HOW ARE YOU A LAWYER!? Civil Conservative Debate Blows Up 🤯

Shapiro video kickstarts debate that turns into a heated debate after Pisco joins in...
ORIGINAL BEN SHAPIRO VIDEO ON TRUMP
• Trump Is NOT Hitler
Date: 27 Dec, 2023
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00:00:00 Teaser / Intro
00:01:06 Destiny reacts to Shapiro's Trump video
00:03:50 Destiny admits to being wrong
00:07:49 The real fear of Jan 6
00:15:38 Destiny debates conservative on Trump
00:32:48 Trump wasn't happy with election outcome
00:44:54 "Is it wrong for Trump to toss out the election?"
00:51:49 Lawyer Pisco enters the debate
00:52:55 Conservative expresses shock at Pisco for having a law degree
00:53:47 Conservative tells Pisco to F off!
00:57:48 Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's not bad
01:04:56 If Trump asked Pence to toss election then it's illegal
01:06:27 Trump's legal team...
01:08:46 "That is not something I can prove..."
#destiny
#politics
#debate

[@destiny]

Conservatives TRIGGER Destiny In HEATED Jan 6 Debates ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYPJe4p4hL2cra8

[@danilopompey754]

Destiny, these people have to know that those words are written and fed to Trump, likely by Stephen Miller. QED

[@michaelmikita3953]

​@@danilopompey754 You sound like shapiro. Trump is a grown ass man, not a baby. Quit treating as such

[@danilopompey754]

@@michaelmikita3953, wow aren't you the dumb one, not knowing your own name. That is point one. Two, the infamous southern racist George Wallace who ran for president was also not a "baby," your word, and also "grown," also your word, and all his inflamatory words, all of them, were written for him by his speech writer. So, if you have a point, I surely missed it. QED

[@bradadult2075]

Good debate strategy! Just ask questions and never answer anything and by default you don’t have to defend anything, you been watching to much hasan

[@bradadult2075]

Pence saying Trump said this… is hearsay and is not considered evidence

[@cogsworther1639]

"Your honor, when I presented a knife and asked for that man's wallet, I couldn't possibly be "mugging" him. That would be illegal and therefore impossible. I was simply visited with unceasing and consistent delusions that this man was so eager to obtain a set of steak knives that he would immediately hand over his wallet upon being presented with one despite my many, many lawyers telling me not to"

[@ReleaseMyKrakken]

This was so good. Thanks for a hell of a laugh 😂

[@noirangel8292]

Bravo 👏

[@LesterBrunt]

"I even said "hand me the wallet, but do so freely and with your consent", that proves whatever this so called 'victim' did was his own choice and therefor by definition not a crime. Checkmate".

[@LesterBrunt]

@@soulreaver64 Not if I say the words "do so freely and with consent". Then it magically becomes a free choice. Just like if you rile up your voters with months of hysterical narratives about the election being stolen from them and that the country will be lost of they don't 'do something about it', organize a 'stop the steal' protest at the capitol, get thousands of people in a frenzy with violent rhetoric and then have the president order them to march on the Capitol in order to pressure the vice president to undo the results of the election, and they do so and turn into a voilent mob that fights for hours with the police, you only have to say the words "peacefully" and magically you haven't engaged in an insurrection.

[@frozenfresh6406]

Thank you so much Destiny, I can't bring words to express my gratitude. When you sped up Ben Shapiro's speech I felt the flow of time stutter and bend and got to see my grandma again, she passed a decade ago, I missed her so much 😭😭😭

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

Why hasn't he debated him yet, is he afraid?

[@mikahaugland7002]

@@just_a_turtle_chaddestiny is scared of bens facts and logic unfortunately

[@thought_farm]

​@@just_a_turtle_chadapparently its happening next month

[@Relight895]

@@just_a_turtle_chad 13 Jan or some shit I think

[@hurkamur1]

I was listening on 2x, and I got to see my great grandmother

[@Fjaloeat1]

Ben’s defense of Trump not being an authoritarian because he’s too stupid doesn’t make any sense. Especially when in the same breath he calls Biden an authoritarian despite constantly mocking how senile and incognizant he is.

[@seavpal]

"My feelings don't care about facts." - Bennyboy if he had any capacity for self-reflection

[@Sturla-Tyr]

Ben is using that defense because he's brainroted from being a part of the Conservative (see: authoritarian) party his whole life. Their enemy is always both strong and weak, while they themselves are always weak but strong. It's the classic tactic that's been used for centuries.

[@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261]

We have come full circle, guys! We have finally cornered the Trumpers into agreeing with what we suggested all along: that Trump is an incompetent and braindead toddler and he’s too stupid to know what he’s doing. Cognitive dissonance will push people to adopt wild positions…

[@mrpumperknuckles1631]

Wouldn’t using courts to try to push for prosecution of their political opponent to disqualify him from being an option for a vote of the people isn’t authoritarian? It’s anti democratic to try to use judicial systems and judges to force your opponent out of any possible chance of them losing political power… Justin Trudeau actually was caught doing the same thing last election as well… Biden shown his abuse of power with foreign government agencies threatening to take away aid money (which is illegal to practice coercion with federal aid money) When it comes to investigating his son hunter back during the Obama administration… Regardless I don’t think people understand what authoritarian actions really are especially destiny in this sense because all he mentioned was proclaims made by people on his political side of the view side and listen to biased untrustworthy value points. MSM and news journalism is dead. I’m sorry but it is and politics and corporate America was the one who killed it. Destiny is just bad levels of blind faith in system integrity of trust,

[@mrpumperknuckles1631]

@joemaxwell6826they actually do suffer a lot more recently… there’s recently a lot of violent attacks on Christian’s, Jews and Muslims in America but it’s more commonly seeing a rise in Jews but Christian discrimination is on a rise as well… if you actually taken time to research this you would learn about it.

[@rebeltraitor3543]

This guys argument was literally "he couldn't have broken the law, it would've been illegal"

[@datoxx7977]

One of the most important and elegant arguments in human history.

