How bad are Apple’s updates on the slowest devices?

[@jetpropulsionlabrador3615]

I was thinking “Oh so like an iPhone 6 or 7? My 11’s not that old.” Then I saw “6 years”.

[@emileriksson76]

I'm also on an 11. Not lacking anything so please don't obsolete me, i still have a year of paying it off. Sweating Face Emoji.

[@truthteller2711]

@@emileriksson76wtf ur paying 6 years for a phone?

[@OhSoTiredMan]

@@emileriksson76 You've been paying it off for 6 years?

[@calebmenker988]

@@emileriksson76 If you are still paying for a phone 6 years later, then you couldn't afford the phone when you got it

[@ThatIceChampion]

@@emileriksson76jeez what do you pay for your phone monthly? $5?

[@BG-jn2ql]

ArsTechnica made a good point: It's a bit odd that the 7th-gen iPad makes the cutoff while the 6th-gen model and both of those iPad Pro models (10.5-inch iPad Pro, and the second-generation 12.9-inch) do not, given that all are powered by either the Apple A10 or A10X processor. The iPad Pros also include 4GB of RAM, where the 7th-gen iPad only has 3GB. Apple's cutoffs for software support are occasionally based on the age of the product instead of the product's specs; all of the dropped iPads came out in 2017 or early 2018, which the 7th-gen iPad was introduced in 2019. Still, it's too bad that hardware that is clearly capable of running the OS isn't officially supported.

[@acadiachair]

The M1 came out in 2019. Does that mean it won't receive software support in 2-3 years? People are still buying those new today. That seems wild.

[@Raidoguy]

@@acadiachair yes no new IOS updates, but still important security updates

[@jekaufo]

App will still works so its fine

[@nylotical]

@@acadiachair I expect at least 8

[@acadiachair]

@@nylotical It could be as soon as 2 years that it gets left behind. That feels really premature. There’s been a trend in the Android world to extend support. Apple was already ahead in that regard. If they continue to be supported in terms of security I suppose that’d be enough. I just can’t imagine an M1 not being good enough for most even in 3 years.

[@ayush8]

That margin between windows you talk about at 7:12 can be turned off in settings (Settings > Desktop & Dock > Under *Windows* section > Tiled windows have margins -> OFF). Also, at 8:08 you can make the screen/text larger for iphone mirroring by clicking on View menu and selecting 'Larger' from it when the iphone mirroring app is in focus.

[@jaskirat1999]

Was about to say the same thing. Removing the border between windows was there from Beta 1, and resizing iPhone mirroring was introduced around Beta 2 or 3. Really expected more research to be done from a Mac Address video, or at least waiting till the RC build to come out next week before finalizing the video.

[@jcfawerd]

@@jaskirat1999 well, LMG never learns

[@mardymarvin8441]

was just thinking the same and then just thought O that was not very well investigated was it and goes to show dont ever rely on a single place for information

[@theunstoppablebrigade4277]

Wanted to add the reason they added margins in the first place was to more easily grab the resizing handles for resizing windows simultaneously

[@l.s.11]

Seems like a very abyzmal mistake to make for an Apple focused channel...

[@سعیداکبرزاده-غ7ه]

the main problem with older and base apple’s devices is nearly always insufficient RAM. like it or not, adding new bells and whistles cost memory and these devices will drop background apps and browser tabs more frequently to the point that it becomes annoying.

[@morceaudebois]

Exactly, and it’s always been this way, it’s really frustrating. I can feel it even on my relatively recent iPhone 13 mini that only has 4Gb of ram, the same as a 6 year old iPhone XS.

[@LukeTR2000]

With iPad and iPhones that might be right. But I've found my 2018 MacBook Pro just struggles with anything now and it has 16GB RAM. Even doing basic google searching it struggles and takes ages to load up the results

[@morceaudebois]

@@LukeTR2000 I’m not surprised, Intel Macs are not Apple’s focus anymore, they have no incentive to make them age well (quite the opposite even). It really sucks for people like you who bought a Mac a few years before Apple Silicon :(

[@inputerase]

@@LukeTR2000Strange! My MacBook Pro 2018 13” 16GB works like it’s new! The only thing that’s annoying.., are the “animated wallpapers” that is using CPU and RAM, turn that off and everything is smooth again!

[@سعیداکبرزاده-غ7ه]

@@LukeTR2000 base apple devices came with 4 and 8 gb though. 16 gb is enough and older apple devices with 16gb would function just fine. but apple charge so much for ram. 200-300$ more at least. if your 2018 device with 16gb ram is sluggish there's probably something wrong with it. I suggest at least a factory reset once to see if it gets better.

[@JustinSulak]

2:18 important to note that RCS in its current implementation IS encrypted (unlike SMS, which has no encryption), but it is not end-to-end encrypted. This means that if someone were to intercept your message, it would still in fact be encrypted. But if a government agency were to subpoena your carrier in this standard encryption, your messages could theoretically be decrypted by your cell phone carrier, as your carrier would have that encryption key

[@Celphirio]

Glad someone said this. Also noticed that MA wasn't aware that you can turn off margins for window tiling and make the iPhone Mirroring larger, but I guess expecting well-researched videos from LMG is asking too much lol.

