How an Accidental Glitch changed Ocarina of Time Speedruns Forever

[@LunaticJ]

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[@drawsgaming7094]

5:41 the text says "fasterset"

[@asleepyjake]

not launtic50 like in the video? ;)

[@jarvitz]

I guess I can say this here, so I originally started playing on Wii VC, but when i went to college I was lazy and only brought my N64 so i switched (I also ran dk64 at the time, so one console was easier to move). As I was playing for a couple weeks on n64 I noticed I was holding R when mashing text and told myself to stop since it did nothing (other than shield sometimes when the textbox ran out). Obviously I did not stop and this whole thing happened because I switched from Gamecube controller to N64 controller and was trying to hold it like gamecube, as well as me being lazy

[@rawr51919]

best accident ever

[@Zel-Veraan]

​@@rawr51919 I feel like that one sentence sums up majority of speedrunning.

[@cftvdata]

Kind of amazing that I never had this happen to me by accident as a kid. I used to hold the N64 controller like a freak since I didn't know any better - right hand on the middle handle (controlling stick/Z), with my left palm sitting on the back of the controller pak slot (pushing the cord down against it), and my left thumb hitting the A/B/C buttons. As a result my left middle finger would often rest on R resulting in a fair bit of accidentally shielding, lol.

[@brofenix]

Lol haha, that's amazing :)

[@jarvitz]

oh hey thats me hi.

[@LunaticJ]

Yoooooooooo

[@ItConfuses]

I love when people in random videos are still lurking 12 years later lol

[@DanielDeLeon69]

HOW are you doing today 😊​@@LunaticJ

[@SBBCommunity]

Hi

[@gunnaliteswafford3842]

Me hi? Never heard of him

[@ThaRixer]

hold R lol

[@alexisroux2448]

but what about hold L

[@Kat21]

@@alexisroux2448 hold R

[@LunaticJ]

@@alexisroux2448 That’s Banjo Tooie

[@MementoMoriv2]

@@LunaticJha! I get that reference

[@Oceane1803]

​@@MementoMoriv2 What's the reference ? I wanna know.

[@Abyssoft]

The refresh rate on that microwave display though 👀

[@Lady8D]

I know right?!?! Super fast & crystal clear 😂

[@wrathofainz]

I would love for a more technical explanation as to why holding r has any impact on things. Also, this is my first time finding out that there is a frog item in ocarina of time.

[@noskap]

I'd love to know too

[@JI0MB]

​@@noskapit's most likely just a debug feature to test out the trade quest

[@archangel5784]

R is the button to hold your shield. Maybe pulling out your shield takes priority over getting the item for the single start up frame in the same way the hookshot takes priority?

[@AmberSixtyFour]

3:20 low camera quality makes it look like he got the frog in real life! Just gotta hold R!

[@unebaguette9745]

At first I didn't understand the comment because on phone KZbin is supposed to show time coded comments at the relevant time and I wasn't seeing what you meant. But then he lifted his controller and I started laughing hysterically because I genuinely thought it was a frog for a second XD

[@loubob69]

yea cool vid or whatever can we talk about how damn funny the menu sprite of the eyeball frog is. look at it. what a goofy green blob guy

[@LunaticJ]

It’s so funny, that you forget it’s dead

[@inthefade]

I've played this game and beaten it 100% so many times, but it has been over 10 years since I last did. I had completely forgotten about this hilarious frog quest item!

[@zekay_]

Best item in the game

[@soyfacekilla]

Reddit comment L

[@slimestaff1]

​@@LunaticJ :(

[@canadianstickdeath]

Mushroom timer CS skip crashing in Deku played an important role in the discovery of Ganondoor for me, since remembering a prior conversation about that is what made me realize you could likely wrong warp through other means than had currently been discovered. The day after discovering Ganondoor I went into #zelda and brought up some of my other ideas, which lead to confirming the credits warp with frog timer, and also, maxx mentioned that duping over the trade item would cause the timer to reload your current room, adding a couple more new WWs to the pile.

[@KronosCuteTiger]

No you dont shoot for the moon, you shoot for the sun to get the fire arrows 🤣

[@Rokushi_ftw]

This has "Debug Feature they forgot to remove until 1.2" written all over it

[@Fig02]

Not at all, it is a genuine bug. Many cases in this game where delaying item collection by 1 or more frames can cause NPCs to give a different item which they would give in different contexts. Has to do with how individual NPCs item giving routines are programmed, since all of them are kinda unique

[@meyadin5844]

​@@Fig02 really interesting stuff actually

[@somewhere-else]

i “love” modern youtube. the baseless conspiracy theory gets 134 likes and the actual information gets 5. as for me it’s strange seeing this reported as ancient history, i still remember this all going down in irc that day like it was a couple years ago.

