or HBO miniseries on Fredrick the G.
@phillataxeudo2563
@phillataxeudo2563 Жыл бұрын
What happened to the sweddish front btw?
@cm.6217
@cm.6217 7 ай бұрын
There are a lot of mistakes. 5.19 Saltykov is named Prince. He never was and could not be!
@nirtulys
@nirtulys Жыл бұрын
Nice content, thank you for the espisode. Shame about sponsorship from known scam - Established titles.
@marechaldepeteteiii3312
@marechaldepeteteiii3312 Жыл бұрын
Frederick the Great's Gettysburg!!
@deathofchanel8568
@deathofchanel8568 Жыл бұрын
How is Frederick the Great, Great? He consistently disregarded his commanders opinions and it cost him the battle every time
@JDDC-tq7qm
@JDDC-tq7qm Жыл бұрын
Sounds like Hitler
@davidhughes8357
@davidhughes8357 Жыл бұрын
Listening to all the individual army totals would seem to suggest that every soldier in all of Europe was involved.
@DDAWGY1
@DDAWGY1 Жыл бұрын
All of Europe attacked us because they said they were terrified of the United German country! And Austria who was mostly German at the time helped! But going to war or raiding was a monthly event for are people so they had a great reason to fear!
@funfacttrivias2121
@funfacttrivias2121 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are informative and excellent however its sad to inform that your sponsor ET is a scam which is not suitable for your channel sir.
@rkitchen1967
@rkitchen1967 Жыл бұрын
I collect military boardgames. I've played Kunersdorf and I can't understand why Frederick fought this battle. The Russo-Austrian position and numerical superiority were ridiculous.
@AdityaSingh-iz5zs
@AdityaSingh-iz5zs Жыл бұрын
In 7 years war frederick needlessly forced his troops in useless battles and had them slaughtered. Before kunersdorf he forced his general to oppose the allied army. Resulting battle of Kay had 8000 prussian casualties.
@rkitchen1967
@rkitchen1967 Жыл бұрын
@@AdityaSingh-iz5zs That's a defensible argument. For example, the Battle of Zorndorf was probably unnecessary. The Russians were outside Koenigsberg, but it was late in the campaign season, they had a long line of supply, and no siege train. They weren't going to take the city that year before having to withdraw for Winter.
@skeeterboombaty
@skeeterboombaty Жыл бұрын
Good god your videos are amazing. I had NO interest in anything from this time and place in history. You have completely changed that. I wait anxiously for your next new video!!
@HoH
@HoH Жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@skeeterboombaty
@skeeterboombaty Жыл бұрын
@@HoH Love. I love this channel. You do fantastic work, and if I may say so...have a great fashion sense too! Cheers.
@KiljiArslan
@KiljiArslan Жыл бұрын
4:14 any relation to the infamous Russian Civil War warlord in Mongolia?
@cm.6217
@cm.6217 7 ай бұрын
haha, what a funny lecturer. A complete set of myths and cliches. If Cossacks are mentioned, they are definitely marauders.
@schneetiger9249
@schneetiger9249 Жыл бұрын
To get an impression of Friedrichs mood after Kunersdorf watch the monumental German movie „Der Große König“, Film der Nation 1942 (Highest German award for a movie, only awarded once per year). The music, setting, filming and acting in this part of the movie are nothing less than brillant. And Otto Gebühr, the German actor who played Friedrich in 12 movies, is Friedrich reincarnated.
@BunkerJunker
@BunkerJunker Жыл бұрын
Woah! I'd highly recommend against watching "Der große König" in light of a historical piece. Besides its numerous historical inaccuracies it is is after all first and foremost a propaganda piece of the third Reich to suit the view of the regime at the time of the ongoing second world war. While it is one of the rare movie pieces to depict the 18th century it should be viewn more in light of the time it was produced in.
@Cyfix15
@Cyfix15 Жыл бұрын
overzealous...once they took the hill, they could have waited to properly reassess the battle field...but then again this is armchair generalship. he probably thought he had the initiative after the success of taking the hill and cannons
@angelostriandos6659
@angelostriandos6659 Жыл бұрын
❤️❤️❤️🤘
@673-t3
@673-t3 Жыл бұрын
Real casualties of Prussians in Kunersdorf is 40,000 NOT 19,000
@FieldMarshalYT
@FieldMarshalYT Жыл бұрын
The bloodiest battle of the 18th century saw 36,000-40,000 casualties from both sides. Where are you getting those numbers from?
