How Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes Updates The Comics

[@Mirrorcomics24]

It’s like a modern version of the comics without being too modern

[@MasterrangerABR]

They knew what to update and what to leave alone.

[@alancarnell2747]

They made Odin interesting.

[@cesar6447]

It's called a good adaptation, They keep and respect the comics and it's of changing it, it updates it

[@LordCornshoe]

Nowadays it's just a thing, but EMH was really the first major reclamation of the concept of the Hulk being a regular member of the Avengers. In the comics, after he quit, he only ever really made guest appearances with the team for over forty years.

[@thechad4485]

Hulk shifting the ice to reveal Cap is a lot like the deleted scene from The Incredible Hulk, where Bruce tried to commit suicide, and Hulk spit the bullet out and shattered a glacier - revealing Cap’s shield in the ice.

[@MOMOFCJ6]

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[@juliiju0484]

I think that some of what makes Avengers earths migthy's heroes work is its adaptability, since a child can like it, an animation fanatic, even a mcu fan, and obviously, a dem comic fan. When I was a kid, I was a big fan of the series, and I loved seeing the Avengers in other media, but I always wanted them to stay in their Ehm suit, which indicates that 90% made me a fan of the comics (either good or bad lol). But honestly, many hate the Avengers because they took the superhero genre for themselves, but Avengers earths migthy's heroes show that they are a great group of characters. PD:I think if we talk about how Avengers earths migthy's heroes relates to comics, 10,000 ideas come to mind, ideas that I always had, but now that the series is becoming recognized I can admit

[@comicalpeculiarity6174]

It’s unfortunate when I criticise MCU movies and my friends assume I hate all Marvel stuff or do it to be a contrarian. It’s the very opposite because I adore this show, this is what I consider a near perfect adaptation in my eyes. The fact it never got a season three makes me miserable but hopefully we’ll get something of this caliber in the future because I miss consuming Marvel content that doesn’t have the MCU seal of approval on it, y’know?

[@MrDreadEnd]

It's stuff like this that makes me so glad disney doesn't have all the rights to marvels IPs. It gives hope to deviations from their script.

[@kazemizu]

That moment people call themselves fans, but only know about the movies.

[@vullord666]

Okay if you’re friends think complaining about the MCU means you don’t like Marvel then 1) they aren’t Marvel fans; their MCU fans and 2) GET SOME NEW FRIENDS!

[@vullord666]

@@kazemizu Still better than when they only know about the CW TV shows. God the headaches I get from CW DC fans lording over all other DC fans and acting like they know each character front and back better than anyone and if you don’t like the CW you hate DC. I respect that they like a specific adaption of DC, but I wish they’d do the same. On another note I love the amount of Lucifer viewers that don’t even realize that show is DC.

[@johnhargrove5268]

I got some season 3 ideas for your video: Season 3 main story: Ragnarok. It is the invasion of Surtur and fire demons who will rampage across Asgard, Midgard, and other realms across the Galaxy. The Mutants will start to become more prominent Civil War seeds are starting to be planted for Season 4. Side episodes could focus on magic and the cosmos

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

In the episode Code Red, Maria Hill tells Tony he needs to register with Shield. In the episode with the Guardians of the galaxy, Adam Strange has the Soul gem in his forehead. They were already planting so many seeds. Crazy how foward thinking they were.

[@LegacyComics100]

Wonder Man returns as a hero because he’s pretty underrated.

[@GamerSlyRatchet1]

Chris Yost posted potential episode summaries for season 3 that have a lot of those plans there.

[@SuperSilver316]

You said it perfect, they didn’t just took what works, they fixed what didn’t, and that’s so important to this shows success. I really like how they introduced Mar-Vell in this show, that was really well done imo, and the Leader Two Parter is a good culmination point for Bruce as a character, as well as his relationship with Hawkeye.

[@MTV2O2O]

Amora the Enchantress is one of my favorite villains in the show. She’s the scariest/hottest villain I’ve seen in a while, especially in the Acts of Vengeance episode.

[@БакдаулетСайдилла-ъ4ю]

Kari Wahlgren did such a great job voicing her. It's actually my favorite role of her voice performance along with Emma Frost.

