How (Another) New Party Could Win the Dutch Election

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Back in July, the Dutch Prime Minister, Mark Rutte, called a snap parliamentary election and announced that he would retire from politics after more than a decade. A new party created not even a month ago has surged in polls, with an alliance and the current government following shortly after. But who can be the next Prime Minister, and what does this mean for the Dutch political landscape?
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[@echtblikbonen]

Note: Dutch coalition talks traditionally do NOT take a while. They have only taken long the last 2 times, since there has been significant splintering in parties, which means coalitions nowadays require more parties than they used to

[@pietermantel9498]

Well I don't see that trend discontinuing this election, I think we are going to have a long formation period again.

[@dutchman7623]

The VVD has become a party killer, everyone who works with them to share power are beheaded in the next election. Right now it's CDA and D'66 turn. From their programms nothing has been left alive during the coalition. It will be difficult to form any government with the black widow.

[@dissuxx7422]

It will only get worse with the amount of splintering. Every election there's like 10 new parties.

[@pr0use]

When in history did we notice multipe new parties at certain countries (rapid growth)? And what was the financial status during that time. What happened after that?

[@Quintinohthree]

@@dissuxx7422 We're likely to see splintering go down this election though. For better or worse 50Plus, BIJ1, even JA21 may fail to be elected this time around, while GL-PvdA runs a joint list. Really the only new party we're guaranteed to elect is NSC.

[@pimcramer2569]

Its not chaotic, it's just more democratic than a two party system with a house of nobles...

[@NachoCheesus]

Popularity contests between 30 pre-selected identical parties are very democratic. Definitely not fake.

[@goodgameproductions3039]

@@NachoCheesus they're not preselected. Any Dutch citizen may start a party for any reason and it will be listed on all voting papers. There is nothing prohibiting it and it has happened quite a few times over the years. Pretty democratic.

[@NachoCheesus]

@@goodgameproductions3039Sounds like you handed your brains over to the state propaganda outlets long ago.

[@jelmervd2l]

@@NachoCheesus 🤦🏻‍♂

[@odw32]

@@NachoCheesusAs someone who started a political party together with a few other students, collected the required 580 signatures, paid the entrance fee (€11k) from the Party's memberships, had said party listed on the ballot, and ultimately failed to get enough votes for a seat -- It's quite a bit of work, but the threshold to get on the ballot isn't very high in The Netherlands. And the parties definitely not "identical", I think there are few countries in Europe with this much variety.

[@fgconnolly4170]

Exit polls have put PVV on top so your prediction wasn't entirely correct

[@joostvhts]

Nobody's was

[@fgconnolly4170]

@@joostvhts ja klopt

[@NLTops]

There's nothing chaotic about it. Out with the old and in with the new. This is how multi-party democracy is supposed to work.

[@Thomas-xd4cx]

It's chaotic for the neo-fascists currently in power - they have orders from papa Klaus to keep a firm grip around the throats of Western nations. They really don't like it when a bunch of farmers and countryfolk start challenging their corruption.

[@globetrotter2126]

I do think that we need a higher entry requirement to prevent having too many parties

[@Wrackey]

@@globetrotter2126 On the other hand, it completely undermines any suspicion of our elections being only "for the elite" ..It's relatively cheap and easy to get on the ballot, but you do have to show you have support. Many splinter-parties also gives us a better representation for marginalized groups. Sure it's hard to deal with.. but that's how complex society is! To remedy this, Bigger parties can show they care about the "little guy"... parties can merge, as we see happening from time to time, or the way parliament functions could be optimized for it. I do see this as a problem, but I also think it's a great challenge ;D

[@Thomas-xd4cx]

So that it will become virtually impossible to get the cartel parties out because a grassroots movement these days may only grow if papa media likes you. Absolutely terrible idea@@globetrotter2126

[@globetrotter2126]

@@Wrackey 100% agree as well! Its so complicated and i think made more complicated than necessary. My vote will go to Pieter and hope he can make it a little bit better

[@toraqi8225]

Something worth noting is that NSC has not yet clarified their position on a few important issues, like the nitrogen crisis which was the driver for BBB to win the regional elections. Given that it has just formed I feel like many people are projecting their political opinions on a generally liked figure. Once their candidate list and a more concrete party plan have been announced and the novelty wears off I don’t know if the party will still have quite as much support.

[@JoshSweetvale]

BBB may ally with NSC (instant win) May get adversarial (giving an in to the left-wing if they ditch their climate agenda of their current leaders, and lean 'jobs') Or might end up neutrally disinterested, in which case they both find other dance partners. Only people the fascist one-man shows can court are the BBB tho.

[@shida420]

True

[@e33d90]

Just say you don’t like Omtzicht

[@Bastiolo48]

People vote for him because he has proven that he has integrity. Not because of policies. I'd rather have a prime minister whom I disagree with but who is at least trustworthy, than the other way around.

[@snapgab]

Yeah people have impossible expectations of him, his party platform will inevitably shatter most of those expectations.

[@bificommander7472]

It's been quite hilarious how the CDA, after helping Rutte stab Omzigt in the back and passing him over for leadership positions, was suddenly interested in having him rejoin the party. Right around the moment the snap election was called and Omzigt on his own was polling at more than ten times the votes the CDA was. Unsurprisingly, Omzigt said no.

[@nvelsen1975]

Why are lying? Omtzigt left by himself, because his ego got too big to fit inside CDA. He left. Nobody forced him. Maybe we should force him, since Omtzigt is still breaking the law by not revealing how much his friend Siewert Van Lienden paid him as part of their corrupt facemask deal.

[@CrippleX89]

CDA have always been a bunch of hypocrites

[@JL-zw7hi]

As a dutchie i'm here for the chaos. Good job on summarizing for international viewers.

[@soanyway6746]

Lol, my fellow Dutchie, enjoy ur self.

[@Zakdoekje]

Wacht even dan maak ik nog wat extra chaos: Pvv,Fvd,Sgp, ja21 aan de macht!

[@Sapphire901]

@@Zakdoekjehahahaha die partijen bij elkaar halen hooguit 27 zetels…

[@Zakdoekje]

@@Sapphire901 wel als iedereen zo denkt

[@dbs5212]

@@Zakdoekje Dat zou mooi zijn als iedereen zo denkt.

[@jortfransman8671]

As a Dutchman, I would say that this is very well explained, given how much is happening in Dutch politics right now. The news is developing so fast and most parties haven’t even published their programme and candidate list yet, so it’s just totally unpredictable right now what the results in November will look like.

[@StepwaveMusic]

Is it, though? VVD is rising again after the drop from before the holidays because people are apparently forgetful, and in the chaos of it all it wouldn't be a surprise if they just win again

[@JohnCup-yi4lt]

Forgetting 13 of not taking responsibility of all the mess that had been created by the vvd?

[@kerngezond6953]

@@JohnCup-yi4ltOh yes, that’s absolutely within the realm of possibilities.