[@rrobotunicornattack]

Seriously, these people act like democratic governments haven't been overthrown by skirting or straight uo ignoring the law. Just because there were enough honest people in your system this time doesn't mean that an attempt to overthrow the election wasn't made. It's hilarious to see Trump defenders use both this and the "Trump is just a stupid moron who did an oopsie" argument.

[@haverjr]

Therefore impossible. Like wtf is he going on about. Making things illegal doesn't mean people won't try/are not able to do them it just expresses the punishment for certain actions if caught. Its like saying it's illegal to murder. Therefore, no one would attempt to murder someone else as it's impossible due to it being illegal. Its this weird circular argument all around a misunderstanding of what illegal means and how illegal actions function within a society.

[@Dreammuncher]

"Your honor, my client is innocent of attempted murder, as you can clearly see the victim is alive"

[@jessie6600]

@@haverjrbut what Trump has done is LESS illegal as a president than Biden. He didn’t try to “forgive” student loans by bypassing Congress, or try to force people to take the vaccine. The illegal stuff Trump has done has been out of office not in it

[@Rohtix]

"Donald Trump had no evidence to believe the election was stolen." "He doesn't need evidence!" "Donald Trump was trying to circumvent the system and get the house to vote." "You need to show me that!" Gotta love it

[@charlyGnarly187]

It's almost as if different standards of evidence are required in different situations

[@Nikifuj908]

​​@@charlyGnarly187 If you don't think evidence is needed to question the results of our entire electoral process (after losing all court cases disputing the outcome), you are lost in the sauce

[@AnorexicPandas]

Pretty wild

[@craigpoer]

​@@Nikifuj908I wish 1 court would have even look at th cases. Thanks for the msbnc version.

[@LeChairman]

​@@craigpoerYou seem like the Zodiac Killer. I have no concrete evidence for this, of course. Nonetheless, it's only reasonable that you're brought to trial, no?

[@jawad-0]

destiny the type of guy to watch ben shapiro at 2x speed

[@proutytyler1]

A true DGGer watches Destiny watching Ben Shapiro at 2x speed, at 2x speed.

[@JoshC-End-Abortion-Fear-God]

Same

[@rikachiu]

I was going to comment I watch Destiny at 2x and therefore I listen to shitpiro at 4x speed and fully understand his incoherent and dumb takes

[@Nergal667]

I need to listen to Ben at 0.25x

[@MunchinOnDew]

Wow that’s totally the first time that’s been said

[@bean-pod]

I can't believe the latest trumpel defense is "Hes Delusional, its OK". Jesus Christ

[@BluntforceJ]

It's just delusion, bro.

[@MunchinOnDew]

Who said that? Oh, that was just your uncharitable and extremely exaggerated characterization of what was said. Got it

[@lukaswithakay]

@@MunchinOnDewIf no one can ever state your opinion back to you, you’re either intentionally lying, or you need to get better at communicating. The guy’s argument was literally “Donald Trump did try to get the election overturned, but he did it because he’s genuinely delusional.”

[@bordedup546]

​@@MunchinOnDew Travis did say just that though

[@dawnkeyy]

​@@lukaswithakay"But also he wouldn't do any of it because it's not possible legally"

[@ProfessorSkottey]

How many times can someone say "I feel like" before they realize they're not operating on any factual or legal ground?

[@seavpal]

You'd be surprised, especially in social "sciences".

[@actionalex3611]

He´s like "One guy tried to rob Fort Knox with a kitchen knife, that would not be possible so no crime" SMFH

[@ProfessorSkottey]

​@@seavpal In a legal debate, the only thing that matters are the facts and the legal accountability. The endless "I feel like" is the last thing you want to hear in a legal debate.

[@seavpal]

@@ProfessorSkottey good point, though in science all that should matter is the fit between a predictive model and reproducable data, there shouldn't be any feelings in there either.

[@ProfessorSkottey]

@@seavpal Are you avoiding the substance of this debate, and my posts, to try and spin this into a random trans debate? Please clarify your response, because the ambiguity of the substance in them leads me to only one conclusion, and I don't want to assume. What is the relevance of your point, in regards to the substance of this debate, or of my posts?

[@FatherManus]

58:40 Travis’ brain short circuited. His whole argument fell apart and he didn’t know how to deal with it.

[@haverjr]

And instead of addressing the argument he instead immediately jumps to personal attacks around "and you're a lawyer!!??" Because he knows he does not want to say Biden as vice president had the unilateral power to reject Trumps delegates and hand the election to Hillary, but he does want to say Pence had that power. It's a blatant double standard that can not be ignored.

[@ethan22951]

"Oh did you see my wonderful reddit post." Kind of revealed the whole video.

[@TheGreatMilksteak]

You could hear the elation and pride in his voice!

[@thisisnothappening8452]

I think he's kinda cute. Just be nice bro.

[@LoudWaffle]

"I have to leave in a minute so wrap it up." - 25 minutes of video remaining 👀

[@BluntforceJ]

First guy said you can't prove that Trump knew he lost. Less than a minute later he said Trump genuinely believed he won. How can he prove that? That's a rhetorical question.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

In court, you cannot opine on the mindset of another, but it is still the duty of the prosecution to establish mens rea. Which is essentially the mindset that the defendant intended the crime. Of course, people rarely admit they wanted to do bad things - but you can establish it through a preponderance of evidence. In the case of Trump, it is overwhelming: he knows he lost.

[@popermen694]

Because the guys mind was completely melted by Trump. And he had no clue just because he magically decided he’s not a Trump supporter. He was doing whatever he could to magically say anything that went against him could not be known yet anything that made his points work, was always knowable.

[@MunchinOnDew]

Then let’s assume you can’t know either. That’s as good as assuming he genuinely thought he won. The only actionable issue is if he knew he lost, but if that can’t be proven, then you’re shit out of luck. Your point here is moot

[@MunchinOnDew]

@@garythecyclingnerd6219having people around him tell him he lost does not mean trump believed the same thing.