[@MTV2O2O]

@@БакдаулетСайдилла-ъ4ю Ironically she also voiced Jane Foster in EMH

[@PillarofGarbage]

Never realised it was Kari Wahlgren!

[@MTV2O2O]

@@PillarofGarbage Enchantress wouldn’t even have to try that hard to imitate her

[@mrespada6260]

I love her too I wish we could get a season 3 so we can see her Surtur form more and Thor possibly saving her from him

[@CommanderButter]

Even though there's only two seasons of this show, I can't wait to see how much content you can pump out about this series! Don't overdo yourself though, if you feel like you're running low on things to discuss don't try and burn yourself out because I love how passionate these videos are and the energy you have behind them!

[@PillarofGarbage]

I honestly think there’s a ton more stuff to talk about here, so hopefully it’s a series I can continue for many months. I am still trying to put out unrelated content frequently, so I think I’m safe from burn-out for now. It is tricky, though, because looking at the stats, my viewers seem to prefer these videos BY FAR compared to other stuff. So I can’t really leave it too long between new EMH videos or my growth will wilt significantly. I’m sure there’s a correct balance though, even if I am yet to find it.

[@danielle5160]

EMH is so good because it adapts the wonderful concepts and stories from the comics while being focused in a way the comics never could have; the show's writers can know what characters and themes they're working with beforehand, while that wasn't the case with the comics.

[@Willpower1409]

In the Avengers movie, I thought Thor over-charging Iron Man's armour was going to pay off in the movie's climax like it could have been the only way to close the portal.

[@MrSleepyweezul]

Dang, never even knew about that. I never got the chance to read comics growing up, so all my exposure was shows, games and toys (and the occasional DK Encyclopedia). This really gives me a deeper appreciation for the show, and now I wanna track down some comic compendiums and see what other stuff like this there is.

[@thewoollyviking5928]

EMH really felt like it had the same level of reverence and passion as the DC animated universe. It's a real shame that it never got a third season, would have been great for them to at least have one last hurrah before the end

[@whowhatwhen3145]

I was pretty unhappy with how the mcu handled ultron, he should have had the same level of respect that they gave villain's like Loki and Thanos rather than just been this years villian of the week.

[@tskmaster3837]

How Age of Ultron handled Ultron: They paid respect to the Crimson Cowl, Ultron's first identity, by having Ultron wear it in the chapel- straight from the comic The Ultron line in the movie started at Iron Legion 3, making his second form Ultron 4 and his bigger form Ultron 5- like the comics- and Ultron 5 was the one who "made" the Vision which he used as his guardian/decoy on his way to Ultron 6- which was just Ultron 5 made out of adamantium. MCU couldn't do Adamantium because "X-Men"... go figure... so Ultron 6 became Vision's body which actually helped solve the plothole from the comics of how Vision was a lot more powerful than Ultron 5 and how his phasing ability was ignored by Ultron. I wish EMH did half of this; The comic Ultron was psychotic, the MCU was manic, the EMH version was Data from Star Trek with even fewer emotions, it kind of sucked. Weird how EMH had fewer restrictions than the MCU in regards to Ultron but didn't do him justice at all even with "Daddy" Hank Pym available. The MCU switch it to Stark which really worked out, especially once Ultron started to mimic Stark and it pissed him off when he realized it. "I'm nothing like Stark!"

[@MM126.90]

@@tskmaster3837 I think which depiction of ultron is better depends on what you believe the character should be. Ones a hypocrite who says humanity is flawed and must be destroyed but acts more human that robotic. This other is a pure cold calculating robot ai that has no emotion and no personality. While both work for the character, which is better comes down to what you think a killer ai should look and act like.

[@aquasnake4528]

I love EMH a lot, but one thing that I wasn’t the biggest fan of was Wasp in fight scenes. She is often treated as the weakest Avenger I feel, always flying in with the same beam attack before being taken out quickly. Don’t get me wrong, she is a blast when conversing with the other Avengers and against smaller villains like Whirlwind, but she rarely got to shine

[@aquasnake4528]

(Sorry, posted before I finished) She was able to shine against Ultron, further cementing that episode duo as my favorite in the series, but that was one awesome moment in what felt like very little standout moments for the character

[@aquasnake4528]

@@MTV2O2O Great.... another reason to be sad about season 3's cancellation.