[@dontcomply3976]

Dutch politics is so confusing

[@StepwaveMusic]

@@JohnCup-yi4lt they all realise that they are right leaning and there are no better options on the right than VVD (i.e. options that aren't populist)

[@dildo196]

as a dutchie I can say that I ABSOLUTLY LOVE the dynamic nature of our democratic system. It's faaaaaaarrrrr beter and less static as the duopolies in the angelsaxon world. democracies need a shake up once in while. at the same time our democratic institutions remain strong. there is no election denialism, less nepotism, less polarisation (no political dynasties), etc etc.

[@antimonycup7066]

There are downsides too. The small but very christian parties have been able to stop Education reform for five coalitions running (for fear of losing their little indoctrination factories) despite there being a house majority for that exact reform for over twenty years already. Every coalition that relied on these parties, their very first demand was always to keep their deeply christian schools.

[@Godfrey544]

You’re still a failed cultural declining vassal state suffering a demographic bomb into historical irrelevance though

[@CaptainKevinDarling]

​@@antimonycup7066But that problem also exists within two party systems. A group within a larger party can keep the majority hostage. Like the ERG in the conservative party in the UK. Only in that case is not as transparent and you have no direct influence by voting for another party.

[@antimonycup7066]

@@CaptainKevinDarling Granted.

[@nintendokings]

100% agree

[@sjoerdglaser2794]

Watching this to gage how accurate your international political coverage is EDIT: it's very good. Only things I would change are some minor additions, like why Omtzigt left the cda. He was ousted after some leaks memos of the previous coalition discussions, where they requested to find a 'job elsewhere'. A now famous quote

[@Leyrann]

And also: I think a mention that BBB and NSC are eating each other's votes, as well as absorbing "protest votes" that would previously have gone to PVV or some of the minor parties that weren't mentioned in this video, would've been nice for completeness' sake. But it's a decent summary all in all. As a side note, not something that could've been in the video considering the results were only published today, but a new poll seems to indicate that the GroenLinks/PvdA combination led by Timmermans is losing steam. They're now polling at only 13-14% of votes, with VVD being closer to NSC and BBB regaining some ground.

[@Flapdr01]

He was not ousted, he quit.

[@itsmederek1]

@@Flapdr01 He was made to quit, that is the same as being ousted. Functie elders is so respectless that nobody would stay after that leaked.

[@AliTahan25]

Accurate is debatable when he talks about the rest of the world.

[@itsmederek1]

@@AliTahan25 Fair, they don't tend to make egregious errors in my opinion however their content can be a bit simple and forced when it comes to more complicated scenarios.

[@calahara]

There's a mistake in the video, BBB doesn't say they won't work with PVV - would be odd as they've got new members who left PVV (CDA & ja21) to join them.

[@maartent9697]

Bruh if BBB gets elected I hope we get another Volkert van de Graaf to get rid of that cow, she will be the downfall of the Netherlands with her braindead policies

[@blamelagg2340]

I noticed that aswell. PVV inst far-right either. Kinda biased imo.

[@kittyvlekkie]

​@@blamelagg2340PVV is far right to me tho, their main point afaik is racism

[@unfairlive2]

Last time people tried working with Weelders it wasn't great, so I suspect no one will try that one again.

[@Jordidwaard]

@@kittyvlekkieyou dont seem to understand their party if you think “racism” is their biggest point, it just seems like you follow the media narrative.

[@Toto69584]

Not going to talk badly of you guys, you can’t get everything right. But it would be cool to see you do a post-mortem of this report in light of the election result and discuss where it was off the mark. Keep up the great content guys

[@siertje100]

7:17 correction: BBB and PVV might work together, theyre not that far apart on lots of issues and have considerable overlap in potential voters.

[@mariadamen7886]

The major difference is that BBB as the so-called defender of the farmers was funded by Bayer.

[@pvo983]

BBB even said on a talkshow (Op1) that they are not committing to excluding PVV or any other parties for that matter. @TLDR new EU this is infactual!

[@waltersteenvoorden252]

Eigen varkens eerst hahaha

[@henryjubeda7617]

BBB is a CDA splinter party and also extremely left oriented. They already agreed to having farmland seized.

[@Trazynn]

More smaller parties is better than a handful of large parties. These small parties don't hold much electoral weight but in return they're niche and bold enough to address issues that larger parties would gladly gloss over.

[@ttaibe]

Also smaller parties can grow up and show what they are made of. They can develop ideas and see how they play out and so on.

[@THO-BRO2000]

We have a lot of parties though. On the ballot, but also in our house of representatives. The previous general election ended up with 17 different parties getting into Parliament. This doesn't include people who have split from their party or started a new party. The Dutch house of representatives currently has over 20 different parties. Current polls project around 15-18 parties will make it into Parliament this time around. I totally agree that our system is way better than any two-party system, but I just wanted to make sure you know how many parties will make their way into the Parliament ;) Our political system isn't perfect, but I personally also believe that it's a way better system than (almost) any of the systems in other countries, but not everyone agrees with me regarding that xD

[@TypicallyThomas]

I won't be voting for Omtzigt but I'm glad he's polling well. He's a principled, good politician who seems to have his heart in the right place. Plus, I never trust someone who wants power and his disinterest in holding prime ministerial office makes me think he'd be great at being one

[@j4296]

It's worth mentioning that despite his condemnation of the scandal he had a part in creating it, being one of the people championing the bill at that time. Only when an opposition party memeber of the SP found out about the scandal, he suddenly changed his tune. He's done things like that all his career long. He's an opportunist that puts himself above the rest of his party all the time.

[@martijnkoning3354]

​@@j4296show us when he has done it multiple times

[@hungrymusicwolf]

@@j4296 "A politician was wrong once and when it was pointed out immediately changed his opinion" - this sounds like something we'd want in our politicians, not them doubling down on being wrong. People can be wrong after all. Also, I call bs on your "he's done things like that all his career long" statement. He literally stuck by the unpopular "Toeslagenschandaal" for years while getting bullied and harassed by his fellow party members at the CDA for it. Opportunist my ass.

[@bzuidgeest]

​@@j4296changing your opinion of something when proven wrong is not a bad thing to do.

[@j4296]

@@hungrymusicwolf There's a difference between changing your mind and doing whatever is more popular with your voters at the time. If you feel that doing whatever flavor of the day populism is the way to go, you might as well vote VVD, since that is what they seem to do every election cycle as well, despite causing the issues people are angry about.

[@JulianTheApostateEatingDoritos]

From a Dutchman, this is really accurate! It seems like you really understand the situation and what's happening

[@mtaufiqn5040]

​@@SteveTudescowhat are you implying?

[@mtaufiqn5040]

@@SteveTudesco get lost already

[@diegoyuiop]

Nice profile pic 👌🏼

[@RealConstructor]

@@SteveTudescoYes, we did and it was real normal/regular to do so in that age. In hindsight it was wrong. Indonesia however is still colonizing and occupying New Guinea and the Moluccan Islands until today, annexed the territories. And migrating Javanese people in high numbers over to these territories, where they are now the majority. That is far more serious because they know what having colonies and occupation does to indigenous people.

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

​@@SteveTudescocould you at least spell the name right?

