How airbags break tow truck frames

[@tedfisk1211]

I enjoyed your explanation about airbags and the physics of truck frames and springs. It was easy to understand for this neophyte about such things. Thank you , Casey.

[@jamessimpsoniii2029]

My dad never used air bags on his off-road service truck for use in logging. He would take his truck to a custom leaf maker in Vallejo CA and had military wrap custom springs made to support his service body on all his trucks and I've even used Deaver springs to make my old Ford obs flex and have raptor travel with better ride around town with custom king coilovers in front but I've used the same corner weight measurement technique dad and the old guy in Vallejo did and I'll say I can tow 8000lbs with a 12" travel intact. My dad also swore by Sulastic mounts on the springs and Bilstein shocks to make the suspension smooth as a Cadillac around town.

[@woody4u247]

Great explanation of the chassis load/stress points. Good tow truck operators understand basic physics, leverage, angles & stress points. Understanding how your truck works & what's going on, allows you to work it to its potential safely. It's your income source, protect it. The new Rims & tires look sweet.

[@michaelcauser474]

Thank you for the explanation Casey. There is no way I will ever be making a tow truck out of my 25 year old Renault Scenic, but the knowledge will bear me in good stead should I ever look at serious towing in the years to come. Knowledge is always a great thing to have.

[@stephenbrothers9185]

Bit late to the party on this one, but FWIW, on Ram 3500's with factory air bags, they are placed exactly where the aftermarket kits place them. Right where the factory bump stops are. There is a plate welded to the axle that the bag mounts to (nearly identical to the one that bolts on if you install them yourself). The frames and axles are otherwise identical between leaf spring and air ride trucks. I get the point you're making here, but at least for Ram's, they ARE in fact designed to take the weight right there over the axle.

[@cindyrissal3628]

My Dad had extra leaf springs on our truck to carry an 11.5 ft camper. Worked great! I doubt I'd use bags just bc of how good the springs worked...

[@highspeed01]

thats why when i used to make trucks into plow trucks we made sure they have not installed crappy airbag kits from ebay etc. some brand name companies like firestone and airlift sell massive steel frame reinforcement kits but they dont always advertise them on their website that will hold the plows and the sanders weight extremely well. we would take back of trucks down to frame and some of the kits we used were boxing in truck frame with 3/4 inch to 1 inch thick steel. yes these owners/operators could use a 5 ton by this time cost wise but 5 tons dont fit in alot of places they send the 1 tons into plow.

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Yep, the kits that put the airbags at the rear in place of the springs solve that problem, but create another one for under bed wheel lift trucks. All of those kits require a track bar at the rear, but on these trucks the wheel lift is in the way of that

[@highspeed01]

@@CaseyLaDelle yep. 👍.

[@donalddehaven3229]

Thanks for the lesson in airbags. I actually learned something I didn’t know on frames.

[@desireegoulett69]

@Casey - That was by far the best job of explaining how leaf springs carry and split the load, especially in relation to the directional tension load being applied to the frame, that I have ever heard in my entire life. A life that includes beginning to work at my dad's wrecking yard when I was 12 yrs old that enabled me to buy and build my first car before I was 15 forcing me to stare at it in the back driveway for a year and get in trouble for doing burn outs😂 The point being we sold lots of springs and there were plenty of conversations but nobody said it as well as you just did my friend.😉👊😎 Since I mentioned It, the car was a Black w/white striped R/T 76' Aspen with a rebuilt/bored out 340 out of a 68' Challenger and in spite of how great & durable the 727 Torqueflite was/is & will always be, I wanted & went with manual Hurst linkage & added a Tac to assert more fun & control over the 3.73 power-lock posi differential while looking good rolling on 15x10" deep dish rear & 14x6 front Chrome Cragar's. And of course with Judas Priest being my favorite band my pride n joy was the loud auto-reverse Pioneer tape deck w/amp & boom box speaker.🥰....that unfortunately required me to start the car every 30 minutes when I was jamming tunes....lol It was plenty quick for a first car, but it wasn't long before I wanted big block power. Unfortunately, I got rear ended within site of the Portland Coliseum with 5th row tickets on my way to see David Lee Roth - "Eat em & Smile" & Cinderella and the car was totaled. Ended up walking with my two buddies from the wreck the rest of the way to the concert and got lucky right before we entered the building and ran into a couple of ladies who had borrowed their dad's Cadilac that were also from Albany where we all lived that then met us after the concert and gave us all a ride home....so no worries during the great show. I remember they even had a cooler full of Bartel's wine coolers we drank on the eay home...they were a thing in the late 80's...lol

[@judithfairchild8620]

This may sound a little crazy I don't know much about what load a truck can carry. Thanks for the information. I think if you were interested in reading phone books you would make it interesting. May you and your family enjoy more outings. Watching you and the others crawl over the rocky places made me want to be young enough to get a 4 wheel able to run off road and join in the fun.

