How Air Conditioning Caused TWA Flight 800 to Explode

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Smithsonian Channel Aviation Nation

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Investigators suspect the cause of the July 17, 1996 crash of TWA Flight 800 was an exploding fuel tank. But to find out why the fuel became hot enough to ignite, they'll need to re-create the exact flight conditions.
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@jbeaurivage3030
@jbeaurivage3030 4 жыл бұрын
I like how he talking to us as we’re part of investigation
@or3356
@or3356 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah really helps to make you feel like you're part of the investigation.
@sphansel3257
@sphansel3257 4 жыл бұрын
123 likes jal 123 has left the chat
@user-eb1gh9ny4p
@user-eb1gh9ny4p 4 жыл бұрын
Yikes.. that was one of the most terrifying plane crash that ever existed.
@NyanyiC
@NyanyiC 4 жыл бұрын
Its a good format. They should use it more often 😁
@larrysmith8167
@larrysmith8167 4 жыл бұрын
It was a missile that brought it down! BIG government coverup!
@SehnsuchtYT
@SehnsuchtYT 4 жыл бұрын
>let's do a test flight to see if these conditions made the plane explode >test flight explodes
@chaiyapatngernanek510
@chaiyapatngernanek510 4 жыл бұрын
There was no fuel in the sensored tank
@littledaviso
@littledaviso 4 жыл бұрын
*surprised Pikachu face*
@mysterious6856
@mysterious6856 4 жыл бұрын
*and then they don’t have any proof because the plane exploded*
@brandonstouffer
@brandonstouffer 4 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for that like when he went to put the phone on the holder just BOOM💥
@trespassingorilla5827
@trespassingorilla5827 4 жыл бұрын
>lets test the circumstances that led to the test flights' crash that went to test another flight crash.
@kingpin6989
@kingpin6989 6 жыл бұрын
Jesus, that test they did was super dangerous.
@jakewaldman6243
@jakewaldman6243 6 жыл бұрын
TheGr8stManEvr was thinking the same thing lol
@harrypenrose2949
@harrypenrose2949 5 жыл бұрын
TheGr8stManEvr There was no fuel in the sensored tank.
@robshef718
@robshef718 5 жыл бұрын
please explain more of your thoughts. thanks.
@bsanaee
@bsanaee 5 жыл бұрын
Was it though? How many 747's had, to that point, operated in hot weather with the air conditioning packs working full blast, and how many had exploded?
@robshef718
@robshef718 5 жыл бұрын
I can never understand what everyone means by..."the AC units running or working full blast".... Is that suppose to make it sound 'scarier' ?? The Air pack operates at one level. 'On.' there is no 'full blast'. lol... and Hot weather is moot, as well. unless the weather was at full blast! lol....
@WyvernApalis
@WyvernApalis 5 жыл бұрын
"I think this is how they crashed, lemme do the exact thing real quick to check" Bruh what about simulation hangers
@GothR6S
@GothR6S 5 жыл бұрын
Comrade Stalin no fuel in the selective tanks.
@chrisclark5204
@chrisclark5204 4 жыл бұрын
Don't think they could simulate the altitude. Ambient temp drops the higher the altitude.
@noahtek1101
@noahtek1101 4 жыл бұрын
It was a missile strike that destroyed the plane because this test did NOT destroy the plane they tested it on.
@alleyallen5537
@alleyallen5537 4 жыл бұрын
Comrade Stalin right. I was like... so you’re gonna recreate the same thing that blew them up with you in it??? That’s dedication.
@georgemejia1123
@georgemejia1123 4 жыл бұрын
A short circuit in the wiring made its way into the fuel tank
@rtheytwins
@rtheytwins 4 жыл бұрын
Me: **Looks at my air conditioner** **Softly** "Don't"
@sippydog90gaming38
@sippydog90gaming38 3 жыл бұрын
5 seconds later: FBI OPEN UP!!
@firebomb115
@firebomb115 3 жыл бұрын
Air conditioner: alright sorry
@spaghetti9067
@spaghetti9067 4 жыл бұрын
“According to Boeing” Oh here we go again
@robshef718
@robshef718 4 жыл бұрын
Boeing actually provided data contrary to the NTSB demands for 'a tank issue'.. we sued the NTSB in court and proved NTSB fraud.
@MikeJBeebe
@MikeJBeebe 4 жыл бұрын
@@robshef718 Ok then, what made plane go BOOM? (any mention of a missile will be laughed at)
@djlawlz4041
@djlawlz4041 4 жыл бұрын
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@helenpeat3294
@helenpeat3294 4 жыл бұрын
@@djlawlz4041 NO and stop begging
@krognak
@krognak 4 жыл бұрын
@@djlawlz4041 Your content is boring and self-centred. This isn't TikTok or Instagram, make interesting videos if you want subscribers, not vlogs of your boring life.
@GavinLi-ie7tl
@GavinLi-ie7tl 5 жыл бұрын
You know it’s good when you are watching this using inflight Wi-Fi on an airplane
@chaiyapatngernanek510
@chaiyapatngernanek510 4 жыл бұрын
Then it explodes lol
@pollypockets508
@pollypockets508 4 жыл бұрын
How was your flight?
@brandoncaldwell95
@brandoncaldwell95 4 жыл бұрын
Meh, im too cheao for the wifi and prefer my security. Ill just use cell signal. Also have fun dialing 911 at 6 miles about the tower and going 300mph
@annetteslife
@annetteslife 4 жыл бұрын
Actually there was no wifi as the accident happened in 1996
@chaiyapatngernanek510
@chaiyapatngernanek510 4 жыл бұрын
@@annetteslife Gavin Li1117 meant that like Right now he/she was watching this on an airplane in 2019 with wifi of the plane
@e-berry
@e-berry 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine having the same accident in the test. And then another NTSB group try to find why the test crashed, and they do the same test again. And it crashes again. We then have a massive extinction of NTSB Agents.
@Harmeetsingh-ol5dr
@Harmeetsingh-ol5dr 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@Highflight1000
@Highflight1000 3 жыл бұрын
They could not duplicate in the UK The NTSB with a static B747-100
@desireluminsa5261
@desireluminsa5261 2 жыл бұрын
With their mass extinction.. new jobs would be created
@JustRollin
@JustRollin Жыл бұрын
​@@Highflight1000because UK did not have C!A
@fredinator8164
@fredinator8164 6 жыл бұрын
Gotta love the KLM 737s at JFK Airport
@Alex-ve3it
@Alex-ve3it 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah lol. Might as well just add some Qantas 737s and some other 737s
@robshef718
@robshef718 5 жыл бұрын
You do know what an INTERNATIONAL airport is????
@robshef718
@robshef718 5 жыл бұрын
'I' never said that a '737 could fly from the Netherlands to America'. Where, did you get 'that' from? lol.
@Alex-ve3it
@Alex-ve3it 5 жыл бұрын
Rob Shef well then what were you implying
@robshef718
@robshef718 5 жыл бұрын
No, what are You implying? lol.... FYI: your assumption was based on (as you said) and after you insulted my intelligence....when 'You' said, "737's can't fly from the Netherlands to America'... Actually they can, but then You would not know this, which is what makes my job fun. So, seeing a KLM 737 at JFK is not some 'mystery'. :)
@CaptainYokkiller
@CaptainYokkiller 3 жыл бұрын
"Jet fuel isn't flammable in its liquid form" my life is a lie
@dancingcarapace
@dancingcarapace 2 жыл бұрын
However on another plane crash, it helps disprove the crackpots. The way Kerosene *does* burn is in explosive flash fires.. Which explains the explosions New Yorkers heard on 9/11. That and the fact that the planes (which are aluminium) were melting (due to the floors above collapsing on the burning planes, creating an impromptu furnace), and melted aluminium explodes *violently* when it comes into contact with water.. which would have come form the pipes the planes absolutely broke.
@georgemallory797
@georgemallory797 2 жыл бұрын
Jet fuel has to be atomized before it becomes flammable. You can throw a lit match into a bucket of jet fuel and it will put the match out. I'm a pilot. I've seen it firsthand in a demonstration performed by our local airport's Crash, Fire, and Rescue.
@KBS117
@KBS117 2 жыл бұрын
@@georgemallory797 diesel is the same way..
@roquefortfiles
@roquefortfiles Жыл бұрын
It is not the liquid that burns. It is the vapour.
@ThatGingerGuy51
@ThatGingerGuy51 4 жыл бұрын
Nobody: Not a single soul: NTSB: *we need to prove fuel is flammable*
@robshef718
@robshef718 4 жыл бұрын
JET FUEL is not a Flammable, but a Combustible Liquid. signed: former US NAVY Aviation Boatswain. :)
@astromoe7321
@astromoe7321 4 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking this whole thing is a lie. I done 100 different storys from ppl who wasn't there. Yet ppl who actually saw it say the same thing🤔 who in the fuck do you think I'm going to believe now 😭 it was shit down
@GiordanDiodato
@GiordanDiodato 4 жыл бұрын
@@robshef718 you obviously don't know anything about chemistry.
@robshef718
@robshef718 4 жыл бұрын
lol.... So, please. *Do tell us* everything _you_ know about Aviation kerosene and _your_ professional experience with it!
@bennybouken
@bennybouken 4 жыл бұрын
@@GiordanDiodato its not flammable, but its combustible. If if gets mixed with air, BOOM.