[@dutchmapping1]

It should be noted the BBB leader (van der Plas) also doesn't want to be PM, and instead presented Mona Keijzer (former CDA prominent) as candidate.

[@jobt1999]

Classic one issue and big farm corp lobby party that offers no fixes. Bbb had simply a lot of wappie and protest votes

[@quincyquincy4764]

I do wonder how van der Plas is going to keep the BBB spirit alive with Mona Keijzer as PM. She's known, ambitious and ready to lead.

[@MisterJasro]

Yhea, the Netherlands basically get's three flavours of CDA

[@WhyDoesYTUseHandlesNow]

I respect the BBB, but when their solution was to "just keep farming and keep fishing" with no further plans I kinda lost all interest.

[@dutchmapping1]

@@jobt1999 Yep, you can see what people they attract with Keijzer joining and those two JA21'ers switching to them aswell. I always thought BBB would just collapse after some time, before the next election. I guess this just sped it up.

[@k.umquat8604]

Yeşilgöz: We will reduce immigration Also Yeşilgöz: *arrived to NL as a refugee when she was 7 years old*

[@markvanderknoop131]

Refugee and immigrants are completely different issues and a complete different approach.

[@khunjeau8393]

I’m impressed by your concise explanation of NL’s current political landscape..

[@user-ez7ls2du9c]

Concise explanation of the circus events? Very cool, but complete useless

[@diegosouza791]

PvdA-Groenlinks in second.....ohhhhh, god bless the Netherlands. Rough time ahead.

[@joaquin.5692]

God Bless the whole EU… Debt is going to be a problem, and if we lose Netherlands and the biggest defender of Financial Discipline to keep things in order, we’re all f*ckd up for sure.

[@Jajalaatmaar]

Remember that CDA had two chances to make Omtzigt their leader. - Once when party members narrowly voted against him in a leadership election. This was a dodgy online election that was audited afterwards because of inconsistencies. Omtzigt lost by 500 votes. - And another chance when the picked leader was too occupied in Covid times as health minister to be party leader. Then the party bosses picked the guy that got CDA down to 3 seats in the polls. He's being rewarded with an EU commisionership for it (one of the most powerful Dutch roles). Noone knows why, just weird EU political machinations. Absolutely fucking stupid. And terrible for the country.

[@GerbenWulff]

I think I know why Omtzigt wasn't allowed to lead the CDA: the CDA party leadership doesn't like Omtzigt, because he's against nepotism and nepotism is exactly the reason why the CDA leadership is in the seats they are in. As CDA leaders they don't have to try to improve the country (which they don't care about) but instead get a say in who gets which job.

[@1995pieter]

those are not weird EU machinations. just weird (and possibly corrupt) national machinations

[@Jay-dm9ql]

Furthermore, Hoekstra’s appointment to EU commisionership will weaken the Netherlands’s position in the European commission because Hoekstra will not obtain the same level of responsibilities as Timmermans had. For example, Timmermans had the position of vice-president in the EU commission, while Hoekstra will be a regular commissioner. On top of that, Hoekstra will have to report to the new vice-president on climate policy. This is the result of a series of concessions that were made by Ursula von der Leyen to the social-democratic faction in the EU parliament.

[@Jajalaatmaar]

CDA did pick a good guy to be leader now though. Bontenbal is one of the few Dutch parliamentarians that I really trust. I voted for him specifically last election. But it might be too late. @@GerbenWulff

[@thierryparte2506]

Hate to say it but that sounds like some globalist shih

[@maansmokers]

Mark Rutte's departure from politics is something all parties welcome with open arms here!

[@antimonycup7066]

Except he lied by omission (again), he will just leave _national_ politics, his next job will no doubt be political, whether it's at the WEF, NATO or the EU.

[@notusneo]

​@@SteveTudescoWTF does this even mean

[@AlexAnteroLammikko]

@@SteveTudesco Right, but your first comment was not english, it didn't make any sense.

[@RudenNijsse]

No. That’s just your bubble. He was (is) still very popular. But those whom don’t like him are very vocal.

[@martijnkoning3354]

​@RudenNijsse bro the polls said 70% didn't want him to continue, wdym a small amount that's loud.

[@joehoe222]

It's a good sketch what's happening in Dutch politics now, but it can use some extra notes to make it even more clear and why it's hell complex: - We have no electoral threshold. It means even a made-up party like 'The Party for Parties' can score a seat if they do well enough. That's why we have 19! parties now in parliament at the moment. - People are chosen by person first, party second. That means that if you have enough votes and want to go into the Chamber, you have the right to do so. When there are issues in your party, you can go out of your faction and go alone, even others can join your new faction. Parties call this seat robbery when they didn't got the personal votes, but were like 7th on the list and still want to separate. Mostly the 'dissidents' aren't coming back after next elections though. - The Netherlands always has been a country of coalitions, because of proportional voting. The percentages of the votes to parties decide how many seats there are. Not like the district system of 'Winner takes all'. That makes the forming of cabinets always a puzzle and one party to rule them all almost impossible. - The VVD was business minded and made most impact on those groups. But lots of social and other political issues are unsolved and became even worse in the meantime. It will be a hell of a job fixing those problems in the coming years or even decades. That gives a society in unrest about everything and makes the political climate even more unstable. Overall it's a big puzzle for next elections and it will be quite interesting to follow what happens next.

[@Quintinohthree]

We do have an electoral threshold. It amounts to a whole undivided seat. That is actually relevant because in all other elections we genuinely do not have any electoral threshold and quite often a party winning less than a whole undivided seat will still be assigned a remainder seat. Also, we had 17 parties in parliament by election. MP's going independent have resulted in that number rising to 21 groups so far. Dissidents are definitely not guaranteed to return but they often try nonetheless. Currently three parties (PVV, DENK and JA21) elected into parliament started as dissidents in previous terms and three of the dissidents of this current term have started parties of various succes (Den Haan with GOUD with no luck at all, Van Haga with BVNL with very moderate succes through 17 seats in municipal councils and 5 in water boards but failing to win a single seat in states provincial and therefore in the senate and currently polling at failure, and Omtzigt with NSC currently polling as the largest party).

[@nvelsen1975]

Curious to see what those 'unsolved issues' are. Hopefully not some leftwing lies like 'Healthcare collapsed!' or 'They did nothing about housing'?

[@deantjewie]

To your first point, it's not totally true that's why we have 19 parties. That's because when a parlementatiam leaves a party they become a new 1 person party in parliament, which happened a few times. You kinda mentioned this, but it's also part of why there are so many parties at the moment, not just the threshold thing

[@Trazynn]

@@deantjewie What he's saying is that due to the surplus seat, the Netherlands has a technical electoral threshold of 0,67% as that's the minimum amount of votes anyone needs to get a single seat and have a chance at that last remaining one being added to their party as well.

[@Njuregen]

We might need a 2% threshold so 3 seats, as a 1 seat party cannot manage itself well at all, they need 3 people minimal.

[@aappelman5639]

Wow, you guys are well informed!