[@lastnamefirstname8843]

The difference is that you have to prove he knew to convict, but you don’t have to prove he didn’t know in order to have a reasonable suspicion and therefore acquit.

[@qkrotor]

D: "Do you have any evidence of these extraordinary claims?" T: "Yes I have evidence" D: "What is your evidence?" T: "Clearly I can't provide anything right now."

[@MrSrgsnowmanChris]

God listening to this was painful. It seems like this Travislamb took all of the worst debate-bro moments and completely accepted that as the best way to argue anything.

[@stbsole]

The amount of Trump slurpers who hate watch destiny is some s-tier level comedy

[@russell-gt1dy]

I offered $10k to wreck him in a debate re:Trump

[@Lillipod1]

Never heard of him before I heard he was on Zerohedge for a debate. It’s obvious Trump thought he had won. No case on that score. As for him egging others on it’s a different story.

[@michaelrandall7667]

It's a sad sign for society that you can't fathom someone enjoying Destiny's content even though they disagree with him politically.

[@stbsole]

@@michaelrandall7667 I don’t mind like someone whole disagreeing with his views but my issue lies with people calling someone delusional when they show proof of trumps wrongdoings

[@michaelrandall7667]

@@stbsole The other side would obviously say that they don't like when anti-Trump people take liberties with the truth in order to accuse Trump of wrongdoings. For instance, the vast majority, if not all, of Destiny's arguments in this video of Trump's wrong doings hinged on him saying there is evidence Trump didn't think the election was stolen, and there is no evidence of the election being stolen. Those aren't only not facts, they are verifiably false. I'm not just picking on Destiny, both sides do it, but you seem to only care when tbe otherside does.

[@patchhappens7575]

I think he may have meant "illegal" but the statement "Something being shitty doesn't make it wrong" was wild

[@seavpal]

It's probably hard to communicate in "normal" language when they are used to thinking in legal terms.

[@JohnDoesSports]

@@seavpal I swear, lawyers are incapable of not speaking legalese. They can't make themselves properly understood in colloquial English.

[@alexd4566]

⁠@@JohnDoesSportsIt’s because using precise terms is very important in law. For example, in my legal system, a ‘contract’ is not the same as an ‘agreement’. If I hear someone use ‘contract’ when he actually means ‘agreement’, I have to make him aware of the distinction otherwise we risk talking next to each other. That being said, as a lawyer, you should still be able to translate the legal issue into layman terms for your client to understand. If you can’t, you’re a bad communicator and, hence, a bad lawyer.

[@Jake_venture]

Destiny the only guy that Ben Shapiro doesn’t speak fast enough for

[@arctictruck10]

Trumps presidential library has crayons in it

[@PuddingXXL]

He's eaten those up already

[@Naptosis]

@@PuddingXXL The green ones count as one of his 5-a-day portions of vegetables. 😂

[@Aura_baby]

Ser, it's patriotic to eat crayons. We have an entire military branch that prides itself on them.

[@MunchinOnDew]

Got some real big brains here in the comments

[@SomersBugtopia]

​@@MunchinOnDew Like you?

[@mercedesb2299]

I am infuriated by these arguments every time I hear them. They all talk so fippantly about those votes that they wanted rejected. They talk about Trump's right to "fight the government". Those weren't "the government's" votes. They were Arizona's votes. That means it was MY vote, my daughter's vote, my Mom's vote. You get a whole lot less flippant, and start taking it a whole lot more seriously when it is your vote. They know this was a scam. The head of the AZ Republican party held regular streaming meetings where they came up with this scheme well before a single vote was cast. It is all on video....they were planning this for months before the election on video. Yes, a solid portion of my state government was absolutely in on the scheme. Kelly Ward, Andy Biggs, and Paul Gosar were all in the video sessions planning this scheme. They are all corrupt. We fought hard here in AZ to make sure our votes got counted in 2020 (they didn't in 2016 when thousands of us, all Democrats, had our voter registration changed without our knowledge and were unable to vote) and then they tried to put the plan in motion anyway when they got to D.C.

[@kevinwalter2674]

What about all of the people in Arizona who voted for Trump? Do you consider those votes worthless?

[@itsjayswelly]

What about anything that she said suggested that? You're fighting demons@@kevinwalter2674

[@alcoholic1638]

@@kevinwalter2674 “do you consider the trump votes in Arizona worthless?” They are worth less than the votes for Biden which were greater in number, that’s how democracy works.

[@StinkCabbage]

You nailed that

[@StinkCabbage]

​@@kevinwalter2674His votes were counted. Get effing serious

[@bhuevo6960]

Omg finally!!! Actual political content thats not Israel!! Thank you 🎉!!

[@ParistonHxH]

Relevant pfp

[@YuriDSC]

Wohoo debating shit 3 years after it happened, the excitement lol...

[@ThaTyphon]

Conservative research is done so many times. Boring imo. We all know his stance on these topics when it comes to the right.

[@b.ballooon9225]

Eh, I prefer the foreign policy stuff, more interesting and important, but this is cool too I guess.

[@bosoxno201]

Gotta keep you shills sucking on the news from a while ago...

[@Techlax43]

Calling pessco a lawyer is like calling destiny a boys name. It just doesn’t make sense

[@davidhoffman2311]

This is the truest comment I’ve ever seen.

[@lolwhatidk]

"trump is too stupid to be guilty" is so cringe

[@MunchinOnDew]

Yeah cuz that’s totally the only thing Ben said

[@ProfessorSkottey]

​@@MunchinOnDewWhat else did he say? Something that made any sense or had any legal grounds?

[@milantarbuk1039]

@@MunchinOnDew Dude are you some kind of knight going through all the comments trying to defend Ben's honor? His argument was basically "It's ridiculous to think he is an authoritarian, I mean have you seen the dumb shit he says on truth social? U really think this guy is capable of that?". His literal first line of defense was "Dude does not know how to capitalize right" xD

[@Mreecel]

@@MunchinOnDewdid he say that was the only thing he said?