@Luchingador
@Luchingador 4 жыл бұрын
"This is off the charts" *Digital readings with no chart lines* : Pikachu face
@RedfootAllAmericanAnthro
@RedfootAllAmericanAnthro 4 жыл бұрын
Gonna assume sarcasm but please tell me if it wasn't?
@tomato-v8x
@tomato-v8x 3 жыл бұрын
@@RedfootAllAmericanAnthro it's called a joke
@RedfootAllAmericanAnthro
@RedfootAllAmericanAnthro 3 жыл бұрын
@@tomato-v8x lol thank you I had assumed it was but that day I dealt with two people for most of the day who refused to joke so i was a bit uncertain on assuming at thay point in time
@tomato-v8x
@tomato-v8x 3 жыл бұрын
@@RedfootAllAmericanAnthro no worries lol, some people in the youtube comment section can be quite a hassle sometimes 😂
@robertquick6690
@robertquick6690 6 жыл бұрын
Years ago the military required their planes to have the space as the fuel level dropped to be filled w/ non- flammable nitrogen.. Commercial airliners were also mandated to have this system after flight 800.. Whether or not it was a missile it did improve airliner safety.
@KBS117
@KBS117 2 жыл бұрын
Actually all boeing aircraft built after 1969 have this nitrogen feature for filling the tanks. It's actually a filter that filters out the larger oxygen molecules of air filling the tank. That info comes from a buddy of mine who has worked on those planes for almost 50 years in Dallas Texas. So, no explosion was possible.
@robertquick6690
@robertquick6690 2 жыл бұрын
@@KBS117 Then why did they change to the military version of explosive gases management? Because the filters system wasn't as good as hoped, that's why. This from the head of AirCanada's maintenance dept. @ an EAA 486 guest speaker event, about 7 years ago... I was president of the chapter at the time.
@KBS117
@KBS117 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertquick6690 I agree, but the point is this, no spark is possible in that tank, and if it is, the wasn't any fuel in it. The previous pilot states he had pumped the tank completely dry, into the wing tanks.. then we have the heat issue on the ac systems. They cannot heat the fuel that hot as they have a 140 degree max operating temp before they shut down, and the pilot has to reset the ac system to function after it cools down. Then we have ignition. For jet fuel to blow up takes the perfect ratio of air fuel mixture in the tank. Too much oxygen and it just burns, not enough, you get no ignition. We know this plane had nitrogen filters on the tanka, so maybe some oxygen did get past the filter, but it could never be enough for ignition. You add all that up, and I say it was 1 chance in a million. I used to build bombs out of 2 liter plastic jugs and used acetylene and oxygen for the explosion. I made hundreds of these as a teen ager and even built a canon.. I can tell you, it takes a perfect mixture to get an explosion.. and acetylene is way more volatile than jet fuel. And I tried using gasoline and oxygen and I never got that combo to explode. I burnt some jugs trying, but I never blew one up.. just saying, blowing that tank is next to impossible.
@Giratina575
@Giratina575 2 жыл бұрын
This makes me think of the SR-71
@KBS117
@KBS117 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, that model plane was modified in 1969 to have those nitrogen filters on the tanks. So, this plane had nitrogen in those empty tanks.
@maxvidal6126
@maxvidal6126 5 жыл бұрын
3:12 “holy crow”
@tomservo5007
@tomservo5007 5 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard that phrase since the early 80s.
@khonwang6263
@khonwang6263 4 жыл бұрын
@@tomservo5007 Bruhhhhhhh I heard like 1 year ago
@keyboardwarrior327
@keyboardwarrior327 4 жыл бұрын
I think my grandpa must have been on the investigation team.
@tatianabrovina578
@tatianabrovina578 4 жыл бұрын
@@khonwang6263 its funny cause you said like
@djlawlz4041
@djlawlz4041 4 жыл бұрын
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@aujax1
@aujax1 2 жыл бұрын
not a SINGLE commercial airliner before or since this event has ever spontaneously exploded mid-air. planes had been sitting on far hotter tarmacs with their AC units running in places like egypt and dubai and didnt explode. i highly doubt this happened due to a fuel tank explosion.
@robshef718
@robshef718 2 жыл бұрын
Look up: ' Ray Lahr/ motion/PDF ' Then look up ' Ray Lahrs FOIA lawsuit against the NTSB ' Pass it along.
@Local_Boydidgood
@Local_Boydidgood 22 күн бұрын
Yes, this fake investigation is garbage. The plans was hit with misses that failed to abort. Navy boats launched them.
@johannesbols57
@johannesbols57 4 жыл бұрын
After American Airlines 191 crashed all DC-10s were grounded. Why weren't all 747s grounded after TWA 800, if the accident was due to a fuel tank issue. It's so transparent, my dead and blind relatives can see it.
@trueknowledgeispower
@trueknowledgeispower 4 жыл бұрын
....because no other missiles hit any other 747 planes.
@julosx
@julosx 4 жыл бұрын
@@trueknowledgeispower Because no missile hit any 747 whatsoever.
@julosx
@julosx 4 жыл бұрын
The 747 involved was to be scrapped the following year. This is how the 747-100s finished (I think the last one was broken up in 2000). The other 747s were more recent and not known to present this electrical problem. Also, airline industry fell upon the solution in 1997 : since then carriers fill the nearly empty tanks with nitrogen, replacing oxygen, so no blaze or explosion can occur. Nitrogen is also used to inflate tires for the same reason.
@Personalza23MD11
@Personalza23MD11 3 жыл бұрын
I think they should implement more of the "investigator taking to the camera a.k.a the viewers". It makes the viewers feel like their engage with the investigators, almost like we're also the investigator. I really like it.
@KBS117
@KBS117 2 жыл бұрын
What great acting!! Hey idiots absorb this propaganda!!!! So what? You still need oxygen and a spark.
@ChaklitTea
@ChaklitTea 2 жыл бұрын
cringe
@steventan2754
@steventan2754 Жыл бұрын
It's like Red Alert games all over again
@Vicky87_o.O_
@Vicky87_o.O_ Жыл бұрын
​@@ChaklitTea shut up 🤣
@vladivosdog
@vladivosdog Ай бұрын
@@ChaklitTea no u
@dodgeman4360
@dodgeman4360 4 жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder, did he say "Well, this is interesting. We are right" or did he say when he realized the danger say "Land the plane! Land it! For the love of God land this plane!! Mommy! Mommy! Land the plane!!Aaiiueeree!!!!"
@leo7001
@leo7001 3 жыл бұрын
To many witnesses observed it being shot down
@robshef718
@robshef718 3 жыл бұрын
and its ON RADAR!!!
@erichaynes7502
@erichaynes7502 4 жыл бұрын
NTSB Investigator 1: "Holy smokes, I think I discovered an extremely dangerous flaw in this aircraft's design!" NTSB Investigator 2: "Really? that's fascinating! Are you thinking what I'm thinking?" NTSB Investiagor 1: Flashes evil smile - "You mean, let's get another airline, duplicate the exact conditions with all us NTSB Investigators onboard?" NTSB Investigator 2: "YES! YES! YES!" Both NTSB Investigators leap out of their seats, grab hands and skip merrily down the hallways, the other NTSB staff violently tilt their heads back laughing hysterically.
@juarysilva559
@juarysilva559 4 жыл бұрын
Boi you put too much effort on that comment
@fredricgreenblott4169
@fredricgreenblott4169 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a pretty normal day at the NTSB to me.
@misery_fell
@misery_fell 3 жыл бұрын
investiagor
@CyanOfficialYT
@CyanOfficialYT 2 жыл бұрын
Boi that's so many comment
@roquefortfiles
@roquefortfiles Жыл бұрын
Was there a point?
@1yougotrickrolled603
@1yougotrickrolled603 5 жыл бұрын
After watching all these videos I'm not sure if I want to get onto a plane
@samuelwhaley6658
@samuelwhaley6658 5 жыл бұрын
The problem has been solved. The aviation industry learns from it's mistakes.
@GianlucaBerger
@GianlucaBerger 5 жыл бұрын
You’re much safer flying now than in 1996 when this happened
@annetteslife
@annetteslife 4 жыл бұрын
You are more likely to die at the hands of another motorist than on a plane
@despiteblock1100
@despiteblock1100 4 жыл бұрын
YouGotRickRolled facts I’m not sure if I do wanna fly to ny I’m from my but I’m out of the city and I wanna fly back but I’m not sure if I wanna get back on a plane
@kstax9225
@kstax9225 4 жыл бұрын
There is a saying I learned in aviation. “Policies are written in blood” So shit has to happen unfortunately
@paul_k_7351
@paul_k_7351 3 жыл бұрын
This is all very interesting, but the cruise missile spotted by the 200 witnesses who called the FBI and the two photographs of it probably helped as a contributing factor 😂
@robshef718
@robshef718 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, so Now we have a Cruise missile in the theory?? next, what...an ICBM???
@Ultimaton100
@Ultimaton100 3 жыл бұрын
Except nobody saw a missile and there aren’t any photographs of it. 🤦‍♂️
@noahthesarcastictd
@noahthesarcastictd 3 жыл бұрын
So the plane was delayed for 2 hours and with the air conditionars right below the center fuel tank and the ac when up to 300 degress and that vapored the fuel making it very easy to catch fire and with the aging electrical system of the 747-131 bundles wires mixed with high voltage wires and low voltage wires some are so warm they can short circuit. High voltage went to where it shouldnt go. Seconds later it went to the fuel probe and then it blew up.