[@PillarofGarbage]

You're right, I do wish they had figured out a way to make her a bit more of a heavy-hitter sometimes. But I suppose it is somewhat reflective of the comics - and there's something to be said for having a consistent power scale on the team. Just a shame Jan has to be at the bottom.

[@MTV2O2O]

@@PillarofGarbage Don’t forget she disabled the Kree Sentry 459

[@MrZer093]

Yeah, Wasp was one of my favorites but less because of her powers and more for her humanity. She always injected this burst of fun energy into everything which was necessary as, well, they’re comic book superheroes. While I’m sure it’s all harrowing to them, it all still looks fun to us, hence why we enjoy the show. I also appreciate that she was the one who tried to solve things through communication, especially among her fellow Avengers. The powerhouse ones never really did that. Sometimes the best power in a fight is a caring heart.

[@AndreNitroX]

I love this series of videos focusing on EMH, please keep making them

[@PillarofGarbage]

I plan to! There’s so much more to say.

[@AndreNitroX]

@@PillarofGarbage i look forward to it

[@mandotory6728]

It seems you’re doing a whole series of videos on this show, that’s great. I love EMH and I’m glad it’s finally getting some appreciation. If you’re interested, there’s a movement to bring this show back, along with Spectacular Spider-Man and Wolverine & the X-Men, that were all meant to be in the same universe. It’s called #SaveTheYostVerse, and we’re preparing a trending event on October 20th

[@PillarofGarbage]

Thanks for raising this! I’ll shoutout the event nearer the time.

[@mandotory6728]

@@PillarofGarbage Thanks a lot ! We’re a small fanbase so videos like these help a lot, hopefully we can bring EMH back

[@GamerSlyRatchet1]

Spectacular’s not a part of this, FYI. Greg Weisman and Victor Cook had their own ideas for other Marvel heroes. Yost liked to think they were connected, but he didn’t work on Spectacular. He did try to bring Josh Keaton as Spider-Man, but that works as a nod to Spectacular.

[@PillarofGarbage]

@@GamerSlyRatchet1 Do you have any sources for this? No worries if not, but I'd like to make sure any eventual videos I do on this universe are as accurate as possible :)

[@mandotory6728]

@@GamerSlyRatchet1 It works as a nod, or as a connection. Truly we don’t know since they never got the chance to do it. But I like to think they are connected.

[@nightshadoew436]

Im not from US so I had never even seen a 60s comic but its really nice to see people making shows about comic books caring about the source material to adapt it and not dismiss it out of hand cause of the "60s cheese". I also never knew that about the Mandrake. I just tought he was s monke with slight hypnosis powers. Thanks for the knowledge.

[@PuffinAV9472]

I always thought Hulk's rampage in Some Assembly Required was because Amora was playing on his paranoia, since he's never known what it means to trust others. He's more defensive than anything when he chooses to talk in that episode, because he's always on guard. And when Amora talks to him as Mind Ghost Bruce, she tells him that his fears are justified -which is the worst thing you can say when someone is paranoid-. The only one he -begrudgingly- trusts on the team so far is Wasp, and him accidentally hurting her is how he breaks from Amora's control in the first place. The other Avengers don't trust him, or even like him, but they do genuinely want to help. The best evidence for this, at this point in the series, is Tony protecting him from a SHIELD attack at the end of Breakout, and the others joining him. Even then, Amora's manipulations took their toll on Hulk, since he echoes what she said to him when he quits at the end of the episode.

[@ANW115]

I love how EMH takes inspiration from comics and also adapts some storylines while still bringing new things and elements to the table

[@Pedro_Marangon]

The scene at the end (that you used to compare to the 2012 movie) also reminded me a bit of the "You can't defeat me" meme from Thor Ragnarok

[@lewislewis4240]

Man I would of love to see the World War Hulk be in EMH.Would of been a real cool especially if the hulk kept the Executioners battle Axe and used it as one of his weapons fighting off all the marvel heroes.

[@MTV2O2O]

Season 3 Concept Art: i.imgur.com/1hj28yt.jpg

[@lawrencemorris2261]

Hell no. Hulk has already been disrespectfully portrayed as an egotistical goth eyed shell of a shell of his former self, I don't want ruined anything else about him too. Mind you emh is good but knowing what I know about the hulk the aspect of emh when the hulk is involved it is solid fecal garbage.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@lawrencemorris2261 dude, what you on about? World war hulk is one of the best hulk stories and emh handles hulk extremely well.