[@calebahill7]

@@CelphirioI think it’s fine. This video is well researched. It’s not perfect. If you require perfection you’re going to be disappointed a lot. It’s also not bad of them to complain about the borders since it’s enabled by default.

[@ZK-APA]

6:43 only reason they had to “quote” a ltt video on MA is so that Colton doesn’t copyright strike this video and get fired again lol

[@39zack]

😂😂

[@servissop151]

I know I sound like the nerd emoji, but I'm pretty sure that's standard procedure, they do that on the LTT channel even with LTT videos

[@p16r]

Neat intro with the devices morphing into the old physical design

[@Devastator0]

Just watched this video and realised that my iPhone 6S just recently got iOS 15.8.3. Crazy that it's still getting active support.

[@beanmasterz]

That's not active support

[@Funkteon]

@@beanmasterz Then what is?

[@migidid]

@@Funkteon In certain industries or jurisdictions, there may be legal or regulatory requirements to maintain security for a certain period, even after the official support ends. Failure to address critical vulnerabilities could lead to legal liabilities specially if the software is used in regulated environments, like healthcare.

[@MaxPower-11]

True, but unfortunately, I suspect this support will end very soon. Apple tends to provide critical patches for the version that’s two versions behind the most current version. iOS 15 will drop outside of this window with the official release of iOS 18. This might be the time to consider a newer device. This is why I am planning to replace my first gen iPad Pro late next year when support for iPadOS 16 ends completely.

[@migidid]

@@MaxPower-11 everything after iOS 15.6 to 15.8.3 has been only patching critical vulnerabilities and not a single feature.

[@SilentdragonDe]

The worst thing about modern iPad OS on my iPad 8th Gen is that just the OS and "System Files" take up like 16GB now. Having only 32GB to work with, that stings. Other than that, it's perfectly fine.

[@servissop151]

Do an itunes restore, or better, a 3u tools reinstall, they have a few options for that

[@luckylukeskywalker]

Better try not to touch that maximum gb - otherwise you'll probably not say that 'perfectly fine' about that anymore.. (experiences - several times)

[@Some___loner]

Never knew T-9 dialing could become a feature.

[@TheXavierEvera]

Everything can if you hold onto it for long enough

[@earthling_parth]

Apple - tomorrow's prices for yesterday's features.

[@sylvianblade75]

Pro tip: If you’re using an Intel Mac make sure you enable Reduce transparency, Reduce motion and increase contrast in accessibility settings. You will notice a massive improvement in day to day performance. I am still using my macbook pro from 2013 with the latest update with minimal stuttering

[@zahitemremetin606]

what does increasing contrast have to do with the performance?

[@testdump4696]

I will never get over the fact that Apple dropped support for the iPad Pro 2nd Gen (12.9 and 10.5 inch) but still give the iPadOS 18 update to the newer but much slower iPad 7 just because it came out later. Planned obsolescence at its best

[@mysteriousm1]

Considering how well they support older devices in general, I somewhat doubt it’s just planned obsolescence

[@ben6527]

I have an iPad Pro 10.5 and it is nearly impossible to use. Super Slow Never Runs at the 120 Hertz. Dims the Screen constantly so i updated to an M1 iPad pro. And it is a day and Night difference

[@StripesOO7]

Meanwhile me still running the 1.Gen iPad air from 2013 with iOS 12.5.7. Its slow af but does work just as fine for youtube. Well almost nothing besides yt still works but 🫠🤷‍♂️ (non of the other streaming services, no twitch, no amazon shopping,….)

[@stevejobsreal]

For iPads, it's usually generation based. The iPad 7 released a year after and although it's not a Pro, it had a newer chip so it can run iPadOS 18. Same for iPhones. If you take a look at the X and XS phones, although the XS is better than the X, both dropped support for iOS 18 since both run the same chip and therefore on the same generation.

[@andreabulla8204]

@@stevejobsrealwhat? XS supports iOS 18 and has a newer, faster chip than X

[@TimeLoopProductions]

Genuinely my iPhone XR still runs like a dream with the beta

[@beanmasterz]

Keep telling yourself that brokie

[@Ash-qp2yw]

That’s good to hear - my XR has had no problems, no slowdown, and I don’t really want to upgrade just yet

[@magicalruin]

@@beanmasterzPretty much the opposite- most people who keep phones long are very money conscious and thus have more. If you see a new phone as a status symbol, i cant help you.

[@jhunhior]

@@magicalruinyep. he’s just looking for acceptance from people.

[@Bruno-d61]

@@magicalruinmore cope

[@JuanFmTech]

5:56 “how about a real computer” nice ipad burn lol

[@bradhaines3142]

its a known fact apple does all it can to keep ipad from being like a real computer. thatd eat hard into macbook sales

[@KTSpeedruns]

It's also a burn for tablets in general.

[@servissop151]

@@KTSpeedruns Samsung tablets are sadly sameish There's a lot less limitations on the OS side, but no one makes tablet versions of apps like they do on iPad with final cut or whatever they have So you're stuck using alight motion and capcut mobile blown out to 10 inches

[@christophermueller952]

There's been a lot of buzz lately about older iPhones on newer software getting camera "downgrades" to incite you to update more. Considering what they did with 1st gen AirPod Pros, I would love to see a video on this to see if its true.

[@zt9233]

what did they do to first gen airpods

[@Crusader1089]

The airpod pros got downgraded because of a patent concern, not to make people upgrade. It was a problem with all of the Apple earbuds with noise cancelling.

