How a Joke Turned into One of the Biggest Submarine Tragedies Ever

[@pchris6662]

As a Cold War submariner I spent my career chasing these boats in the most deadly game of cat and mouse you can imagine. Nonetheless, I and every one of my shipmates had a lot of respect for those submariners on the other side because they were fellow submariners too and we knew they were trapped in vastly inferior equipment and their safety was severely compromised. So, it is with that in mind that I must say with all sincerity that I don’t believe for one second that a “bored” submariner decided to play around with the control switches of a fire safety system! No way! I don’t care if he’s Russian, American or whatever, that’s just BS. Thanks for a great video.

[@rhpiggy123]

When you have humans involved, anything can happen wherever you are in the world

[@Mr_Meowingtons]

i have taked to some real dumb people..

[@jetroar17]

More likely the soviet higher ups didn't want the submarine itself to be at fault. Too much money and pride at stake. So they found a scapegoat...

[@additudeobx]

@@jetroar17 That's possible, but the point is, a bored sailor at comm controls, on a sea trial wasn't the cause.

[@Longtack55]

"Deadly?" - not a shot fired and playing follow the leader.

[@angelanothanks6]

I think that's called a "fire suppression system". The "Fire Control system" controls the launching of weapons.

[@dp-sr1fd]

There would be less confusion if they called it the weapon control system. You would know exactly what was meant.

[@FamiliarAnomaly]

@@dp-sr1fd Yeah, but what if you're fire control but also offgoing watch cycle you are lead hose team for DC - technically i do also fight fires in this scenario, just to be extra confusing (submarines don't have dedicated DC teams like surface)

[@chrisperrien7055]

People "in the know" use the terms interchangeably. Like the mag/clip thing ;)

[@tamisthewizard3199]

@@chrisperrien7055 people in the know will get up your ass for using them interchangeably.

[@chrisperrien7055]

@@tamisthewizard3199 IB1 , and I simply don't care about "semantics" . "Experts/people in the know" should already know better.

[@Wolvieonepunch]

The men that spend their Navy career's on submarines are just a whole different class of man.

[@ricksmith4736]

The surface naval people call them Bubbleheads..

[@kittymervine6115]

@@ricksmith4736 the submariner crews cal surface level ships "Targets".

[@00kt86]

@@kittymervine6115 Surface ships are easy targets for sure.

[@jtjames79]

​@@ricksmith4736 Only in polite company. Everywhere else submariners are "sperm".

[@dodoubleg2356]

Agreed!!!

[@BUSTER.BRATAMUS]

How a Joke Turned into One of the Biggest Submarine Tragedies Ever? What was the JOKE?

[@ScottKenny1978]

Allegedly, untrained and bored dude playing with the fire suppression system.

[@dodda]

I thought they had actually installed a screen door on the sub.

[@contorta960]

It's a prank bro, it wasn't a sub it was a hotdog

[@alant5757]

The submarine was the joke

[@Dmarcoot]

8:30 mark

[@NASWOG]

The halon system blew while I was on the Eisenhower. I was one of 4 sailors in “2-pump”, one of two jp-5 pump rooms (jet fuel) on the 7th deck, far below the waterline at the bottom.. The space was closed but luckily the system’s lights alerted us and we were able to escape. This never went public because myself and the other 3 survived… this is one of 3 incidents that could’ve easily killed me. Such is the case on many older ships. Edit: in-depth. (circa 2016) For this incident, we need to understand that within many spaces, which are owned by an assigned department/ division, there is equipment that belongs to other divisions. In this case, the halon, AFFF, fire main, fire main pumps, and other systems are maintained by engineering department/ damage control division (DC). The spaced is owned and operated by air department/ V4 (fuels) division. It all started with a leak stemming from gundecked (forged or incomplete maintenance) which prompted the under-qualified watchstander in DC central to press the shiny red button on the console in order to shut up the alarm. This red button then allowed the invisible, neutral smelling, and toxic gas to be discharged. This is very loud but because pumprooms require double hearing protection due to insane machinery noise, this was impossible to hear. We only noticed the flashing lights after another sailor got tired and dizzy (due to hypoxia), stopped what he was doing with the fuel samples and began walking around. It was then that he noticed the strange light in the back was flashing. Unfortunately we did the dumbest thing possible and began looking for smoke and a way to deactivate the system, which was impossible. Luckily we managed to stagger ourselves to the hatch and escape to the control room. We promptly went to medical and once cleared, we went to DC central to raise hell. This was swept under the rug due to the INSERV we just passed. There was another incident where I almost drowned in JP-5 (jet fuel) that still bothers me almost as much as the deaths I had to clean up after (mostly due to Darwin and negligence). Story 2: this one is simpler. I had to go sounding every night. This is where you drop a plumbob and tape down into a fuel tank to see how much is in there. One time I had to climb down into a tiny space in the bow bubble located on the 7th deck. I was assured that the tanks were less than half capacity and all preliminary examinations of sensors were normal. Unfortunately, once I opened up one of the sounding tubes, a gyser of fuel shot up into my face, up my nose, in my ears, my eyes, mouth, ect. The small space began to rapidly flood so I blindly searched for the emergency cutoff valve. I ended up having to stick my head “under water” to get the valve shut. I then began yelling for help while attempting to climb the 7-deck-tall vertical latter. I received nothing but medical attention from this incident and again, it was swept under the rug. What had happened was the console operator on another part of the ship forgot to switch tanks while purifying. This caused an overpressure. The fuel ended up rising to my collar bone; i’m 6 ft 2 inches. I have no lasting effects from this fortunately, it was about 7 years ago.

[@evanmassey9071]

^

[@marcofransowitz4773]

Id love to hear more

[@koharumi1]

And the other 2?

[@allyionsol3274]

Served on Ike 2018-2022 Had several incidents of varying degrees of danger and stupidity. The ship is just falling apart

[@chrislong3938]

Training baby! I'm always amazed when I think back as a soldier a very long time ago! I was never in a lot of combat, being in a counter-battery radar unit but if it happened, and man! When your position is being overrun, you learn how to rip apart a sleeping and run when needed!

[@jayjones9125]

The comments here of submariners, and those who know them, is a testament to the quality of people who watch this amazing channel. Bravo.

[@veramae4098]

... and a curse on the investigators.

[@weblure]

I can't wait for the OceanGate sequel: "How a Submarine Tragedy Turned into One of the Biggest Jokes Ever"

[@FluorescentGreen5]

i too saw the video title expecting it to be about oceangate lmao

[@colrhodes377]

I was in the Royal Navy and never once did I consider submarines. These guys are the pinnacle of naval training and a special breed.

[@adamcarreras-neal4697]

when I failed thre RAF medical, the Navy recruiter asked if I'd consider the navy instead. Got a long way through, then the Lt Commander thaty was doing the next round of interviews wanted my to go in subs post training. Made my mind up really qucikly! Totally agree on the pinnalce and definately special breed. I'm not quite that mad

[@tacet3045]

Yeah but then you smell it after they open the hatch after a 2 month deployment.