[@samueldurston7328]

i live in the netherlands, so happy for finally some change

[@arpandas2243]

Can a coalition between fat right Omitgz and left wing Links Om happen.

[@TypicallyThomas]

​@@arpandas2243Omtzigt has publicly stated he's not interested in working with the far right

[@samueldurston7328]

@@arpandas2243 Omtzigt and his New Social Contract is hardly a far-right party. The video mislabelled the CDA (his former party) as centre-right, and although it has grown more conservative, it is still seen as the most centre party in Dutch politics. Omtzigt was always part of the more eurosceptic wing of the party before he left but his policies are very broad, attracting voters from the right to the left, thus gaining his many seats. His policy of security of existence is largely in line with what the PvdA wants, so yes it is a very good possibility if they both become one of the largest parties, but as it stands these two parties alone will not reach a majority in government.

[@marktg98]

@@arpandas2243 No. First of all, Omtzigt isn't far right, he's centre right, just like the party he left, CDA. Secondly, the Dutch far right, aka, FvD, PVV and JA21, would probably rather kill themselves than go in a coalition with Labour/Green.

[@pjhgerlach]

I also live in the Netherlands and know that things can become even worse.

[@Donus-ns2zt]

1:35 While Omtzigt technically "left" CDA, I think it fits better to say that he got bullied off.

[@fosfeen]

Fantastic summary!

[@VolrinSeth]

"Gurt While-ders' never fails to get a chuckle from me.

[@JaegerDreadful]

5:33 completely butched that name Ben, I understand why and no bad feelings but it is VERY funny seeing Brits pronounce names like this one.

[@johannbehrens]

I choked on my drink when I heard Ben pronounce Yesilgoz' name.

[@JaegerDreadful]

@@johannbehrens I did burst a laugh too. Hearing them pronounce Dutch names in a English way is one thing, but this is just so wrong.

[@JulianTheApostateEatingDoritos]

Does anyone else confirm wether TLDR news is accurate or not by watching video's about their own country?

[@stephenconway2468]

Based on the number of comments from the Netherlands, it seems quite accurate or at least it shows itself to be trying to be as accurate as possible.

[@mrhpijl]

All their videos on Dutch politics are very accurate

[@samueldurston7328]

they don't go into as much depth but they are accurate

[@TheBooban]

I think they are left bias in all their stories.

[@antimonycup7066]

Yes and they failed to mention Omtzigt doesn't have enough people he trusts around him to fill 30 seats, he'd rather artificially limit the maximum number of seats he can get than put people in seats he's not a 100% on. He's mentioned 12 but even in a pinch it's probably less than 20.

[@Benimation]

I LOLed at the pronunciation of Yeşilgöz-Zegerius, but then I realized most Dutch people don't pronounce it correctly either..

[@MarkyMoons]

Very informative video, well done on the research. Also, your Dutch pronunciation is really good!

[@koendos3]

you should have mentioned the “functie elders” omtzogt scandal. He was counted out from a minister job behing his back. And the documents where this came out, were leaked in a photograph.

[@martijnkoning3354]

And they lied about it

[@hungrymusicwolf]

And that likely wasn't the first time they did something like that to him considering he was treated as a problem, even by his own party, for years before that for standing up for basic principles of integrity.

[@Sas-md9vj]

Nu wordt het FUNCTIE OVERAL

[@mauritsbol4806]

It has been probably since 2012 (when i was 12) that i have been this engaged into dutch politics. It is really open now.

[@rogerwilco2]

Dutch politics is very open to change and the will of voters. Because of the proportional representation it is easy to form new parties and get at least some seats in parliament. The second result is that you always need a coalition to govern, which keeps the political discourse relatively honest, fact based and policy oriented, because today's opponents could be tomorrow's coalition partners. It might look a little chaotic to those not used to it, but I think it is the best kind of democracy.

[@istvanczap3004]

Only in pluralistic systems does your vote really matter and politics is not dividing people too much.

[@methos4866]

One worrying thing is that more people seem to be getting influenced by populist rhetoric. That's how the BBB even got to where it is now.

[@danielzhang1916]

It seems crazy to have 17 parties, I'm all for democratic choice, but that is kinda ridiculous to imagine, even if it forces parties to work together in coalitions

[@methos4866]

@@danielzhang1916 granted yeah 17 is a tad much. A lot of these are splinter parties and single issue parties.

[@risingphoenix02]

@@danielzhang1916 A lot of them are smaller parties either who either splintered away from larger ones or where newly created on issues not or very little talked about by the larger parties. Although this might look messy it allows voters to show their dis satisfaction with the larger party they would usually vote for and forces that party to either change to try and take back their old voters or continue course scared that changing might scare even more people of. It forces parties to change and grow and even sometimes produces a new one to take the place of a withering and dying old one.

[@B_men_apo]

Pieter omtzicht was also mentioned early in the last government formation as bedding to get a functie elders or (other job) meaning the government wanting to get rid of him because of his criticism of the previous government. Also the man got 5 seats of votes for the cda last time.

[@molybdane7240]

The BBB is losing in the polls right now probably because of them losing the 'counter-centrist' vote. What do I mean with the counter-centrist vote? This group consists of people who have grown disillusioned with centrist policies but are unwilling to vote (far) right or left. Counter-centrists also value the 'genuine democrat' brand that both Caroline van der Plas (BBB) and Pieter Omzicht carry. However, because of Pieter Omzicht's efforts in revealing abusive policies resulting in the childcare benefits scandal, his brand is the stronger than BBB's. I think that this is why voters flock to Pieter Omzicht and away from BBB. It will be interesting to see how Pieter Omzicht and the NSC hold up in the coming months. As the election campaign processes, the NSC might be able to rely less on Pieter Omzicht's image, as a result of having to profile themselves as not being a one-person party. The NSC might have some election scandals of their own or make strategic errors during the campaign. To be continued.

[@Jonas_M_M]

The "how-you-called-it" 'counter-centrist' vote is a phenomenon we see in other places too.

[@Aerostarm]

You explained that so patronisingly and condescendingly, it’s genuinely impressive

[@tamerlane9889]

Jreg politieke partij???????

[@FrietPiet]

I think you turned it around. I think it's not people who have grown disillusioned with centrist policies, but instead centrist people who have who have grown disillusioned with the current centrist party's politicians behavior.

[@captainvanisher988]

@@Jonas_M_M that's mostly because the bar for "centrists" has moved more and more into the left. So anything against that seems "far right". Ideologically, progressive moderates are the ones responsible for the decay and imminent downfall of the West.

[@20quid]

Of all the countries in need of electoral reform, the Netherlands doesn't exactly spring to mind.

[@playdischord1791]

Using provinces as electoral districts instead of having the whole country as a district is the only thing that I could see happening.

[@archmilan]

@@playdischord1791 Which is really more of a step back and a sort of grasping at straws to close the divide between the cities and rural folk, but places that have this system really don;t get better outcomes.