[@GuilhermeKonrath]

Even though my iPad 2 is more than 10 years old, I still use it as a monitor for my house security cameras! I find that Apple products have a long life even after they are no longer supported!

[@whitebeartigtig]

My iPad 1 running iOS 5.1.1 jailbroken can still watch a bit of youtube surprisingly. Not something that could have happened without community support, but I find pretty awesome nethertheless.

[@nikostalk5730]

@@whitebeartigtig wait until Apple will brick your device. cause, you know - you can't just use it, GO BUY NEW ONE, WE WANT YOUR MONEY!

[@tim3172]

@@nikostalk5730 They'll be waiting a *LOOOONNNNGGGGG* time because that would be the first time Apple did that... ever.

[@BocchiTheLock]

Yeah nah. iPads and iPhones last a long time as long as there’s no inherent hardware flaw (touch disease, etc). You’d be right about MacBooks though. Those things are abhorrent. The latest ones seem to buck the trend of premature failure though

[@nikostalk5730]

@@BocchiTheLock Nope. Many iPhones just died due to software issues (red screen of death) on my statistics (mostly 5-5s-se), others died due to NAND, others died with battery charging issues. My friend's 7Plus died just due to screen issues, and then - after replacing a screen - we restore it, and it just worked for like 6 months, and make a battery to "grow up" and smash the screen. Also much more 4-4s died due to unsucesssful update, which Apple FORCED to roll out to such phones, just because "stop using old phones", same for old ipads. Newer phones suffer from batter and screen issues, also Apple rolling out updates to STOP repair them (touch id, true tone, 3d touch, jailbreak), and force you to buy new instead of reparing old (which is, obviously cost AND privacy (!) effective.

[@MoChuang343]

I upgraded my wife’s 2013 11” MBA to the 2020 Intel one. I was a tech novice back then. I thought oh they fixed the keyboard and finally quad core CPUs…yeah Apple really screwed me on that. Core i5 16/512 model total waste of money…that useless POS fan…Sold it for $800 just 1.5 years later and traded it for the base M1 MBA on sale for $800 and never looked back. M1 Air is a legendary machine.

[@ethanjrdz]

Glad you traded it on time. Intel MacBooks prices went down pretty fast

[@feistyfinn9365]

I’m still rocking the 2018 iPad Pro. It got me through end of high school and a bachelor degree. I say it’s probably the best iPad ever made.

[@IlBiggo]

My ipad is a second generation (or how you call an iPad that's not the first made, but the next one). It works exactly as when I got it. I guess my needs haven't changed much since 2012.

[@shreyameshram]

Same here

[@jojobobbubble5688]

Solid video. I'd love more of this flavor. Especially around productivity. I'm no longer a Mac SysAdmin but I know I would have loved to have these types of tests performed and presented previously. Maybe add a splash of Security features and explain how staying on the older versions could negatively affect security of the device. Both in frequency of updates and any relevant features added.

[@crash.override]

I am a little disappointed at the lack of objective benchmarking (e.g. Speedometer on Safari; battery life) before/after applying the update.

[@jcfawerd]

This is LTT, what do you expect? Professional review?

[@benchy5769]

@@jcfawerdthis isn’t LTT, it’s Mac Address, these videos are made for quick overview, not benchmarking like Labs does.

[@rajat1960]

more disappointed that they didnt try the actual slowest Macs available- like the i3 8gb 2020 Air

[@jcfawerd]

@@benchy5769 I’m sorry, let me say that again, this is LMG, what do you expect? Professional review?

[@LeftJoystick]

@@benchy5769 Sounds like a legendary cop-out. There is no reason why Mac Address could not leverage Labs’ testing. The point of this channel is to focus on Apple’s products. It’s not “The Techquickie of Apple Products”, is it? It’s literally LMG’s Apple channel.

[@bartz0rt928]

I can see the math drawing app being useful for students (though it would be a lot more useful if it ran on a desktop OS), because one of the most annoying things I had to do back in uni is embedding mathematical formulas in text documents (for papers and such) and every way of doing that was a massive pain, so having essentially good OCR and type setting for that would've been a huge time saver. The actual analysis is a nice feature, but there have been ways of doing that on any computer for at least two decades now.

[@ZipplyZane]

Yeah. I just do math for fun these days, but I've wished at times I could just draw the math symbols I wanted to type in. Hell, it wouldn't suck just to be able to draw any Unicode character. There was this one website that would search for characters that way, but if you could just write things out and have it read them? That would be amazing.

[@DanEmmons]

I’m still using my 2009 Mac Pro tower with 128GB ram, dual 2.6Ghz machine. 15 years old still going strong

[@AtomekKotalke]

Older Mac’s with El Capitan run faster than most people think they can

[@ethanjrdz]

That software was just perfect. “Modern” and snappy, my 2009 mbp flies

[@Voxelicious]

Honestly I feel the same on this mac with big sur like its old and all but it lets me do stuff losing 1-2 percent of battery after a long time and even with high resource like gaming I can go well over an hour or two at a much higher fps than intel macbook and this intel macbook had much better specs (it was a pro) and this is just a macbook air

[@DigitalN]

The iPhone mirroring not being resizable is especially annoying when you use a 16” MBP with display scaling. Hopefully they let you resize it soon

[@mrupwardlymobile657]

My oldest working Macs are home server related, things I use to backup old DVDs, and things I Remote Desktop into to run. ‘06 and ‘10 Mac Pro towers, and two ‘11 Mac minis are plugged into TVs as home theatre pcs that really only see occasional emulated retro gaming sessions once or twice a year these days.