[@Fluffy_Vizier]

The way you are describing airbags is not how I'm used to seeing them. I'm in Europe, so that might be why, but the airbags on my truck are mounted on the frame in front of the axle and is then connected to the axle by a thick leaf spring cut in half that then mounts to the frame behind the axle. So that would more or less use the same mounting area. I've also just seen pictures of campers that have airbags help their regular leafsprings with the load. Anyway, I've recently discovered your channel and have been binge watching it ever since, its a great look into what is for me a completely different world. really enjoying the content!

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Yes, we have that style air suspension here as well. But that style requires the use of a track bar to keep the axle center, and the wheel lift on a truck like this is in the way of a track bar

[@chrisweyandt6267]

Thanks Casey, I love your content… especially your technical explanations.

[@shanehaws3828]

Casey those added springs on your dodge used to be standard equipment on all 1 tons and we're called OVERLODE SPRINGS

[@CaseyLaDelle]

These are different than factory overload springs

[@jarrythskeen8336]

I like your handles rub bars over your back tires that are kind of cool

[@Fasttowpro]

Hey it's 1:00 in the morning over here in the East Coast and that was well worth staying up for. Very good explanation on why the leaf springs take the weight instead of over the axle I really didn't know that you can tell you have the fabrication skills I'm not much of an engineer 😅

[@869Dansky]

Very well explained. I knew about it but couldn’t explained it as well.

[@mikerobbins5049]

Good explanation on how air bags affect the frame under different loads

[@alvinmitchell6799]

From a Statics and Dynamics point the airbag in the center of the leaf spring offsets the forces from the leaf mounts. Having the mounts fixed where they are creates a moment around the center of the leaf that cause the forces to torque the frame towards the axle. Mounting an airbag using the goose neck mount would help bridge the forces along the frame if you are worried about the bending. If you look the older Toyota frames and bodies you should notice that they do not have the same gap between the bed and cab like any US truck does. This is because the older Toyota frames are designed not to flex as much.

[@loganpark7993]

Thank you for explaining your reasoning. Love to hear why instead of just "air bags brake frames"

[@chrisgriffin2587]

Tires and wheels look great! I dig that Lil Willie's as well.

[@LostIn207]

Those wheels look great.

[@dandailey1857]

Kelderman air ride has an air bag system that replaced the rear shackle connection point on the leaf spring at back of vehicle. Will give some height adjustment, makes smoother ride and will lift under load. Biggest issue is crossbar to connect both sides together with wheel lift in the way.

[@phillip.9524]

Casey very sound logic. People do not understand that by fitting air bags directly above the axel that they are now just using the front leaf spring mount as the fulcrum point. The rear spring mount is flexible and once the spring is under load it elongates i.e flattens and pushes the hanger back. The bed of the truck/pickup with load will use that point to bend the frame. I love the fact people are saying that they have been doing this and that for years but still do not understand basic engineering.

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Exactly. Just because you've been doing something for years doesn't mean it's right!

[@mrmotofy]

I was arguing with a guy about battery types, uses and voltages. He used that 25yrs line...he's been maintenance head of 75 vehicle pools blah blah. He didn't know/believe there's different battery types like start and deep cycle or their uses. He didn't know or believe the running batteries low would harm them or the principles of battery cycling, keeping lead batteries above 50% greatly extending their life etc. I said I don't care what ignorance you've been living and working in for 25 yrs...you're simply wrong and a 10sec search will prove you wrong and me right.

[@malcolmtaylor111]

@@CaseyLaDelle I have given up on more than one argument about ideas based on "that's how we have always done it". I applaud your willingness to bang your head against the wall, maybe you can finally break it.

[@elijahcavin2408]

Suspension is made to move and squat the truck. People think trucks should never squat. I've had stock suspension on all my trucks and it works great even slightly overloaded.

[@OwensGarage]

That willys looks like fun!

[@steveschritz1823]

Now it makes sense… I drive big truck with airbag suspension and instead of putting airbag directly on axle, they have a bar that essentially replaces the leaf springs and the airbag is under one end of it.