@noahthesarcastictd
@noahthesarcastictd 3 жыл бұрын
Also the fbi agreed with the ntsb later.
@robshef718
@robshef718 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ultimaton100 Accept thousands saw several of the missiles, and (ready for the bomb) The FAA Radar has a missile on radar (per court documents and statements from the FAA managers in court documents) and...The 'machinists' in their report, make it clear that an EXTERNAL event, impacting the left wing root, is what started the break-up of the plane. You are so welcome!
@Oceanbrave
@Oceanbrave 5 жыл бұрын
They took down the full episode. RIP
@Nonamelol.
@Nonamelol. 4 жыл бұрын
Why
@thesalandarian3314
@thesalandarian3314 4 жыл бұрын
Oceanbrave u have to buy it
@Marc816
@Marc816 2 жыл бұрын
"How Air Conditioning Caused TWA Flight 800 to Explode" - That is the biggest pile of bull______ I have ever heard!!!!!
@robshef718
@robshef718 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You..... Pass this along: twa800.com/news/nlj-9-18-06.htm twa800.com/lahr/motion.pdf twa800.com/lahr/affidavits/x-ray-lahr.pdf
@terenceburnett7529
@terenceburnett7529 4 жыл бұрын
They really need to quit, that plane was shot out of the sky..period
@Powerranger-le4up
@Powerranger-le4up 4 жыл бұрын
Visit where the accident aircraft is. There’s no way it was a missile. They even have the remains of the fuel tank that exploded.
@noahtek1101
@noahtek1101 3 жыл бұрын
@@Powerranger-le4up there was literally a Navy ship practicing weapon tests with SAMs in the vicinity and after the plane went down it bounced. There were hundreds of witnesses. This plane WAS shot down by a missile.
@jonahmoran3751
@jonahmoran3751 3 жыл бұрын
@@noahtek1101 um the Normandy ship wasn’t even in range your argument is invalid
@arnav9166
@arnav9166 3 жыл бұрын
640k views yet no comments? MAKES SENSE
@iluvsooubway8008
@iluvsooubway8008 2 жыл бұрын
Props to the people who were brave enough to go on the test flight though.
@robshef718
@robshef718 2 жыл бұрын
Why? The so called "flight test was fake science, and not based in anything factual.
@nebula6362
@nebula6362 2 жыл бұрын
@@robshef718 Aircraft Manufacturers save billions of dollars by calming some missile was responsible
@cchris874
@cchris874 2 жыл бұрын
@@robshef718 Hi again, in a previous thread I asked for evidence of your claim the fuel vapors couldn't explode. I cited a bunch of evidence. Still waiting for yours. :)
@noahthesarcastictd
@noahthesarcastictd 2 жыл бұрын
@@robshef718 OH MY GOSH YOUR EVEN HERE FROM THE ANIMATION, ITS LIKE YOUR A VIRUS.
@elta6241
@elta6241 Жыл бұрын
People have been brave enough to get on 747s for decades.
@cefb8923
@cefb8923 3 жыл бұрын
Look up the report. Something hit the L3 door and caused 19 small holes. Sure sounds seems like it was something on the outside. Whats explosive and causes small holes after it detonates? I can't think of one thing. I'm going to go watch Behind Enemy Lines now.
@gustusthread2256
@gustusthread2256 3 жыл бұрын
I believe it was debris from the high altitude holographic missile fired from bombs attached to the bottom of flight 11 in tandem with the planted explosives in tower 7. Not to mention to possibility of a 2nd gunman contributing to what was seen in frame 314
@mikejuba9228
@mikejuba9228 4 жыл бұрын
If this is all true, it begs the question; why wasn't the 747 fleet grounded?? Hmmmm.......
@Romans8-9
@Romans8-9 Жыл бұрын
They didnt ground them, because they could not find an ignition source in any of the other identical planes. They could only make recommendations to prevent the fuel from vaporizing.
@SlickBlackCadillac
@SlickBlackCadillac 3 ай бұрын
Yeah the whole thing smells of bs
@fonitronik
@fonitronik 6 жыл бұрын
Why would a documentary need acting? And why poor acting? I still prefer original or stock footage.
@daniel_pinilla
@daniel_pinilla 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I mean at least make it look realistic if you are going to act it out.
@chrism2004
@chrism2004 5 жыл бұрын
Right cause if a plane crashes in the middle of the ocean I’ll be waiting for it there to record it
@billygowhoop
@billygowhoop 5 жыл бұрын
It's more a tv show than a documentary. Besides, documentaries are not really the standard for truth in the media.
@FiberBunny
@FiberBunny 5 жыл бұрын
God guys, it's a cheap tv channel... Chill out
@easygoing2479
@easygoing2479 5 жыл бұрын
@@sonotswifty - But why did they "'have to' recreate those scenes" in the first place? Is everyone so hooked on info-tainment that they must watch produced re-creations to experience the drama of past events? I just finished reading the NTSB transcripts of the CVR recovered from Alaska Airlines flight 261 after it crashed into the Pacific - killing all 88 aboard - because of a seized mechanical jack screw designed to actuate the horizontal stabilizer. There is more tension and distress in the printed words of that transcript than any 're-creation' imaginable, regardless of how theatrical it may be.
@HTownFrog
@HTownFrog 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t believe everything you are being fed.
@robshef718
@robshef718 2 жыл бұрын
www.raylahr.com/Cert-Pet-4-21-10.pdf
@Syclone0044
@Syclone0044 5 жыл бұрын
0:25 "Let's start with the first one..... (dramatic pause) -- Flammability." DUN DUN DUNNNNN!
@robshef718
@robshef718 5 жыл бұрын
The guy in the video is an actor as well as an idiot. Jet Fuel or Aviation kerosene is NOT a Flammable, but a 'Combustible' liquid.....which in the 747 fuel tank never can become 'heated' to its flash point. The rest is JUNK SCIENCE....and the video is factually Incorrect. Dun dun dunnnnnnn.
@mymediapc9521
@mymediapc9521 4 жыл бұрын
@@robshef718 "Commercial jet fuel is a pale yellow liquid with a petroleum odor. It has an auto-ignition temperature of 410°F (210°C). Its explosive limits are from 0.6 to 4.7 percent by volume in air. Coupled with its flash point, this means that at 100°F there is enough vapor in the air to reach the lower explosive limit so that even if an ignition source is not present and the fuel reaches a temperature of 410°F (and this is considerably below all common ignition sources), an explosion will occur." Source: www.fireengineering.com/2002/10/01/244558/jet-fuel/
@nathanv8535
@nathanv8535 4 жыл бұрын
Next they should do one on jet fuel and steel beams
@Edward-ed2oi
@Edward-ed2oi 4 жыл бұрын
Or Zyklon B staining concrete
@hassangoli8080
@hassangoli8080 4 жыл бұрын
there is no steal beams in any airplane. plane beams are made or aluminum and titanium or both
@9999AWC
@9999AWC 4 жыл бұрын
@@hassangoli8080 It's a 9/11 conspiracy joke
@bokhans
@bokhans 4 жыл бұрын
nathan V 👍. WTC 7 = Flight 800 = BS = government coverups.
@TheHelghast1138
@TheHelghast1138 4 жыл бұрын
r/wooosh
@elta6241
@elta6241 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, but air conditioning did not cause this. They came up with a hypothesis that fitted enough of the facts and chose that as the cause. They did not sit on a hitherto unknown fatal problem with 747s for four years either.
@_ysai
@_ysai 5 жыл бұрын
Why am I binge watching these videos?
@mulsanne1
@mulsanne1 4 жыл бұрын
It's more binge worthy as hell's kitchen
@JoMiMi_h
@JoMiMi_h 4 жыл бұрын
@@mulsanne1 It's more binge worthy than MLP:FIM
@michaelho4014
@michaelho4014 3 жыл бұрын
You’re nostalgic for National Geographic’a Mayday/Air Crash Investigation series
@prabhanieliyanage6860
@prabhanieliyanage6860 3 жыл бұрын
Ur nort alone
@Sam.m6
@Sam.m6 3 жыл бұрын
Wow some people just tried to keep cool then *KABOOM* Really Sad....
@sillyone52062
@sillyone52062 5 жыл бұрын
Temperature drops 2 degrees for every 1k altitude. At 14k, A/C could be relaxed.
@intorsusvolo7834
@intorsusvolo7834 4 жыл бұрын
sillyone52062 they said most of the ac working time was several hours before take-off
@9999AWC
@9999AWC 4 жыл бұрын
That's assuming standard ICAO atmosphere is in place, which is basically never.
@cefb8923
@cefb8923 3 жыл бұрын
@@intorsusvolo7834 Yes every plane does that everywhere in the world since the dawn of time. If the aircraft is about to fly another leg it runs on its own ac, power etc for most of the turnaround.
@amirhassanmonajemi9573
@amirhassanmonajemi9573 Жыл бұрын
NY at 8pm isn't that hot. AC wasn't under stress. They simply lie.