[@colrhodes377]

@@tacet3045 yep, you can smell them from half a mile downwind

[@colrhodes377]

@@Tipo-F120b Very much depends on who designed the sub and if they're looked after properly

[@Kelnx]

People say that, but I dunno. I can't speak for the Royal Navy or their submarines, but as a former Submariner in the US Navy, I would just say that my crewmates and I were just...a bit crazy maybe. But not the kind of crazy that requires too much physical effort. And we sure as hell weren't the "pinnacle" of anything except maybe "stupidity". I could accept that one. We're "special" alright.

[@tammyhollandaise]

The USS Miami had a fire while in dry dock. It turned out that a worker wanted to go home early, so he lit a small fire in a bunk room. The blaze was so extensive that the submarine was eventually stricken from service.

[@neglectfulsausage7689]

was he a jogger/ that sounds like jogger behavior.

[@ahamay2012]

Well, that worker will be at home for a while...

[@blank1778]

@@ahamay2012in a nice dark cell

[@johnnunn8688]

Sentenced to 17 years and ordered to pay $400,000,000 in restitution. How will he earn that, while imprisoned?

[@neglectfulsausage7689]

@@johnnunn8688 joggers gonna jog.

[@vic5015]

I remember the Kursk disaster, but I've never heard of this one.

[@dpelpal]

Just another russian disaster due to incompetence, nothing to see here lol

[@marcwilliams9824]

Same

[@thunderbird1921]

The Russians have a HORRIFIC safety record when it comes to their military (they've been this way for years), there's probably a number we're not even aware of. I'm pretty sure they had like four fatal major accidents in 2019, one of them involved nuclear fuel IIRC. Being a Russian conscript has to be one of the most horrible roles a young man could find himself in, apart from the hellholes like North Korea.

[@ScottKenny1978]

I remember hearing about this one...

[@georgebarnes8163]

there was a second incident when the sub was leased to India in 2020, one crew member was killed when a high pressure cylinder exploded between the hull skins, the sub is now only fit for scrap

[@coloradomountainman8659]

You used Chinese steel and then wondered about the quality? You're kidding, right?

[@edbrown6985]

They believe in titanium double hulls to.wonder why they used anything Chinese in a nuclear submarine.

[@Erin-Thor]

What’s wrong with Chinese tin? I mean steel. My bad.

[@MontanaDirtRoads]

Good ole chineseium ,nobody knows what it's made from or how long it will last.

[@JackClayton123]

I worked for a time in the valve industry, where the metallurgy of the casting was/could be critical. High end alloy castings where brought in from the US, Canada and Europe (Belgium). Intermediate alloys could be brought in from India. Only the basic, broad spec alloys would be sourced from China.

[@dave-d-grunt]

Remember, the subs and the carrier China has are made in China….

[@chrisperrien7055]

IMO, This sub had an autonomous fire-fighting system in its forward torpedo room because of the Kursk accident. Halon systems in such areas , (ammo, fuel, flammable-explosive chemical storage) have to act instantaneously in the event of a flash fire. They usually have both temperature and flash sensors, along with "dead-man" switches, that will set them off with any electrical short or disconnect. Because of this, such systems are more prone to accidental activations than purely manual Halon/fire systems If you work in such areas with auto-Halon systems , where there is no chance to "get-out quickly , you had better know where the nearest SCBA is , or be carrying one, because you will only have about 30 seconds-1minute to put one on after the Halon sucks all the oxygen out of the area. And it is toxic as well even in lower concentrations..

[@truthsRsung]

That isn't an opinion, for one. Two, Navy personnel better be able to hold their breath for longer than one minute, IMO.

[@chrisperrien7055]

@@truthsRsungThe time span was a generality. Sure it could be 2+ minutes for some, in optimal circumstances, certain people/etc. And I get the "IMO" thing, but in this case IDK , for certain;) But it is really not a "holding your breath" thing when those Halon systems* go off , You won't/don't have a chance to. It is more like "boom" and instantly you are in a cloud of "baby powder" , that you won't/don't want to breath in and there is no oxygen in the air anyway. You gotta work with whatever oxygen that is in your system at that random instant(hopefully you are not breathing hard/working physically at that time), to get out of the area, and/or find/put on an SCBA. - Self-Contained Breathing Apparatus. And also hopefully the cloud is not so thick , that you can still see and light to see as well.. And/or you only have to move a short distance to get out of the cloud, while possibly not being able to see. BTDT- twice ;) The 2nd time . I just stood in it about 20 seconds just to check out the floating dust(i had light) and watch it coat everything. - Going "Chit! I am going to have clean this chit up later!" LOL Regards *Halon/fire suppression systems- the actual chemicals involved, cloud thickness/floating toxic residuals/hang-time vary a lot

[@monkeybarmonkeyman]

@@chrisperrien7055 We used to have such systems in our 'secured' business computer rooms back in the 80's/90's... Thank God never had to deal with one going off.

[@truthsRsung]

@@chrisperrien7055 ...If you don't care to be accurate and don't care what other people think, you have become useless to humanity.

[@chrisperrien7055]

@@monkeybarmonkeyman If you ever have to work in or around such areas again, ALWAYS have TWO light sources. A flashlight/LED Penlight AND a back-up ( I suggest a Chem-lite, because those don't break or need working batteries) . In the event of a real fire(probably electrical) or whatever, it is quite possible the lights will go out at the same time the Halon goes off. And being stuck in halon cloud in a pitch black area/room, is an easy way to die. Beside that, such areas should have SCBA's . know where those are , and if they are operable. Or carry one And always stay aware of where you are and what exit path you would use.* I used to practice when I was down in ship ammo holds and vehicle/equipment storage decks , by closing my eyes when I headed out of such areas, both towards finding the exit(s) and the nearest SCBA station. I was disappointed (and dead) if I failed to do so , during these "tests" . Bashed my shin pretty good on M177 Cannon carriage trail once too. :) You really have to be prepared to get out, in the dark , at any time , when there is a fire and/or an accidental activation of those fire systems. Most companies and gov agencies are pretty good about fire training for such dangerous areas, and providing gear/flashlights working/inspected SCBA's. But there are others that are more lax or uncaring/ignorant of the real hazards involved. Its up to you to save your own butt either way. Regards * of course this is true for any building you might be in - store, night-club , factory, etc. A lot of people have died in fires/smoke, because they could not find their way out, probably in the dark, and didn't know where the exits were. I realize you were talking of 40+years ago, but I typed all this mainly to maybe help/advise others

[@BritishBeachcomber]

My wife worked in a data center with an automatic Freon gas fire suppression system. When the alarm sounded you had 30 seconds to get out before you were locked in and dead. *Scary 😮*

[@DeaconG1959]

I worked at a tracking station for NASA that had a halon system, we were told the same thing except the doors weren't locked, they all had crash bars. "If you hear the system go off, you get OUT." That system was kept deliberately off-line for that reason.

[@slots1407]

I was the manager of such a data centre. We never actually tested the system..

[@tarsxenomorph8845]

Same. Worked at a data center back in the 1990's. Halon fire suppression. We got no training at all from management, but the supervisors just told us to run if the alarm went off. I always wondered if the Halon system would cause overpressure in the rooms and would we be able to open the doors. Never found out thankfully.

[@phildavenport4150]

@@tarsxenomorph8845 Run? With no instructions, where to?