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Yep, and there are companies that make that same style air ride for pickups. Buuuuutt they require a track bar behind the axle to keep everything centered, and that's not possible when there's a wheel lift in the way

[@larryjones2024]

Interesting and clear explanation of your suspension.

[@jkmcp45]

I’ve been running kelderman bags on my srw f350 for 8 yrs and I used to run a drw f350 with the same bag set up with the same stinger as you never broke a frame and I lift mainly pick ups and vans and I pull or move some heavy loads of cattle I have a steel trailer look into kelderman airs air bag kit not the rv kit but their heavy duty kit

[@moo2240]

I had a 2015 f-450 that has towed gooseneck trailers/ campers it's been well over its max tow rating it's never cracked the frame I've never worried about the airbags in the 150,000 miles I've had that truck

[@sandralutz-rodriguez2864]

always learn something new from your videos. Nice new cut! Just got my ears lowered too!

[@ceisarsrepair7958]

Don't forget to mount a winch on the back while you're there installing the hitch. 👍👍

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Receiver mount winch

[@bernardsteffen2788]

Nice haircut. Definately pass inspection.

[@KeepItMowed]

I ran a sneaker wheel lift with air bags on a 1994 Chevy 2500 for 30 years. Never cracked a frame and loaded the crap out of it. All you have to do is put a simple outer v-plate that goes from spring point to point. I added a extra spring to the factory set, then had overloads as well. That was the most comfortable ride with that extra weight from the wheel lift. Air bags will crack chassis on any set up if they're installed wrong. When Firestone Airbags we're becoming popular they actually installed them on Sneaker set ups back then. The trucks today definitely have questionable strength when it comes to adding things to them. Nevertheless, good video...

[@CaseyLaDelle]

That's exactly what I said. You have to make it so the force from the airbag is going to the spring points, not to the frame straight above the axle with no additional support

[@walthanas]

That was a very interesting lesson in mechanical engineering and automotive design! I've studied both in a previous life, but never came across this wheel lift issue (they're not very common around here) On my 4x4 stationwagon, I have done something similar. I added extra springs inside the standard springs in the back, which will only work once the back gets pushed down far enough to involve the extra springs, they add stiffness. Did that to be able to put a tow hook box on the back without it starting to scratch the ground every time I drive over a speed bump. Thank you!

[@stevenwalberg2696]

Really good explanation, of the suspension, I definitely learned a couple of things! Thanks

[@exploringpeco]

No you was misinformed by this guy so take it from a ase tech he is wrong...

[@pnkslpLJB]

He talks good

[@bdjm8595]

This is a really good point, especially for this application. For occasionally heavy loads i would think that air bags should be Ok.

[@Kajtek1]

Air bags are mounted for helping leveling, not for carrying the whole weight, so the 20-25% of the load supported by the frame over the axle is not breaking load. I had air bags on 3 trucks, where F450 was carrying 10,000 lb loads and air bags lifting 5000 lb at max pressure worked just fine. If you remember old El Caminos? They come with air adjustable shocks from the factory. No truck frame is design to carry sneaker lift, yet we see it

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Did you notice the part where I said, "tow truck frames" in the title???

[@tractorboy31]

Ive heard that first hand from someone that happened to. I pull a 13k trl behind my dually now but i used to do it with a 3/4 and with a little over 1k tongue wieght it sagged a bit but it did the job with no damage. Im happy with my dually with 4.5k rated spring packs with 1.2k over loads all stock. I put 2k skid of wood pellets and still not touch my overloads. Rides ruff for a daily driver but i did that for 4 yrs but couldnt afford 2 trks until now. Lol twist of fate i bought a second trk in june and somebody lied at work and i got fired in august and now im back driving long haul semi so both my trks sit primarily. Oh well. 7.3 powerstroke build?

[@BertCotton]

Could you do a review of the hitch mounted winch? I'm interested in getting one for my F150 because I see that as a better option than changing the front bumper out and losing the sensors.

[@jfloydsea]

Big thumbs up for shop kitty!😻😻

[@junkyardhillbilly]

Very well said Casey about the frame and the truck but truly if you're going to be towing you should have a dually because that's what it's made for .... but with that being a recovery truck I understand why you didn't go with a dually because of you would be too wide in some trails so that setup works for you but dually is the way to go if you're going to tow with a sneaker lift but I do like your suspension packs very well said video I love your Jeep it looks nice now I can't wait to see it in action you should take it up to Mount Hood see if they'll let you run it up there see how it does it's looking good i like the new rack too keep up the great videos

[@CaseyLaDelle]

There is zero need for a dually. It would not increase my towing abilities one bit.