[@Arkid77777]

Seriously I just dualbooted my iPad 3 to iOS 6 and it’s crazy how fast it is compared to the final iOS 9 update even thought it’s UI is much more advanced

[@pracalt1051]

Past Apple was really bad at optimising last updates and iOS 9 on 4s is biggest example of that Thankfully after 4s the iPhone 5 on iOS 10 is very useable

[@yt_warrior9822]

Could you guide me through it. I have an ipad air 1 running ios 12.5.7. I want to compare the performances between ios versions.

[@pracalt1051]

@@yt_warrior9822 unfortunately you can’t do that on 64bit devices(which your air 1 is) Well.. There is a way to dualboot it using semaphorin However you need a mac to do that since your device is A7 and the dualbooted version may lose some features like Touch ID cellular and such because of sep limitations

[@Thewaterspirit57]

⁠@@pracalt1051dude the 4S had a low amount of ram with an already underclocked SOC 💀 the iPhone 5 had a far larger upgrade gap compared to previous models. The 3GS to the iPhone 4 was a small jump from 256MBs of ram to 512MBs, then what the 4S did was give the thing a dual core CPU. Once the iPhone 5 was in development, they began designing the SOC based on ARM in their own way. It wasn’t just that they optimized better, it’s that apple stopped holding back and made the device more powerful. Even if 1GBs of ram doesn’t seem like a lot, everything else in the whole package was. Which either way they were already pretty decent at optimizing stuff back then, since it’s their own bespoke product (compared to android that is) Plus these were apples earlier devices, with three or four major version updates and that’s it. Compared to what we have now, where some devices went through 6 or more major IOS versions.

[@alexmeek610]

@@pracalt1051the 4s shouldn’t have gotten iOS 9 to begin with neither should the iPad 2 they desperately needed 1gb of ram

[@simontalks5752]

Still using a Mac mini from 2012 (16GB ram and updated to Sonoma with Opencore) and quite smooth for daily tasks!

[@cliff8928]

Same with my trashcan Mac Pro and early 2013 MBPr.

[@technocatdance]

I just got a 2017 macbook pro 15.4 for $500 cad and my friend was so worried how old it was and it runs just fine, I plan to just let it run the older os and it shouldn't ever really "slow down" my next laptop upgrade likely 16 inch mbp in 3 years or so lol

[@ryanroche2442]

8:10 you can resize it. It’s in the window tab of the menu bar

[@NathanielD05]

Was just about to comment this

[@jeremyreyesc]

you can also CMD, + in order to enlarge or CMD, - in order to reduce the size.

[@LeftJoystick]

Watching this on an iPad Pro 2018. This thing somehow still almost feels new.

[@tj2375]

Finally someone on KZbin points out that math notes are interesting but aren't really useful.

[@EMPeter]

I have one use case for it: board game score board, it could sum up points automatically... if it worked well

[@adamvictor9124]

I'm still using a 6s plus. All the bloat from iOS and certain websites slow it down but it still does pretty much everything I need it to.

[@MaxPower-11]

Unfortunately, the 6s is expected to stop receiving software updates once iOS 18 is released given Apple’s typical support pattern (providing critical updates for two versions behind the most current OS version).

[@pracalt1051]

@@MaxPower-11they released last iOS 12 security patch one year ago lol (iOS 17 was newest os)

[@MaxPower-11]

@@pracalt1051 the last iOS 12 relaese was more than a year and a half ago and the one before that was two years ago. Anything older than current+two iOS releases back gets very erratic, if any, releases but newer than that gets regular updates. In other words, if your device is not in one of the past three releases you may be exposed to significant security vulnerabilities.

[@TheVincentKyle]

@@MaxPower-11 Weird, I had a 6s+ that utterly refuses to go past something like iOS 12.x or similar. It's never even been connected to a cell network, I don't get it.

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

The 6S plus may do everything you needed to do, but it’s a worst experience with how slow it must be now.

[@Mr.C0ffee]

Glad to have u back Mac Linus 💚

[@JakubVacek42]

With the big iOS updates in past, the optimization for the oldest devices was always a couple months later after the release.

[@lizardunderwater]

Do I have an Apple device? No. Did I watch this whole video? Yes.

[@unamelable256]

I had a throwback when he mentioned Iphone 10. In 2017 whole internet yelled about black bar on the top

[@iron_b0olt]

I have been using Xr for 6 years now (will be 6 full years of usage in late october). Battery has 73% life left, it usually does not make the day, which I solved with a wireless charger at work. Will be upgrading to a 16 Pro this year. Finally, the time has come. I will keep my product red XR as well, because it is such a beautiful device.

[@Clickworker101]

9 years of updates should be mandatory for macbook

[@yvan2563]

Better make it 10 years, it's a nice round number.

[@yt_warrior9822]

In apple's word, it would be X years. It's value is subject to change as per it's whims

[@Morecreativemind]

9 seems like alot and apple wouldn't do 9.. but It'd be amazing

[@eugene1640]

I have a 13” MacBook Pro late 2012, and it works great on macOS Sonoma.