[@DeadSetOnDestruction]

Yes, we watched TENET too. No need to lie

[@hollyfoxThe]

Was on the USS Ortolan, a sub rescue ship. We always heard bubblheads say, 'There are only two kinds of ships. Submarines and targets'. We would correct them saying there were three, submarines, targets and submarine rescues. 🤣

[@stevengoodloe3893]

My dad was on a destroyer in Vietnam. Bubbleheads would tell him the same thing. Based on what dad saw subs do, he believed the bubblehead.

[@CYBERVISIONSdotCom]

REALLY?? IF you were on the Ortolan, then you SHOULD REMEMBER what Pier and Squadron you were attached to (per se on the Pier)🤔 You also know if you were on the Ort Cloud that there’s no such thing as a “Submarine Rescue”.

[@CYBERVISIONSdotCom]

@@stevengoodloe3893 During WWII, Destroyers tended to have the tactical advantage because Submarines of that era were designed to primarily run surfaced, only submerging for attack and evasion. That’s not the case anymore; we always have the Tactical Advantage now due to huge advances in Sonar, Fire Control Systems, Homing Weapons, and the ability to outrun an adversary while submerged - or at least match speeds. Granted, Tin Cans have stand-off weapons, but they still need to hear us and gain a Target Solution; and they’re already at a disadvantage since the ocean environment favors us hearing them first. In fact, we can detect, track, shoot OTH and then escape and evacuate the area all before the weapon hits the Target.

[@Jeff-oe1yx]

Even the use of R-114 for fire suppression seems insane. When exposed to an open flame or otherwise extreme heat it thermally decomposes into phosgene gas and hydrofluoric acid, among other things. Both of which are extremely toxic in tiny doses

[@Mercmad]

I've sniffed that phosgene twice over the years and both times when brazing refrigeration piping. Which was supposed to have been drained and purged. a sniff takes your breath away instantly.

[@vxrdrummer]

On my first ship, the Halon system fired into one of the engineering spaces. It was fired accidentally into the space by a team testing the system. There was already a team of people in the space at the time. The warning beacons sounded, and as the guys were trying to get out, the hatches were being closed from above. They just made it out in time thankfully. There was a huge investigation into the incident, outcome is not for here. I have deliberately used non-naval terminology to protect the ship and the personnel involved. The less detail, the better. A CO2 shot was also fired on another ship of mine. No casualties, thankfully, as the CO2 was held in the manifold and was released safely later on. This is a safer way of using drench systems and gives more control.

[@truthsRsung]

Just the kind of people we need around Nukes. Keep changing facts to protect the Guilty, you fit right in. "Safer way" of playing with weapons designed to slaughter people? Who are you kidding besides yourself?

[@johnnunn8688]

Was it a ship or a boat?

[@vxrdrummer]

@@johnnunn8688 ship...on top of the water if that is what you mean?

[@philiplubduck6107]

Sounds like an incident we don’t know about due to military secrecy. He did not mention enough details to denote which craft he was aboard as to not get himself or crew mates in trouble. I do hope some demotions and dishonorable discharges were involved for such a serious accident. It’s a mistake but one you can’t afford to make. If it’s a training issue I hope the person in charge of training was discharged. A surprising number of “murder” due to negligence in the military goes unpunished as they believe it’s just a part of life. Meanwhile if a mechanic fails to notice a crack in a track or turbine of a plane in the civilian world they can be charged with manslaughter, not to mention lose their career.

[@reggiefurlow1]

I'll take my chances dodging mortars and Rockets on land

[@marcoosvald8429]

My first tour in the military was in the Navy as a Torpedoman on a submarine. When that hitch finished, I ETS'd and went Army AIRBORNE. I wound up a mortarman, LOL

[@charlesdobbs4570]

No way in Hell I'm or would of crawled into one of those. For Nothing. Only way to live is by getting in Well I'm a goner.

[@joemcgonagle7177]

​@@charlesdobbs4570 truth. I couldn't imagine that shit. The definition of anxiety. Your locked in a tight space and on top of that your hundreds of feet under water. No way.

[@aevangel1]

"dodging mortars and rockets" Been there, done that. OIF 2007 & 2009

[@ginmar8134]

​​@@aevangel1 OIF 2004, had my own personal re-enactment of Black Hawk Down, came back with head injuries, torn rotator cuffs, and suspicious combat "arthritis".

[@mikeb.3918]

Great coverage of this subject. As a submarine veteran myself, I always enjoy the varied history of the submarine navies of the world, but especially the blunders of the Soviet/Russian Navy. Just wondering why you decided to use the image of the Kursk instead of the Nerpa as the thumbnail. Feeling a little click-baited.

[@JerseyTom]

thank wikipedia, since this video is just a narration of the article there

[@ccrider3435]

"After the accident, there remained an unanswered question: ''Are our hospitals as bad as our submarines?"

[@dpelpal]

2 out of 3 hospitals in russia _don't even have running water._ So...yeah, they're even worse.

[@br0k3nman]

This is Russia. So both are pretty bad unless you’re part oligarchs and pals, who just fly to Switzerland and places for treatment.

[@TonySpumoni_]

russia is garbage front to back

[@darkstraylily1477]

Actually medical system is better than the western one. However this was a decade ago.... now however....

[@Darryl_Frost]

great video as usual, just one point 'fire control system' is the term used for the system that controls the guns, aiming and such, this is a fire supression system.

[@charlesdobbs4570]

Good ear. I missed it.

[@Seafarer64]

I was wondering about that. "Were they trying to launch a missile?" "Oh... he meant a fire."

[@BoycottChinaa]

That's how worlds get destroyed!

[@Sniperboy5551]

You can tell the writer doesn’t know anything about military terminology. There are always plenty of errors in these videos.

[@KutWrite]

@@Sniperboy5551 Some of the mispronunciations indicate a robotic reader.

[@Vok250]

This is some classic USSR right here.

[@dpelpal]

And to think....they're thought of as _competent and professional_ compared to today's russian military🤣

[@TonySpumoni_]

@@dpelpal russians? competent? lol

[@robstubeeats7709]

Seems like a very Russian move to say it was an experienced operator playing with buttons. Definitely faulty equipment and lack of preparedness

[@edbrown6985]

Just like chernobal

[@kittymervine6115]

training is one thing the US military does well. Though having many civilians on board while doing first trials is common.

[@ccrider3435]

Official Russian report: "There was a Distinguishing Extinguishing Operation.

[@vincemartinez171]

A case of cover your ass.

[@housemana]

@@edbrown6985 Not at all like Chernobyl. You can't even spell correctly, much less grasp the complexities that went into what ultimately became the Chernobyl meltdown.

[@dilligaf1009]

My dad was a submariner. One Thanksgiving my grandmother asked how many men were on a submarine. I (being Navy as well) said "normally about 80 but when they return to port there are 40 couples". He didn't find it funny.

[@markgranger9150]

The correct answer to the questions of how many men/ missiles on a sub is, enough. A real subby don't talk about the boats stats or missions.

[@jonathanfischer5292]

it's not

[@timothy468]

​@Mark Granger 😂 bruh I get your sentiment but that's not classified information.

[@magicalfetus729]

@@markgranger9150 enough for everyone to get laid while you’re down there

[@13gan]

What happened in a sub, stay in the sub. Your dad probably prefers to forget about "that", lol.

[@oldguy7402]

As a cold war veteran, I really appreciate your detailed coverage, answering questions I've always had.