[@altokia2724]

Eyyyyy another emh video Shit was my childhood, and I totally forgot about it for a minute.

[@kallumnoon]

Your editing is getting better with every episode!

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Love how punctual Hulk is

[@andrewt6338]

Very good point. I have several of the reprints and sometimes they are just goofy. But they can be reworked. I remember reading the Hulk and Boomerang was throwing rings for some reason. But they retooled the character a bit into something better. You cut away the bad part of an apple and use the rest. And then many apples are used to make a pie. And while I generally hate retcons, advancing a character is different. It's like Quentin Beck working for the Tinkerer. It makes sense. Or Beetle becomes Mach 1. I could see that. He's tired of getting his butt kicked. Don't change something just to change it, put some thought into it. EMH did that.

[@fortcastellan1730]

I will always have a soft spot for The Enchantress. Prrrrrrrrrobably because I first saw her as drawn by Rob Liefeld in Avengers (Heroes Reborn) #1. EMH Enchantress wasn't quite at that level, but she didn't disappoint. And, yeah, it was fun to see EMH adapt the Hulk-quits-immediately storyline.

[@angrygarbanzo5436]

If we can have Arnim Zola and Doughboy, we can have Space Phantom as a one-off villain

[@Retrophoria]

Its a shame we never got any merch from this show I would love to have some figures maybe a t shirt the characters were so likeable in this.

[@БакдаулетСайдилла-ъ4ю]

Amazing. Can you do a video about what could've been in season 2 if Man of Action hadn't interfered?

[@PillarofGarbage]

Do you mean Season 3? Or just what could have happened in Season 2 if they hadn’t been forced to wrap up the plot quickly?

[@БакдаулетСайдилла-ъ4ю]

@@PillarofGarbage season 2

[@juliiju0484]

man of Action participated a lot but not much is said about it, not even I know the story

[@XReactionsOG]

My favourite episode of the show even as a kid I loved it

[@px8864]

Please keep uploading these videos I love that this show is getting more and more recognition and your videos on the show make it even better

[@Avenger85438]

I think one of he persistent issues with the MCU is its continued use of irreverence and snark. It worked in the first Iron Man because it fit the personality of RDJ's Tony and because it was grounding itself in realism, but over time that attitude has worn out its welcome, since now every film uses it, undermining themselves because they think if they take these things seriously it'll make them look ridiculous, or open them to mockery. Like that can be prevented.

[@Vol-Tear]

7:20 and pause, why the green lantern logo on the dollar bills? unrelated to the theme of the video I know but is a odd detail that grabbed my attention whilst watching. ; p

[@chrisrodriguez2244]

You’re crushing it with this videos. Cheers!

[@jrrollins84]

Avengers Assemble cartoon did do the Space Phantom at one time, it was an OK episode.

[@bobbygould1960]

EMH was 100% true to the classic source material unlike the MCU.

[@eagle_klaw_]

Not 100% but it's the closest we've ever gotten. Iron Man's personality was definitely inspired by RDJ over the comic Tony Stark and Jarvis was unfortunately reduced to an AI instead of a butler just like in the MCU. Nick Fury was also black in spite of everything about his character and story being based on 616 Nick Fury and not Ultimate Nick Fury so that was clearly because of the MCU as well. But yeah, 100% best Marvel show ever made hand down and by far the most comic accurate Marvel show ever made.

[@windwind3170]

I love how Ultra CHULK straight up flirts with Wasp right in front of Hank and then roasts him.

[@rockotarsoldaccount]

Lol! I just read Avengers #2 yesterday! Perfect!

[@duhimdave]

I love when adaptations repudiate old ways of thinking while still maintaining what worked from the original source material. Lovecraft Country was another great example. HP Lovecraft was a known white supremacist, and the show (and I guess the book it was based on) confronted it head on, making it a black-centric story. It was a great story with the added bonus of basically throwing up a middle finger to the author.

[@metal87power]

Mandrill became Mojo Jojo.