[@Spladoinkal]

I'd just be happy with security updates. That's the stuff that gets dangerous if you don't update it.

[@randomfinn13]

It’s kinda funny how my 2012 MacBook Pro on open core legacy patcher runs sequoia so much better then those 8 years newer

[@A4orce84]

Wow, I feel like this video is targeted directly at me! As a person who uses an iPhone XR and iPad 7th gen daily and upgrades to 2nd-hand / used / refurb Apple devices, I appreciate this video! I also appreciate Apple still offering support on my "old" devices for now, and not gimping the experience. Sounds like that's not the same for the MacOS users though unfortunately. I plan on upgrading my iPhone in the short-term to a refurb iPhone 14 or 15 when the prices drop when the iPhone 16 comes out in 2 weeks. Great job Jonathan, please keep the awesome videos coming!

[@ethanjrdz]

With the apple silicon transition and AI capabilities is unfortunate and clear why apple aims to cut software support on Intel Macs which struggle or can’t run this features at all. Glad your iPad and iPhone still keeps up with your usage!

[@Piipperi800]

I do use a 2018 Mac mini as a daily desktop computer, and I'm running Sequoia beta on it. It feels about as fast as my M3 Air, maybe because the mini has the i7-8700 and a full desktop graphics card via an eGPU. Not to mention 120 hz displays haha.

[@pedrowilson8344]

Same situation here, the difference is that my model is an i5 with 32gb of RAM. I use a 165hz 2k ultrawide monitor and even so I have a total fluidity. Unfortunately, the bottleneck of the mac mini 2018 is its GPU... and I believe this can make Apple kill it next year (I hope I'm wrong)

[@tipoomaster]

Laughs in 2015 15" MacBook Pro dual graphics on Sonoma with OCLP, long past Tim Apple wanted me to landfill it

[@Lael128]

I’m still rocking my 2012 MBP with 16gb ram. I’ve had to use an alternate browser now, but everything else I need works just fine!

[@SteveDonev]

Proof that ipads absolutely have no business running m chips. You can use an ancient a10 chip and still do and the usual ipad media consumption tasks

[@yt_warrior9822]

I still use the ipad air 1 (2014 model), it stills rock for consuming media and as a book reader. It's more than 10yrs old and after a battery replacement it still rocks a solid battery backup and the only drawback is that newer apps which didn't have ios 12 versions don't work at all.

[@ObtuseAcute1]

2:30 it's most likely not the iPhones RCS feature, Google messages has been having RCS issues for the past 3 years and Google is pretending like it doesn't.

[@CodaBroda]

What a great idea for a video! It’s rare to see new content and coverage for older devices like this from most mainstream outlets, thank you!

[@Marcos87600]

2:06 Rich Communication Services*

[@coasterblu9892]

How did they miss this lol

[@JuanFmTech]

LMG: “checking videos for errors? What is that?”

[@Marcos87600]

@@JuanFmTech i mean it's not like they don't check videos for errors, this was just plausible enough for them to mess it up. Also it's Mac address so idk expect anything.

[@Welshmanshots]

bit of a nitpick aye

[@Marcos87600]

@@Welshmanshots precisely.

[@kt2025]

Watching this right now from iPad 7 with the A10 Chip and I can totally agree on that, that it is keeping up great with the updates. The only thing which is keeping me a little bit back is the fact that I got 32GB of Storage but otherwise it still runs like a dream and the Battery Life is still great I get up to 10 hours of typing with the original Apple Keyboard with charging it up to around 80%. Hopefully Apple will continue to update this iPad.

[@sumirat6888]

As someone who is using iPad 7th gen. Ya it’s a bit slow now, but the Apps got more demanding and my battery is degraded so yeah it’s okayish. But the best experience which I had with this iPad was on iOS 14

[@nathanhollow0]

i hate how mac address never really add any new information but i watch them all anyway

[@manuel0578]

You’d almost think that Apple intentionally releases software updates for devices that can’t really run them properly anymore just to force you to upgrade to a new device. And on most devices you can’t downgrade to the previous version anymore without jailbreaking. iOS 18 runs like shit on my iPhone 11 Pro Max. The guy in the video probably set up the iPhone XR as a completely new device, which isn’t representative of real world conditions.

[@diegofkda199]

Rocking the Air 2019. As an engineering student who loves iCloud Notes, the math notes feature will be super welcome, as I normally draw graphs manually. I preferred the Air to a refurbished Pro at the time 'cause the Air had a better processor, so I figured it would've been better for iOS support.

[@Triflixfilms]

Snubbing the 2017 intel iMac was such a slap in the face... Are you telling me 64gb ram and an 8gb dedicated GPU can't handle your "OS update"?

[@e-11]

My oldest supported device is my iPhone 12 mini. Love this thing and will use it until it breaks.

[@TimpossibleOne]

5:08 dude can't write a simple X and he blames the Apple product SMH

[@subsy4132]

Great, but a couple of notes. The gap for window snapping can be turned off in the settings, and iPhone mirroring has a basic resize option in the menu where you can set it to “large”.

[@AdityaSinha-p6x]

in short. apple designs their hardware and software in such a way that you will always need to keep them updated whether it is software or hardware.