[@MrBonebus]

id still look more into the stories the make frequent mistakes, but the content is good.

[@Juanxlink]

"he" is not aswering questions. This is pure speculation and clickbait...

[@PBeringer]

"Cold War veteran" ... Haha! 😂

[@amadeusamwater]

Having that many civilians on board at one time seems like a very bad idea. You would think it would hamper normal operations. Subs aren't all that big on extra space.

[@1337penguinman]

It's normal even in the US Navy during Sea Trials. Civilians can be subject matter experts on systems that a submarine crew can't reasonably be expected to specialize in.

[@amadeusamwater]

@@1337penguinman Thanks, that explains things for me.

[@eventprogenitor1873]

​@@1337penguinman That's only part of the reason the other even bigger part is they are to make sure to build it right with proper materials as if their lives depend on it like those sailors do every day.

[@jeffreyyoung4104]

@@eventprogenitor1873 Trouble is, when the ship is sabotaged by inferior material and machinery, things can fail that should never fail. Besides, when they left, the ship was leaking seawater into the interior, and saltwater is about the worst thing for electronics.

[@이이-n4z8y]

It's SOP during sea trials

[@jfan4reva]

One thing that isn't mentioned about Freon/Halon fire suppression systems is that when they 'dump' suppressant expands as it leaves the nozzles, and cools rapidly, which causes the moisture in the air to condense, leaving anyone in the room in the middle of a thick fog. We were in the process of closing down a computer data center and the night before the fire suppressant system was to be removed, it dumped. Not without warning. Alarms went off, and the Halon system completely dumped,,,in the computer room where all of the forms were. Papers flew everywhere and the room filled with a thick fog, scarring the crap out of an operator. We had to send someone in to bring her out (her glasses were blown off by the blast of Halon, so she couldn't see). She refused to ever go back into the room, and quit the next day. And yes, people have died when trapped in a room filled with Halon.

[@danielescobar7618]

In the investigation after Kursk, they discovered that the crews sold all the brass parts from their escape suits because they had gone months without pay and didn't have money for food in port

[@mehmehmeh360]

lool

[@justacomment1657]

Is that true?

[@justbecauseOK]

bs

[@dennispickard7743]

@@justacomment1657nope !

[@krashd]

@@justacomment1657 No, but it is true that there was only one or two escape suits on the sub as captains would cannibalise other vessels in order to keep their own vessel seaworthy, and at some point before the accident a captain from another sub had taken the escape suits from Kursk to use on their own sub.

[@davidwelch2791]

When the narrator said that the FCS went off; I was thinking what was launched, a torpedo or a missile?! I did not think about a fire suppression system because our fire suppression system is us. Meaning, that I served on 3 boats (submarines). Also, this is my first time hearing about this tragic incident. I don't believe that bored submariner was solely responsible for this incident due to all of redundancies and safety protocols that are incorporated into submarines. Be safe and be 😎

[@mauricedavis2160]

Another excellent episode of a tragic submarine event, thank you Dark Seas!!!🙏😢⚓❣️

[@smokeonthewater5287]

What was one tragic is now seen as welcome reduction of orcs

[@shawnw6486]

When this video first started, I wasn't very interested because I thought it was about the Kursk, and i already know about that. Glad I continued to watch because I didn't hear it from media back then, nor ever heard about it. That's why I love this channel. Things that were never really given much attention by others throughout history get covered, and you hear some amazing yet tragic stories

[@thisisakoolname9927]

Thanks, without the red circle I couldn't have seen that massive torn part on the ship's hull in the thumbnail

[@xhappybunnyx]

Low key love it when video essays do this

[@thekingsilverado3266]

My experiences with both the Indian Navy and the Russian Navy is much like watching a mix of back to back episodes of the Sopranos and the 3 Stooges.

[@markgranger9150]

I haven't had dealings with the Indian navy, but have felt with the russians. There sailors are brave enough, thief ships are junk,crap, cheap, and look the part. The russian navy has no pride and losing is their tradition. The worst part is the leadership has no idea of the type of navy it wants or needs. The battle cruiser/ aircraft carrier is a prime example of Russia's inept and corrupt leadership. The super carrier,destroyers, subs are cool but they don't carry supplies and can't invade other countries. You can dominate the sea lanes and sink ships but that is only half of the Navy's role.

[@AllAmericanGuyExpert]

Mr. Ed and the Jetsons

[@kalebthehistorian5928]

Not if you're literally right next to anyone you may need to invade. Aside from the Russo-Japanese war, the Russian/Soviet navy actually has a pretty good track record. However, you would still be correct... in the 90s/early 2000s. I'm not mentioning Ukraine though, as Russia has had to deal with tech that any navy would have a hard time with. After all, you wouldn't call the British pathetic for losing a battleship to a bunch of Italians using a mini-submarine during WWII would you?

[@thekingsilverado3266]

@@kalebthehistorian5928 I remember a few of them far superior Rusky sailors aboard our boat after we fished em out of the water all em never once bit the hamburgers they just swallowed em whole. Far superior Navy sailors they R...

[@danielvandersall6756]

I don't have the incredible knowledge and experience of Pewtube, but I have dealt with Halon. Incredible stuff, and terrifying. It actually seeks out and is attracted to heat, and removes all the oxygen from the air very fast. Doesn't damage anything, so it's valuable for things you REALLY don't want to burn. In my case it was buildings over 150 years old; irreplaceable. Still, don't want to be in there when the Halon dumps... Not at all.

[@beeble2003]

"[Halon] actually seeks out and is attracted to heat" Sorry, but that's total nonsense and not even physically possible. "[Halon] removes all the oxygen from the air very fast" No, that's not how halon works at all. It doesn't touch the oxygen. It suppresses fire by interfering with the chemical chain reaction.

[@tacfoley4443]

russian tanks still use halon as a fire suppression medium. whoopee.

[@danielvandersall6756]

@@tacfoley4443 I assume you mean the 10 or so they have left? And the one T-14 they trot out for parades? -😆

[@v0w1x2]

May I just say that “fire control system” in a Naval sense is a system for directing torpedos, guns & missiles at targets.

[@skunky1-1]

Correct would be a fire suppression system, no? I'm an army vet so I have no idea.

[@chrisperrien7055]

Even people "in the know" use such terms interchangeably. Like the mag/clip thing ;)

[@dashingcatto]

@@chrisperrien7055 they dont

[@chrisperrien7055]

@@dashingcatto No worries , I was trolling. ;)

[@Hey_MikeZeroEcho22P]

As a USN Veteran on "target ships" (as my Dad was a "bubble-head" on subs), he would often tell me of Many stories of mishaps that happen on subs And on ships, involving fires!!

[@joshuavoss4354]

Nothing quite like a Christmas day dryer fire cause some dickhead couldn't empty his pockets.

[@MADGUNSMONSTER]

I have no idea how these Submariners do it. Lack of sunlight leads to physical and mental impairments. They are a special and different breed. Kudos.

[@LEARSIKCIGAM]

the only thing worse than sinking in a submarine and imploding is - not imploding.

[@yepiratesworkshop7997]

You know the last thing that went through a Russian's mind when their sub imploded? Their azzholes.

[@ScottKenny1978]

True. Imploding you're gone so fast your brain cannot process it. Not imploding? Fuck that shit.