@rcant3241
@rcant3241 Жыл бұрын
​@@FieldMarshalYT I think that figure comes from a letter from Frederick to one of his ministers (von Finckenstein) written that evening while apparently suffering a physical and nervous breakdown in which he says "... of 48,000 men I have but 3,000 left. As I write, everyone is fleeing and I am no longer in command of my people". However, within a few days he, or rather General Finck, had managed to regather over 25,000 of the routed army to the west of the Oder, so they do not really count as casualties. I do not have the primary source, but it is cited in S.Fischer-Fabian's vivid Preußens Gloria: Aufstieg eines Staates (2007). ​ @House of History Really enjoying this series, especially the level of detail given to some of the lesser-known engagements and movements, like Prince Henry's excursion across the Austrian supply lines mentioned in today's, which are often overlooked. If you have a moment, what was the source for the pre-battle manoeuvres and the cavalry engagements on the Prussian right involving Seydlitz? I have read Blanning and Duffy, but don't recall their describing it in such detail.
@thoughtyouwerewokenospeedlimit
@thoughtyouwerewokenospeedlimit Жыл бұрын
Simialr to the great war channel. Uses a lot of the same animation, except stiffer.
@beepboop204
@beepboop204 Жыл бұрын
🙂
@viacheslavmatiukin3827
@viacheslavmatiukin3827 Жыл бұрын
I think, that battle map is totally incorrect
@gorankatic40000bc
@gorankatic40000bc Жыл бұрын
Agreed, he failed to show all of the features of the battlefield. Plus he failed to mention and show on the map Russian field fortifications since Saltikov was there, entrenching his army, for two weeks. Third thing he didn't mention is that at Kunersdorf Saltikov shoved craftiness and skill.
@viacheslavmatiukin3827
@viacheslavmatiukin3827 Жыл бұрын
@Grenadier on beans totally agree with you, what first surprised me, is the location of russian artillery, which is far away from its infantry, also all 3 hills - mullberg, gross-schpitz and judenberg, were almost on the same line, sloping towards mullberg. Back side of russian positions was a stream, with swampy banks, so there couldn't be Prussian cavalry attack from the rear.
@gorankatic40000bc
@gorankatic40000bc Жыл бұрын
@@viacheslavmatiukin3827 Slava, isn't life a set of slight and great disappointments. Maybe our host is a hack? Maybe he isn't, maybe it's just this video? I commented recently on one of his videos, this was the comment. I'm interested in your opinion: "Due to logistical limitations of the magazine system of supply there were no grand general battles of the Napoleonic era. During this logistical "two steps forward one step back" way of warfare every success was local, military catastrophe of the enemy (like Jena and Auerstedt in 1806) not exploited to the fullest, no battle alone was decisive in strictly operational military terms for the whole war. More important than yielding local gains was attritional physical and psychological shock - the Prussians simply wouldn't budge and disjointed powerful continental allies wouldn't and cannot work in consort because it presuppose the existence of Ferdinand Foch's 1918 overall command over Italian, French, British and American armies, a sort of a 18th century generalissimo existing as a child of political consensus to win the bloody war, to stop with selfish "primadona" vanity and allied state court backstabbing. No separate peace until the final victory! Frederick's genius of Hannibal like stature and aggressive military character could use his interior lines to counter his uncoordinated enemies who are maneuvering from the exterior lines. Similarly to Hannibal and many famous generals through history he aimed for fighting decisive battles but being generations apart from the post 1792 era he unintentionally fit right in with the exhausting attritional warfare of war wearing survival. The folk, the military and the Prussian elites endured - their much more powerful enemies eventually gave up. Goran Katić, a life long military history fanatic and an armchair general couch potato military expert, holder of the dried pizza crumbs 2nd class." I got no response.
@viacheslavmatiukin3827
@viacheslavmatiukin3827 Жыл бұрын
@Grenadier on beans in my opinion, the problem of Fridrich was quite a small army. At Kunersdorf he had 48.000, at Leiten - around 56.000. This is the number of soldiers in only one 3rd Davout Corp of Grand Armee Napoleon. With such number of soldiers, you cannot expect to get results of that in Napoleonic Era. The army of Fridrich were small because this was a professional army, not a conscript, as later. And professional soldiers cost more than conscripts, so you cannot have them as much as you want. Because of this comes the strategy of this period - save your own professional soldiers by cutting enemy supply lines, maneuvering and raids on the food stores, and as the result - to force the enemy to retreat. Decisive battle, actually is not required. Fridrich tried to beat his enemies in one-two battles on each front, because economy of Prussia couldn't effort such war. And he failed, because with the army of 40000 you cannot defeat the whole Austrian empire or France.
@olegevstigneev5367
@olegevstigneev5367 Жыл бұрын
Это где Фридрих победил русских в 57-58 годах? Во снах ,разве что.
@userunknown7675
@userunknown7675 Жыл бұрын
Whilst the Russian had higher casualties, it was a strategic victory for them.