[@denzellmovies]

@@playdischord1791never once in my life have I ever heard someone advocate against proportional representation

[@MartijnterHaar]

That's probably because you don't know about the Eerste Kamer (First Chamber), the Dutch senate and the undemocratic, messed up way it is elected and functions. But the only thing that I would change about the way the Tweede Kamer (Second Chamber), the Dutch House of Commons, is elected is that I would grant Saba/St. Eustatius and Bonaire both a guaranteed seat, because otherwise those are completely forgotten about. Kudos to Omtzigt for putting them in his party logo. I believe Denmark has a similar system for Greenland.

[@MelchiorPhilips]

@playdischord1791 We already have electoral districts (kieskringen) that roughly coincide with our provinces. They just don't matter in the same way that they do in the UK or US because we have proportional representation.

[@GramenMystace]

BBB have not said that the party won't work with the pvv.

[@DarknessProphet]

"So it raises the prospect of New Social Contract joining a coalition..." You showed PVV there, a party which is fourth in polling, but Pieter has stated that he won't form a coalition with them regardless of the outcomes of an election.

[@beta_dot_exe]

Very accurate reporting, great overview of the political landscape in the race to succeed Rutte. Also very glad you mentioned that Yesilgöz (VVD) has not ruled out working with the PVV like Rutte, that’s some important context

[@Haeruna]

I seriously disagree with him calling GroenLinks and PvdA "Center left" though, its about as left wing as it gets in the Netherlands...

[@martinrages]

@@Haeruna Yeah there's no more CPN, although there is a NCPN but yeah that one has borderline 0 power.

[@MijmerMopper]

Hearing some of our party names transliterated like this really shows what a random mix of buzzwords they really are.

[@fabianschobinger2765]

This is normal. Swiss party names aren‘t a lot better.

[@solar0wind]

Here in Germany the names seem to be more accurate to their key points/historic key points. Die Linke = The Left: most left leaning party that usually manages to get into Bundestag Die Grünen = The Greens: environmental party FDP (Freiheitlich-Demokratische Partei) = Liberal-Democratic Party: the (neo)liberals. Part of the party is actually pro-freedom in all parts of life, e.g. pro LGBTQ+ rights, while the other part is just pro-freedom for companies CDU (christlich-demokratische Union) = Christian-Democratic Union: union of two parties that want to uphold Christian values... like corruption apparently AfD (Alternative für Deutschland) = Alternative for Germany: right-wing protest party

[@farhanatashiga3721]

That's how it should be, the name is at the forefront of your branding.

[@aramdeara1]

'gurt Wildurs' ah what beautiful pronounciation. 'Dielan Yeshielgooz' exquisite 😂

[@rrdam72]

BBB hasn't ruled out the PVV. Literally Van der Plas said "we don't exclude anyone or any party".

[@SapeHallward]

I read A new social contract and it's a great book. It explains alot about Omtzigt's views and values.

[@romenov8]

It should be noted that any coalition would also need a majority in the senate and while Omtzigt's party might become the largest in the 2nd chamber (equivalent to the house of commons), he has 0 presence in the 1st chamber (eq to house of lords) due to the provincial elections preceding the existence of his party. BBB on the other hand controls an insane 16 senate seats out of 75 which means they're indispensable for any centre-right coalition, even if they perform underwhelmingly in the national elections, with the GL/PvdA merger controlling a combined 14 should a centre-left coalition form instead. All in all I'm happy he's joining the elections, he's shown integrity which has been completely absent in Rutte era politics, and his place in the conservative centre is much needed in an election which is marked by increasing polarisation (ie the traditional centre-left PvdA joining the more radical GL, the centre-right CDA collapsing into a more populist BBB, and the VVD shifting right under Yesilgoz) to prevent another year long formation process.

[@hirsch4155]

How is a centre left block going to form a coalition then, without BBB? Seeing as GL/PVDA is eating up votes from D66, so progressive vote combined won’t even be that high in TK election, let alone the problem of a coalition without BBB that would command a majority in the eerste kamer. And CDA will have very few seats to add to a centre left government. So despite the good prospects of the left labour party, they have very few chances to make a government , even if they become the largest party. Will be interesting .

[@slavianalbanovich9025]

*center not centre

[@hirsch4155]

@@slavianalbanovich9025 where I live it’s spelled centre

[@slavianalbanovich9025]

@@hirsch4155 then you must live in a sad place

[@unluckygamer692]

@@slavianalbanovich9025 Average uneducated KZbin commenter

[@VincentCouwenberg]

Impressively accurate report of the current Dutch political landscape.

[@anoukk_]

Also important to note is the scandal of leaked documents, during the forming of a new coalition, revealing they wanted to keep Omtzigt out of play.

[@swaffelkonijn5166]

Dutch people on the internet: "OMG OMG, They are talking about us!! Must respond!!" "As a Dutchman...." (Guys, can we stop doing this)

[@onebigsnowball]

I know right, as if anyone cares, it's just going to be dutch people reading those comments anyway

[@ThePanMan11]

Honestly I am here to try and figure out our political landscape so I can make an informed vote in November. It's pretty helpful to distinguish between the opinions of people who live here and people who don't.

[@nintendokings]

Allemaal Nederlands hier

[@JoshSweetvale]

We're a cousin of the anglosphere. They should be honored by our wisdom.

[@RustyRogear]

😂

[@wp2746]

Mark Rutte fired a college, Mona Keijzer, without her consent. The first time in Dutch history this happened. And she is now the candidate for prime minister, she got fired because of the QR code you needed to visit bars etc.

[@wp2746]

Omtzigt didn’t just ‘left’ the party, he got bullied out. And suffered a burn out because of it. This is recognized general Knowledge in the Netherlands, and well documented even by the media.

[@ta-rm7xm]

nep ontslag net als bij functie elders van omtzigt....beide terug komen is een tactiek om stemmen te winnen...een groot toneelspel

[@Quintinohthree]

That's usually how firing goes. She got fired because she broke the constitution by voicing in public an opinion contradictory the policy of the cabinet she is a part of. Constitutionally all members of the the cabinet are required to speak with one voice about their policies.

[@mlgmeistros4278]

The first minute actually explains exactly what is going on. The only sidenote is that the farmers party is only halved in the polls. They currwntly occupy one seat and are still estimated to get like over ten seats.

[@Anonymous-_-69]

As someone from the Netherlands your explanation is great but i'm rolling from all the pronunciations. Keep it up and keep trying ;)

[@vihaanarora4675]

The Netherlands is singlehandidly the definition of how chaotic European Pollitics can be within a few minutes.

[@yesjo1456]

well, i guess it seems chaotic, but as a dutchman i feel like it's finally lively again after Ruttes never ending reign

[@Hendrik-jan-de-tuinman]

at least we have an functioning democracy

[@stephenconway2468]

It is lively and based on ideas and not ideology and slogans.