[@throughthoroughthought8064]

Well, in this sub, I'd say "being at crush-depth while the nuclear engine explodes - canceling each other out.🥴"

[@justdoingitjim7095]

Boredom tends to get people into trouble. I was working to get a physician's new office completed and had hired some unskilled labor to help. When we stopped for lunch everyone just sat down on the carpet and ate. One of the laborers was sitting next to the receptionist's desk and saw a red button under the lap drawer. He pushed it, but nothing happened. We went back to work several minutes later and as I walked outside I was confronted by half a dozen cops with their guns drawn. My laborer had activated the silent "hold up alarm." After about 30 minutes of denying he pushed the button, the laborer finally confessed and the cops all went away. He was just bored.

[@Anita95_original]

There is only one kind of person who can stand the environment in a sub and that is by accepting death, you work until death - there is nothing else, there is no giving up, no victimhood or excuses. If that is the backbone of your personality, then you may be fit to be on a sub. I know a few, and they are quite different to ordinary people, even compared to pilots. My outmost respect.

[@luceatlux7087]

i wouldn't list suffocation or death itself as among my biggest fears. but, for some reason, claustrophobia would qualify... i was watching an extreme-cave-diving documentary and it might entail some of the same feelings as being in certain submarine situations... being trapped in an utterly physically suppressed state is beyond terror to me. i wonder why this is the case. there's just something about restraint of movement that freaks my inner animal out.

[@ClickClack_Bam]

I COULDN'T be on a submarine. Just knowing it's either 100% success or 100% failure doesn't sit well with me. I COULDN'T be in war in an airplane either for the same EXACT reasons. Yes you might emergency land but probably not. I don't have many fears but NOT being able to do those things myself gives me respect for those who have.

[@Schimml0rd]

@@ClickClack_Bam the alternative was getting blown to bits by artillery or starving

[@ClickClack_Bam]

@@Schimml0rd Yea but there's something about being under water or up in the sky where your fate is sealed in a pretty bad way if things go south. Maybe my perception of control is what it is. You might have even if been safer in a plane or sub in past wars I don't know the facts.

[@ScottKenny1978]

I've always said that the Navy runs many psychological tests on the potential submariners. And if you test positive for sanity, they don't let you on! 🤣

[@cryptoworldpeace2974]

Man I love how you have at least 3 channels that I’m subscribed to!

[@verdebusterAP]

Something going horribly wrong is average day in the Russian navy Other countries have incidents as well but Russia takes the cake

[@tyree9055]

The Russian military and government doesn't care how many losses they take, even if it costs them their position in global dominance. Soon they'll be nothing more than a Chinese whore for all of their "Little Emperors."

[@animula6908]

I think Russia’s capture everyone’s imaginations more because of the long-standing enmity and hatred of them. Journalists have always described them in more colorful terms and greater depth because we tend to fixate on the errors and downfalls of a rival while minimizing our own. Not even necessarily in an intentional way, but just that we see our enemies’ as effects their wickedness causes and we see our own as misfortunes that happen in spite of our goodness. But I am as fascinated as you by Russia’s.

[@verdebusterAP]

@@animula6908 It very much justified there are 9 nuclear subs listed as sunk in the ocean 2 belong to the US, the rest are Russian What does that say about Russian standards and quality Accidents with the USN are rarely fatal and minor equipment damage Accidents with the Russian are almost always fatal with major loss of equipment and personnel

[@jtjames79]

​​@@animula6908 Nah Russia's navy has always been hilariously bad. All the way back to the Imperial Russian Baltic fleet, who attacked a bunch of fishing vessels on the wrong side of the world (several times), mistaking enemy vessels for fishing boats when they finally got to theater, causing them to get ambushed. If it wasn't historical fact it would be hard to believe it even happened. And these days we got the Moskva being sunk by a bunch of scrappy rebels, and the Kuznetsov's primary form of propulsion is tug boat. It hasn't gotten much better. 😂

[@dpelpal]

Russian military _anything_ is the worlds' joke now lol. A huge country and they are being beaten by tiny Ukraine....they're corruption not proving useful during a war I don't think. All the armament monies go to building mansions for the oligarchs

[@nobody687]

Sounds like they chose a scapegoat. It's obvious that it was a malfunction in the fire suppression system. No submariner is going to randomly start pressing buttons out of boredom. They are a top notch sailors and know the dangers of such irresponsible actions.

[@ColoradoStreaming]

That reminds me when the USS Iowa main gun turret exploded and the Navy blamed it on one of the gun crewmen who died and said he was gay and suicidal over a jilted lover. The family pressed for an independent investigation and they found the powder was over-rammed and ignited. It was also found that the Navy was experimenting with different powder and rounds and created a dangerous combination.

[@nobody687]

@ColoradoStreaming I remember that. They said he put a piece of tin foil between the powder bags. Suicidal people dont blow themselves and others up. I knew it was bs.

[@thefreedomguyuk]

Absolutely. Look up the court rulings in Harduvel Vs General Dynamics.

[@myfavoritemartian1]

That is a beautiful and deadly looking submarine!

[@georgebarnes8163]

Deadly for anyone unlucky enough to be on the pile of junk.

[@justforever96]

Okay, so the "weak metal bought from China" and "substandard building quality" didn't actually have any relevance to the story, you just added that in there to imply it did i assume? As for the fire suppression system, requiring multiple levels of command to initiate seems to totally go against the idea that it is a new, _totally autonomous_ system. And if he didn't _manually initiate_ the system, but instead _altered the temperature readings that automatic deployment was triggered by_ , it would not necessarily require the higher up confirmation. You might live in a building where you can't change the temperature setting at which the alarm goes off, but you _can_ spoof the system by putting a heat source near the thermostat. Or if you are an "experienced crewmember" (but not experienced enough to not screw with it) you might know just enough to know how to go in and change the thermostat reading without realizing it could trigger the new FSS. Maybe he was hot inside the boat with all the extra people and wanted the HVAC to run cooler, so he thought he would just raise the temp reading to make the AC kick in more? The death toll was higher than ususl because it was a new crew, most of whom would not be familiar with the new system, and a high percentage of Russian sub crewmembers tend to be first voyagers, there is little reason to think they or any of the civilian technicians would have been trained and drilled in the emergency procedures like a normal crew would be. You need to practice these things in realistic circumstances.

[@Luredreier]

I remember Kursk, it was close to our waters here in Norway. But I'm shocked that I've never heard about this...

[@senianns9522]

Fire detection system maybe a better term to use? Fire Control is normally associated with weaponry on board. Good report though, interesting-- too claustrophobic for me!!

[@chrisperrien7055]

Even people "in the know" use many terms interchangeably. Like the mag/clip thing ;)

[@voidstrider4106]

@@chrisperrien7055 no one "in the know" does that. Only fudds

[@chrisperrien7055]

@@voidstrider4106 LOL . I long pre-date the word "fudd" . I carried 3 clips for my 45 in the Army . And our 3 magazines were Playboy, Penthouse, and Hustler. 😎👌

[@voidstrider4106]

@@chrisperrien7055 lol guess they don't teach army as well. Everyone has to start somewhere

[@chrisperrien7055]

@@voidstrider4106 Whatever about your lack of capitalization for the "army". What are you? a "seal" ? I was a tanker in the US Army, during the Cold War. We won that war. Which war did you win? Just accept we put clips in our 45's, while wearing 😎- Ray-Ban "safety glasses", on the range in the 1980's. "In the know ":" type BS" ;) Clips/Magazine semantics? This argument did not exist before the internet, except as a joke. Do you have any "Guns and Ammo" magazines from the 1980's ? I have a clip from a 25Raven. LOL

[@NyctaOfficial]

who's watching this when a submarine tragedy turned into one of the biggest jokes ever?

