How A Dutchman Works For Tree Felling [w/ demonstration]

[@bobmartin6055]

Great shot!! Great explanation of using a Dutchman! Stay safe

[@timberfallingcouple]

Thank you thank you

[@brandonsigecan3174]

Excellent video. You explained this better than anyone I've ever seen. Been doing this job 22 years and am just grasping the concept now after your explanation.

[@bearwoodcraft3591]

Hey guys long time no see great seeing you guys online glad your both well spoke with Kevin recently said you guys were doing good with the tree work

[@JohnnyIDive37]

Artist Phil....Artist!

[@roanevans-ehricht1232]

Very glad you decided to get online loved seeing you on guilty of treeson acouple years ago! Hoping you do start a podcast will be looking out

[@axesandthings483]

I'm glad you made sure to point out that this doesn't always work. People try this stuff when they're doing residential tree work and end up smashing stuff up, because they're either doing it wrong or it just didn't work that time. I really only do residential stuff, and we would put a line in it and pull instead. But we only drop a few trees a day, and have access to get machines in.

[@timberfallingcouple]

Well that's a big part of the story right there. Putting lines ⅔ or more the way up a tree are far safer and far more predictable than jacks or dutchmans, but in the log woods, there just isn't time. And nobody is going to want to lug around that mass and volume of gear while they're timberfalling. So we use a jack, knowing damn well that tree Jack's are not the safest method available. They're actually extremely dangerous and I've seen guys have catastrophic failures from not knowing how to use them. So also good of you to point out, your money comes from the removal itself, our money comes from the volume of wood.

[@Drobert882]

Use to love working trees , toping dropping but I've blown out my back and only get to watch the pros do it today.. great job looks perfict

[@KevinsDisobedience]

Best nuanced discussion of it I’ve heard

[@johnoneill7485]

Seeing the stump would helped visually since we could not see any of the actual cutting!!...nicely done though.

[@simd510]

How do you prevent your bar from getting pinched when you saw into the dutchman during the back cut?

[@timberfallingcouple]

Timing and practice. The trick is to get it cut off directly as it is rolling over the sharp corner from the dutchman into the undercut.

[@gabbygonzaga552]

​@@timberfallingcoupleduring the back cut, do you first cut the low side or high? It would be super cool if you could show on the stump how you make the back cut. I have a side leaning tree that I would like to attempt this technique but I'm not sure how to make the back cut without getting stuck.

[@timberfallingcouple]

@gabbygonzaga552 I will try to make a video using drawings.

[@gabbygonzaga552]

@@timberfallingcouple that would be super helpful,thank you!!

[@ChristineMyers-g5c]

Hey Phil. Guess we should call you the pirate of the Cascades and the timber falling Dutchman..🤔..idk..looked better in my mind.

[@joebourke1018]

Very Good job 👍👏

[@thomaseroh6973]

(take this with a grain of salt if you want:) If you show the remaining trunk after felling, it might help as a visual aid in a "post-felling recap" of your video subject. Either way, keep up the good work. 👍

[@timberfallingcouple]

You mean the stump? I took one today that should be a little better to see that.

[@jessealvarado4319]

Nice work!!

[@timberfallingcouple]

Thanks jesse

[@mitchzenobitrees]

Well done!

[@rmiller2179]

dutchman stumps not OSHA or Weyerhaeuser approved. so we bucked off the end of the butt log to hide the dutchman, threw the slab into the brush so the chunk inspector or saw boss couldnt tell we wuz using dutchman everywhere, funny tho they praised us for our perfect lays

[@davidwyby]

Nice! Sloooow fall

[@threefeetofair758]

Yeah, when you drop it contrary to its lean it takes a minute for gravity to take hold. 8m always pleased to see a slow fall when I cut a leaner.

[@Drobert882]

Idk but my father taught me to angle cut the under cut like a heel on the side you want to push away from on a Dutchman

[@anderslonn730]

Great explaination, there is improvement to do in filming ☝

[@Neet-i8e]

Do you guys do any climbing or topping?

[@timberfallingcouple]

I do a little if I need some money quick when I'm out of work, but I'd rather not.

[@Neet-i8e]

@@timberfallingcouple I've rigged my fair share of lift trees back before I had back surgery and I hated it so I don't blame you one bit!

[@donmoore7785]

Nice

[@dennispeltier6142]

😊😊😊😊😊

[@TheAcenightcreeper]

Should have used a sizwheel…amateur hour over here…i remember felling my first tree

[@indigatorveritatis8891]

Hey, dammit, I resemble that Gomer Pyle remark😠

[@raylaclair5138]

I new you were going 2 do it the heart was bleeding just a bit .bucking bill Ray wood be proud 👏 the man in Canada 🇨🇦 you no him .nice job I wing it but the big bad ones I let you lady friend do them .