@johnnyrenfield
@johnnyrenfield 3 жыл бұрын
How to make a cover up? Just create a daytime movie out of the incident then Hollywoodize the details 🤦🏻‍♂️ Scary how they get the Smithsonian to sign off and back it, now anyone who does the actual math is crazy.. 🤷🏻‍♂️
@AnthonyVassallo
@AnthonyVassallo 3 жыл бұрын
If this is true, then it really was a million-to-one shot that the heat actually accumulated to blow up the plane or ignite a spark or a short circuit. . . . I remain dubious.
@robshef718
@robshef718 2 жыл бұрын
It did not occur. IT Cant occur. PERIOD! There can NEVER be a catastrophic explosion from KEROSENE 'Vapors'...... 'Jet Fuel' is NOT a flammable.... but a 'combustible liquid', and has a very high flash point and low volatility. No spark can 'detonate VAPORS' like that. If that was the case, then every time you tried to start the jet engine, it would blow apart! Anyway, we took the NTSB to court over this and our experts impeached the NTSB report for Fraud! A judge Agreed. But the Fake news who gets $$$$$$$$ off, wont tell you about the lawsuit. They will all get to share stories about this in hell with the NTSB.
@thisperson2517
@thisperson2517 2 жыл бұрын
@@robshef718 No, it wouldn't blow up every time you start the engine, because there's no spark to ignite it unlike here in TWA's case.
@davebrunner1272
@davebrunner1272 2 жыл бұрын
@@thisperson2517 If you own a modern gasoline powered car you have an electric fuel pump with wires in your tank. I have seen the wires burn in two and no explosion. This is gasoline not kerosene. Do you worry about that?
@bluehorseshoe444
@bluehorseshoe444 6 жыл бұрын
"Something created a spark to ignite the fuel..." Yeah, like a surface to air missile
@robshef718
@robshef718 6 жыл бұрын
the plane was not downed by a SAM warhead (as the initiating event.) The missile theory would be moot given that the warhead (had that been the case) would trump the fuel, so the 'fuel exploding' is negligible.
@SonyOfficiaI
@SonyOfficiaI 5 жыл бұрын
bluehorseshoe444 lol
@Tanman829
@Tanman829 5 жыл бұрын
bluehorseshoe444 A damaged wire in the tank caused the spark.
@robshef718
@robshef718 5 жыл бұрын
and where did you come up with that crazy theory? Oh, that's right...the NTSB..... which stands for 'Not The Smartest Bunch!'....
@Tanman829
@Tanman829 5 жыл бұрын
Rob Shef They found proof by reconstructing the plane and doing tedious, lengthy, ming-boggingly critical examinations. And what have you dont to prove your "theory?" Think?
@ryankenyon5010
@ryankenyon5010 6 жыл бұрын
I haven't read any of them, but I'm guessing there are a lot of bat shit-crazy theories if I were to scroll down.
@robshef718
@robshef718 6 жыл бұрын
scroll up.....lol....
@pizza_parker9689
@pizza_parker9689 5 жыл бұрын
Rob Shef wot
@titusmccarthy
@titusmccarthy 5 жыл бұрын
@@robshef718 is THE fucking conspiracytard on this video.
@taptiotrevizo9415
@taptiotrevizo9415 5 жыл бұрын
@@robshef718 that because your the crazy theorist that thinks the plane just blown up from a missle that was from the navy with best source being humans a totally reliable source.
@robshef718
@robshef718 5 жыл бұрын
I never said that the plane was blown up by the navy? *Like ripping a band aid off* :)
@animo9050
@animo9050 5 жыл бұрын
Next up "could this chicken coming cause the AC too explode
@Random-yd9zr
@Random-yd9zr 4 жыл бұрын
These vids are so addicting
@islanders1329fan
@islanders1329fan Жыл бұрын
The center fuel wing tank got overheated and filled with flammable fuel vapors that bent the wiring and then all that was needed was a spark to set off that deadly tragic explosion which is indeed what happened on that night. The plane was not shot down by a missal
@cincat8207
@cincat8207 3 жыл бұрын
If you research the paranormal hypnotherapist Dr. Bruce Goldberg his book "Self Hypnosis" refers to a story of a woman who used hypnosis to see a premonition of a trip in which she planned booking a flight to be on TWA Flight 800. In the premonition she saw that the flight was doomed killing everyone including her. So she changed her travel plans and lived. I've always wonder if the creators of Final Destination aware and inspired by this story.
@DanL57
@DanL57 3 жыл бұрын
TWA flight 800 went down during a clear summer night off NYC's east coast. There were many people out and about that night; many of whom saw a streak of light go up into the sky and then an explosion. The US Navy was conducting exercises that night off the east coast.
@princeofd6612
@princeofd6612 3 жыл бұрын
If you haven’t seen it, check out the current article at American Thinker.
@robshef718
@robshef718 3 жыл бұрын
Please please.... The NAVY was 185 miles south but not firing missiles. That rumor interferes with other info that most 'need' to ignore. it kills the sensationalism though. It has made Videos and has sold books due to premature distribution, but who is going to write a book and make a video and then have to 'back track'???
@easternyellowjacket276
@easternyellowjacket276 3 жыл бұрын
You do realize that the plane was at 15,000 feet? That means the plane was more than 2.5 miles high. The plane was also several miles off the coast of Long Island. Light is faster than sound. At the time you heard the explosion, the plane had already blown up about 20 seconds beforehand. Looking up, the contrails would have been illuminated by the setting sun, seen the explosion which had happened about 20 seconds beforehand, the plane already split in half with the nose falling and the rest of the plane out of control going upward.
@easternyellowjacket276
@easternyellowjacket276 3 жыл бұрын
@@robshef718 The explosion of the mid fuel tank. After that went off, it weakened the front of the airframe, causing the nose to sheer off. The engines were throttled up, so as the plane lost significant weight it initially pitched upwards and climbed.
@jimbrown9817
@jimbrown9817 2 жыл бұрын
@@easternyellowjacket276 why do you assume that people had to be alerted by sound before seeing this happen? Back before cell (phones), BC, people actually observed their environment and had a modicum of situational awareness. Those days are in the past, but it’s an interesting historical note. Now of course sheeple only look down and follow the feet of the sheeple in front of them.
@CaptainAlFrancis
@CaptainAlFrancis Жыл бұрын
More coverup BS. Since the 747-100 had a positive fuel tank venting system, and the aircraft had been airborne for over 12 minutes at the time of the explosion, it is unlikely that ANY "explosive vapor" existed in TWA 800s Center Section Tank when the aircraft exploded. As a TWA 747 Captain, I flew the 747 for months after 800 went down. The “fix” was to carry a minimum of 10,000# in that tank as “unusable” fuel as I remember. We flew it from STL to HNL in the summer. There was NO restriction on using the a/c packs on the ground or in flight.
@robshef718
@robshef718 Жыл бұрын
Thank You. And what most peeps in here cant figure out... (and I was a US Navy Aircraft Handler and Fire Fighter and worked with aviation kerosene) is that Jet fuel IS NOT a flammable liquid but a COMBUSTIBLE liquid who's Flash point is very high and that the fuel is extremely stable and very low in volatility. Its properties just cannot allow for such a powerful and high energy explosion that would blow in half, the strongest plane ever built! it was a missile!
@ChaklitTea
@ChaklitTea Жыл бұрын
Since the claim is the ac units that heated up the fuel, then why it didnt explode on the ground where temperature is higher alongside oxygen rather than 15000ft with colder temp and less oxygen
@robshef718
@robshef718 Жыл бұрын
@@ChaklitTea Of course anyone who has half a brain knows that the plane did not 'just blow up' . And the 'AC' unit DOES NOT provide any appreciable heat into the tank, as it is designed not too! It was a missile.
@houdini6059
@houdini6059 4 жыл бұрын
Flight 800 was a land to air missile. We live on this island, we live here. The government couldn't keep us quiet and still can't. We know what we saw.
@TheHolyBlackKnight
@TheHolyBlackKnight 4 жыл бұрын
Dumbass
@emknight84
@emknight84 4 жыл бұрын
I love the eye witness Vietnam fighter pilot who also says the same thing.
@houdini6059
@houdini6059 4 жыл бұрын
@@emknight84 funny, I get it. But I never fought any wars so I don't have flashbacks 😅😅
@amirhassanmonajemi9573
@amirhassanmonajemi9573 Жыл бұрын
That's not true. Fuel is NOT flammable. Temperature in N Y at 8pm wasn't that high to put high pressure on the AC system. July, 8pm temp is 28c at NY. A missile hit that plane. Don't make some fools of us.
@robshef718
@robshef718 Жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ-vYmN5bKuGmKc then: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4qpd5Jnfbiaerc
@easy3088
@easy3088 3 жыл бұрын
What about all the witnesses that saw the missile? They had no reason to lie. What about all the positive tests for explosive nitrates? What about all the shotgun type holes in the plane?
@robshef718
@robshef718 3 жыл бұрын
All 'explained away"....You know how that goes.
@Ultimaton100
@Ultimaton100 3 жыл бұрын
It was proven and explained many times over that what the witnesses saw was an optical illusion, there weren’t any positive tests for explosive nitrates, and the holes in the wreckage were from bits of the interior that blew out like shrapnel in the initial explosion.
@easy3088
@easy3088 3 жыл бұрын
Over a dozen witnesses saw an optical illusion. Hahahaha!