[@FloresdorfGaming]

iPad Mini 1st Gen and iPad 2 on iOS 9 are a nightmare. I still use them almost daily

[@HearMeLearn]

oldest device I have that still gets the new update is probably my iPhone 11 pro max and it works fine. It's noticeably not as good as newer ones but it does the job. My watch is the series 5 but they decided not to give that watch the new update for whatever reason.

[@Cyrillvs]

I have an iPhone 14 Pro but when I go to school I use my iPhone 11 Pro for safety purposes I’m sad that it will stop updating soon 😔

[@Jezzrichjames]

Great video, but I think another aspect that wasn’t covered enough in this video is that when there’s an update, Apple also updates the security features for the device, which makes the device more resilient against hacking

[@nikostalk5730]

nah, they just patching backdoors for jailbreaking or OTHER type of possible repair of old iphones. Thus, making it TO LAG.

[@gullible119]

​@@nikostalk5730 ?

[@colinstu]

I'm on a 8 Plus... this year is when I finally upgrade.

[@gagehanke]

I don't currently have any devices that won't technically receive the latest updates, however, I’m using a Mid 2014 13" MacBook Pro, which I’ve been able to run the latest MacOS Sonoma 14.6.1 on by using the OpenCore Legacy Patcher. It’s been really interesting to see how well this almost decade-old Mac can handle the latest software, even though it's officially unsupported. It feels like it still has some life left in it, despite its age. I think it would be great if you made a video exploring how older Macs like the 2015 MacBook Pro perform with the latest updates using OpenCore. This Mac specifically was incredibly popular and is still in use by many people today. It would be fascinating to see how they stack up against newer models, both in terms of performance and usability, and to learn if it’s still worth keeping them around or if they are finally reaching the end of their useful life with use of OpenCore. I personally plan to upgrade to MacOS 15 Sequoia through OpenCore once it officially launches. The performance on Sonoma even on my Mid 2014 MBP is perfect for my basic use, watching content, word processing and as a Remote Desktop for work.

[@jakubzneba1965]

this

[@jeffffff]

OCLP is great! I have Sonoma on some 2012 retina MBPs I saved from ewaste. The dedicated gpu in them is still good enough to run basic Unity engine games.

[@mathewhumvee]

Android users will blast iPhones, but the moment you ask them about updates on their two year old device and they start making excuses. Apple gets all the shit, most they do deserve. But the fact they keep updating legacy hardware way way farther than anyone else is downright impressive. Now there is a big disagreement with updates. Yes many companies do keep updates to their flagship devices. But if your buying a mid range android device, your kinda rolling the dice if it will get any updates. Which isn’t the case on the iPhone. I can buy the lowest spec model today, and can expect to get at least a few years of updates.

[@FilipKotula]

this was true maybe 5 years ago, but not anymore. all the latest Samsung and Google phones get 7 years of OS updates

[@Nam3Iess]

This is why I came from Android to Apple and after the 5th year now I will never switch to Android again. Regular updates and big SW releases to older devices, never had any issue with any apps while on Android there is always some wonky shit going on. I loved to mess with custom ROMs, etc. on Windows Mobile and then Android, but after hitting a certain age, You just want something that works LOL.

[@superhavi]

@@FilipKotulaThey promised seven years of updates one year ago. Given the track record of google and their promises, I’m in doubt that it will happen. Remember Android One or the Pixel Pass. Similar promises that lasted two years. Let’s wait until the seven years are over. Meanwhile the nine year old iPhone 6s still gets security updates.

[@FilipKotula]

@@superhavi google is bad in keeping promises, but Samsung has kept them

[@tim3172]

@@FilipKotula My Samsung Tab S7+ is already running out of date software. They haven't even released the Tab S10 and they've refused for more than a year to upgrade to One UI 6 because... you know... Reasons?

[@lenajk2004]

my 2019 MacBook Pro 16 actually runs the update super well, but it is basically maxed out, besides RAM.

[@diracraj1]

5:49 go to two folks, ask if they will use a feature and say "people don't use this feature as much"... Please put in a little more effort. Some aspects of the video are so good. Others not so much.

[@wisdomyaw03]

Bingo!

[@Ravengeno]

You could try that yourself since that isnt said at your timestamp.

[@bigstonez1125]

I have a Mac from 2015…haven’t been able to update it in almost 5 years

[@BigBob-p9d]

My M2 iPad Pro’s on the public beta and the battery is 💩

[@RWBHere]

I refused to upgrade my iMac, years ago, even though it can run more recent OS builds, because it runs an essential 32-bit app which has never been re-issued as a 64-bit app with the same functionality. Now, if there was a way to run 32-bit apps on a modern Mac, I'd jump at the chance, and upgrade the Mac immediately.

[@lemonotype]

I always find it super interesting that in North America you're still really into text messaging when in most countries people sent their last SMS in the early 2000s lol. We literally only get them for OTP's these days.

[@CoiledDracca]

You do what instead? Most of us don't want voice or video.

[@lemonotype]

​@@CoiledDracca Most of the globe (aside from China) uses Whatsapp for texting

[@gutia3400]

​​@@CoiledDraccaMany other countries it's the staus quo to use a third party app, such as WhatsApp since iphone is not as poular for iMessage to be viable. Here in the US Apple was able to establish a large enough stake in the market early on that iMessage became the status quo, and android users were left out (hence the blue bubbles green bubbles)

[@the48thronin97]

@@CoiledDraccathey use text messages through whatsapp or other masking services, which are pretty much the same thing so Idk why this guy feels so smug about it.

