How Bad is Amazon’s Sundown CLONE? WLLDSE 15 Review

[@jorgem50]

The fact that they can offer a sub above 1000rms for a low price is great. I'm 52 and back in the early 90s when I got into car audio low price high rms sub was unheard of. You kids nowadays have it easy when it comes to car audio.

[@JasonWW2000]

Easy in some regards, harder in others. The key is that modern semiconductor technology goes up while its price goes down.

[@MacThaGoat]

Shit I’m pushing 2 12 premier’s 3000 watts max an pushing 1000watt rms. Got it on a 2400w hifonics Brutus. Shit is hitting crazy!

[@csj9619]

You got that right!

[@drutang]

they are spoiled rotten. no appreciation for where things are today.

[@TheZombieSlayer1155]

​@@drutangyes and no. Sensitivity is down from back in the day. A 500watt sub from the 90's whould sound as loud to the ear as a 1000w sub thats out now. All going for power handling and spl and firgetting about the quality and sensitivity

[@jmalljmall]

You have to appreciate this era of competition and audio. It’s good for the consumer.

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Agreed!

[@JasonWW2000]

Yes, there's a price range for everybody.

[@asherdie]

It's all the same Chinese clone garbage from the same Chinese clone build houses with different labels.

[@JasonWW2000]

@@asherdie No sir, thats an over generalization from someone who doesn't understand the market.

[@tobbybrayden2578]

They all Chinese lol

[@BigJeffAudio]

It's another awesome video from Parker The Bass Head..

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Thank you Big Jeff!

[@Bassotronics]

There’s like 25 different no name subs on Alibaba. I want to see them all tested! I don’t trust many of those subs because they can be nothing more than a heavy block of ferrite with a weak motor and a high power rating to compensate. Sundown Audio owns a proper magnetizer so you are getting full power with them.

[@JasonWW2000]

There's many different ways to make a bad subwoofer, but only a few ways to make it good. I would not suspect that the cheap subs use poor magnetizers, my guess would be they make the gap too wide to give extra tolerance for the quickly put together parts with little to no quality control. This reduces the chances of a coil rubbing, but really reduces the motors strength.

[@bjenks2]

It's all Chinese anyways, from American Bass to Sundown. Testing is the only way.

[@JasonWW2000]

@@bjenks2 It's all Earth built. So must be the same.

[@JamesShehan-f7k]

Jld audio makes these subs. Also makes DC audio and many others

[@AntoninusPius2]

Parker is like the Grim Reaper of subwoofers... If you're showing up in his party better bring the beef lol or it's off to a smokey afterlife... Keeping these sub companies on their toes.

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Haha yep sounds about right!

[@mattsnider5904]

12 thousands watts should push most subs to their limits!! Parker has a nice setup for testing subwoofers!

[@sgtJOOSEcapeS]

😂sholl is... if SUBWOOFERS had feet's they would run away hell they would roll away from GRIMM PARKER....😂 But dats why I watch you though 😂

[@rjgambino9859]

On them 🥜🥜

[@JohnCallahan-f7i]

I have one of these in my expedition and I'll be honest I was shocked. It absolutely hammers down and takes the abuse way better than I expected. I have smelled it a few times but the dust cap is never hot to the touch.

[@alansantiago941]

How much power you throwing at it?

[@justinhandy8219]

I'm buying one this week. Going from a 600rms, so double power should be fun !

[@criticalcerebral]

Well it did better than 98% percent of subs that lie about their stats, Rockville.

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Haha fair enough!

[@JasonWW2000]

I'm having trouble with the math. So you take all the subs that have incorrect specs, and of those, this sub was in the top 2%? Are you implying this product has incorrect specs? Why group it in that category?

[@scamchan]

@@ParkerTheBasshead You the man good info and you staying on top of your game!!

[@joshhaas8121]

Get the U's! Added challenge, measure with DATS see how close it is to the real deal! Likely differences Spider: bolted, size and stiffness Basket: smaller spider landing Top plate, pole and backplate: material type and dimensions Coil: you pointed out very different coil

[@Chuck_Sanders]

It's only the basket that's the same, Dayton used it as well. But these are solid subs. wlldse has been around fur years.

[@Chris-B-Bassin]

I'm curious about the direct comparison with the u15. Hard not to notice the surfboard and pallet of subwoofers at the end of the video 😁

[@mattadams7922]

It's not center vented because how they designed that originally to work. It pulls air up and through and out the top of the gap between the top plate and basket.

[@SifuBang]

I have the hst model in the mean time to save weight. And this sucker is doing great. Super stiff cone 3inch coild and out bangs the Hyanka for less!