[@AspiringDevil]

Im sorry but Pisco while rude was correct here & the fact the guest was trying to rules lawyer everything & stick to the letter of the law right up until someone stepped in with knowledge of the laws he was citeing is very telling. Also Connor after the Twitter Files you dont get to complain about other people being snide, rude, or smug. Weve already seen your ability to read documents correctly is dubious & your not bridging the gap at all here. The fact you think that is concerning. Conservatives have to get ovet theyre victim complex & quit enabling the maga delusions.

[@kevinwalter2674]

Lawyers argue opinion (interpretation of the law). All Pisco ever does is barge in and try to act like him being a lawyer means he's right. Plenty of people are lawyers and don't know shit. He can indeed take his snide lisp and GTFO.

[@LabrnMystic]

You put it much kinder than my post. 😅 (So I deleted)

[@AspiringDevil]

@@LabrnMystic lol good I was worried I was too harsh

[@careyyost4981]

lol the idea Trump hires lawyers that are worth the millions he’s refusing to pay them

[@russell-gt1dy]

Oh no.. how gullible are you?

[@careyyost4981]

⁠@@russell-gt1dyoh dear I mean I don’t know much but I can already tell you’ve no argument :D

[@russell-gt1dy]

@@careyyost4981 the silly conjecture of 'Trump doesn't pay anybody' pretty much stems from this story: (Fortune Magazine, 1988)- 'For starters, Trump has twice had to delay the Taj's opening -- from December 1989 to February and now to April 1990. One of the conditions of his financing required that the Taj be up and running by March 1. ' That is a lost holiday season and $100million lost operating revenue, due to contractors blown deadlines. And so the contracts went to arbitration to be settled. And what you got from that story is 'he doesn't pay anybody' What a cult

[@ReleaseMyKrakken]

Pisco jumping in here was not helpful. Destiny was doing a fine job dismantling the nutjob

[@adamvs95]

I don't have the power to make transactions on other peoples bank account. But if I either successfully or unsuccessful defraud the bank to do so it's illegal, regardless of my success. This whole "it's not possible" thing is frustrating.

[@challajuzalei6126]

These conversations are starting to feel like Alan Wake 2. Not so much a loop, but a spiral 🌀. Maybe eventually we’ll escape the Dark Place.

[@ptrcrispy]

SHOW ME THE CHAMPIONN OF LIIIIIIIGHTTTT

[@salokin3087]

​@@ptrcrispyI'LL SHOW YOU THE HERALD OF DARKNESS

[@Zach-cn4lb]

LOST IN A NEVER ENDING NIGHT

[@ChrisFinnell]

Travislamb is so cute in his naïveté. His whole argument sounded like “why would trump ask pence to do something illegal”

[@gefiltefist2088]

He’s a veritable manger baby

[@dieselbaby]

Nativity? I think you meant to say naïveté.

[@russell-gt1dy]

An election that entailed a party-funded network of illegal ballot harvesting and vote coaxing on a mass scale should have never been certified

[@LaMereACaniche]

Most lawyers wouldn't touch Trump with a 10 ft pole, holy shit this guy's incredibly regarded.

[@jloiben12]

I love when someone says “I’m a lawyer” and then fails to be able to do the most basic Q&A that someone that is an attorney should be able to handle as easily as breathing

[@ChaseFace]

Welcome to Pisco. I think he does legal paperwork and passed the bar but isn’t actually a practicing attorney. Thank god.

[@blakeb9964]

Wait. This guy claims hes a lawyer??

[@blitzentwiceborn2540]

My only gripe is you asked him to prove something wasn't said, which is impossible, while believing someone asserting he did say something without evidence.

[@johannesstephanusroos4969]

Exactly this, Steven lets all good faith argumentation fly out of the window, because feels

[@DeusEx_Machina]

Not necessarily true. One can prove something didn't happen or wasn't said under certain circumstances

[@Mreecel]

He could provide evidence for it though. If pence came out and said trump never told him to send the votes back, he may have an argument. Unfortunately for him, pence said the exact opposite.

[@johannesstephanusroos4969]

@@DeusEx_Machina Um, acktchuallyyy...

[@tonybablony2041]

Why do these recent uploads feel like the same video (or discussion, whatever) but just from a slightly different reality to one another. 😂

[@kingrainbow5432]

They feel like the same video from 7 years ago

[@tonybablony2041]

@@kingrainbow5432dawg, I feel like I’ve seen “conservative vs triggered Destiny” for a week straight😂

[@kirknichols178]

It’s because these are the same convos. One side is either unwilling to accept reality or too stupid to see it for what it is.

[@IbrahimservantofAllah]

​@@kirknichols178yeah those fcken delusional centrist need to be stopped

[@tonybablony2041]

@@kirknichols178exactly!

[@Nergal667]

Steven is the type of guy to have a girl's name and get mad when you mention it

[@link99055]

Why are people so comfortable just interrupting twice per minute? I would hate myself.

[@davids.7885]

As a prosecutor, this hurt my heart and brain. Double the emotional damage

[@luxborealis]

But Your Honor, how could my client possibly have committed assault? Doesn’t the law clearly state such actions are not allowed? My client is certified from school to be literate, so clearly he can read the law. Why would my client do something that he knows is against the law?

[@davids.7885]

@@luxborealis The sad and funny thing is, that argument, while terrible, probably isn't objectionable legally.

[@lonesom]

Your caller is delusional by his own definition.

[@tystromberg5288]

Guy finally answers a question at 1:09:30 for anyone still waiting 😂

[@jloiben12]

If someone says “the law says,” or some variation of that, the only appropriate response is “please provide me the exact text you are referring to.” Every. Time. Do not allow someone to talk about the law without forcing them to provide the exact words they are referring to

[@IudexGundyr325]

Although you got to admit... When someone answer with the actual correct text, that shit is scary and intimidating AS FUCK

[@MunchinOnDew]

Why, you need spoon fed legal codes because you have done zero research yourself ahead of the conversation? If you’re informed, you’d know it’s either true or not true. Asking for the code or text is just saying you have no idea.