@Ultimaton100
@Ultimaton100 3 жыл бұрын
@@easy3088 Yes, that’s literally how optical illusions work… anyone can see them… 🤷‍♂️
@easy3088
@easy3088 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ultimaton100 mass Histaria. Ok dude.
@olufemiagbato8519
@olufemiagbato8519 4 жыл бұрын
Hmmm, let's do the same thing to see if we will DIE! Madness. I would say; "....thanks for a good investigation, now we can secure the airline.... you are fired!"
@mac_attack_zach
@mac_attack_zach 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta respect those people who went up to do the test
@jimthompson8947
@jimthompson8947 Жыл бұрын
I respect more the NAVY sailors who did not detonate their missile before killing innocent people. I also commend the NAVY testing air-to-air ordinance right off shore of a major godamn airport. Negligence or on purpose. Either way, all sailors involved should be sent to GITMO. That would bring the high-ranking rats out of the shadows.
@agentorange5167
@agentorange5167 Жыл бұрын
You gotta do what you gotta do
@YourselfAndEye
@YourselfAndEye 5 жыл бұрын
"Air conditioning" aka missile
@Willaev
@Willaev 5 жыл бұрын
AKA air conditioning
@kirilmihaylov1934
@kirilmihaylov1934 4 жыл бұрын
@@Willaev aka missile....
@Willaev
@Willaev 4 жыл бұрын
@@kirilmihaylov1934 AKA air conditioning
@joeyknight8272
@joeyknight8272 4 жыл бұрын
?
@HiringHamblin
@HiringHamblin 4 жыл бұрын
An air conditioning unit would make an ineffective missile. While it has enough mass to cause serious damage at high speed an air conditioning unit couldn't really get airbourne. Why? Its not aerodynamic - big square sides mean high air resistance: requiring more fuel to accelerate and limiting manueverabiltiy Its heavy: requiring more fuel to accelerate it More fuel equal more weight: requiring more fuel, which adds weight Its not practical to launch from the surface: this would require far more fuel than an air launch It really has to be carried inside an aircraft: limiting the launch platforms for your air conditioning unit missile Conclusion: Air conditioning units make impractical missiles. Please clarify whether you wish to bulk order missiles or air conditioners from your local Boeing subsidiary
@KRD2001
@KRD2001 4 жыл бұрын
wish you guys knew the entire story of this accident, us navy was involved.
@robshef718
@robshef718 4 жыл бұрын
Keith. No. The *Navy* was not _involved_ in the slightest. There are plenty of 'statements' being made of such, however with Zero facts. There were No Navy vessels even in the adjacent area at the time of the event. The 747 was not shot down in a civilian departure corridor. The {IAMAW} "International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers" provided their brief for our court case. There was No *warhead* involved in the Initiating event: which was determined to be an external Impact / mid- air collision with an experimental AV that was transiting the airspace, and due to unfortunate miscalculations the AV impacted the 747. (that AV was the 'missile' of concern.) Still need to determine the origin of the AV, but most likely an Airforce/ Nasa event.
@KRD2001
@KRD2001 4 жыл бұрын
Rob Shef there were navy ships in the area and after the crash we’re leaving the area at 30 knots
@robshef718
@robshef718 4 жыл бұрын
That is absolutely false Keith, and you are of course only repeating what you have read on some erroneous web pages which were, and remain to be misleading. There were No Navy ships or subs 'in the area' at the time of the event. (nor firing warheads into a active departure corridor for civilian airliners) The Navy would not nor could not 'leave' the area...as many uninformed people try and claim that the navy _ran away_ (I am former Navy, and the navy would certainly not _run away_ in the manner as has been suggested.) It would be IMPOSSIBLE for the Navy to do so anyway, and no commanding officer nor crew would or could do so. The 'mystery boat' story is nonsense and misleading, as are the stories of an entire flotilla of naval vessels.
@KRD2001
@KRD2001 4 жыл бұрын
Rob Shef former navy I see
@trueknowledgeispower
@trueknowledgeispower 4 жыл бұрын
....the Navy was involved,...however, Shef The Shill will lie to you about that.
@lescobrando299
@lescobrando299 4 жыл бұрын
Why is it that no other 747 exploded during these conditions? Maybe they didn’t factor in the missile.
@bokhans
@bokhans 4 жыл бұрын
Capt America 👍
@farhanatashiga3721
@farhanatashiga3721 4 жыл бұрын
Because they're wiring were not as bad and thus no ignition. Simple.
@SpceDog-zd6bj
@SpceDog-zd6bj 4 жыл бұрын
The wiring caused a spark in the fuel tank
@RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts
@RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts 4 жыл бұрын
Next up: Jet Fuel Can Melt Steel Beams
@cam9269
@cam9269 4 жыл бұрын
pretty much how the wtc fell
@Tuocal01
@Tuocal01 2 жыл бұрын
They didn’t have to melt 🤡
@cruisertechgt
@cruisertechgt 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds insane to do a test like that .
@KBS117
@KBS117 2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, fuel reaches 200 degrees all the time in my semi truck and it never blows up. 127 is nothing... no oxygen in those tanks prevent explosions, and no wiring either... one of my high school buddies has been an A&P tech for the 747 for years, and he says anytime they enter a fuel tank on the 747, they have to wear oxygen packs, as those tanks are full of nitrogen.. no oxygen in them at all. I have 2 first cousins flying people 747's , and all of them laugh at the f.b.i's findings.. of course, most 747 and 757's are outdated and retired now..
@cruisertechgt
@cruisertechgt 2 жыл бұрын
@@KBS117 fuel quantity indication probes are there no?
@KBS117
@KBS117 2 жыл бұрын
@@cruisertechgt they have resistance meters to measure fuel levels. All wiring going into the fuel area are guarded by diodes. The diodes prevent electrical current from feeding into the fuel area, while allowing ground resistance metering from the probe to connect to the gauges. Then the 757 has 2 a/c units on that plane. Both will shut down when they get too hot.. the pilots will have to reset them once they cool down. The biggest problems is fuel jelling from getting too cold at high altitude.. heat is constantly applied to the fuel to keep it warm.. the fuel in my semi truck tanks reaches 180 degrees in the summer, as the fuel also cools the injectors and pump. 127 degrees on an oil based fuel does not scare me at all.. never seen a semi truck blow up..
@cruisertechgt
@cruisertechgt 2 жыл бұрын
@@KBS117 great explanation thank you!
@KBS117
@KBS117 2 жыл бұрын
Boing knew oxygen in the fuel tanks on these planes was a hazard. In 1969 they redesigned the center fuel tank on these planes, adding nitrogen generators to fill these tank with nitrogen as the fuel was sucked out. This eliminates any explosion hazard. This plane was built in 71, and it had the updated center fuel tank. The fbi is covering the navy shooting down this plane. The navy had fired 2 misses at drones that day, flight 800 had violated the navy's safe zone, and both missiles targeted the 747. I'm told the first missile targeted engine 3. The second one went into the center fuel tank and blew the nose off the plane. The facts are out there... my info comes from my best friend, who has been an a&p technician on the 747 and 757 for 35 years. He laughs at the fbi's report.
@billybobjohnadamjoe
@billybobjohnadamjoe 4 жыл бұрын
This was the only 4th wall break I’ve ever seen in a Smithsonian video, but very well done.
@raywest3834
@raywest3834 2 жыл бұрын
Many solid facts have to be ignored to make the exploding fuel tank scenario work, here's just one: The debris field: FAA radar data shows (at the moment the plane lost electrical power) debris shooting out of the plane at Mach 4 (about 6000 mph) moving from left to right, which is consistent with Nat. Guard helicopter pilot Fred Meyer's testimony of the missile hitting the plane from the left. The fuel tank explosion could not possibly explain this, as jet fuel cannot produce such a force.
@Owen_loves_Butters
@Owen_loves_Butters Жыл бұрын
Do you realize how much energy would be released from a sealed tank of jet fuel detonating?
@raywest3834
@raywest3834 Жыл бұрын
@@Owen_loves_Butters According to Tom Stalcup, who has a PhD in physics, jet fuel is considered a low pressure explosion, and could not possibly produce the force to shoot debris out at that speed. He has a lot of work on the TWA 800 crash, bringing science and hard evidence to the discussion..
@Owen_loves_Butters
@Owen_loves_Butters Жыл бұрын
@@raywest3834 The thing about explosions is that they can shoot stuff at much, much, MUCH higher speeds that you'd think was possible given the pressure. I also doubt the validity of the speed figure you gave, since there was no mention of that in the final report. And by the way, all the science and hard evidence has already been done by the NTSB, and I don't think you'll have very much success disagreeing with a government agency on anything scientific. You can try, but it'll just make you a conspiracy nut.
@thunderboltfireplane
@thunderboltfireplane 3 жыл бұрын
How is there 3 comments only
@cameronjournal
@cameronjournal 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it wasn't the AC
@robshef718
@robshef718 4 жыл бұрын
Thank You.....
@GiordanDiodato
@GiordanDiodato 4 жыл бұрын
nice tin foil hat.
@robshef718
@robshef718 4 жыл бұрын
it was not the 'air conditioner', if that is what is troubling you.