[@ghost-user559]

@@CoiledDraccaThey use even less secure third parties and give all their data to apps instead of using the already risky carrier services. Out of the frying pan and into the furnace lol.

[@chickenbawqueyt]

Still using iOS 16 on my iPad 7. I don’t plan on upgrading since I just use it to watch youtube most of the time. I can’t wait for iOS 18 for my iPhone tho

[@arkabhowmik7832]

I have the 2018 iPad Pro 11. It still runs buttery smooth. Heck, if I placed this next to an iPad Air M2, most people would think the 2018 iPad Pro is the newer iPad

[@Conkuist]

II got the 12,9 and had the same experience but the battery is showing its age after over 5 years of daily use.

[@tim3172]

"most people would think the 2018 iPad Pro is the newer iPad" I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. My 2018 iPad Pro 11 works fine... it's not in the same league as an M2 Air if you do anything vaguely strenuous with it.

[@Conkuist]

@@tim3172 "I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion." They are visually almost identical.😂

[@joopie46614]

The dig at apple for window snapping was the best part 😂

[@Motwera]

I didn't even start the video, and you said basically the same thing as I did, oh my god

[@BollingHolt]

Oldest machines I am running include Mac Pros from 2008, 2009 iMac, 2014 Mac mini, 2014 MacBook Pro, 2014 iMac with OCLP. Trying to squeeze as much out of them as I can, and I hope something similar to OCLP will exist for the Apple silicon chips. I love my M2 Mac mini.

[@finadoggie]

6:55 please tell me the mac isn’t actually that laggy

[@sergiwedge452]

Actual footage :p

[@fritsmolenaar05]

My 2015 MacBook Pro runs on Sonoma, and when Sequoia comes out, it will probably run better.

[@Radi0he4d1]

Its true

[@45545videos]

Yes, the Intel machines are just terrible. Literally the same hardware as a Windows machine but with drastically worse cooling, therefore worse performance

[@jonathanschober1032]

6:45 “was someone’s idea”. I always felt like I was the only one who remembered those commercials. Nice callback!

[@SoldierSide88]

3:40 Are you wearing a Borussia Dortmund shirt? Are you a football fan? (I know it's called soccer where you're from, but I'm European, so I really couldn't care less about that xD)

[@riccia888]

I have no issue slowing down because I dont use Mac. I'm using a pc still going strong more than 10 years.

[@bluephreakr]

Apple has _no choice_ but to keep supporting the older x86 devices, lest every single one of them in the hands of capable individuals no longer supported by Apple becomes a Linux box. _And this will certainly happen_ because people who wish to be environmentally-conscious do not want to put good hardware in the garbage just because Apple said so, and they have to avoid the bad publicity they'd share with Microsoft deeming capable older rigs unfit to run Windows 11. _But_ here's the rub; if you have an older Apple machine, and older PC, they can act _in union_ with a single Linux system, aside from some hardware quirks using a third-party OS that can certainly be ironed out with a little bit of work, using open-source software that bridges the gap and makes use on each almost seamless. So while you lose the professional application support, _all else_ should work out fine *if* everything you do is isolated to web use or cross-platform offerings.

[@LeftJoystick]

I agree - it seems obvious that “just install Linux” is the answer for older laptops/etc., but I think you vastly overestimate the average person’s tech ability. Linux can absolutely breathe new life into older machines, and Apple’s hardware is second to none, but even something as simple as installing a fresh OS - much less installing an entirely different one - seems like rocket science to the layman. Probably the biggest hurdle ‘Former College Student #1’ over here would have would be just…knowing which distro to run. Like, how would they even figure that out? But let’s say they do, and they choose Linux Mint for their 2014 MacBook Pro. What a lucky choice! Their Wi-Fi drivers might even work [after install is complete, of course, because god forbid the drivers work during setup]. And then comes the trackpad and scrolling - even a polycarb, white Macbook from 2007 will have better/smoother scrolling than Linux out of the box. It will 100% feel janky as hell compared to Apple’s tuning of pointer control. Idk, I could go on with random quirks but, for the layperson, running Linux on an old Mac is not simple as one would hope.

[@profosist]

I think you misunderstand the container they'll just continue to use them unsupported

[@Viper-dn8ix]

The one thing that annoys me a little bit is that voice memo transcribing was not available on the iPad Air 3, but is on the iPad Air 4. That's a very niche annoyance though.

[@manuel0578]

We also don’t have phone call recording or live transcript in Europe 😂

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

The funny thing is my company’s IT policy THE latest updates…

[@jeffreydanilko6657]

I can not use it with the new IT policies my employer implemented. Says it’s an unsupported device. After actually reading the TOS, I would be giving them the right to lock down/ wipe my entire device. So I won’t be doing that.

[@ScottEmbler]

Literally couldn’t hear a word you said after you pronounced the word “sorry” like that because the Canadian national anthem started blaring so loudly in my head.