[@Pitchman14]

@@MunchinOnDewNo. You need to verify that the law the person is referring to exists as they say it does. It’s impossible to know every law that exists in the US, we have too many. If someone references a law, you need to be able to cross reference it

[@jloiben12]

@@IudexGundyr325 Not really. It just means they did the absolute bare minimum to have the conversation

[@jloiben12]

@@MunchinOnDew Thank you for demonstrating that you are part of the problem I identified. If asking for you to provide the source of your claims triggers you that much, you are not fit to have the conversation.

[@oskytel3780]

While I like debate, it only reminds me that we will never stop fighting.

[@slimabob]

This was such a good stream. Hope there are more like this in the future.

[@JoshC-End-Abortion-Fear-God]

👍

[@AspiringDevil]

It's the best hour long 20 minute Convo I've seen this year

[@yezusdascumlord7609]

How this is just a stream for dems to circle jerk each other.

[@jackdaniel3135]

Taking a social science class taught me that it's very easy to get lost in the sauce of academic knowledge and end up with a conclusion that no one but a small portion of people agree with.

[@xtrzne]

you're assuming majority consensus = truth. if that were the case, america as country would never be a thing...

[@tateramessar8787]

there's literally nothing wrong with coming up with conclusions that not a lot of people agree with lmao

[@PoorEdward]

Weird how your definition of a poor conclusion, or rather “getting lost”, is simply one that is not abiding of a status quo understanding…

[@supercala332]

That just means that whatever evidence that was brought forth to lead to that conclusion wasn't compelling enough, such as using evidence that lacked credible sources or evidence that was circumstantial/hearsay....like when someone uses phrases such as, "I don't think that / I believe that." You can give your own opinion at the very beginning of whatever presentation/argument you're presenting...but the facts gotta do the talking. Travis' mistake was trying to force feed his own representation of the facts, while also lacking any hard evidence to back those representations (such as Pence's roll in accepting/rejecting electoral college votes)

[@ddandymann]

That really depends on how small the minority group is and who makes up that minority group. If the minority group is very small and primarily made up of people with little to no experience in the field then it's probably a poorly supported viewpoint. However if the group in question is a notable minority made up primarily of experts in the field then it's a different matter all together. For example in economics Neo-Classical theory is the dominant school of thought and method of study. However other methods of study such as behavioural economics, social and institutional theories and game theory based analysis all have value despite being less established and more contentious fields of study pursued by a minority of economists.

[@sarinat3101]

"I'm not a Trump supporter" - every Trump supporter

[@Fjaloeat1]

"I'm an independent" - Trump supporter "I'm a centrist" - Libertarian who votes exclusively Republican "I'm just asking questions" - Believes a wild conspiracy theory

[@johannesstephanusroos4969]

I am an Orange Man supporter, because I'm not stuck in your little Leftist circle jerk bubble (I'm not even an American)

[@russell-gt1dy]

​@@Fjaloeat1even when an op named Liban Osman was dim enough to SnapChat his ballot harvesting operation and brag about cash for votes on video.. no evidence!

[@tylerjmast]

Why is it so hard for me to accept that some people just lack the skills or faculties or will required to use reason and think critically? Then again, I suppose if somebody was just especially partial to the letter c over ab&d it might severely hurt their performance on an IQ test.

[@JoeMama-gi1so]

If only people were as logical as I am, then the world would be a better place

[@declangill5138]

I have to say, I was wrong about Destiny. I hold my hands up, he's quick and on the ball and makes all the right cases for his points. I may not fully align politically with him but he's changed my mind on him

[@Audacity_69]

Destiny the kind of guy to go "Ooooo ouch I'm gonna feel that tomorrow" when he stubs his toe.

[@silversalmon9909]

Why

[@johannesstephanusroos4969]

​@@silversalmon9909Because the audacity

[@NinjaMoley]

And there's Pisco with the metal chair to derail the conversation

[@crazymonk27]

This editing work keeps getting better oh lord!

[@leoSaunders]

is it showing up in your feeeed?

[@crazymonk27]

@@lazcoroner1483 sad but true. They are savage!

[@Bowamaketona]

The edit was really amazing and very hard to achieve. Especially the first minute. To be able to capture the most effective propaganda and lie that Destiny continues to peddle in this theatrical way that would reinforce the dgg cult in truly an inspirational achievement. And I sincerely mean all this.

[@crazymonk27]

@@Bowamaketona are you okay? I think you may need to find more things to do in life than obsess over destiny. Go read a book, go to a board game meet up, go rock climbing.

[@Bowamaketona]

@@crazymonk27 says the man who doesn’t even know what grass is. Great comeback btw. Really added value to the conversation

[@mikeb.7845]

Hitler didn't even write Mein Kampf.

[@ThisVideoAnnoyedMe]

Where's the rest of it? He said they'll continue it on who's stream?

[@alyson4791]

Damn. that intro was hard

[@DaddyLongshaft]

You are a mere mortal while i have ascended and can comprehend Ben Shabibo at 2x speed

[@montanaslate8273]

There has never been a time in human history where we weren't at each others throats. Lets just accept the fact that the world has always been at war, it has never ended.

[@hardphlex]

we had a whole civil war and folks say we’re more polarized than ever lol

[@StinkCabbage]

If true, history's one experiment with higher intelligence will have been found to be an evolutionary dead end.

[@Hero78]

Someone needs a condenser for that buzzing sound feedback!

[@Alexa-hh8so]

Why dis the other guy join? Destiny had it in the bag

[@__-bf6ph]

My heart hurts when I listen to this and is a great example of someone that has been properly programmed. This is what the internet is doing to so many people that if it is repeated enough they believe in things so much, they cant even be read a correction to their beliefs and logically process it. It goes in one ear and out the other and they repeat the same thing the believed without processing any new info. Is the disk full?