@jonahmoran3751
@jonahmoran3751 3 жыл бұрын
@@robshef718 it wasn’t the air conditioning it was the faulty wiring that was repaired with duct tape (really dumb) that allows high voltage current to jump to low voltage wiring which the low voltage wire went into the fuel tank and short circuited from the extra voltage.
@speedracer6294
@speedracer6294 6 жыл бұрын
The recreation with the corny acting really detracts from this.
@jonahmoran3751
@jonahmoran3751 3 жыл бұрын
seconds from disaster is better watch it
@TheDeanHaemel
@TheDeanHaemel 4 жыл бұрын
There is absolutely zero evidence any anti aircraft missile impacted this airplane. We have evidence of that occurring in Ukraine and most recently in Iran where visible fragmentation impacts and holes riddled crash debris from the airframes. None of those impacts or holes indicative of a missile were evident in the flight 800 reconstruction.
@thirstydemon
@thirstydemon 3 жыл бұрын
finally a person with a brain
@CameraMystique
@CameraMystique 7 ай бұрын
I sent an email to the FBI back then, though as a non-American I didn't know what else to do or whom to contact with information. I was a passenger on the previous flight, seat 14A (or 12A - my memory still puzzles me on that). My seat was the only one that had a leak from the overhead A/C system while we were waiting 2 hours for takeoff. A greenish liquid that messed up my shirt and the flight attendant said they could replace my shirt, though I never asked. The leak stopped when we took off. When I heard about the accident I also heard that the airplane split in around the area of my seat.
@tringuyen3483
@tringuyen3483 7 ай бұрын
Wow that’s sounds real
@Bartonovich52
@Bartonovich52 4 жыл бұрын
Uh... Boeing has put its air conditioning packs underneath the centre tank for years. Every model it’s made with the exception of the 787 which uses a different system is like that. The air for the air conditioning pack is at 350F whether it’s being used to heat or cool the plane. That’s because it’s bleed air from the engines. The pack actually cools the air... first through a heat exchanger.. and then through an air cycle machine in parallel with another heat exchanger. The resulting air is so cold it has to be heated up with raw bleed air even in cooling mode. What’s interesting is that they didn’t think of the hydraulic fluid cooling system. It uses fuel to cool the fluid... and uses the very hot hydraulic fluid to keep the fuel from freezing at high altitudes. It’s inside the tank... not next to it insulated by insulation and several layers of metal in a compartment that is vented to atmosphere.
@robshef718
@robshef718 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, the AC/ Air pack system has been successfully used as it was designed, for years...Until the fear tactics from the corrupt NTSB created a head ache. Thanks for be the only other person in here in many years who actually understand the Air Pack system. I could not have said it better. But in all cases, the AC/ Air packs had no part in the crash, and cannot have had any part in the accident.
@bearpaw72
@bearpaw72 3 жыл бұрын
The air conditioning packs story seems plausible because Philippine Airlines Flight 143 exploded in 1990 for the same probable reasons.
@malaysiaa.h6534
@malaysiaa.h6534 5 жыл бұрын
Just like final destination when the plane exploded in the air🤧but this is sad
@hamad-pz3rp
@hamad-pz3rp 5 жыл бұрын
Malaysia’s World final destination is inspired by this sad crash
@somerandomguy4812
@somerandomguy4812 5 жыл бұрын
That’s cause Vólee Air Flight 180 from Final Destination was confirmed to be based off of TWA Flight 800.
@YourselfAndEye
@YourselfAndEye 5 жыл бұрын
The real TWA flight 800 also had highschool kids on board taking a class trip to Paris
@pollypockets508
@pollypockets508 4 жыл бұрын
I think this crash inspired Final Destination. But I'm not 100% sure.
@julosx
@julosx 4 жыл бұрын
@@pollypockets508 It did, but the least we can see is the movie was pretty far from what actually happened during TWA 800.
@harrisonofcolorado8886
@harrisonofcolorado8886 5 жыл бұрын
I saw the actual Mayday episode and when they did the test I thought,"oh my goodness don't blow up!"
@747heavyboeing3
@747heavyboeing3 3 жыл бұрын
Theory is wrong. Only a moron, non pilot would believe this.
@albertozerain5321
@albertozerain5321 5 жыл бұрын
Smithsonian, that paragon of objectivity.
@robshef718
@robshef718 5 жыл бұрын
you are being a wise guy....right?
@jimthompson8947
@jimthompson8947 Жыл бұрын
Hmm so the air conditioning was vibrating and the NAVY testing it's new "vibration tracking missile" brought it down. Shocking.
@tasha3757
@tasha3757 4 жыл бұрын
Watching these videos is making me realise and is also genuinely convincing me that practically every single thing inside an aircraft can make it crash (not good news!). From an autopilot system with a mind of its own, to a freaking airconditioner?!
@tasha3757
@tasha3757 4 жыл бұрын
@Robi Shefran do you even know which flight I was referring to? Because it definitely did not involve 2 airliners...... You need to stop jumping to conclusions and making assumptions on people's comments before gathering the full information on these things.
@julosx
@julosx 4 жыл бұрын
@@tasha3757 Still, two airliners fell victims of these flaws, but with 6 years between each other.
@AnthonyVassallo
@AnthonyVassallo 3 жыл бұрын
Or a stereo system inside the walls.
@KBS117
@KBS117 2 жыл бұрын
Those a/c units have a high temp cutoff of 120 degrees, and the flight engineer has to reset the ac unit once it cools down. No way it heated the empty tank hot enough for ignition. I have a friend who has been an A and P mechanic on those planes for 40 years. I have 2 cousins who have flown those jets millions of miles. They all laugh at the fbi story. Since 1969 all those planes were retrofitted with filters that scrub the oxygen molecules from the incoming air into those fuel tanks. There was no oxygen in that tank!!!! No explosion possible!!!! Plus the crew before them had pumped the center tank completely dry, no fuel in that tank for an explosion. Spark? From bad wiring? Are you frigging kidding me? Every circuit on that plane has a breaker, and the wires in that tank is diode protected.. 3 strikes and you are out.
@KBS117
@KBS117 2 жыл бұрын
@@julosx in that 6 years the FAA installed oxygen scrubbing filters on the fuel tanks of every jet in the world. Oxygen cannot get into those tanks. No explosion is possible, now.. the first one yes, it did happen
@guerreroleo87
@guerreroleo87 5 жыл бұрын
They're dumb instead of using ac just open a window
@Chanpaiix
@Chanpaiix 4 жыл бұрын
...
@GiordanDiodato
@GiordanDiodato 4 жыл бұрын
I hope that's a joke
@kamikaziwastaken
@kamikaziwastaken 4 жыл бұрын
This kid...
@lilmarrz
@lilmarrz 4 жыл бұрын
It's a joke right or are you serious
@habyss
@habyss 4 жыл бұрын
Or open the moon roof
@thebasketballhistorian3291
@thebasketballhistorian3291 6 жыл бұрын
2:32 death wish
@Coney_Robot64
@Coney_Robot64 6 ай бұрын
You think?
@Komyeta
@Komyeta 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't the Missile hit TWA?
@brianjones808
@brianjones808 2 жыл бұрын
Nice bit of propaganda. Even old 747's don't have fuel tank explosions. Much too well designed for that.
@robshef718
@robshef718 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly Brian. But we have peeps in here who know nothing about AC...... yet THEY, have ALL the answers. The entire architecture of the system was extremely sane, not to mention that Kerosene is the Least likely fuel to detonate! I am former Navy Aircraft handler so I know. Never had a plane "Blow up" on the Flight deck for a fuel reason...because it was hot out!
@brianjones808
@brianjones808 2 жыл бұрын
@@robshef718 They've been indoctrinated well.
@jeffvoreis2868
@jeffvoreis2868 4 жыл бұрын
Do we really need dramatic reenactment of investigators looking at binders and clipboards?
@JCTG1
@JCTG1 4 жыл бұрын
Yes...
@tlindsey9769
@tlindsey9769 4 жыл бұрын
At 14,000 ft., the outside temp was just too high and cold to vaporize the fuel oil. The outside temp MUST be taken as a factor and NOT ignored.
@mach6893
@mach6893 4 жыл бұрын
They also ignored the air content inside the fuel tank. Fuel needs a certain amount of oxygen to explode.
@jonahmoran3751
@jonahmoran3751 3 жыл бұрын
@@mach6893 you forgot that it takes hot air from the engines and cools it down
@mach6893
@mach6893 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonahmoran3751 True, and that's how the fuel vapors reached ignition temperature.
@noahtek1101
@noahtek1101 2 жыл бұрын
It wasn’t a fuel tank problem. 😂 It was a missile strike.
@roquefortfiles
@roquefortfiles Жыл бұрын
Actually it makes the ignition point lower.
@daledupont3772
@daledupont3772 3 жыл бұрын
They lie to you about everything, said A retired airforce person.
@berkd557
@berkd557 5 жыл бұрын
If y’all think 87 degrees is hot come down to Arizona, 114 today
@HP-pg5vg
@HP-pg5vg 5 жыл бұрын
You know, I'm starting to think that pumping literal garbage into our atmosphere isn't doing us much good...
@pakked6165
@pakked6165 2 жыл бұрын
air conditioning didnt make it explode, it was a shorted wire that travled through the fuel tanks, it ignited the jet fuel gases
@ImperialDiecast
@ImperialDiecast 2 жыл бұрын
the air con got the fuel warmed up enough to ignite.