[@Rokushi_ftw]

@@somewhere-else More like conspiracy theory, it's just a first impression for a time I quite literally forgot to remove a debug feature and had to release a patch that did so

[@meyadin5844]

@@somewhere-else relax dude its not that deep

[@iankrasnow5383]

This is one of the most beloved (and therefore most played and most picked apart) games of all time, so there's definitely some tricks that you see and wonder how it took so long to be discovered. The "hold R for frog" is definitely one of them. Later examples include equip swap and lunge storage; tricks that are available on all versions and very easy to pull off, but weren't discovered for 20 years or more. There are also an almost uncountable number of crazy glitches you wonder how anyone ever managed to figure out.

[@SeedyZ]

Speedfrog and Holding R, a classic combo

[@zachhawkins5005]

Why does holding R cause this? Can it be used on other NPCs that give items?

[@Saesann]

My guess is that it was some sort of debug feature they forgot to remove until 1.2

[@bryandacote8109]

Yeah, you can get the gold scale early as a kid by holding R

[@BSKustomz]

Get a record fish as child Link and talk to the fisherman while holding R for the gold scale

[@Gota0014]

LunaticJ: A Zelda game where the final boss is a dragon? That's pretty awesome, not gonna lie Nintendo: Hold my sake

[@KevinKolpack]

Oracle of Seasons has entered the chat.

[@mattguy1773]

speedrunning butterfly effect in progress

[@HolyHolyHandGrenade]

Idk if anyone has said this yet, but in your sponsor section, the text on screen says "LUANTIC50" not "LUNATIC50"; just thought you'd want to know.

[@me_carlf]

I'm absolutely here for all of this niche speedrun content from you, Lunatic. Keep up the great work

[@Rin_404]

10:59 yeah imagine having a dragon as the final boss in a zelda game how cool would that be?

[@SharpForceTrauma]

4:19 CLEAN YA GOTDAMN MICROWAVE

[@TherealWottie]

Always blows my mind how people find these glitches yet alone pull them off! OOT the goat ❤

[@speedrunner1763]

I think the all medallions run on the category extensions leaderboard still uses speedfrog as well

[@Glozboy22]

This is like how you can get the gold scale early as by holding Z+R in the fishing pond

[@DarkonFullPower]

HUH?!

[@NoahPetherbridge]

​@@DarkonFullPowerYeah: as young Link you catch the big fish in the pond, but before you turn it in: swim into the deep part of the pond, and hold Z+R and keep holding them as you swim to shore and turn in your fish. Instead of a piece of heart, young Link gets the golden scale (and thus can immediately sequence break and swim into Zora's domain etc. early). I think it makes getting the heart piece impossible though, as adult Link's fishing reward will also be the golden scale (again). This glitch came to mind when I saw this video but now I wonder if the Z+R trick as adult Link will invert it and give the heart piece again... since in this video you can invert the prescription item to get the blue tunic.

[@princessCashel]

this sounds like a rumor you would hear on the playground. Want to complete the Big Goron sidequest early? Just hold R while talking to King Zora.

[@lucasnothere2008]

I love stuff like this Reminds me of Item sliding in Wind Waker HD Its so cool how a single accidental discovery can change a game forever

[@MettanAtem]

1:53 I think that's actually a No Eyeball Frog.

[@mrturret01]

Just hold r. Lol

[@Oceane1803]

Was Ganonless named that as a little joke referencing Mario 64's Canonless, or is it a coincidence ?

[@alecrutz956]

coincidence but it is pretty funny

[@041744]

Does anyone know a technical explanation why holding r or delaying the item changes what item you get?

[@LunaticJ]

Here's a technical writeup from mzxrules pastebin.com/N288iBwK

[@Zeru64_]

Quick correction on 2:44 , that guy is not Runnerguy2489, RG has a beard.

[@BWoodRap]

The title of this video made me laugh. As if we had any other type of glitch but accidental ones lmao

[@SomebodysCrackers]

how would skipping half the trade sequence count towards "100"% serious question not trolling

[@fruitysoupy]

100% only requires all item slots to be filled, and since trade items use the same slot it doesn't matter if you skipped earlier ones As long as you get to the final item that takes up that slot in your menu it counts! :]

[@SharpForceTrauma]

@@SomebodysCrackers 100% is "quest end stage reached and completed" not every single step of it. Its the same reason why warping to the end credits counts as a game clear

[@escaperoutebritish]

The way it's just "hold R" makes me thing a developer left this in for quick testing

[@jahjoeka]

I just love love love speed runners!