[@daviedood2503]

No, it's a cope. They want "the why" behind everything and "the why" has to feel good and put the other side down. Bonus points if you toss in religion with it and a scripture passage "proving" it.. The source is a source they've listened to, for quite some time of "feel good" info. Doesn't have to actually be true, just feel good. Words paint a mental picture and they emotionally attach to said imagination of said picture. You come along and challenge it. That's trying to repaint their mental image. What you call blue they call bad, what u call yellow they say orange.. any pin hole in their balloon of feel good, they go off in anger rants. Then toss out random phrases their idol said to "sound informed"..

[@HelloPeopleHii]

This was frustrating to listen to. This guy is either completely disingenuous or just delusional

[@Bryrye236]

The more i watch youtube political commentaries, the more i am seeing just how full of shit they are. They discuss topics that they seem to know nothing about. Yet they take such firm positions and develop extreme beliefs based on their skewed understanding of the facts.

[@BluntforceJ]

Only a Trumper could use "being delusional" as a defense of someone's behavior.

[@shgalagalaa]

It is actually a valid defense atleast in eu and uk contract law

[@mooninites755]

Is that because Democrats are unwilling to admit that Biden isn't of sound mind?

[@russell-gt1dy]

Only a delusional lunkhead would slam a President as 'racist white nationalist' over this 'dogwhistle'- "You had people who were very fine people, on both sides.. and I'm not talking about the neo-nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally-"

[@jacobwaddell6075]

I am an independent conservative, mostly fiscally, more liberal socially, but was a full blown Republican Conservative at one point. I find myself somewhat in the center now equally mind blown by far right and far left I see. It is crazy man. Anyone of you guys feel that too? Almost like reason went out the window!

[@junioralvarado629]

It’s pretty wild out there as a center left person myself. Like people are so dogmatic about their side it’s frustrating to agree on basic facts.

[@Sesshounamaru7]

i distrust anyone that compares far right witch sadly is deeply entrenched into USA political structure vs far left which whenever i ask its just boils down to random people on twatter doing something somewhere

[@junioralvarado629]

@@Sesshounamaru7 it’s called be morally lucky.

[@user-fy7ri8gu8l]

The far left has no real power outside dominating topics on retard bait podcasts and screeching for attention on social media. The two really don't compare in their presence in actual power, dems are still predominantly clintonian neoliberals who have their ever so small left wing bloc on lock meanwhile in the republican circle the loons are literally running the asylum. Get back to us, and reality, whenever AOC and Bernie are running the party or have the presidency.

[@ProfessorSkottey]

The polarization and tribalism from both sides is only getting more dug in and more intolerant. That's not to say they're equally on par, especially depending on the topics or figures, but when one side digs in deeper, it inadvertently forces the other side to dig in to push back, so there's a strategic dynamic to a lot of it, as well, both vying to control the messaging, with little-to-no intention of conceding any points that would constitute a concession.

[@redwoodclimber]

Love that August uses The Life of Pablo for Destiny’s intros lmaooo

[@shmurk9829]

Seeing you both debate this finally was wild and loved it

[@LowTempDabr]

.....so di the Destiny x Shapiro debate just never happen? I thought there was a hard date set like a month ago?

[@LeLastMelon]

It was pushed back to January (I think that's what he said)

[@LowTempDabr]

@@LeLastMelon thank you I was starting to get unreasonably upset about it

[@Benbones99]

Jan 13 I think

[@MunchinOnDew]

@@Benbones99I heard it was going down on January 6

[@Benbones99]

@@MunchinOnDew no thats the debate against glenn greenwald and alex jones

[@freeman7079]

There’s literally no reason to play Ben Shapiro at anything but normal speed. Good lord this is giving me a stroke.

[@Rachel_M_]

Exactly. He's already on x2 speed

[@LVArturs]

I play Destiny at 2.5x, so Shapiro gets quite unintelligible here :D

[@PuddingXXL]

If you're a trump supporter then it's probs because if brain leak on your end.

[@crazymonk27]

Let's go!

[@kaylormurillo7207]

What is that thumbnail lmfao 😂

[@tylersmith2119]

"UUUUGH I hate thus argument that makes trump look like a five year old!" *Makes trump sound like a five year old in the next breath

[@gonfreecss6002]

When? Give us a timestamp, bro.

[@shinyskull4654]

​@@gonfreecss6002 i guess if you dont believe that trump didnt literally read and get inspired by mein kampf, apparently you are making him a child

[@LeLastMelon]

@@shinyskull4654In what way do you think Trump can relate to Hitler?

[@GoneAngel]

​@@LeLastMelonThey're both men. They're both white. They both have drank water. It's like they're the same person honestly.

[@Naptosis]

@@LeLastMelon He's attempting to get into power by making his country 'great' again; by lying about his political enemies, and targeting mınorıtıes that he accuses of being the source of America's problems. However, I don't think that Donald's particularly racıst; he very obviously doesn't even like his own skin colour. He just hates the poor race.

[@AnythingMachine]

Been enjoying watching his sanity drain away over the last week

[@Ericpol3]

Was there a continuation of this convo? I can’t find it on jstlk’s stream.

[@amitthehuman]

I joined on the Israel-Palestine saga, so this is my first time seeing destiny debating conservatives. It's insane to see the levels of double speak they have. These people are claiming they hate Trump and that he's insane, but they're also really invested in proving that he is innocent. Which would also allow him to run for president. It would be interesting to have a stream that isn't happening in debate mode where Destiny could actually question why these people give a shit if they supposedly think Trump and Jan 6 are bad. My theory is that these people are retroactively trying to defend their own credibility as people who went along with Trump's lies up to Jan 6. They really want us to believe that there was a reason to believe there was election fraud, because if there wasn't, that means the entire republican party and their base are compromised. It would make them all impossible to trust and they won't get any votes.

[@russell-gt1dy]

Even when an op named Liban Osman was dim enough to SnapChat his ballot harvesting operation and brag about cash for votes on video.. deny deny deny

[@bobbysquinch5085]

Does Destiny play Ben Shapiro at faster speeds? Because he talks so fast as it is it makes my head hurt

[@gonfreecss6002]

Playing Ben Shapiro at 2x speed should be a felony under federal US law.