[@junkyardhillbilly]

@@CaseyLaDelle how do you figure the extra wheels in the back give you stability and it's able to handle the weight capacity better you have a CDL you should already know that I see that big equipment that you run around with so I know you have a CDL it's just safer with four wheels in the rear I would never tow like that unless I was broke and just couldn't do it any other way but I know you're not broke you have some nice toys

[@CaseyLaDelle]

@@junkyardhillbilly simple... Weight rating. The tires I have on this truck have a high enough weight rating even if I lift something that maxes out my wheel lift, I'm still well under the weight rating of the tires. And since you mentioned my CDL.... My last heavy haul truck had single rear wheels as well. In the areas I run, single are far safe than duals.

[@byranbunn2773]

Thank you for the knowledge. Love the videos.

[@rayrussell92]

Truck is looking really good so is the jeep and willy the willy sounds like it has a thumper cam i like it good luck with all

[@Stephen06GT]

The wheels look great. Nice choice.

[@Cotton088]

That may be true on your truck. My 2020 Super Duty fifth wheel hitch does not spread the support to the leaf springs. It sits between the leaf springs by a fair margin. I know because I pulled the bed off to install the factory prep kit. Where the hitch is, is exactly where the air bags would go if I had them.

[@Cotton088]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYHKgp6ZgLeog68 go to 13:55 for the placement

[@jalex19100]

Helper springs 👍

[@MyLonewolf25]

That’s why you gotta box and stiffen the frame if you do bags

[@jimcraig5208]

The pickup I had I added over load springs when I pulled my fifth wheel

[@CaseyLaDelle]

I have super springs on this truck

[@fergusonhobbyfarm4567]

Great explanation

[@ericl5973]

I had my Megacab stretched to a long bed and put a 4 link air ride Kelderman system installed. I worry about the extended leverage on the rear hitch because of the removal of the rear leaf spring mount from the 4 link. The frame stretch was done over the axel so it is more stout than the factory frame and sleeved into the original frame. I don't tow heavy heavy with a bumper pull hitch but I am still tempted on plating the frame behind the axel to add some support just in case I need to at some point.

[@MontanaWelldigger]

Carrying all that weight that far back is crazy. Just a set of airbags for your fifth wheel trailer is fine.

[@ItsMeJon14]

Great looking tire/wheel combo!

[@robertquackenbush5547]

Thanks for that info on the frame

[@teamidris]

I was glued to that, makes total sense. I popped them under the back of my 1991 Ford transit and there is already a lot of metal around the bump stop area. And unfortunately that is probably so British drivers could load them up until it was riding on the bump stops and not cause any issues :D

[@edzimdahl1158]

Loading till down to bump stops is entirely different than riding on bag,, the load itself is still primarily supported by the springs, with bump stop doing as designed,stopping movement beyond a preset point

[@teamidris]

@@edzimdahl1158 legit logic right there. With 80psi in them the spring is little more than a locator arm.

[@warrenhall829]

gday casey. this is why those air shocks are no longer used. people would over load up the boot of a car. they would pump up the air shocks and rip the mountings out.

[@LivingCoast2Coast]

Makes perfect sense.

[@darrinstone49]

you should go to the Tow truck Olympics with Fabrats & Matt's Towing. Taking an offroad truck of some sort.

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Definitely not doing that

[@lockedin60]

I was trying to understand your explanation but sleep deprivation made that truck suspension lesson 101 a bit scrambled eggs for me. I will come back later to revisit your explanation sir. Someone must have questioned your superior judgement!

[@TowMan127]

Great explanation!

[@donaldpereira2652]

Installing a gooseneck or fifthwheel hitch system...needs to be 2 inches foreword of the centerline of the axle.

[@kathleendircks5577]

So for towing a 3 or4 horse trailer that’s not gooseneck, you’d be better off boosting the leaf springs than getting the air bag levellers?

[@invisibilianone6288]

Have appointments in town,,, need to stay clean,,,, let's grease the truck,,,, you are as bad as I am...lol

[@lancethomas4566]

What do you think about the kelderman leaf mount airbag system?