[@edgardebruin8398]

still way better then in the UK

[@user-wj5gj9ld8b]

13 years same guy in office chaotic GTFO

[@jrutgers77]

What everybody seems to skip over is that Pieter Omtzigt needs a lot of party members to fill the seats in parliament and maybe even ministers. this might become a problem if the right people can't be found. i have no doubt there will be enough interest in the positions, but he will need simulare minded people or they will become just another center leaning right party. And i agree, forming the kabinet is going to be a pain. Of the 4 leading parties the differences are big. For example, GL/labor isn't eager to work with PVV (and visa versa), and in total opposition to BBB. PVV also hasn't the best reputation, they have pulled the plug on things (or tried to) on issues close to resolution more than once. so yeah, this might take a year (again)

[@Quintinohthree]

I'd say GL/PvdA are unwilling to work with PVV at all and aren't eagers but perhaps willing to work with BBB. All three parties are working together in three of twelve provinces and they would have been in four if BBB didn't try to renegotiate their agreement just days after finishing negotiations and before official presentation, BBB and PvdA without GL are working together in a further three provinces.

[@zephyros256]

I could possibly see some coalition between the parties that have "social security" (bestaanszekerheid) as one of thwir spearpoints. Who knows, maybe for once a cabinet will have the agreement be less set in stone on subjects they have disagreements on (would make the parliament more involved on those topics).

[@jrutgers77]

@@zephyros256 i don't know. that would mean kabinet parties need to solicit votes on policy and law by the opposition on those topics.that probably isn't going to work. it could work on topics where the other has a more neutral stance. But on topics they are in full disagreement? that would cause issues. And going full minority kabinet? VVD still has a bad taste from that one. so doubt that will happen.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Or he could do what Wilders did and fill his party with crooks as bench warmers. Which Omzicht does *not* want to do. As for the BBB, I hope they've sorted themselves... but they haven't.

[@voorthuizen]

Bro, everyone retired, so we basically have a whole new cabinet😂

[@Imperial_stroopwafel]

I got an ad about a Dutch political party on this video. How ironic!

[@milantoth6246]

Seems like an overall great development since the last video. All 3 main options seem at the very least acceptable, which is a really uncanny phenomenon as an eastern european

[@belakiss1703]

Konkrétan

[@abbofun9022]

Indeed, Dutch are usually pretty opposed to extremists. It’s why PVV will not grow further

[@captainvanisher988]

@@abbofun9022 The only reason the PVV won't grow further is because the VVD went more right wing, so it retained their conservative following and NSC grabbed a bunch of its Christian vote that would be otherwise directed to PVV. But regardless of that, if "extremists" as you call them don't rise up and make a change in the West, Western civilization will fall. The Dutch will just join in with the Americans, the British, the French (or whatever is left of them), the Germans, the Swedish etc. The West is dying and progressivist moderates are responsible for this.

[@thedutchgamelife6264]

@@abbofun9022 opposed? Pim Fortuyn came quite far, FVD Made a jump too when covid started. the fact PVV is third largest is extremely worrying, especially with the growing number of extreme rightism and fascism in Europe. PVV is probably too far gone by now, but the dutch are far from against extremism. if another populist shows up, they'll happily vote for it again like all other times, even if its a fascist

[@abbofun9022]

@@thedutchgamelife6264 I meant to say that it is unlikely extremists will grow to make for an unavoidable majority. There will always be a % of folks who vote for them but it is limited and manageable.

[@toyotaprius79]

The BBB are not for small and squeezed farmers, it's painfully clear

[@ta-rm7xm]

nep ontslag net als bij functie elders van omtzigt....beide terug komen is een tactiek om stemmen te winnen...een groot toneelspel

[@MrAronymous]

They're literally founded by the big agri firms as a protest fringe movement to further their talking points that unexpectedly took off. Astroturfing, as it's called. Yet somehow people are blind to that?

[@mikaxms]

6:32 Keep in mind that in order to pass a bill the government needs a majority in the house of representatives (Tweede Kamer) and the senate (Eerste Kamer). So, the new coalition will probably need BBB for a majority in the senate.

[@tgouveia1151]

BBB is now further to the right so I don't see a government with PVDA-GL and BBB

[@Quintinohthree]

Basically whatever government is formed will require a minimum of two of the three biggest parties in the senate, so BBB, GL/PvdA and VVD. CDA might go down hard this election but as the fourth largest in the senate with 6/75 seats they may still be a deciding factor.

[@royperdok5428]

as a Dutcvh person, I am surprised by how accurate this video was. Good job.

[@wile123456]

Now Rutter can return to his origin and true place. Grilling in his backyard like the true centrist he is

[@Jonas_M_M]

hahahahahaha

[@AnymMusic]

I feel like NSC will be at least a bit more sticky than other parties. Reason being that Omtzigt has been a massive whistleblower and pain in the ass for the now defunct Rutte coalition. He's like the anchor to keep stuff grounded

[@nico210]

Voting for "pain in the ass" rather than for a project is the reason why lowlands politics has become a dumpster fire. Not that there's any project to begin with, but in the political market no one is asking for projects, rather comedy. That's what happens when politics is made a commodity iso a common good.

[@JoshSweetvale]

​@@nico210NSC's project is oversight reform.

[@jojojorisjhjosef]

Im here for the pronunciations.

[@MVO884]

We in the Netherlands dont have a two party system, and the gouverment always will be formed by 2, 3 or sometimes 4 different political parties .

[@SemKeemink]

It is always so strange to see my country in foreign news 😅

[@MDE1992]

BBB didn't ever rule out coalition talks with the pvv, and Pieter Omtzigt only said it would be improbable with their current stances.

[@Bosgek0]

Very good summery. However, the numbers are much less reliable that they used to be. Major polling companies have stopped isseuing percentages as this "chaos" makes them less reliable. This means that aggregate percentages you get in the Dutch news are less reliable that they used to be. It's now +/- 5%pt off. So really we can only conclude NSC is very big, BBB and CDA become smaller etc. But there is no real difference between VVD, NSC and GL/PvdA. Please keep the reliability of the polls in mind for good journalism, especially with this Dutch election.

[@bastaardzmuller]

Love the Britisch prenounciation of Peter Omzigged 😂

[@antimonycup7066]

Omtzigt has too much integrity and not enough trustworthy candidates to 'quickly' fill 30 seats, so he won't. One number he has named in an interview recently is 12 as to how many seats he could confidently fill at this time. Even with some wiggle room, he'll not fill more than 20 seats for sure, and he'll artificially limit the maximum votes he can get by selectively not participating in some voting districts.

[@samueldurston7328]

I don't think he will take his name off the ballot in some voting districts, I think more so he is going to have specific stances that are very niche and diminish his support for the more left with and further right wing voters, thus making smaller his voteshare and allowing controlled growth

[@antimonycup7066]

@@samueldurston7328 Taking his name off the ballot is a reasonably exact method to go for a seat maximum, your proposal isn't. A situation where he gets seats he can't fill is something he will avoid at all cost.

[@bzuidgeest]

If he does that would be a mistake. If he doesn't show he can change things, he will suffer the same fate as any other new party. You cannot do what he wants to do from the backbenches or by reducing his share of seats. He will be blamed for not reaching his goals. So it's better he fills the seat with people he trusts a little less than not at all. And for heaven's sake. They are politicians, you cannot trust them ever. You can only have politicians where their desires coincide with your own.