[@ace-daniel4240]

Just like how money can't buy style, money can't buy you a good lawyer if you don't listen to any of them

[@halfbloodprincess989]

"Because he's crazy he couldn't possibly commit a crime" 😂

[@danarmstrong9155]

weird to hand wave that Trump kept Hitler quotes/speeches in his bedside drawer. I don’t think that would be normal at all

[@Matt_D_370z]

I don't like Trump at all. But, that story was never corroborated. His ex-wife made that allegation many years before he ran for president. With that being said, people should listen to what the world's foremost expert on the study of fascism, Roger Griffin, has to say about Trump. And, historian that also specializes in the study of fascism, Robert Paxton.

[@fabian4023]

Regarding what the professor said about Trump admiring Hitler, Trump's ex-wife Ivana claimed that he kept a book of Hitler's speeches next to his bed. He also has a history of bragging about his German ancestry and genetics. So there's that...

[@dantelabella9753]

Yeah you’re dumb if you believe that. He only cares about one thing & that’s the $$$.

[@lavellelee5734]

😂😂 like bruh

[@Alright70]

This caller is actually delusional about trumps intent.

[@b.ballooon9225]

Can you prove his intent exactly?

[@rickastley8214]

@@b.ballooon9225 that’s what the courts do.

[@jackeagleeye3453]

@@b.ballooon9225 His intent is pretty obvious to anyone that has followed him in the news

[@AnthonySuperCoder]

Trump is simultaneously so desperate to win that he’s delusional about it and also so rational that he’d never do anything that’s not strictly legal, somehow

[@kyle1235]

@@b.ballooon9225 Intent can only be proven insofar as a mens rea that is consistent with the actions of the defendant, as can easily be done with Trump here.

[@dsamh]

The question is why YT keeps recommending this channel that I keep ignoring?

[@RobLeonard]

To be fair, just because he's a lawyer doesn't mean he's a good one 😅

[@chicken02131]

I’m sure the sides that’s removing their opponents from the ballot is the good guys lol

[@DeusEx_Machina]

Criminals on ballots = good to go

[@dbladeford]

I do love your criticism of the professors! 💯

[@NervinJ]

Dude got triggered by Piss, understandable, and then completely lost the plot to his own malding. SAD!

[@babymillennial2785]

I do love that this guy really said destiny has low patience with conservatives 😂😂😂 Buddy, with the amount of cognitive dissonance conservatives have you would be hard pressed to find many souls that are *more* patient than destiny

[@MiasmaTazma]

Destiny angry about conservatives treating Trump like a child, then proceeds to immediately disregard Trump reading Hitler speeches because he doesn't read...

[@gonfreecss6002]

What a pedantic comment. No, the reason he disregarded the alleged Hitler Speech reading is because the evidence is literally non-existent. It's literally one person who used to be close with the former president, who is now on bad terms with him mind you, who made a claim with no textual, photographic, or tangible evidence. Literally a 'trust me bro'. Even on the 5% chance it's true, its just not a worthy hill to die on. You don't need Trump reading Hitler texts to assert he acts with an authoritarian mindset; all stuff like this does is degrade the public's interest in the subject. Stick with the facts, not the gossip.

[@b.ballooon9225]

what proof do you have that he does read them? other than some elite with a diploma on MSM using his title as authority?

[@MiasmaTazma]

@@davidwilliams6966 he "also" said that. He did say that he didn't think Trump had read more than one book. It's just silly to complain about treating Trump as a child and then immediately treat him as a child. Both sides need to stop doing this. He's not as stupid as he appears to be. Even later in the convo Destiny talks about how calculated Trump is. He's going through a cognitive decline recently; so that calculation is starting to wane. This makes him more insane and dangerous however. Trump's first main speech writer wae a white nationalist and now is a Russian shill. Him being into Hitler's rhetoric isn't far fetched.

[@lukaswithakay]

@@MiasmaTazma”Calculated” does not mean the same thing as “intelligent”. Just because Trump has a long history of being a conman, and has gotten very good at it, doesn’t mean that he’s actually intelligent. There is nothing in the history of his speeches, debates, or tenure as president that would suggest that Donald Trump is a competent person.

[@MiasmaTazma]

@@lukaswithakay He has enough forsight to be a threat. Which "I" would argue requires some level of intelligence. However, I don't care much. You may describe him as as you wish. My initial statements remains true regardless.

[@ChaseFace]

I was driving home in rush hour Dallas traffic while I was listening to this and I definitely took out my frustration from Ben’s headass defense on the other drivers around me.

[@jamesonrichards5105]

August gon’ eat good this coming year

[@blub3rry116]

REMEMBER FOLKS! Don't forget the AMAZING phrase SPIRIT OF THE LAW! And don't forget ambiguity WEAKENS a law and makes restrictive laws able to effectively override. . The law which grants the VP the power to remove electoral college votes did not imply in spirit that this power was limitless. The spirit of the law provides only the existence of the power. Furthermore, the ambiguity of the law weakens its legal power and is therefore much more easily overridden by any laws which restrict its power. For example, let's say Texas passes a law that says "K-12 public school teachers have the power to discipline students". Off the bat there are several obvious ambiguities. Some might uncharitably argue that this law techinically grants that teachers can legally enforce infinite disciplinary power of any type for any reason regardless of morality or reasonability and that this power cannot be restricted. However, all this law is really doing by virtue of it's existence is establish that disciplining students is not outside teachers' authority altogether. In other words, all the law does by granting the power is ensure that the power is allowed to exist. The spirit of the law implies that it is not a guaranteed right. It is a possibility, and therefore a priviledge. Just because the category of 'teachers' are assured the existence of the power to discipline students does not mean that any individual teacher must be permitted to enact that power or that any individual teacher must be allowed to use that power however they wish to. The law is a weak legal assurance. Therefore, other laws which have stronger legal assurances such as assault crimes override this law. If a student was disciplined by the teacher using assault, the legal probibition of assult would overpower any legal power granted to discipline a student, and therefore the incident would not be a legal use of power.