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Kelderman makes very nice and well thought out kits. But the problem with them for this application is that all of their kits require either a track bar or cross member behind the rear axle, and that can't be done on a truck like this because the wheel lift is in the way

[@danielsmith9500]

Wheels look good

[@jamesgeorge4874]

Our shop just sold our 2012 GMC 3500 wheel lift, and got a 2021 F550 wheel lift.

[@xmo552]

Dodge is better heads down

[@GrayG52]

What is the name of that tool box in your truck bed at 11:18?

[@CaseyLaDelle]

No idea

[@Z-Ack]

Well you look at how the shocks are mounted in the rear of trucks, at that angle from the axle to the frame at that angle. So if you used an airbag at that angle, which the distance is too long for an airbag, it would support the load correctly. If used hydraulic pistons instead of rear shocks it would stiffen everything up solid until it shatters the axles/ diff.

[@CaseyLaDelle]

No if wouldn't, because shocks don't hold any weight, all they do is dampen the movement

[@davidfafinski5316]

Check out your video footage of you backing the veterans van outta that forest your wheel lift is flopping around bottoming out bad and your truck is abkuy to pop. Wheelie ... I run a 3500 sneaker truck and we rein in force the frame and use bags and they will lift diesels no problem and tow amazing ... Maybe consider beefing up your frame.. but other then that I really enjoy all your videos

[@CaseyLaDelle]

The frame is reinforced. In the shot you're speaking of I had the wheel lift at full extension and was backing over ruts in the ground. Bouncing around is exactly what it should be doing in that situation

[@jpocketrocket]

In our state cylinders and propane bottles have to be transported in the upright position, I'm not sure what it is in Oregon

[@cdayejr]

Thanks for sharing. I learned something new.

[@David-yy7lb]

Now I learned something today, It never accrued to me that the load is placed on the spring hangers and not over the axle

[@dhgdarkness3744]

What wheel chocks do you use?

[@briansullivan.1341]

what brand is that wheel lift?

[@larsharris]

On the Jeep hitch. If I understand your plan. How will you put the cross bolt to secure hitch? It looked to be within tube?

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Pin hole sits 1" outside of the cross member

[@daviddelaney5180]

Excellent information! Thanks for sharing!

[@jakelogan7542]

Why are factory bump stops directly above the axle if it isn't meant to hold any weight in that manner?

[@SmudgyContent]

Ha! This is awesome… I been telling people this for years n years… not the air bag thing but about the weight over the axle superstition… gotta share yah vidyao with few ppl 👀😂 but first I gotta bring it up again somehow and then make a wager 😂🤫

[@gayle4804]

Lots of information

[@ruralbuckeye1200]

What was that tire and rim combo again? Where did you get them?

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Vision highway hauler wheels and Hankook DH07 tires

[@splatterize]

Question about the snow recoveries. Will you possibly be doing any in the Ollalie area? Just curious because I just watched a video and.they ran tracks on a 4.runner I believe. Insane amount of snow there in that vid. Just waiting on you and snow and a request for help.

[@ceisarsrepair7958]

Yes! Find out what area he's working in the snow and go out and get buried, film him in action! All in the name of promotion of course! 🤣👍

[@CaseyLaDelle]

If I get called up that way, I definitely will

[@richardelliott9511]

I saw a video like that too. That absolutely was an insane amount of snow. The tracked vehicle just stayed on top and keptmoving. It was being followed by a similar vehicle but 4wd, a lift kit and maybe larger tires, that the tracker had to get unstuck when it got off of the snow pack. It was amazing. Tracks are cool, I even saw a video of a Japanese 4x4 mini pickup with a set! Can't wait to see yours in action.

[@drandisol]

Great explanation Casey, learned a lot.

[@knowltek]

That gooseneck frame supports the frame from twisting air bags are fine…that tow boy setup is a frame breaker in it self..work box is what your saying..flexibility in the front is good enough..think of a ten wheeler the back is a work box ..very stiff. Hell I had a Toyota Tundra w air bags haul n a tags trailer 12k. Still in one piece…js

[@Fordgroup00]

Yeah. His explanation was a bit off. He’s right about the stress from that tow set-up is what’s most likely to break frames. Under (normal) conditions bags won’t break frames and are a great improvement

[@CaseyLaDelle]

I said that in my explanation. Under normal use, bags won't break frames, but they aren't exactly good for them either. The combination of under bed wheel lift and bags however is asking for trouble.