[@itsnotthesamething]

Yup. I suppose clicking on an explanation of how the Titan failed has brought all these sub stories into my feed. But it's interesting to learn of other events that I may not have known about, or only heard news snippets of, previously.

[@simplyamazing880]

Back in the day we called them knob turners and they were the most dangerous things on a submarine. I knew of at least one guy who said, what does this do, as the toggled a switch. It turned out to be very unpleasant as a fire ball rolled out of the electrical cubical through maneuvering and into the after torpedo room. It was follow very closely by the knob turner as he was slapped through the door into the torpedo room by the chief electrician on the sticks. That said, we'll never know the truth about what happened on that boat that day. These were Russians who can never tell the truth unless they make a mistake.

[@robertheinkel6225]

I met a few of those in the Air Force also.

[@ednarsquimby8093]

In my regular, non-military life, I've been involved with working with knob turners and button pushers. I hate these idiots with a passion. So many near misses and damaged machines.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

If someone at his age has not figured out yet not to touch things he does not understand, a beating is entirely justified.

[@therealbadbob2201]

Worked with a neon light tech. He was in the attic of a house working on the inderect neon lighting system. He tapped off the light switch and hung a big sign on it stating "do not turn on". A realtor walked in, showing the house. He saw tha tag and tape, ripped it off and turned on the lights. My friend was hit by 1.5k volts. He fell through the ceiling, got up and beat the heck out of that realtor.

[@wheels-n-tires1846]

In ET school, they taught us troubleshooting to compoment level. But, they said that, more often then not, the faults youd be called to fix would be operator error. This included having to assist, at 0300, in turning the "oh-enn, oh-eff-eff" switch to the "oh-enn" position...😂

[@yuanti2]

Aged like wine 🍷

[@afvet5075]

Can you imagine having to serve on a Russian Sub knowing the disasters that have taken place?

[@markgranger9150]

Wouldn't do it

[@angelanothanks6]

I might try to set the Russian Captain on fire in his bunk without getting caught.

[@phildavenport4150]

@@dispatch-indirect9206 Just like in Ukraine.

[@thefreedomguyuk]

Same could be said of our own Forces.....

[@dmitryletov8138]

The same as serving in US space programs, after Challenger and Columbia with 14 highly trained crew members dead...

[@kevinthomas5364]

In the US, we refer to that system as a fire suppression system. A Fire Control system controls weapons. I suppose with that many people in a space made to accommodate a much smaller number left several without access to breathing masks and local onboard breathing connections. In US warships, these breathing connections have an almost unlimited supply of breathable air although they are tethered to the immediate location (with also SCBAs available with limited air) so movement is somewhat limited.

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

When i read the title, i already knew that it must have been something that happened in Russia.

[@austinduvall2422]

I'm sorry can you spell the name of that newspaper at 2:31 you mentioned?

[@WellsLarry]

Fire Control systems are weapon systems on Navy ships, not fire containment systems.

[@uggiebear1]

Professional Navys tend to have specific terminology to make things run smoothly and effectively. Weapons prefer specific terms like. "ENGAGE" Just in case whilst transiting the straight of Hormuz with local go fasts pushing boundaries a fire piped over the main broadcast doesn't create ww3 😊

[@mattkaustickomments]

When the group in charge of building the submarines is called “Rust Bomb”, you know you’re in trouble.

[@desmond-hawkins]

Sometimes I go check out the Wikipedia article about the topic discussed in videos of this channel or the related "Dark _" channels, and I'm always amazed at how much of the article made it almost verbatim into the video. For example at 5:36 in the video: "it would quickly displace oxygen, chemically interfering with combustion. […] In high concentrations, R-114B2 can cause narcosis, eventually creating mental confusion and lethargy. But in extreme cases, it causes asphyxiation." Compare to Wikipedia: "The gas displaces oxygen and chemically interferes with combustion. […] In high concentrations, it can cause narcosis, which progresses by stages into excitation, mental confusion, lethargy, and ultimately asphyxiation". Yeah… most of the script for this video is just a slightly reworded copy of the Wikipedia page for the K-152 Nerpa accident.

[@winstonsmiths2449]

This is common to many YT channels.

[@ardeladimwit]

plagiarism as a youtube form... true of stealing articles out of leading news media as well.

[@RobinTheBot]

This channel is essentially just a robot reading Reddit posts but for people who think they know military stuff. It's like buzzfeed for milnerds. Most channels in this genre are not like this.

[@MrGuano11]

Imagine making a living off reading out Wikipedia articles

[@ardeladimwit]

@@MrGuano11 difficult because I have to always go beyond and learn more, so after a few minutes of bad melodrama, I go off to read better documentation that might be available, especially accident reports. Some channels are just so much melodramatic dreck, that I can't be bothered with them. The music is crap, the narrator tries to sound like 1930s FBI files or drama queen from fox news...and plagiarize, plagiarize plagiarize.. So much better to go read or find better things to watch or hear.. There's jus too many much more interesting and intelligent things than deal with dreck. 'Side one can always find a hockey game or tennis match to listen to and get some work done. Even listening to numbers stations sometimes is more interesting.

[@DaveInBridport]

I spent two years serving on HMS Maahgaar, a class 3 sub. Lovely machine.

[@sunny-sq6ci]

the fact fires are common enough on Russian subs lend me to think they're not really well built/ design.

[@dpelpal]

Shocker! It's russia lol

[@lancerevell5979]

After the USS Thresher disaster, the US Navy instituted the "SubSafe" program. USS Scorpion is thought to have been sunk by a Soviet sub. We haven't lost a sub since those two.

[@CYBERVISIONSdotCom]

@@lancerevell5979 SCORPION was NOT sunk by a Soviet Weapon; all of us really get sick of hearing that Skimmer BS “Conspiracy Theory”. Every boat ever built by the U.S. Navy has its own Binder at the Submarine Force Library at BESS in Groton (Oh, that’s right - you FAILED TRAINING) The 2 largest with about 6 Binders each are Thresher & Scorpion, which both have copies of all of the wreck survey photos. There’s absolutely ZERO EVIDENCE of any External Explosion on Scorpion’s Hull anywhere., nor does ANY of the recorded Acoustic LOFAR Data indicating any Weapons shot and run, Weapon dropped from an aircraft, or even any indication of a Weapon detonation large and powerful enough to sink her. Scorpion was like the Bonefish, which was in our Squadron when it had its accident; it was literally an accident just.waiting to happen. Many of the Crew were afraid to even go to Sea on her for any length of time, as was evidenced by letters to family members mentioning its poor state of maintenance. There’s also the long-standing unwillingness of BuOrd to acknowledge the problems with the MK 37 Torpedo Batteries, as well as the procedure for doing electrical checks with the weapon in the Torpedo Room. Most people outside of the Submarine Community don’t know that that particular procedure was in fact rewritten so that all Weapon Electrical Checks are now performed with the Weapon inside the Torpedo Tube after the Scorpion’s loss. Since that Pro e change, we’ve not had another such accident or loss.