[@groundbeef2]

Makes you wonder, though... ...where else can "Hold R" be used? How many places/people give you an important item that you can mess with?

[@porkeyminch8044]

Something similar can be performed in the fishing hole as a child to obtain the gold scale instead of the heart piece, but I forget exactly how it works.

[@Pepesmall]

At this point the whole game has been decompiled to pc so literally anything like thid could be found by searching the actual code, so probably nothing

[@drewba7741]

You just... you just hold R?

[@SullySadface]

king zora is just doing his job maweep maweep maweep

[@SlipRee]

CLEAN YO MICROWAVE BRUH I LOVE YOUR VIDS STILL!!!!!!!!!!

[@05Matz]

Huh, so if I understand this, interrupting/delaying the animation where you receive an item from an NPC allows them to advance to their next state before the 'you get the item from this person' triggers, which under some circumstances causes an item from a later quest to be spawned instead? Clever!

[@LinksJam]

Oot and its speedrunning scene are wonderful experiences.

[@skywardthedragon]

8:50 THUNDER CLOUD TEMPLE!

[@Runnerguy2489]

HOLD R LOL

[@Anthrocarbon]

Bomberman Hero BGM. Nice.

[@JoshNotJohn0]

They didnt call frog to credits Frog Warp? Lame.

[@mariotaz]

God I miss this era of speedruning

[@rehaansiddiqie]

Wait, maybe I accidentally did this glitch too, cuz I got the Biggoron Sword and remembered that I didn't go everywhere to get it. Or maybe my memory just sucks.

[@Zel-Veraan]

Hold R, get frogge.

[@mcintoshpc]

VERY fast frog moving at incredible hihg speeds

[@AaronGarmon]

I love this game so much

[@BSKustomz]

Is this the awkward moment where I point out that we figured this out hold R in the late '90s? (I think we figured it out accidentally but I do remember seeing it on one of the stacks of mysterious printed sheets of game FAQ or whatever forum that everybody had) but we didn't really do anything with it other than screw around, you can do the same thing with the fisherman he'll give you the gold scale when you first get a record fish

[@Pupppeteer]

Linus tech tips prefers the hard r method over the hold r. Nice original joke there!

[@ErdrickHero]

R is shield right? I play in Ship of Harkinian with a custom layout adapted to a modern controller, I don't have all the original controls memorized (this game is unplayable without freecam).

[@hothmandon]

The Big Goron sword really should be the master sword. It's the master sword on steroids.

[@sahilhossian8212]

Lore of How an Accidental Glitch changed Ocarina of Time Speedruns Forever momentum 100

[@TylerCMilligan]

Yo I did not just watch mans cut green beans. I have seen it all.

[@GheeFresh]

What's the song playing from 7:27? It sounds familiar but I can't put my finger on it

[@GheeFresh]

Found it. Bomberman Hero - Redial

[@StarfieldDisarray]

I love that it's called a "trick" when it's barely anything to perform.

[@Jinxanator66]

Hey what's the name of the song you used when talking about wrong warping?

[@minirop]

Yay! Nice video!

[@L4S0B055]

Unless my eyes deceive me, Jarvitz has a Robert Morris University shirt on. That's really interesting given that's where I went to school.

[@jarvitz]

you dont recognize the dorm room?

[@L4S0B055]

@@jarvitz I commuted, my lucky/poor ass has never seen the inside of a dorm room 😂

[@FU-bz3jb]

Thats some impressive calculatus

[@terraknight2384]

Does the original discovery still exist in video form? I want to hear the confusion.

[@LunaticJ]

Here ya go www.twitch.tv/videos/47659597

[@YourTypicalMental]

I don't speedrun, but I do own a Gold cart OoT. I wanna try that Frog skip! I just need to figure what's wrong with my N64.

[@PlatinPark1992]

Lmao i remember when i Played Ocarina the First time 20 years ago. I got this frog and i Always thought its the way IT should be

[@VulpixAlyx]

Oh hey, I own a physical 1.0 cartridge. Nice!

[@logansharpe9034]

Dam, clicked this video before it’s even 5 minutes old!!

[@filthyklownzssb4589]

So this was found before the early gold scale? But why does that work without having the silver scale?