[@bozanimal5576]

The Kicker Competition 12" sub (late 90's, one step up from Impulse and down from Solo) was always $100 and was a good bassline (ahem) for nearly two decades. That this is $150 is mind-blowing if you take inflation into account; amazing.

[@JeremySpoken-7]

Had 8 of them

[@bozanimal5576]

@@JeremySpoken-7 Wall?

[@z1berzerker]

Good to see an economical choice 👍 Been looking at these for 1.5 yrs or so... Thanks for doing the torture test 🙂 Parker

[@ruddywyndonjr9115]

Thanks!

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

THANK YOU!!

[@robsorgdrager8477]

Still to this day you can't convince me different. Dark audio had some of the best " budget " line of subs. When I got mine they were 100 bucks a piece, they took a solid 800-1000 watts all day and in a sealed box to spec they systematicly dismantled my crown Vic.

[@darknature79]

I went to buy some online when they were 100 and when I put 2 in my cart and went to check out they were raised..dki tried to tell me they never changed the prices and they were never $100 lol.

[@elcaminosupersport]

Packaged better than DC & can get two 15s for less than a real sundown 👌

[@carlospacheco8640]

Yea, but when you have that real Sundown like me. There's no going back to stuff like this. Though I might buy a 12" for my son's bedroom.

[@Simpleman1078]

​@@carlospacheco8640I have 4 sundown u (15). I blew one and bought one of these. My DB went from a 152.7 to a 152.4. so I can attest they are pretty much clones

[@Chuck_Sanders]

​@@Simpleman1078the basket is the only thing that is the same, even Dayton and others use this basket. It isn't a clone of the U at all though.

[@jimmyjam5588]

Little sneak peak a big amp and multiple subs looks like a fun build!!!!

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Yessir!! 🤫

[@alexleonard1852]

Parker always coming out with some banger videos

[@TheBestOrion]

I havent seen your vids in a while. Im glad to see you have more confidence! Even the way you speak has gotten better. Keep doing great things parker :)

[@crunkjuice29]

You guys have to realize all your subwoofers and amps come from mostly the same build houses in china. All these companies do is pick from a catalog and they are made, that's why so many of them look the same with slight differences. Big companies like Sundown,DC,Fi design their own baskets,surrounds,motors..ect and thats why they are superior to other brands and everybody tries to copy.

[@74midwestbass74]

Very nice bro. I introduced these subwoofers to youtube about four years ago when they first came out

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Yessir!

[@arthurhughlett2292]

I had the 10s back in 2019. A great product for the money.

[@HardKnocks160s]

I have 2 of these 15s they are Stout woofers and can handle tons of power with the right box and good power these sound great. Those Elite AB subs are not a good comparison to these, u would need to compare the Xfl to this woofer these wllsde HCY woofers take a while to break in , they are super stiff

[@RHunther]

XFLS are super under rated. They are what I call the king of sleeper subs.

[@HardKnocks160s]

​@@RHuntherI owned a few in my big builds they are good subs these are impressive for the price

[@MannuhFestIt]

11:30 fun fact: the real Parker The Basshead reviews are his facial expressions as the bigger the smile, the better review the subs get 😂

[@thebassgeneratorinc229]

This sub has great potential to those whom just want to bang on the streets. Great demo Parker keep up the great work.

[@MrDopey32]

That was surprising for sure. Great review Parker!!

[@95Sn95]

My 2 Wlldse HCY12s are still hanging in there! I did add 60g of weight to the cone and tossed a new 7" cap over it and made a huge difference in there ability to dig deep. They had an FS of 43htz out of the box, after breaking in from a couple months of flex the FS dropped to 38htz better but still a bit high. But with the added mass and new big cap the FS is now at 30htz! Woohoo. They went from being super tight and punchy sounding perfect for metal and kick drum but the low lows were pretty weak. (Partially the higher tuning and smaller than ideal enclosure the unfortunate part of limited trunk space) but as soon as I fired them up with the lower FS low 30s were way stronger., They are a bit less punchy obviously but it's a happy median of good lows and still punchy. Only problem now is a small trunk 2 subs 1 nice an warm a/b 4 channel and a 2k at .5 ohm I'm having heat issues . There's also a 24ah headway battery pack but it doesn't put off any heat. Thing that sucks is My car has Perma coil stink where I've got dem puppy's warm a bunch of times, and my monoblock shuts down for few seconds if flexed hard on hot days. I need ventilation! At least the car isn't black also

[@tonyfoley9988]

For $150 these are F'n AWESOME

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

I agree!

[@ikaikailimoku808]

So my question would be do you think you can re-cone with a Sundown recons?