[@CYBERVISIONSdotCom]

@sunny Apparently you’re also “Not Aware” of how common fires are on U.S. Submarines and those of our Allies also. They happen far more often than you’d think. Submarines are simply NOT “safe places”. I remember in early 1983, we were on a classified 6 week mission in the Atlantic doing sneaky things that we of course “never did”🙄😉 One Drill my first CO loved to do. was in Maneuvering (where the Reactor & other Propulsion & Power Systems are both monitored and controlled) which involved seeing how quickly the Nukes could react in a situation where Power Regulation was removed. Usually they were really good at recovering, but that one time they didn’t. We were lucky in Sonar, but pretty much everything that was powered from the Starboard Power Bus up to Sonar was fried. Radio was reduced to using Pigeons and Mail Buoy Dolphins for communication with SUBLANT (that didn’t go. over too well). But as a result due to High Voltage stress on many systems connected to that Bus, we had no less than 7 fires in the weeks afterwards.

[@ScottKenny1978]

I was on Ohio class subs. We drilled aggressively to put out fires. Best record was the fully suited out hose team on the fire in 4 minutes 30 seconds. From the guys off watch that needed to put on the full fire suits. The first responders were usually there before the general alarm stopped ringing. 20 seconds or so.

[@bluehead_info]

As a software developer I can tell that 90% of software failures are caused by bored operator who plays with options.

[@justforever96]

A regular Akula has very high specs so i don't see it being somewhat lower spec as causing a problem as long as they take it into account then operating the sub. Some US subs were built the same way. And i am always skeptical about any "reports" that come out after an incident happened. To many people with to many reasons to make crap up.

[@seriouscat2231]

What about reports that come out before the incident? Those are more believable?

[@PeterBezemer]

How one of the biggest submarine powers ever turned into a joke.

[@Huffy-dl6mi]

I'm sorry for this channel in advance for the amount of comments you are probably about to receive.

[@weblure]

At first, I thought the title said "How a Submarine Tragedy Turned into One of the Biggest Jokes Ever"

[@dlb3512]

Anyone who served in any Navy knows that anything can go wrong at any time and that is why we are trained to combat such incidents. Those that do not pay attention to the possibilities will probably fall victim to the casualty.

[@garethanddylanjohn3213]

Love your channels

[@GN77340]

Geez and I thought my jokes killed

[@kirkmorrison6131]

I can't believe they used Chinese steel

[@stevewallace1117]

USA used Chinese steel in their subs. The buyer was arrested and now serving time in prison.

[@mattiemathis9549]

I had a buddy that managed the computer stuff for a big company. He told me that there was a room of computer banks and if he was in there and a fire was detected he’d be dead because of the fire suppression system.

[@seangriffin7803]

Fun fact, that a lot of military equipment including bases where lots of computer hardware are housed will have this form of fire extinguishing system. The reason is that in the military the computers are worth more than the meat robots using them and sprinklers would wreck the computer hardware. If its military and you see lots of computer hardware..... look for sprinklers in the ceiling.... If you don't see any sprinklers then be aware your in a halon defended room. It will extinguish fires just as it extinguishes you, so run for your life if it goes off.

[@ddegn]

I worked at the central chemical stockroom while at university. A couple of the chemical storage rooms had halon extinguishers. It was a bit unnerving to working in these rooms.

[@chrisperrien7055]

After X amount of times, you might look at such events differently and understand them. And not be scared or panic, and access exactly what is going on, how much time you have, and while doing so, what damage it might do to your "stuff" How how much time will be lost , in cleaning up, and resetting the system /etc. . Always understand any fire suppression you may be around. So you can react to it , in a real fire or just the system going off by some other event. Be able to do so, with your eyes closed/in the dark ;). Know your exit path! . Might save your butt.

[@gasmaskchicken3910]

does anyone know where i can find the background footage of the inside of the submarine and the Ip-5m rebreathers?

[@sarsfield70]

India really needs to re-think its dependence on Russian military equipment.

[@dpelpal]

They already cancelled nearly all their orders for tanks and jets.

[@Insert-Retarded-Reply-Here]

@@dpelpal not true. India is planning to purchase T-90MS tanks from Russia, which is one of the best tanks in the world mind you. And while orders may have reduced, they are still producing their licensed version of Russian equipment indigenously.

[@HubertofLiege]

@@Insert-Retarded-Reply-Here Ukraine excluded, of course

[@Insert-Retarded-Reply-Here]

@@HubertofLiege what do you mean “ukraine excluded”? It’s the best tank fighting in ukraine at the moment, every other T-series tank is completely trash compared to the T-90M. The M1A2s were considered to be on par with the T-90M (with the Sep V3 perhaps being superior due to its active protection system), but the only Abrams being sent to ukraine right now is the trashy export versions without depleted uranium armor/penetrators or laser warning receivers and is markedly inferior to the T-90M because of that. And don’t even get me started on the challenger 2, it doesn’t even have the dorchester armor package that is crucial to making the tank not obselete, which means that the lower plate of the challenger 2 is only 60mm RHA (worse than some WW2 tanks). And it’s FCS are just as bad as the majority of Russian T-72s and T-80s since it still uses first generation thermals and doesn’t have an independent thermal viewer for the commander. So no, ukraine included. India is not the slightest bit concerned about the performance of Russian military equipment, they know it’s more than enough to wipe the floor with obselete Pakistani forces and mediocre Chinese armor. It’s more of the availability of these tanks and Russia’s limited industrial capacity to fulfill potential orders for these vehicles.

[@gaoxiaen1]

@@Insert-Retarded-Reply-Here The BRICS think that they're going to benefit from cooperation, when they're actually helping the world economy by isolating themselves.

[@NPC-fl3gq]

Being a western submariner must be nerve-wracking... being a Russian submariner must be terrifying. Respect to all who do it!!

[@geoffaries]

Dark Seas has a reputation for using misleading titles, known as click bait. Which is sad as some of his videos are quite interesting.

[@tirepunk7367]

how did the narrator say "sole" at 8:55......lmao

[@ExUSSailor]

Russian submarines are far more dangerous to their own crews than they are to any enemy.

[@kjamison5951]

Russian politicians in power are more dangerous to their citizens than to any enemy and Russian generals are more dangerous to their subordinates than to any enemy. They have Joe Stalin to thank for that.

[@zerocontent6168]

I think we will see if that is really true and very soon with the Americas clown leadership

[@LeonAust]

@@zerocontent6168 Oh and everyone's on Vlads side .................not

[@dpelpal]

Russia is now the world's biggest joke lol. Their aircraft carrier is broken down and caught fire last week....in _port._ 🤣

[@terrancenorris9992]

@@zerocontent6168 Yer seeing Russian ineptitude and incompetence now! Big country, massive armament, thousands of troops and all they have is piss poor. You mention clowns, the clowns are in the Kremlin and far back of the front lines with the head clown who started his catastrophic mistake on 24Feb2022...Well, they Russian army seems to have ONE battle cry that works: "RUN AWAY!!".😁

[@advancetotabletop5328]

That man has been on the phone a long time. :D Thanks for the video!