[@familybucket6664]

I forgot/kinda didn't know who the space phantom is until this video and remembered ab a marvel encyclopedia that I read as a kid and it had the space phantom in it and his face appeared in my nightmares lmao Edit it was specifically the pic at 5:16

[@CHILL_Z0N3]

Can you talk about why the emh flashback was in the man of action in avengers assemble

[@duhimdave]

2:02 they had some trouble figuring out how many toes to give the Hulk in the early days, huh?

[@DrewLSsix]

3 toed Hulk exists, this will invade your dreams for years to come.

[@icedog1588]

The scene at 8:00 was later referenced in a deleted scene of The Incredible Hulk, intentionally or not, I hope there are EMH fans working for Marvel Studios

[@PillarofGarbage]

Some of the EMH writers actually worked on Ragnarok, I believe!

[@ryanangelastro504]

@@PillarofGarbage that’s an awesome fact!

[@erikaatayde8919]

I have NO idea why people are talking about this show, maybe it's because of Kang, idk, but I fucking love it. FINALLY This cartoon is marvel's closest thing to a DCAU.

[@priyathammanoharkoka4300]

You should do a video on the Spider-Man episode from this show

[@MrZer093]

Have you ever thought of talking about United They Stand? I watched it recently, thinking it would be a cheesy abomination…and I was right! It was truly glorious. This show is superior in pretty much every way (especially as Iron Man and Thor only ever get mentions in that and Captain America only pops up for the episode where they take on Baron Zemo) but one: Scarlet Witch’s accent was GLORIOUS! It’s a nice thick Eastern European one. Truly top notch stuff. It’s also interesting as a retrospective in how it was made well before the MCU was a twinkle in anyone’s eye, not to mention that it reflected the truly insane state of comics in the 90s. Not only were the outfits both hideous and impractical but it was also set in the future but not clear about that fact? It was truly bizarre. For those wondering: it aired in 1999 for one season on the Fox Kids block when they made a bunch of licensed Marvel shows for a time and you can currently catch it on Disney+ just like this gem! They’re often under the recommendations for each other too!

[@PillarofGarbage]

I have indeed thought about this! I’ve never watched it myself, but when I get a little further through my current backlog of video ideas I’ll definitely give it a watch and see if any original video ideas present themselves. I don’t really want to be completely pidgeonholed as ‘that guy who just talks about old marvel cartoons’, though, so unless I have something insightful to say, don’t expect a video on it anytime soon.

[@cauaviniciusguedes2004]

MCU: gets late, doesn't go direct to the point and need 10 movies to make a villain and arc saga. Animated Series: goes direct to the point since the beginning and just need 3 parts or 3 episodes to make a great arc and saga. Example, things that MCU failed and EMH did right just for making comic book stories right: Avengers team up for the first time, Hawkeye, Bruce Banner and Hulk, Ant-Man and the Wasp, Thor, Black Panther, Spider-Man, Carol Danvers, Ms Marvel, Mar-vell, Ronan, Kree, Skrulls, Masters of evil, Thunderbolts, Villains, Hydra, Ultron, Shield, Sword, Kang, Galactus, comedy, characters development, stories, plot. That's how you create and write things or something great, not making them with fan service and making seen more "interisting" so that in the end turns into generic versions.

[@dedalionarts6077]

Over all, a vey in depth and interesting history lesson. Whitch make's me wanna watch the show even more... .. And make's me hate Disney for canceling it just a bit more. Also quec question regarding the Mandrill part. Like, why his powers where originaly considered "controvercial", I can understand. And why they changed it how they did. But this maked me question... If powers like his are "controvercial", or "inappropriate".... Them how, or why characters like Poison Ivy are still a thing? Even tho she too uses "pheromon" based power, but coming from plants. (beside's them been characters from 2 diffrent comic wolds)

[@PillarofGarbage]

I'm not an expert on Poison Ivy, but I don't think comic books exploring darker themes like assault, coercion, and free will is necessarily a bad thing, but only if it's done seriously, with sensitivity and compassion. As I understand it, this wasn't often the case with Mandrill. And what makes it worse in Mandrill's case than with regard to someone like Poison Ivy, Mandrill and his powers were bound up with a lot of racist folklore/stereotyping about Africans / African-Americans and their supposed 'sexual magic'. Gladly, it's a trope that has mostly died off, but there's always that racial aspect to Mandrill's powers that makes him even more outdated.