[@Fordgroup00]

@@CaseyLaDelle Springs are more likely to break before frames do, seen it myself several times. Especially on helper set-ups that add more stress onto the springs. Frames are literally designed to carry the weight. The main reason frames break is a bad batch of steel You want your load (over the axle) to help disperse the weigh for the best results of the whole truck. Weight too far back front end comes up and you can’t steer nor stop. The leaf springs give no structural support and in fact break But you are correct in your specific application the load and leverage is completely different than what the frame was designed to do

[@craig28c]

Was that a crack in the left hand rear inner wheelarch panel?

[@CaseyLaDelle]

That's a plastic fender liner

[@drandisol]

Hey Casey, ever think of putting one of those sliding canvas caps on your truck to keep your bed gear dry? I'm thinking of putting one on my truck.

[@CaseyLaDelle]

I ordered one weeks ago and am still waiting for it to show up

[@drandisol]

@@CaseyLaDelle Look forward to your review once you get it and work it for awhile. I've run fiberglass tops forever, but they have their own drawbacks, so thinking of making the switch. Just dubious about the durability of the rollback cap.

[@lancethomas4566]

@@drandisol like a tonneau cover? We have a hard rollup aluminum one and its awesome

[@drandisol]

@@lancethomas4566 It's more like a canopy, but it's canvas and rolls back to the cab when you want it out off the way.

[@blindLuckky]

"helper springs help" why are there so many installation options for airbags. Still like the idea of putting a dolly wheel on the stinger to offset the drag down.... Nice picture you painted of the golden frame arches...

[@CaseyLaDelle]

As I said, airbags work for the average person's application, even though they don't correctly place the load on the frame. But putting a under bed wheel lift on a pickup frame is not exactly a common thing

[@justanotheraviator2357]

The new ones with airbags stock aren't the same, this should be noted, RAM Trucks is not stupid

[@ronaldsears834]

Actually semi trucks ride quite comfortable yes you do feel the bumps but then again your probably do in your pickup

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Semi trucks do not ride anywhere near as comfortable as pickups

[@mrmotofy]

@Casey LaDelle Depends on the pickup haha

[@johnsmart3587]

Lots of knowledge, thanks for video.

[@wb6anp]

would this bending moment with airbags also impact truck with campers? I think they are loaded more evenly across the bed though. Or travel trailers (bumper pull).

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Nope, very different loads placed on the frame in very different ways

[@mythoughts772]

Air bags work great for truck campers also get a spacer between the springs and the overload springs and it will engage them quicker and take the sway out.

[@johnpence8529]

Great explanation. Thanks!

[@michaelcook184]

Did not know that about frames thanks for sharing

[@brandosfixingfishingchanne209]

But these frames arent made for the wheel lift either

[@dh48sas76]

Great content

[@jimcollins8097]

What tires do you have on the truck?

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Hankook DH07's

[@lyndonhamby7432]

I liked other a little better. Cool looks

[@m4sherman1945]

factory airbag trucks use the same frame with extra brackets, welded in the same “flawed” location. The frame is plenty strong for airbags in the middle, dodge already calculated for that…

[@CaseyLaDelle]

But they never calculated for a wheel lift hanging off the back. Hence, "tow truck frames" in the title of the video...

[@zapman2100]

You know they make airbag systems for the rear springs mounting points

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Yes they do, and those systems require a track bar to be put in to keep the rear axle in place. Buuuuutt a track bar can't be used on these trucks without some serious custom fabrication because the wheel lift is in the way of where it needs to to go.

[@lightbd]

What type of wheellift are you running on the truck mate?

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Lift and tow

[@AaronCPalmer]

Is there a particular reason why you decided on Hankooks? Did you have Sailun s740s on your F350?

[@CaseyLaDelle]

I really likes the Sailun's, but they aren't available in this size. The decision to go with the Hankooks was easy, because they were the only snow rated tire in this size that anyone had available.

[@AaronCPalmer]

@@CaseyLaDelle Fair enough 😀 By the by; You've inspired me to put Sailuns on my F350 😁 Offset is 💯on your Dodge 👏

[@CaseyLaDelle]

@@AaronCPalmer I've ran Sailun's on that red truck, as well as my heavy haul trucks and trailers. In the heavy duty category there isn't a better tire out there for the money

[@stevegarboden2437]

Not sure I've ever seen the frame break from air bags?, the Ford's and Dodge's rip the bracket off of the frame and the Chevy's mash the bracket around the axle. How is the balance on those 19.5's?, every time they come in the shop to get balanced it's a serious PAIN! to get them right!??

[@richardhartley3825]

smart man !