[@ggcutter4098]

well said

[@timberfallingcouple]

Thanks gary

[@larrywarner9314]

Wut about a soft Dutchman in a situation like that

[@timberfallingcouple]

i dont have the slightest idea what a soft dutchman is, can you explain it?

[@rmiller2179]

thats wut she said

[@abrogard]

He didn't explain to me how a dutchman works at all. I've seen a lot of vids and just about none of them do. Yep, quite possible I'm too dumb to understand their explanations. Anyway I finally got what i think is a true understanding. For anyone interested i goes like this: Basically a dutchman cut does two things: starts the tree falling, that's one and then 'trips it' so's it changes direction of fall. That's two. So crude representation to exaggerate you could push a pole so's it fall down in front of you pointing away from you. That's like a tree going down in the direction of lean. Or you could push a pole down so it fall in front of you onto onto some kind of slide that makes it go sideways. That's like a tree going down under the influence of a dutchman. You have to start with correct placement of the Centre of Gravity. It has to be over there in the direction of lean. It'll be there for sure. But it also has to be on the side of your notch, where you want it to go. That's not so much for sure. You have to check it. So what happens is you cut away the lean side of the hinge a bit. A sawcut So when enough wood is gone the tree starts falling because of that: towards its lean. But it doesn't get very far - just far enough to close that cut. But now you've got some tons of tree moving and with momentum and when it closes that cut that movement is going to continue if it can and it can because you've got a notch there and there's no resistance there at all.. So it stops the 'lean' direction fall and starts to fall towards the notch direction, the way you've gunned it. IF the CG is over on that side as well as being over on the lean side. If the CG is not on the notch side it will close the dutchman and sit down on the backcut, wanting to go that way. And it can't, probably. Can't fall with the lean, you've still got most of the hinge there. Can't fall with your notch because the CG (maybe lots of branch growth on top or something) is on the other side. So it stands on the stump and you can't get your saw in because it sits on it and you can't get a wedge in. So the 'swinging' was done in that first couple of seconds when it closed the dutchman and then momentum 'swung' towards the 'side CG'. A soft dutchman does the same thing only it is even weaker on the lean side having those extra cuts so it is promoting the lean fall even more. We can see from this you only really need a dutchman if the 'side' offset of the CG is insufficient. If we were falling a tree leaning away from us with a lot of top wood and maybe even a bend int he trunk to the right and we want to drop it to the right then that 'rightwards' lean, that part of the CG offset is going to start it going where we want pretty easy. But it is a straight all tree with the CG right there in the trunk we could find trouble. Best to wedge it over to get that CG where we want it even with a dutchman in there. That's how I see it.

[@rmiller2179]

weyerhauser in OK-ARK regionin 70-80's outlawed use of dutchman. too many injuries/deaths due to unskilled use. either the tree set back and broke off or falling over backwards or faller staying at the stump too long and getting caught in barberchair break. Also not an OSHA approved method, none the less we used them a lot to maintain lead or work property lines. i have gotten as much as 60 degrees from head lean , sometimes using a 3 stage dutchman on bigger trees. at the other extreme I know post cutters( 6-10" dbh SWP) that didnt use a notch cut at all, just walked a cut around the but kinda like a spiral cut ham and they had excellent directional control and speed, but i never got proficient at that .....all has to do with where you start the cut vs head lean and desired direction of fall. same deal tho...you are controlling/shifting the COG by tilting the mass of the tree in the correct direction---first it closes up the dutchman kerf(s) and then the tree starts to align to the notch cut. The big trick is to get the tree to change leans with pitching over too far and breaking off the stump and falling in an uncontrolled manner

[@abrogard]

@@rmiller2179 Yep. I would like to know about that 'no notch' method. Can you describe that well enough so's I can get it (I'm pretty slow on picking up things) ? I think the big thing is the tree doesn't 'change leans' does it, really. We're not talking wedging nor pulling, just felling. So if it does not have some lean to the direction you want it to go it will not go there. Yep, that's what the ciswheel is for, eh? To prevent the thing pitching over too far. When the dutchman closes it can't continue in that direction ( if the hinge holds ) so it continues where it can - i.e. to the side the CG is on.

[@robertodebeers2551]

Too much pointing and bla-bla-bla. Show the face cut being made. Show the undercut being made. Show the Dutchman. Show the back cut. Show don't talk. And knock off the condescending "Gomer Pile" derogatory comments.

[@timberfallingcouple]

Hahaha you sure are triggered 😂

[@robertodebeers2551]

You're a good hand, but to me, you're just a young squirt. Stay safe out there. @@timberfallingcouple