[@lampad4549]

Damn the trump fans are quick to the KZbin comments

[@b.ballooon9225]

don't discount any defense of Trump as "trump fans", it should depend on how radically they defend him and if they defend him on everything or only certain points.

[@gonfreecss6002]

hahaha I know. Sometimes it feels as though KZbin forgets that Destiny is very left-leaning since they've seen him come off the lefty arc. Its good to see videos like this remind them..

[@shinyskull4654]

​@@b.ballooon9225its basically the reverse of trump fans shouting TDS to any trump criticism whatsoever

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

@@b.ballooon9225 While that's a fair point, I've been impressed by the quality of Trump supporting comments I've seen on this video so far. You'd think that, with all the power and money the guy has, he'd be able to find some better quality people to argue for him on the Internet... I'm not sure I've seen more than one of two fact based comments, supporting Trump, in this entire comment section.

[@Jaryism]

Destiny watches 4 sec of Shapiro.. pauses to angrily react to side chat… then listens to 4 secs of Shapiro.. then angrily reacts to side chat… then listens to 4 secs of Shapiro.. then angrily reacts to side chat… then listens to 4 secs of Shapiro.. then angrily reacts to side chat… etc Seriously why do ppl listen to these horseshit response anymore? Destiny just play the vids out then respond, you’re deliberately trying to stifle the flow as a tactic.. you and Vaush always do this.

[@MeNameDark]

Yeah, Destiny is obsessed with talking about how much he hates people who bloviate or derail and likes to go bit by bit, but also totally forgets that people need more then 3 seconds to complete a full thought. The countless times he just pauses 50 times a video and goes on a rant from 10 words that get cleared up with maybe 10-15 seconds more worth of context and him going "oh" is so tiring.

[@davidokinsky114]

Listening to Destiny in 2x speed, while he is listening to Ben Shapiro in 2x speed is a trip.

[@UberTankred]

Just debate Ben Shapiro?! Like, for real, what's the point in talking to some other guy about Shapiro's arguments?

[@18aplateindoors]

15:28 dude is exactly right though the ONLY people who think grenades are a massive explosion have never seen one go off outside a movie, not that they aren’t deadly but the blast size is way smaller then movies portray… just being real about it

[@Jankyito]

grenades are actually more dangerous in real life than in movies or videogames. Grenades can seriously injure people within like 70ft. In COD you can tank a grenade from 5 steps away

[@trucid2]

The point of a frag grenade isn't the explosion, but the shrapnel the explosion propels in all directions. The explosion itself is small.

[@Naptosis]

@@trucid2 Yes, most people's entire knowledge about explosions comes from movies and TV.

[@18aplateindoors]

@@trucid2 exactly right but thats never the part portrayed on TV is all is was saying

[@Realpersonfrongod]

Destiny is based

[@gonfreecss6002]

Basedstiny

[@trackingthealgorithm221]

Destiny, you created a singularity in my phone by playing Ben at 2x.

[@Ken-zg3ze]

Can you imagine Pisco talking to chicks at the bar?

[@degui1224]

Was the dude actually was trying to argue that his point is that he doesn't know what he was talking about? Then proceeds to talk shit to an actual lawyer and tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about?

[@kiwidubz]

Destiny is the type of guy that holds his nose shut when he jumps into water

[@indonesianbob68]

YOu just gonna let the brain eating amoeba into your nose!!!?!

[@justingoff2692]

With floating, and he gets swimmers' ear. I kid, Destiny's ok.

[@ekhowo1475]

Why is he getting turkey Tom tier comments not 💀💀💀

[@eddiebravofan6005]

Intro is sick!

[@zeem8]

i learned recently that some people just don’t have an inner monologue. this has got to be one of those guys

[@420Kyle1620]

Immoral, does not equal illegal. The whole state electorate thing had been used in the past... it wasn't made illegal 50 years ago (last time it was used). It was basically made illegal months after J6. Trying to do this in 2024 would be illegal (due to the alterations made to the VP's authority after j6), attempting to do it in 2020 was not.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

What specifically is illegal now, that was legal before?

[@420Kyle1620]

@@Bertinator-nm9ld The ability for the VP to reject the states electorate and choose to recognize an alternative (qualified) electoral body. To do that now, the VP would have to call a vote.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

@@420Kyle1620 That was legal to do before, especially without any evidence of problems with the votes? Do you have any sources to back that up? My understanding is that the VP didn't have the power to unilaterally send the votes back to the states, even before the 2020 election. They just added more clarity to law, afterwards, because the wording wasn't sufficiently clear about that.

[@dfmrcv862]

Ben Shapiro: *noted Democrats are perfectly okay with authoritarianism if it suits them* Destiny: *sleep* Ben Shapiro: *makes a joke about how Donald Trump is kind of an idiot* Destiny: I... *hate* this argument!!!

[@michaelmikita3953]

I dont get it. Whats your point?

[@dfmrcv862]

@@michaelmikita3953 Just a bit of Destiny's biases showing, is all. Ben isn't wrong that Dems are perfectly happy with authoritarian policies if it suits them, but Destiny isn't going to sit down and affirm Ben isn't wrong, so instead, once Ben says something he disagrees with, he goes all in. It was particularly funny here because Destiny then had to indirectly admit Ben had a point a bit later because Dems are comparing the Don to a certain rejected artist. Same thing when Ben does a debunking video. Oftentimes he'll just ignore any potentially correct points and hone in on something he disagrees with.

[@MunchinOnDew]

@@michaelmikita3953isn’t it obvious dude?

[@michaelmikita3953]

@@dfmrcv862 ahhhhh, gotcha. Yep, hes a sweet kid from the mid west, but he has a habit of letting his bias roam the room. Thanks for the clarification. Happy holidays

[@michaelmikita3953]

@@MunchinOnDew if it was, i probably wouldnt have asked. Notice how the guy i was actually asking helped me out. Easy peasy. Whats the deal with you?