[@jbrobertson6052]

As a civilian employee on a Canadian Defence Research ship when out at sea under the guise of Ocean research we often had Russian subs near us, and what we saw sometimes were not happy Russian Sub Mariners they were so close on the surface we would try to talk to them but the language barrier made it difficult. You have to understand that our crew of 40 plus about 1/2 of us were bikers, yup you heard me Harley living the hardcore lifestyle bikers lol and I have a few good stories but I can't tell most of them but one time we were near a place called Ocean Station Poppa and we were so close to a Russian sub and we were off watch and drinking beers Kokanee to be exact and partaking in one other of natures nice surprizes that we actually threw a few beers over to the Russian sailers lol it was kinda wierd to be drinking with your supposed enemy a few feet apart and we were unarmed and they had AKs pointed at us we even had the Russian sailors laughing their asses off. I might get in trouble for this but I don't give a shit I'm almost 70 and still living the lifestyle and we are all trying to figure out how to get rid of our Cowardly POS so-called leader Justanass Trudope

[@MyVisualRomance]

Yep the damn Chinese will screw you on cheap materials every single time. You can bank on it.

[@dpelpal]

Basically at this point, "russian military" _anything_ is a joke lol

[@trj1442]

The computers look like something from 1970's.

[@moss8448]

so where's the joke part?

[@leschatssuperstars1741]

"we did a bit too much trolling, comrad"

[@SuperMacGuy]

What was the joke? From the poster image.

[@KevinBreak]

I was just wondering the same, I got up to the refrigerator and wondered if I missed that joke in the meanwhile

[@jonathanzimmer8143]

The clickbait thumbnail was really unnecessary... Your channels all rock, tricks change that sentiment considerably. Thanks, the fans...

[@SilentRacer911]

My guess is he wanted to test the safety system and it went very wrong OR he got into an argument with a civilian and wanted the last laugh

[@chrisperrien7055]

More like a bored sailor , stuck/seated at specific duty station for hours doing nothing, "fiddlin" with whatever controls are in front of him. It doesn't matter though what country/what era or if it is a sailor/soldier/ computer tech/ little kid/chemist in lab/caveman/ whatever- "Idle hands are the Devil's Mischief"

[@janicesouthworth1131]

Blaming a person rather than the piece of junk they had for a submarine.

[@alrxandersmiths242]

I love how Russia constantly feeds weapons to chinas border countries lol

[@Electronzap]

You'd think they'd let sailors play video games so that they don't do dumb stuff out of boredom.

[@warrenmulcahy1930]

I didn’t see it mentioned in the video, but the reference to the first pancake is a Russian joke, “the first pancake is lumpy”, meaning the first one is trash (when you make Russian pancakes the first is always inedible)

[@wasserdagger]

Yes, good catch... an oft-used saying in Russian: «первый блин комом» = the first pancake is lumpy. The meaning is that when you attempt to do something, your first stab at it might be a flop (just like that first pancake that turns out lumpy), but don't worry, don't give up, keep trying. Your next efforts should yield better results.

[@brionfranks478]

What is the torpedo shape object on the dorsal surface just stern of amidship ? Some sort of sonar apparatus?

[@jgedutis]

The background music is too loud 😭

[@thefreedomguyuk]

As a former safety officer, I'm not buying this explanation that a bored soldier was playing with the control system, sparking the disaster. This is textbook pinning of responsibility onto a scapegoat, rather than to offend suppliers by looking for the mechanical fault. Let's never forget Cpt. Harduvel !

[@privateperson5054]

What was the joke ?

[@JoesCaribbeanVanLife]

You watching the video

[@privateperson5054]

@@JoesCaribbeanVanLife What was the joke ? Rhino in the shower ? Strippers at the wedding ?

[@woodrowsmith3400]

One of the greatest voices, along with the best script and editing in the entire genre on KZbin. Educational, entertaining and easily watchable. This is why I so enjoy all of the "Dark" content. Thumbs up every time!

[@johnnunn8688]

What about the constant use of the wrong video clips and photos that don’t match the narration? Even on here you have a picture of the Kursk on the title screen and I’m pretty sure there’s some clips of early USN sailors.

[@rogerfroud300]

Are you kidding? That has to be one of the most annoying voices on KZbin.

[@thefreedomguyuk]

​@@rogerfroud300Annoying ? As in a foreign speaker who has a better English than yourself ? 😅

[@beeble2003]

@@thefreedomguyuk The English is good but nothing special. I noticed in this video that he says "extenuating" (worthy of forgiveness) when he means "extensive" (lasting a long time). The script is very inaccurate about how halon systems work. The background music is annoying, like somebody yelling at you that the events are dramatic, the whole time. I won't comment on his voice, as that's entirely subjective and not really something he can change, anyway.

[@ElectroNeutrino]

@@beeble2003 My biggest issue with it is that everything is done in a melodramatic fashion.

[@dontuno]

Fascinating stuff and given more recent events, you'll never catch me willingly going into a submarine!

[@TheVeganarchism]

It’s all fun and games until someone loses a sub.

[@Wolvieonepunch]

Lol😂😂

[@barto4678]

And people's lives are lost

[@hullygully1135]

A colleague and I had a very lucky escape on a converted driller turned into an oil rig the "Emerald Producer" We were working in the pontoons some 180 feet below water level and we were climbing back up on the ladders and were met with a rescue team coming down, the fire system was always inhibited when anyone was working down in the pontoons so the halon systems would not fire, unfortunately, an instrument tech was working on it and caused the system to fire luckily we had just left before the door was hydraulically closed and the pontoon sealed, the tech was sacked because of this but after this event BA sets were placed for emergencies and the door made so it could be hydraulically opened from inside the pontoon which should have been in the first place.

[@theelectricgamer9889]

Please do a video about Laffey (Benson class destroyer DD-459)

[@mooglemy3813]

Go to KZbin and enter Uss laffey. Some vids on her plus kamikaze damage etc. BTW she is an Allen M Sumner class DD 724.

[@theelectricgamer9889]

@@mooglemy3813 That was the second Laffey, the first Laffey was a Benson class destroyer and shot at a Japanese Battleship at point blank range.

[@chilled99]

Imagine fish floated by in planes shooting missiles at each other. Fish must think submarines are weird

[@cvz8849]

I thought the Akula class was titanium hulled? After the 10 year wait they lost the skills to weld titanium

[@dpelpal]

Or the money for the "titanium" went to build mansions for the russian oligarchs lol

[@yepiratesworkshop7997]

@@dpelpal That's probably the real story.

[@byronthenomad]

Think that is the Alfa class fast attack.

[@cvz8849]

@@byronthenomad Hello Byron, you are correct sit, my mistake, the Akula is steel

[@genius1a]

I think most commentators know more about that, but as far as I heard, the advantage of Halon is, that it makes oxydising (very fast=>burning) chemically impossible at a rather low concentration - and therefore there enough oxygen shuld be left for people inside if done right. That was told to be the reason, why it was used in computer rooms in the 60ties and 70ties. I hadn't heard about the accidant, so thank you for the video, but all in all from my knowledge point the description why people died does not add up. It would rather fit to (modern) CO2 fire extinquish systems, that have to have far more concentration to actually stop fires, and that gets oxygen levels down to a level where people die. Just my 50 cents.