[@alexandrumacovei7174]

Iphone x was released 7 years ago. Imagine having the same design and every year saying they redesigned the phone

[@Zero]

I have no idea what direction this channel is going and feel lost because there are so many interesting video ideas I wish they covered but don't.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

7:18 this type of tiling window manager can be tweaked on Linux, might get more life out of x86_-type Apple devices. Mac-like themes are available on KDE very readily too

[@Clickworker101]

You can still optimise the settings and graphics, and then they will run relatively fast

[@thecwwshow8036]

Who writes their “X” like that

[@floriang2801]

I was so appalled when I saw that. It’s disgusting.

[@BlindMango]

And he was wondering why it said “unknown symbol” lmao, that X was crazy

[@DanEmmons]

Literally no one

[@Crusader1089]

It's more common in Europe.

[@ZipplyZane]

Mathematicians. That way it doesn't look like the cross product (×). You'll note that math books usually put the variables in italics. What he wrote was an italic x.

[@bossgeekknight]

I'm so glad Mac is getting window management, as a user of both of Mac and Windows daily, this is the one feature of Windows that drives me crazy I can't do on my mac.

[@zimbu_]

I think calling that x an unknown symbol even if you do recognize it is actually fair.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

Nah, it's basic international algebraic notation.

[@orlagh277]

if you wanna be u.s.-centric about it and alienate the rest of the world, yeah. that's how i was taught to write x in both high school and university in europe.

[@JJTech-life245]

3:09, Thank you for saying that

[@arondyte318]

Seriously this is the first time I’ve seen someone draw an “X” like that. That’s basically 2 Cs stuck together back to back 😂

[@paulwoodward8265]

Clearly you don’t do maths. If you write it like a multiply symbol in an equation what’s going to happen? Did you go to school??

[@Tel-zd5uu]

That was how I was taught at school to write x algebraically (so it’s distinguishable from the multiply symbol).

[@TheIrisCZ]

@@paulwoodward8265 It's a USA/Canada thing. Every time I've seen this version of "x" was on content from the North America. The rest of the world writes the "x" in cursive by writing a reversed "S" symbol tilted to the side and crossing it in the middle.

[@paulwoodward8265]

@@TheIrisCZ I’m British, not American, and we write it the 2 cs way here too.

[@tim3172]

@@paulwoodward8265 Math is singular. Literally zero people use x as multiply in an equation after what? 5th grade? You replace x as multiplication with a dot or parenthesis signifying multiplication. Did *YOU* go to school?

[@S-1_24-25]

It doesn’t make sense how the iPad 7 gets iPadOS18 but the iPad Pro 2 doesn’t when it has better hardware. Apple’s excuse to this is probably cause the iPad Pro 2 is from 2017 while the iPad 7 is from 2019. Although the iPad 7 is newer, the iPad Pro 2 literally has better hardware in terms of RAM and chip (3GB and A10 on the iPad 7 compared to 4GB and A10X on the iPad Pro 2)

[@TheCentristChad]

They complain when they get updates and when they don't. There is no pleasing everyone

[@nikostalk5730]

if you do something - do this properly, if not - well, never complain about people saying real things about your bad work, is that hard to understand?

[@ThatRandomDude914]

HE NOW HAS MY SETUP EXCEPT FROM MY 2015 MBP

[@BenLambert-u9d]

1:06 I will be downgrading from my iPhone 15 Pro back to my old iPhone 13 mini when Apple Intelligence comes out, and will not be getting a new iPhone until AI goes the way of Force Touch. iOS is supposed to be the bloat free smartphone option.

[@zach_w20]

all ai features are opt in, u dont have to deal with them

[@BenLambert-u9d]

@@zach_w20 I’m not gonna play wack-a-mole to try and catch every single integration of a service that kind of maybe does the thing that you want it to do half of the time

[@krevo6c]

Just don't upgrade your IOS Version?

[@bigdiggle5036]

You could trade in for the 14pm since that phone is too garbage to run the new Siri according to apple

[@BLAISEDAHL96]

2018 11 inch iPad Pro. I’m actually impressed how well it handles everything. Animation & scaling looks great, performance seems the same tbh, battery is original so all things considered it’s quite good!!

[@AndrewSu180]

Who writes "x" like that?

[@rherydrevins]

I do, exclusively when doing algebra.

[@threeuniquefingers]

Guilty Your honor!🙋‍♂️

[@Eleven5Five]

Everyone who writes 'x' in a maths equation.

[@breadone_]

it's an algebraic x? it's used everywhere (maybe except america since they like to be different). math notes is absolutely useless unless you're doing EXTREMELY simple math. i (and clearly the people in the demo) thought it would be useful for actually solving equations, but i guess that's too much effort for the ipados team.

[@tim3172]

@@Eleven5Five Why would you do math multiple times? Why not just do it once?

[@Tkatt-r8n]

I love the way Apple provides many years of software support

[@JamesR624]

5:28 LOL. WOW. I like how they don't give an explanation or even understand the basic utility and yet they "do math regularly"? Yeah, okay, sure they do.... I'm gonna guess these people never had trouble in school. Never have to lay out and stress over their finances, or never went to college. These sound like the most out of touch people I've heard in a long time.

[@-Burb]

I’m guessing it’s the opposite because I’m the same way. Went to college for engineering, do math normally with the aid of already existing tools and programs. The new calculator app is a cool novelty but not particularly useful unless doing very simple math like what they showed in the video. As soon as you hit basic calculus it becomes useless. The best it can seem to do is trig.