@steampunk888
@steampunk888 5 жыл бұрын
It takes more than a spark to ignite fuel. It takes oxygen. The tank interior is designed, of course, to exclude oxygen, and carries a positive vapor pressure. Or no engineer would run a wire through it.
@robshef718
@robshef718 5 жыл бұрын
Yep...and besides that, the center tank by design, never, or can never reach its Flash point.... and this by reason of many Architectural and Physics reasons. In the most cases, due to the tanks venting, the tank is well into the lean arena, and it is difficult to ignite Aviation Kerosene anyway. It is a Combustible liquid, Not a Flammable liquid. The NTSB was cited in Federal court for fraud, and Junk Science.
@Jman2245
@Jman2245 5 жыл бұрын
Rob Shef we got an expert here👏🏻
@criticalmaster9526
@criticalmaster9526 5 жыл бұрын
And why should I take the word of KZbin commenters over the word of the NTSB (which is a government agency).
@adriangoodman8901
@adriangoodman8901 5 жыл бұрын
@@criticalmaster9526 definitely don't do that. You should absolutely believe everything the government tells you without question, as they are right 100% therefore individual thought and expression are unneccesarry. Also beep boop beep robot
@criticalmaster9526
@criticalmaster9526 5 жыл бұрын
@@adriangoodman8901 So, you're claiming I'm just a "bot account" just because I don't agree with your conspiracy theory?! You know what?! I'm done talking to brainwashed people like you! Don't expect to hear any more replies from me!
@mikebaker6418
@mikebaker6418 4 жыл бұрын
That is one dedicated investigator.
@mkoury83
@mkoury83 Жыл бұрын
The depiction of events in this video are inconsistent with two separate sources of radar that independently tracked the flight path of TWA800. The ISP Primaries and HPN Primaries radar captured nearly identical flight paths. Neither of which include an uncontrolled pitch up and acceleration of the aircraft. That is pure fiction, and verifiably incorrect and misleading. This theory put forward by the FBI and NTSB was laughed out of town by the aviation community and only gained traction when the NTSB released it's cartoon attempting to explain this maneuver. If an aircraft pitches up upon a catastrophic depressurization and 100% gain in drag coefficient by the inverse loss of aerodynamic performance the NTSB wouldn't have to use a cartoon to recreate the event. The explosion that occured as witnessed by hundreds of eye witnesses corroborated with physical evidence are very clear that the explosion could NOT have been generated by a low velocity event, as would be the case of the fuel tank (traveling at the same speed as the aircraft) v. a high velocity explosion, as can be readily observed with in any missile strike. Radar recordings are points of fact, not generated by a government organization. The same government organizations that broke protocol at every turn to commandeer this "investigation". So, my instinct is to put my faith in the actual radar findings - which corroborates the climb narrative as a manufactured product of the NTSB and FBI that do not match the recorded radar movement of the B747-100. The aircraft exploded prior to the main/center fuel tank being breached as has been proven by the traces of nitrates found on the OUTSIDE of that fuel tank that when pieced back together show the splatter of these nitrates all fitting perfectly together like a jigsaw puzzle. This exterior explosion is the only possible way that fuel tank could be exposed to a spark of any kind, as there was no wiring or wiring harnesses installed in the B747-100 that carried the voltage necessary to generate anywhere near the energy that would produce a spark. The only battery on the aircraft that had the voltage to produce such wattage for that kind of energy transference is the outboard engine starting battery that is nowhere near the center fuel tank nor are any components of the wirinG This explosion was precipitated by either one or two land to air missiles fired from the US Navy destroyers conducting test runs/drills of air invasions. The country was in a heightened state of security as a result of the 1996 Centennial Olympic Games in Atlanta which were set to be opened by the President were just two days after this. The Navy fired live ammunition when their intention was to just drill the procedure. The testimony of over 800 eye witnesses - all of which were incidentally had their affidavits conveniently omitted from the final investigation report - yes not even one of 800 were included. This was because the level of sophistication among some of the witnesses and the wholesale consistency reported by all 800 witnesses describing the exact same thing from every conceivable vantage point, including from a helicopter, sea vessels and casual Long Island observers ALL depict a sequence of events that in no way bears any resemblance to the official findings/report/cartoon submitted to the American public and World at large. Another fascinating ommission from the official findings can be read here: observer.com/1999/07/radar-shows-getaway-boat-fleeing-flight-800-crash/ This was a scandal of the highest order and frankly Clinton knew he wouldn't get reelected had the truth come out of this massacre on innocent civilians in what happened to be the summer of an election year. So the fail safe we have watched the Clintons do before and since this tragedy... they lied. and the lie was force fed to the public while those who know the truth from their 800 individual sets of eyes were marginalized, labeled conspirators and silenced. All to preserve a reelection bid such that he could go on to bang interns in the oval office. I will finish with this: for anyone that thinks this is all conspiratorial and that I am a tin foil hat milliner, please then provide an answer to the following simple question: Why is there no actual footage of this event anywhere? Seems odd that such a major event that, at the time, was covered by all major news networks has no video footprint of any kind available to view? Instead we are forced to watch cartoons and animated depictions of events. Please, someone, explain to my why this is acceptable. For anyone interested in the truth of TWA flight 800 there is eye witness information and documentaries available online, though many have been censored especially on YT, which in and of itself is an endorsement of truth.
@Slacker_eepy
@Slacker_eepy 4 ай бұрын
The animation is inaccurate, I agree. But the sudden pitch up was caused by the loss of the front side of the aircraft after explosion. N93119 would experience regular electrical surges in the engine no.4 and that surge could jump lines eventually leading to the fuel probe in the center tank causing the spark. Given the fuels temp, any spark could ignite it. As for the eyewitnesses, when you see what looks like a shoot down, and news speculation mentions a possible shoot down, then your brain will change your memory of the events. When the explosion happened, since sound is slower than light, you would have looked up to see the plane already In the descent phase after explosion and stall-out. Then what you would have seen was the left wing break off the plane from excessive force, making you think that was the plane being hit and the clouds going up and down were from a missile.
@Slacker_eepy
@Slacker_eepy 4 ай бұрын
Also the plane never accelerated. It climbed due to inertia. The engines were dead as soon as the explosion occurred.
@Slacker_eepy
@Slacker_eepy 4 ай бұрын
Being banned is an endorsement to truth to you? Alright, so if I say you are a murderer who killed 5 people, and I spread that information around, and you keep me from doing that, you are only proving your guilt then? Or are you just trying to tell the truth?
@mkoury83
@mkoury83 4 ай бұрын
@@Slacker_eepy It is critical to determine, and so far I have not been able to , the moment at which the outboard engines separated along with the wingtips after the initial breakup yet before the stall.
@mkoury83
@mkoury83 4 ай бұрын
@@Slacker_eepy you have to consider the source of the information. When the source is an agency of the topic of investigation and has shown itself to be politically motivated by throttling dissenting facts or opinions to the "official story" which is the case on KZbin/Google. then yes, being banned or shadow banned is a good barometer to your proximity to truth.
@Normal1855
@Normal1855 3 жыл бұрын
It wasn't the air conditioning. It was bare high voltage lines, touching a low voltage fuel probe line, inside the fuel tank.
@robshef718
@robshef718 3 жыл бұрын
Nope. You cant 'detonate' Jet fuel. It's impossible. Jet fuel is not a flammable, but a combustible liquid. Jet fuel lacks the chemical energy to be a High energy material. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4qpd5Jnfbiaerc
@user-hc9yt5gd6r
@user-hc9yt5gd6r 4 жыл бұрын
Not sure about kerosene but the combustion chamber of a diesel engine exceeds 400 degrees for the fuel to ignite.
@indreshk3641
@indreshk3641 6 жыл бұрын
But I have a doubt As you go higher in altitude,the temperature should start to drop outside the aircraft and should initially cool the tanks How did it reach 127F???
@QuietStormX
@QuietStormX 6 жыл бұрын
This was internal under the center fuel tank... Getting Hot...
@QuietStormX
@QuietStormX 6 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the Video? They Show and explain what & how by the A/C unit in the center of the Plain where the fuselage and wings meet is where the center fuel tank and A/C unit heated up to over 200 degrees or more past the flash point of the fuel. Not a missile as one's think.. Heat!
@QuietStormX
@QuietStormX 6 жыл бұрын
What Missile????
@QuietStormX
@QuietStormX 6 жыл бұрын
Some Guy, come on it was over 45K feet high.. Look at the Video and learn...
@SECONDQUEST
@SECONDQUEST 6 жыл бұрын
@@quasicode6954 "fuel doesn't explode like this" But it does.
@MrStuDubb
@MrStuDubb Жыл бұрын
Missile
@felixaria8978
@felixaria8978 3 жыл бұрын
1:20 No one: 737: does a long range from amsterdam to jfk
@a.hakimnidul430
@a.hakimnidul430 4 жыл бұрын
How do I watch the full Episode?This seems like shorten summary of the actual vdo.Can anyone help?
@Saiyan0X
@Saiyan0X 4 жыл бұрын
So, to test if a plane exploded in mid air, the investigators boarded a plane and replicated the EXACT same conditions in mid air? Talk about dedication.