[@utilitymonster8267]

This is not true. He has never said to not participate on some districts,

[@MisterJasro]

@@bzuidgeest At which point he will be blamed for filling his backbench with turn coats. Really it's a lose lose situation. It might not be great for this election cycle, but if does hold back it might be better for the longevity of his movement.

[@ricequackers]

Wish we had someone like Omtzigt in the UK who was keen on reforming our core political structure, electoral system and civil service, because we really need to clean house just as much.

[@eddiecalderone]

Oh God No

[@ttaibe]

If one country need someone like him it would be the UK, I agree. But then again, he wouldn't survive the political climate. Possibly literally. He got a burn out in the Dutch political climate.

[@eddiecalderone]

@@ttaibe Absolutely no way, someone like him is needed never mind wanted in the U.K. political scenario…

[@Pedrorcs]

Can someone help me find the "Pieter Omtzigt new regional electoral system"? I've searched for it but only found one link, and it was behind a paywall If you know the basic you can just let me know too. thanks (:

[@marym7104]

Within 4 days!

[@markPwilliams]

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[@user-cd5jh9zr9e]

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[@markPwilliams]

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[@user-cd5jh9zr9e]

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[@markPwilliams]

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[@user-cd5jh9zr9e]

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[@waso778]

Orban get a new friend, Wilders 😅

[@SuperPassionflower]

I think for most non-Dutch people whatever has been going on and will be going on in Netherlands in the context of Politics is very confusing (assuming one would be interested, since NL is such a small country.. this is not.. America.. Bowie song) I think this actually is a very good attempt to make some things clear, so thank you!! Now: we have so many parties by now that it's getting harder and harder for me to determine who to vote for!

[@ronia8653]

The BBB never ruled out to work with the PVV. They now even got a former PVV-member in their top 5

[@theconqueringram5295]

The Netherlands has a lot of different political parties, nice.

[@parmentier7457]

You will be surprised what kind of political parties. Party for the Animals (very popular with vegans and nature lovers), Bij1 (Woke party led mainly by Dutch people of African descent), Denk (Islamic Party), SGP (Bible party), GL (highly educated/students), PVV (anti-Islam party ), ChristenUnie (Christian), VVD (entrepreneurs party), SP (Communists), FvD (anti conspiracy party), and so on.

[@breadstick4458]

@@parmentier7457seams a better way than taking every issue in the world and dividing them into two colour coded options…

[@MijmerMopper]

Last elections there where 31 party's on the ballot, 89 had applied to be on it.

[@theatheistbear3117]

@@breadstick4458I love actual democracy.

[@nicobruin8618]

BBB's main reason for shrinking is Omzigt's new party. BBB has not ruled out working with Geert Wilders (PVV).

[@bootmii98]

But the video says they have ruled out working with the PVV

[@sheeple04]

​@@bootmii98the campaign leader of BBB said last week that they wouldnt rule out PVV nor FvD (Forum voor Democratie). Error on TLDR's end.

[@nicobruin8618]

@@bootmii98 and the video is wrong. I'm Dutch, I follow the party leader on twitter, she said she didn't rule out any party, calling it unfair to the voters.

[@theatheistbear3117]

@@nicobruin8618Working together is what democracy is. If we can’t do that, then it all falls apart.

[@JoshSweetvale]

BBB is a single-issue party, 'stop hyper-enviromentalism way ahead of the rest of the world.' Sane. Wise even. Omzigt and NSC however offer _structural_ solutions. Or at least an attempt to implement them. BBB is jumping on the brakes. NSC is looking out of the damn windshield.

[@danimalplanet18]

One small detail about a possible working together between VVD and PVV is that even together they would come short to govern and that help is needed from a third (and even fourth) party that already have excluded the possibility to work with PVV. On top, Wilders and his PVV are opposed to members of government with dual nationality, something that current VVD-leader Yisilgöz-Zegerius actually has and by law cannot be undone. A last sidenote and it's no one's fault, but I personally find it extremely difficult to unhear the rhotacism of the narrator. It has a distracting effect and I sometimes need to listen to the same fragment twice, in order to focus on the content rather than the distracting factor.

[@verward]

I love how none of the party names make any fucking sense.

[@lighting7508]

It’s messy it’s complex but ultimately THIS is what I like about proportional representation. there is NO WAY a protest vote for the farmers party would’ve worked in the UK. Dutch people have an immense amount of control over their politics

[@MijmerMopper]

You mean ReMarkable, the PR business that founded the BBB

[@huubhuijbens8816]

It's very messy and it really has his flaws like the BBB (which is just a PR-company) and every lunatic can make a party and become part of parlement, which also happens and that's why we have quite some parties. But it is so much better then a two party system, where you get votes from anti-voter for the different party. In a way it's not democratic how people don't vote on a party because of the party itself. The USA has a massive mess with the Trump years of presidency because a lot American simply dislike Hillary Clinton.

[@Velocity3644]

"Gurt Wilders"🤣

[@ForelliBoy]

just another week in the parliamentary system :y

[@mylenekruger9222]

Actually, the BBB is not ruling the PVV or anyone else for that matter out, they are open to negociate. NSC has also retracted and shwon willingness to talk, so the PVV is not only depended on the VVD to rule. Other then that, great video.

[@gio3061]

Gurt Whileders is my favourite Dutch politician

[@edgardebruin8398]

he is a racist

[@user-wj5gj9ld8b]

geert wilders is the name

[@mtaufiqn5040]

Dutch people should elect him and seeing the destruction of netherland unfold

[@Jajalaatmaar]

I love Weird Gilders.

[@lennartvanderree6092]

Very good video, coming from a Dutch person

[@RudyBleeker]

0:44 "So what on Earth is going on in Dutch politics?" Being Dutch and having to vote soon, it looks like I've come to the right video.

[@user-zk5td6px6d]

*Correction: The BBB, along with Yesilgüz, didn't exclude the PVV.

[@14dimitri]

Its so interesting to see how foreigners are interested in Dutch politics

[@Jajalaatmaar]

The Netherlands has some of the most expats and migrant workers.

[@Pizzatime8612]

Foreigners?lmfao

[@onebigsnowball]

@@Pizzatime8612 yeah it's mostly dutch people watching this lol

[@Qwerty.240]

​@@onebigsnowballnot at all, I live in India and still watch this. European politics is always interesting no matter the country😂

[@14dimitri]

@@onebigsnowball@Pizzatime8612 it that so? Have we come to the point that we rather hear about our domestic news from a foreigner and rathere speak with each other in English en Dutch ?

[@ckq]

This is the first time I've heard of Dutch politics and it seems so much better than America

[@Cl0ckcl0ck]

Yup, no uniparty here. If you mess up you'll get punished hard as a party because there is always at least one alternative that comes pretty close (except that there are no real far-right parties). Sadly you'll get punished less hard as politician which people like Timmermans, Hoekstra and Keyzer prove. There are still far too many career politicians here and they give each other functions and jobs.

[@nvelsen1975]

We're the opposite really. The US is a two party system dedicated to sabotaging eachother. We've got 19 parties total and 1/3rd of seats are wasted on tiny protest-parties or people that are impossible to work with.