@olegevstigneev5367
@olegevstigneev5367 Жыл бұрын
@@userunknown7675 а у пруссаков не было высоких потерь? Они же отступили,русским то не было куда отступать.Атака Зейдлица это тоже вопрос,так это было или не так.После этого нельзя сказать ,что это стратегическая победа.Атаковал ,успеха не добился ,потерял кучу солдат и офицеров.
@briantarigan7685
@briantarigan7685 Жыл бұрын
Russia manage to achieve something that are considered impossible in this war, too bad a brat sit on the Russian throne
@EnzoScavone
@EnzoScavone Жыл бұрын
1:24 ... w... what? you're selling scams? Frederick is turning in his grave... also, bring back the better narrator (the one who narrated "Napoleon's Greatest Generals."
@EnzoScavone
@EnzoScavone Жыл бұрын
you know what... it could be that that channel was called Epic History TV. But then, I wonder how you got ahold of the videos...
@HoH
@HoH Жыл бұрын
I create these videos myself. You're thinking of my friend EpicHistory TV
@11slain
@11slain Жыл бұрын
Established titles is a scam, I'm sorry o tell you. I really am sorry for that.. I went there got the title but 2 days later found out they're a scam.
@PhatCunt
@PhatCunt Жыл бұрын
how is this guy called the great? is it a sarcastic title? ive yet to see him win
@Spiderfisch
@Spiderfisch Жыл бұрын
In the end he won the war and by the end of his reign doubled prussias sizes and made it a respected great power
@elmascapo6588
@elmascapo6588 Жыл бұрын
@@Spiderfisch but people do be acting like this battle is a strategic masterpiece, while completly ignoring the rest of his career
@jarogniewtheconqueror2804
@jarogniewtheconqueror2804 Жыл бұрын
He has very competent foes who's soldiers don't flee at the noise of battle and are from the major powers of Europe
@-Vim-
@-Vim- Жыл бұрын
Established Titles is a well known scam, please look it up.
@LewisPulsipher
@LewisPulsipher Жыл бұрын
So far, Frederick hardly seems a great general/great captain.
@elmascapo6588
@elmascapo6588 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but you just can't say that after leuthen
@reinier123
@reinier123 Жыл бұрын
Maybe it's just me but sometimes I can't tell if you're saying Prussians or Russians. 😄 Great video! 👍🏻
@ОлегКурилов-р4ж
@ОлегКурилов-р4ж Жыл бұрын
Definitely a dislike! Strength: Russia (+Austria) - 59,500 , 248 guns. Prussia - 50,900, 230 guns (en.wikipedia.org - Featured articles)
@HoH
@HoH Жыл бұрын
You trust Wikipedia over academic sources?
@ОлегКурилов-р4ж
@ОлегКурилов-р4ж Жыл бұрын
@@HoH What source are you referring to using this FALSE troop count? :) The above figures for the number of troops are taken from: Prussian: Duffy, Christopher (1996). The Army of Frederick the Great, p. 235. Russians: Duffy, Christopher (2015b). Russia's Military Way to the West: Origins and Nature of Russian Military Power 1700-1800. p. 189. This is the data of a MILITARY historian who dealt directly with this topic
@wilkinstokarev5705
@wilkinstokarev5705 Жыл бұрын
As a half Russian I'm proud to say that we Russians are better soldiers than the Prussians/Germans at this period of 1759 Slava Rossiya Ura!
@elmascapo6588
@elmascapo6588 Жыл бұрын
If they were soo good, then why did they had to rely on numbers to not get instantly Leuthend?
@kollo3457
@kollo3457 Жыл бұрын
@@elmascapo6588 Russia didn’t participate in Leuthen.
@elmascapo6588
@elmascapo6588 Жыл бұрын
@@kollo3457 and? Doesn't change the fact that the muscovites were always saved by numerical superiority Prime example being Kunnendorff
@wilkinstokarev5705
@wilkinstokarev5705 Жыл бұрын
@@elmascapo6588 listen jew 🐀 battles of russia in the seven years war we're gross-jaegersdorf kay zorndorf kunersdorf raid on berlin 1760 then siege of kolberg 1761 another question then why did we Russians beat frederick the great at this battle of kunersdorf means we russians we're better.
@wilkinstokarev5705
@wilkinstokarev5705 Жыл бұрын
@@elmascapo6588 lame excuses jew why are you so anti russian remember if my grandfathers didn't reach Auschwitz the Germans would make you toasted bagels just accept the fact that Frederick the great got beaten by the Russians at kunersdorf.
@Treemanforever
@Treemanforever Жыл бұрын
Apparently, Established Titles has come into some controversy. I’d suggest looking more into it since i cant explain the full story here! Love the vids btw! 🫶🏼
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