[@dedalionarts6077]

@@PillarofGarbage well, for startes, thank you for explaining in detail WHY Mandrill "powers" where that big of a problem. A a bit more regarding histori of his creation. And as for the part regarding "dark/mature" topics in comics. I never said I had anything against it. Since like books, TV, Games etc. Comics are just anouther ways of presenting stories. And as for Mandrill/Poison Ivy comparison... To me at least it's kinda ironic that people call out character like Mandrill or Star Fox (aka the Inhuman, and Thanos Brother) for been "problematic" because of there "power of pheromons". But I never seen anything like this towards characters like DC Queen Bee, or Poison Ivy. Even tho they more or less using the same type of power.

[@joejoeington6899]

It’s knight is back

[@hiitsalex6780]

I want a Marvel animation universe. Come on DISNEY!!!

[@Mirrorcomics24]

Same man.a new x men and fantastic four series’s would be great

[@bobbygould1960]

@@Mirrorcomics24 I fear for these cartoons.

[@axels3188]

I think the EMH verison of the second Avengers comic was good and I don’t think the Phantom is really needed when you have the Enchantress.

[@klanders988]

just give space phantom posession powers and redesign him a bit mabye it could work then.

[@Thejmack115]

the idea that a supervillain needs to be deflated or changed to not be villainous is super silly and vary anti story yes mandrill was a horrifying concept and character who did awful things but get this he is a bad guy we dont need to de-fang our baddies we simply just need to understand not to underscore how bad their crimes really are.

[@PillarofGarbage]

I think Mandrill, more than many other similar villains, has an origin and powerset that we can do without in the 21st century - a lot of his comic identity is unfortunately playing with old racial stereotypes and tropes like the 'black brute' - rationalwiki.org/wiki/Black_brute - which are best left behind in my opinion. That being said, I don't think the show de-fangs him. He still has these powers, and is still a formidable foe - albeit one that cannot beat the Avengers together. It's to the show's credit that the version of Mandrill is a largely faithful one (despite having the really unsavoury elements glossed over), who is then defeated by the Wasp and the team. It isn't a rewriting of the past, but it is a repudiation of it.

[@Thejmack115]

@@PillarofGarbage I think if we deem that just because we have progressed as a society that we have the right to change someone else's art that quickly becomes a slippery slope with any medium especially comic books and I think there is something to be said about the avengers not only fighting harmful stereotypes but defeating the idea of harmful stereotypes by defeating them you can both be fighting someone who embodies a bad stereotype and be defeating the idea of that stereotype all at the same time and I think changing super villains who make us uncomfortable it's just another way of gentrifying our art but don't get me wrong I think they adapted mandrill perfectly for a children's show

[@theonethesequel]

Nice

[@defensivekobra3873]

Huh, only double digits comments and likes, i'm here moderately early

[@LucasDarkGiygas]

I know making a new Season of this show is almost impossible, but I wish they made a new animated series with the original creators.

[@markuslemerise5812]

The wasp and enchantress are so hot

[@gerardraymondpanado6542]

Is there a petition for season 3 though? I mean mcu is planning an. Xmen 97'.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

I loved Avengers-EMH but that "evil twin" business got real old real fast and they kept playing it over and over. The Skrulls were the evil twin Avengers, Amoura turned Hulk into an evil twin. It's just such a tired old trope that fans get tired of it... like stupid time travel (which EMH had a bunch of too). It's bad when the fan base longs for a simpler, more believable bad guy.

[@ZephyrBW]

I know the purple man abused his powers on many females one of which was Jessica Jones. But I guess they didn’t want two sexual predators

[@aerozord]

Punctual Hulk is best Hulk

[@captain_dsz6049]

I'm a simple man I see a emh so I click c:

[@pearsegallagher9832]

hinestly my only issue with emh is that i wish wasp did more 99% of the time her blasts did shit fuck all

[@MTV2O2O]

My question is why she doesn’t she grow large like Giant Man did more often, the Ultron-5 episode showed that she has the ability to do so…

[@bowserbreaker2515]

I think EMH is the best thing Marvel ever made period. The comics and movies have nothing on it.

[@rgama1173]

So Mandril is marvel's poison ivy?

[@PillarofGarbage]

Sort of, yeah!