[@ttaibe]

I agree with clockclock. Also we have a proportional voting system. Which means every vote matters. No Gerrymandering for example. You don't have to register your vote either.

[@mailthedragon]

Peter Omzigt was set to run the CDA in the previous elections but was set aside by the party. He still ran and got enough named votes to get at least 4 of the 9 CDA seats (off course he only got one). This indicates he has had a large following for quite some time.

[@nathaniellong4281]

I don't live in the Netherlands, but I care about one thing: what are the various parties positions on continued support for Ukraine? The VDV(is it VVD?) probably still wants to, given it was Mark Rutte's party, and Mark remains supportive up until the very end, announcing 42 F-16s for Ukraine in the past couple of weeks.

[@MartijnterHaar]

Expect broad agreement with maybe some difference in details. Only the far right PVV and FVD are against support for Ukraine as is Bij1, a left-wing party with a high tankie contigent, but they will most likely loose their only seat, because the party is in complete disarray.

[@ttaibe]

@@MartijnterHaar what is a tankie contigent?

[@zephyros256]

​@@ttaibetankies is (afaik) generally used to refer to people who supported the soviet union (and now by extension russia) without much criticism due to "reasons". I think nowadays it is more of a "western imperialism bad, Russia is fighting against this, so Russia (even if they have their own imperialism) good".

[@MartijnterHaar]

@@ttaibe Tankie was originally a British pejorative for communists who still supported the Soviet-Union after the tanks rolled into Hungary and Czechoslovakia. Nowadays it is still used for Soviet apologists (which there are getting more of somehow), but also more broadly for any lefties who hate the USA and NATO so much that they take a 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' approach to regimes like Iran and Russia or fall into the "war is bad, we should negotiate a peace deal with Putin" trap.

[@markholland7322]

Looking from Belgium, where I set up camp, the Dutch like their media-phenomenon, as Dutch appear to vote for those politicians that show up the most in the media, especially appear in tv shows. Omzigt may win the elections, which in my opinion would mean a continuation of current politics with only some corrections in the areas that proved to be needing some adjustment. And personally I think the BBB will show its incapability even more, after the Provincial Elections earlier this yera have shown that it is a political party without ideas, resulting in the fact that although the BBB is in government of most provinces, the policies in these provinces has hardly changes at all. I predict continuity in ideas, but with novel political parties

[@dutchman7623]

BBB did not show any identity, not even regarding true farmer support. By taking in right wing politicians from established parties, they even lost their 'fresh wind' image. Just like LPF, PVV, JA21, and Forum, they will go down in a self created moor. In fact nothing much changed on this right wing, just the party name.

[@R1ckj333]

Geen idee dat Nederlandse verkiezingen door het buitenland gevolgd worden.

[@JamailvanWestering]

Dat zowizo je hoort er niet veel over omdat het altijd wel redelijk stabiel is geweest en er nooit echt grote drama in de politiek is geweest.

[@mtaufiqn5040]

​@@SteveTudescotrolls don't deserved a youtube account

[@R1ckj333]

@@JamailvanWestering Inderdaad

[@R1ckj333]

@@manny022 I had no idea, However, I do not think that our politics are a good mesaurement of European politics.

[@patrick-bu3eq]

Klein Nederland syndroom KNS@@R1ckj333

[@Doejedingdoejedans]

In theorie (like we say it), this system works wonderful. In reality, it doesn’t work as well as you might think, there has not been a change in a long time. The coalition (the group that is currently in “power”) don’t (usually) agree about really important decisions they need to make, so decision making takes a long time. Still a country that is rich and well organised, but more polarised then outsiders think.

[@chlorophyllphile]

Yeah, usually coalitions just postpone decisions they can't agree on and move the problem to the next coalition.

[@marcbrasse747]

It’s very improbable that Rutte’s VVD will have strengthened its position as the graph suggests. The VVD has always had a tight knit core but these people presently seem to be the only ones still believing in the party. So I wonder which source you have used.

[@superduperfreakyDj]

The Netherlands is the prime example of how centrism can just be as populist as the parties we'd traditionally label populist

[@washedtoohot]

This resonates so much with my beliefs

[@JJLGamingNL]

These are going to be the most interesting and unpredictable national elections in years! I'm a Dutchman and unlike the previous couple of elections, I have no idea who will be the Prime Minister a year from now. Could be Timmermans, could be Mona Keijzer (BBB's candidate), could be Yesilgoz, could be whoever Pieter Omtzigt picks. Very exciting! Those 'new politics' we were promised when Rutte was nearly impeached two years ago seem to finally have arrived!

[@Psi-Storm]

What type of coalition possibilities are you seeing? I doubt the greens can find common ground with the BBB, so more likely a grand coalition with the VVD instead of a center left one? Center plus right seems to be missing a majority.

[@JJLGamingNL]

@@Psi-Storm The BBB and PvdA/GL have been cooperating in the provinces already. It will be a difficult negotiation but I think there's a lot of common ground on socio-economic issues. D66 with BBB would never work, but BBB and PvdA/GL, especially with the mediating influence of CDA-aligned NSC? I can see it happening. So I'm envisioning, for example, PvdA/GL, New Social Contract, and BBB with one more party, for example CU, DENK, or even the remnants of CDA. Centrist culturally, center-left economically. But yeah, a grand coalition of PvdA/GL with NSC and VVD is probably more likely.

[@zephyros256]

​@@JJLGamingNLIt would to a certain extend also depend on how all-encompassing or "dichtgetimmerd" they (the forming parties) want their coalition to be. We could see a break from previous cabinets (where everything was sort of "laid in stone") with the upcoming cabinet making agreements on key subjects and subjects they alrrady largely agree on and leave controversial (those that have opposing stances within the cabinet) to be fought about in parliament.

[@JJLGamingNL]

@@zephyros256 God, I hope so. I think Omtzigt has stated that he wants a 'thin' coalition accord. Doing everything in separate committees, while it can help with governability, is not great for democracy. And y'know, Rutte IV was one big 'achterkamertje' and it was barely governable.

[@joaquin.5692]

@@JJLGamingNLwouldn’t it be a little bit weird for BBB to work with the former EU VP for climate issues? I mean Timmermans is responsible of the EU politics that caused the protests where BBB came from.

[@Student-cs2ws]

It’s a big misunderstanding that the largest party is to deliver the Prime Minister. If the largest party within a certain coalition of three parties has fewer seats than the other two parties combined, the other two parties could block the largest party when it wants its own PM candidate to be installed, since the proposed PM must gain the support of the majority of the coalition. Even if Greenleft-Labour is to become the biggest party, I will still not think it to be likely for Timmermans to become Minister President.

[@MijmerMopper]

Avoiding the largest party is theoretically possible but would be an amazing abnormality. Akin to the US President being Third Party. Theoretically it isn't even needed that the PM or any other minister a member of any political party, just that a majority of the Parlement agrees with the eventual list.

[@sergeantmajor_gross]

One small mistake: BBB is willing to work together with PVV.