@robshef718
@robshef718 4 жыл бұрын
No actually it was to merely make up fake data for the NTSB fake report.
@maxismills
@maxismills Жыл бұрын
I want to say thank you for creating this episode, my great uncle and cousin passed away from this disaster. My cousin was 16 when he died, the oldest. My uncle was beloved to our family, and inspired my father to pursue his current passions. I thank my uncle for inspiring my father and making my life better because of it. I’m thankful because there’s so many rumors about what happened, including a conspiracy that it was caused by a U.S. missile striking the plane. My family is a military family. My uncle was the son of a WW2 veteran who helped free the prisoners of concentration camps. Such a theory is offensive and breaks the hearts of my family members. Science outweighs conspiracy.
@ehrrr
@ehrrr Жыл бұрын
im so sorry for your loss 💔
@JJPsyc
@JJPsyc 3 жыл бұрын
This "theory" is adorable.
@robshef718
@robshef718 2 жыл бұрын
And embarrassing.. Jet fuel is as difficult to ignite as a jar of peanut butter.
@theredbaron1043
@theredbaron1043 6 жыл бұрын
I was on a B747 course when this occurred. I had 3 instructors with a combined experience of 105 years. They said no way. With my own research for the planned flight time the center wing tank would have been empty. Mains 1 2 3 4 would have had fuel and their respective pumps operating. CWT pumps would have been off. No fuel no pumps no spark no explosion. Was definitely a missile. Probably from the USS Vincennes.
@lecorsaire2283
@lecorsaire2283 6 жыл бұрын
gerry erbsleben Well these instructors were obviously wrong.
@theredbaron1043
@theredbaron1043 6 жыл бұрын
@@lecorsaire2283 no they were not. I have 2700 hours on B747. Do your own research.
@lecorsaire2283
@lecorsaire2283 6 жыл бұрын
gerry erbsleben So what? That just means you can fly a plane. You’re not an engineer designing these damn things. You’re not a physicist either! If you think hundreds of sailors would keep quite about something like this for over 2 decades when even a private blow job was leaked nearly right away, you’re just delusional. The NTSB report says it all. It’s your problem if you choose not to believe it.
@theredbaron1043
@theredbaron1043 6 жыл бұрын
When undertakes a rating on an aircraft, a basic engineering and systems knowledge is required. One does not have to be a physicist to understand that if there was no fuel in the tank with the pumps off there can e no explosion. The 747 200 can carry 160 tons of fuel. 60 in the cwt. There was adequate fuel in the main tanks to conduct a transatlantic flight without the requirement for fuel in the cwt. Eyewitness testimony. If you care to research; the USS Vincennes was responsible for downing an Iranian airliner. The IFF failed to resolve an Iranian F14 Tomcat and selected the airliner instead. A failure of this system is probably responsible for TWA 800. No issues here then of keeping the crew and government (NTSB included) quiet. Don't accept everything the media throws at you at face value. This your problem. You are however entitled to your opinion.
@TWATWA-qy4zn
@TWATWA-qy4zn 5 жыл бұрын
@@theredbaron1043 IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU ARE A 747 PILOT, THEN YOUR CHIEF PILOT NEEDS A CHECK RIDE. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! IT'S YOUR OPINION, AND QUITE FRANKLY OFFENSIVE TO PEOPLE WHO KNOW FIRST HAND WHAT HAPPENED, AND WHO HAVE LOST FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS. THAT WOULD INCLUDE ME! THE LOSS OF TWA 800 WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A CATASTROPHIC MECHANICAL FAILURE, DUE TO THE EXPLOSION OF THE CENTER TANK, WHICH RESULTED IN THE SUBSEQUENT BREAKUP OF THE AIRCRAFT! PERIOD!
@garrycoates2147
@garrycoates2147 4 жыл бұрын
Just imagine if the plane exploded during the test flight. They would have do a flight accident investigation on a flight accident investigation.
@djlawlz4041
@djlawlz4041 4 жыл бұрын
Heyyy I’m a new KZbinr who’s trying to accomplish her dream of becoming a popular creator. Please help me to reach that goal by supporting my channel!!
@thirstydemon
@thirstydemon 3 жыл бұрын
@@djlawlz4041 please stop
@iheartheenim
@iheartheenim 5 жыл бұрын
But the test aircraft didn't explode. What was ground temperature during the test? How long were the ACs in operation before take-off of the test aircraft? Where is the rest of this documentary?
@jonahmoran3751
@jonahmoran3751 3 жыл бұрын
Because it didn’t have faulty wiring. That’s why and it’s a pay to watch watch seconds from disaster the better not pay version of this
@jonathanevans6770
@jonathanevans6770 6 жыл бұрын
96 out of 500 questioned witnesses saw a missile head for the plane. The military official giving explanation the following day wasn't even looking at the camera. Not to mention that this wasn't the only incident of that nature in that area. Coincidence?
@pizza_parker9689
@pizza_parker9689 5 жыл бұрын
QuasiBiscuit857 then they are not a witness lmao
@darrellhambley7245
@darrellhambley7245 5 жыл бұрын
The "96" number refers to the number of people who saw the initiating event. The rest of the witnesses looked up after the event and therefore, did not seeing anything beforehand.
@abyssiccoronation
@abyssiccoronation 4 жыл бұрын
Second to the nutty missile conspiracy theorists (motive?), many people have little concept of science if they believe the dozen who survived the first blast were "terrified out of their minds". The decompression/deceleration from the explosion greatly mitigated the plane's 500mph speed, causing injuries consistent with an extreme collision. This can be corroborated in the medical examiner's report, which also stated that the g-force winds were so extreme, all the passengers' clothes were ripped off. In respect to physics, I think it's safe to say that there was NO time to comprehend something went seriously wrong on that flight.
@trueknowledgeispower
@trueknowledgeispower 4 жыл бұрын
The missile theory isn't as nutty-sounding as you think. The Navy fired two missles from one of two submarines and 21 surface vessels in that area that were conducting missile tests exercises. The missiles were seeking out drones fired from one of the surface vessels,.......TWA 800 breached the perimeter of the military exercise airspace. The first missile targeted the heat signature from the third engine of TWA 800, then the second missile targeted that explosion. The issue with those center fuel tanks did exist,....up until 1969. In that year, Boeing completely redesigned the center fuel tank system for the 747. The TWA 800 aircraft was built in 1971, therefore, the fuel tank issue did not exist for that aircraft. The Clinton administration, FAA, and NTSB used the 'center fuel tank' theory as propaganda to cover for the Navy's grave mistake.
@abyssiccoronation
@abyssiccoronation 4 жыл бұрын
@@trueknowledgeispower Sources?
@trueknowledgeispower
@trueknowledgeispower 4 жыл бұрын
@@abyssiccoronation .well,.....did you go to the link?
@abyssiccoronation
@abyssiccoronation 4 жыл бұрын
@@trueknowledgeispower You didn't include a link. However, I've already perused everything I've needed to for the past twenty-three years and still find the NTSB's conclusion more credible. We might as will revisit other cases of airplane accidents where proper maintenance wasn't done and write that off as a conspiracy, coverup, etc., too. Boeing was successfully sued, the airline and manufacturer was lawyered to the teeth, and yet they didn't try to make a case that the crash was from a friendly fire missile. What's your theory on that? Fear of the Clintons? I never cared for them either, but such poisoning of the well only gives them more leverage to stifle critics and continue defiling U.S. politics.
@Name-ps9fx
@Name-ps9fx 4 жыл бұрын
To determine a motive, one would need to know who did it, and the lack of such knowledge does not dismiss the credible accounts of hundreds of witnesses on the ground and in the air describing a rising missile. What is interesting about the witness testimony is that none of it was used in court...the only people who could do that are people involved in national security, and only if they cite “national security reasons.” When they do that, even _the existence_ of the eyewitness statements cannot be brought up in court. So even though we don’t know WHO shot down the plane, we know by eyewitness testimony WHAT brought it down, and we can reasonably deduce WHY that information was not brought up in court. The USG is involved...either acting to protect itself, or to protect some other “interest” (allies, organized crime/terrorist organization, etc). Yes, the rest would be conjecture. But the missile theory is not.
@gdstorio2855
@gdstorio2855 5 жыл бұрын
3:10 he is sweating like madd
@khonwang6263
@khonwang6263 4 жыл бұрын
He sweat em up.
@hanspeterx
@hanspeterx 11 ай бұрын
it was not the Air Conditioning, it was the fact that there was a SPARK within the central fuel tank, and these days the tanks weren`t filled with Nitrogen, to make an explosion impossible,
@mataiyasisega852
@mataiyasisega852 3 жыл бұрын
I think it just the design of the plane when put the air condition underneath the fuel tank
@robshef718
@robshef718 3 жыл бұрын
Nope. There was no problem with the 'design' of the plane. The B 747 is the strongest plane ever built. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYPJZGxrntR9iLs
@WhoDatAficionado
@WhoDatAficionado 4 жыл бұрын
Well the truth is out there, it’s was not fuel tank!
@MomedicsChannel
@MomedicsChannel 4 жыл бұрын
Right. It was shot down
@boskee
@boskee 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it was Antifa and Aliens!
@circleinforthecube5170
@circleinforthecube5170 4 жыл бұрын
@@boskee it was PETER GRIFFIN FAMLYU GUY JJJJJJQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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