[@Celtic1020]

7:49 are we really saying a villain is a bad idea because he’s a horrible person? I think you missed the point of his existence.

[@PillarofGarbage]

No, that isn’t what I said. The issue isn’t that Mandrill isn’t a very nice person. It’s that his character, powers, and story are all heavily influenced by racist stereotypes and folklore - which themselves have been responsible for harming a great many people.

[@HiperPivociarz]

I think these videos are very insightful, but I feel like the statement that you only praise the show, not criticize other Marvel projects is untrue, where the format of these videos is comparing the two, and what the other medium did wrong that EMH does better. That's criticism. And by all means, do it, but be aware that it is what you are doing in these videos. Or, if you really do want to only praise EMH, not criticize other media, I'd suggest changing the format from comparing two adaptations, to just a straight up review of EMH.

[@christophersarver6900]

Space Phantom was lame

[@HiperPivociarz]

I disagree on the Phantom being too weird and dumb for Earths' Mightiest Heroes. The show was always willing to adapt more obscure comicbook characters, and making them cool without stripping away what made them weird and unique.

[@PillarofGarbage]

You’re probably right that the show could have pulled him off (phrasing..?) but either way I really admire the elegant way they adapted his story into the ongoing story with Enchantress instead.

[@HiperPivociarz]

@@PillarofGarbage Yeah, no, this is very good, and narratively better than if the Phantom dropped in for one episode, then just dipped. I just see this attitude a lot that "this comic character is too silly to be adapted into being cool" or "this costume is too dumb", when it's all arbitrary, and just conditioning, not fact. The reason people think Green Goblin is cool but not Space Phantom is because they see Green Goblin more, and they're told he's cool. I've been told by people that Kang shouldn't have his helmet cause it's lame. And yet we EMH fans think his look is dope. People should let go of their preconceptions of coolness, and realize a good writer can make any concept work in a story.

[@harlannguyen4048]

Regarding Mandrill, I'm pretty sure they had him be easily defeated not because they want feminist empowerment moment, but because nobody cares about Mandrill and they wanted a throwaway villain for the scene. I think you're just reading into something that isn't there.

[@PillarofGarbage]

With respect, I’m not sure I agree. While I’m sure that was a reason too - needing a disposable villain for this establishing scene - the team behind EMH know their stuff. They’ll have known the history of Mandrill, and the ways early issues had him use his powers. To me, the fact that the scene plays out the way it does given this awareness on the writers’ part is evidence enough for the reading I make.

[@harlannguyen4048]

@@PillarofGarbage Then how do you explain Purple Man's depiction in Season 2? He has done horrible things to women in the comics (specifically Jessica Jones), but he isn't treated like how Mandrill was.

[@visionclaudetheprince1407]

Claude I was around when I space Phantom first aired I enjoyed it I like this new one I lost interest I hate to say this The Originals way better than this garbage the animation is great did not like the storyline I grew up back in the 60s and 70s are cartoons was corny but it worked

[@LordTyph]

...Why is it 'problematic' to have a villain who is a threat to women and is implied to have done things to them without their consent? I can understand if the idea is trying to avoid that sort of stuff to ensure kids don't get introduced to horrifying concepts before they get to old but otherwise... dude, he's a villain. He does evil things. The idea of manipulating women gives girls a reason to fear him and boys a reason to hate him, meaning it's very reasonable to root for the heroes to stop him. What, are you saying that it's problematic because his targets are women? Sure, so Poison Ivy and her pheremones are just as problematic then, given how she uses them, to my knowledge, against men.

[@PillarofGarbage]

I’m not making the claim that the power to control women is inherently problematic. In Mandrill’s case, the issue lies in the way it intersects with the history of racist American folk mythology around the supposed sexual hypnosis powers possessed by the African and African-American races.

[@LordTyph]

@@PillarofGarbage I... what? I dont think anyone would have known or even cared about that factoid. I sure as hell didn't. EDIT: ...Hold on, is that even REAL? That just sounds so dumb.

[@cocoon1516]

3 seconds too late :(

[@rahmellbrown162]

This show was amazing. The new marvel avengers cartoon are terrible!! Animations sucks ass and the marvel avengers new cartoon is just soo bad.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Oh, clutch the pearls. The KZbinr is offended by a womanizing villain. Give it a rest.