[@AroundTheBlockAgain]

As someone who only watches speedruns, I'm still not sure how I feel about Credits Warp speedruns, but I don't have a good explanation as to why I feel that way. You can see people warping TO the final boss all the time, so why do I get questioning when they warp PAST it? Dunno. But this is what different categories are for, I suppose.

[@KevinKolpack]

Just guessing here, but maybe it's because we often think of "beating the game" and "beating the final boss/level" as being one and the same. For routes with massive sequence breaks like a wrong warp (or even intentional skips like in Mario games), one still has to beat the final boss, so it still technically meets the requirements of "beating the game." A credits warp, however, removes the final boss from the equation, so it can seem less like "beat the game any%" and more like "trigger this specific cutscene any%." YMMV.

[@AroundTheBlockAgain]

@@KevinKolpack yeah that probably has a lot to do with it. And look at how many other types of "trigger this specific cutscene any%" categories we have for speedrunning various games (meme joke categories or otherwise). Not every category "beats the game". "Beating the game" is arguably not even the point of a speedrun, even in non-CW / non-meme categories. What IS the point? Our feelings? Community consensus based on our collective feelings? I don't have an answer. Yeah, YMMV.

[@timmaia5082]

yo where's that frog highlights dude

[@addambelmont3050]

If holding R changed the item here, wouldn't it change other items characters give you?

[@aydeniswise4081]

4:42 it says luantic50 on the video

[@FAI_CW]

Great video as usual, but Jesus Christ, Factor being on this big advertisement spree is starting to tick me off. It's the new Raid Shadow Legends. I can't freaking hear it anymore.

[@theheckler399]

Frog in thumbnail, clicked

[@ninjoshday]

Shoot for the moon? MAJORA'S MASK MENTIONED!?

[@Squib]

Does anyone know the song name at 7:29?

[@skalty9868]

Are there intentional glitches

[@Micha-d2z]

How can i replicate that? Iam not a speedrunner, but want to try hold r to get the frog early 😊

[@basklisk]

what is the song used around 7:30?

[@sydandpie146]

bomberman (forgot the version name) redial

[@cubecat9493]

"Accidental Glitch", opposed to what, a Purposeful Glitch?

[@thingsiplay]

As an outsider: How long did it take to solve this? lol, I thought this video was all about how this was done and it was a multi year approach. But nope, same day. xD haha

[@SyphistPrime]

Oh God, I remember this trick when I watched so many OoT speedruns back in the day. Such a good trip down memory lane

[@esraeloh8681]

Hahahaha. "All you needed to do was have ADHD & not be able to not touch those buttons" Wow that's crazy that never happened too me as a kid, or did it, god I honsetly can't hardly remember most of the years I played the game. I could not stop myself fucking with the buttons though, shoulder buttons in particular because they are benign while waiting on cutscenes. That bloody Zorra shuffle was PaIn too me, every time. Some of the shit I used to say to him, oh man, wish I'd recorded all those times now. Wonder how many kids had this happen in the 90's, & never took it any further or it was just too much to go back & try over & over not remembering what they were doing at the time?

[@ProtoUnleashed]

7:33 where this ost from i cant remember

[@EbubechukwuChukwuma-oy7cr]

Ost, hmm

[@sydandpie146]

bomberman (forgot the version name) redial

[@sapphireglaceon]

IT JUST WORKS :D

[@GrannySingaporePVP]

3 min ago? LunaticJ video watch speedrun wr. I’m on the leaderboard

[@crazyfrogmix]

why would you mute out the key moment of the jarvitz video? ever heard of show, don't tell?

[@Nirakolov]

Factor cheaper than take out? doubt

[@ethank.2902]

Love that you used the bomberman hero music for a video on an N64 game. I’m getting all of the nostalgia!

[@jarvis]

at first i thought you were talking about me

[@TeacoreLeather]

Who even are you?

[@alexbenton226]

4:58 code spelled wrong

[@Coffeemancer]

how i get blue chicken?

[@ThatOneSpeedrunner]

Looks like Pepe

[@stonerbland256]

Its Frogge

[@Akuretaki_Nikolay]

Gg!

[@svihl666]

13:26 / 13:30

[@GamesintoMovies]

Do portal speed run,

[@VertUnderscore]

David Brandon Melissa Paul Connor

[@DJ_Level_3]

Oh no, time to lose another video's worth of time to speedrunning content!

[@aaronpriestley1500]

isn't that against the rules of a 100 percent run though?

[@BakedBanana]

oh?