[@BennyHill8844]

I changed out my amps a few times to check something, I started with a crossfire 1000 watt mono block amp to push a set of 12s JLs W3, that amp made those subs sound great!!! then I tried a MTX 1000 watt amp, same thing happened, they sounded great, so then I tried a cheap CT Sound 1000 watt amp and again it sounded awesome. it seems to me that it doesn't matter really what kind of amp you have, BC I did this same thing with subs. the JLs handled everything and still sounded great, but when I changed the subs from JLs to Orion XTRs DVCs they blew, MTXs blew, crossfires blew, the only thing that sounded good through out my experiment was the JLs. so from now on, im not spending boat loads of cash on amps. im happy with cheap amps, but you can not skip on the subs. I recommend JLs or anything that might be better. but amps, they all seem to sound the same to me. it might be different in competitions, but for the people just wanting some shove in their rides, cheap amps work for me, they might work for you too.

[@anthonyberry6769]

I would have to say for the money this is a great budget minded value! Would like to see a 1 year update to see how it holds up as far as life expectancy goes.

[@dustondoesit3913]

12:40 what track is this?

[@quanntooreal1920]

When you gonna try the new Solo X subwoofer?

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Idk I wanted to get a 15 but waiting on them to come out

[@quanntooreal1920]

@@ParkerTheBasshead gotcha okay. Can’t wait til that video to drop.

[@joshuahornburg557]

I have one of these in a 3.7 cube box at 32 hz with 2 jp8s strapped at 2 ohms to it and it takes a beating everyday and it doesnt give up.

[@ARSONISTSCAMP]

Just because it's not a name brand doesn't mean not give it it's just due. The sub actually kicked ass and survived 3minutes of torture. Sundown was once here. Slar was once here. Everyone started somewhere. And the ones that were good lived on to be household brand names. So hive it the excitement it deserves. Make us wanna.go buy it. Don't act like it's a risk. It's a budget banger and it passed all of your routine tests and with pretty decent numbers on the spl meter and in watt handling.

[@95Sn95]

Ever notice how you act like the black is superior to the clear but yet you have thrashed both and had black coils fail before and clear work flawlessly....so that's proof it's means nothing...

[@dagorodriguez5265]

Cant find the subwoofer on amazon 🤔😭 only the 12 inch is available.

[@JonesCoWoodworks]

Update. I had a deer run out in front of me in my xB and totaled it and now I’m going to be using the 4 15s in my Suburban and I’m going to be driving them with either a Taramps T12,000 Chipeo or a Big Boss 8 Bass. Which one of those amps would you recommend to be the strongest one. I know that sounds dumb but I already have the T12 and I’m not impressed with it at all compared with my Smart Bass 5 and that’s why I’m asking.

[@akku6242]

can you test a ground zero sub with that test, it would be interesting since here in finland gz is thaught as a good all around sub

[@fernandolaboy5279]

Hey hi im trying the get help i have 2 sdrs skar dual coil 2ohm and i habe a taramp bass 3k And i cant get it rigth how i can set tha gain, low pass and frequensy??

[@ROCKNROLLMODS]

Immediately, the center vent (or lack there of) is a big turn off. I'll keep watching to see how it does, but that's always been a must for me if I'm expecting low frequency reproduction. Thanks for the video!

[@PaulC-ck4yt]

i’m looking for an amp that will power 2 audiopipe bdc4 15s i currently have a hifonics 32001.d but it’s just not loud enough at all. on the amp dyno i’m pretty sure it only puts out 600rms per channel

[@Bill_Bacon]

That was the longest demo footage i have ever seen. I demand those minutes of my life back sir!!

[@michaelarnold6430]

Im looking at replacing my nvx vcw 10's after 4 years. I want something about the same price and rms. Only have 7 inch of mounting depth. Any suggestions?

[@BDauto86]

I've heard lots of good about these, was gonna buy one until I got a bdc3 for really good deal. Impressive to see it last thru the abuse, I feel like the DB test was alil disappointing tho. Surely youd think it would break 140 considering most decent single 12s will. I love the little hint at the end of the video, I can't wait for the sundown show build lol.

[@_Wake_Up_If_U_Can]

Relative loudness at the windshield is a function of the vehicles resonant frequency, the location of the box, its vent or sealed baffle direction etc. I would be curious to see him swap the woofer out to lots of other brands in the same box facing the same way and play the same tracks. Seeing him compare those results to what a program like Winisd or similar software shows would also be interesting. I used to do DB Drag in a 1978 Toyota pickup with a 20R engine. Below the back window I cut out the metal to install a vented box in the bed of the truck. The box front was where the wall below the window used to be. That box started with (2) JL Audio 10" W3D2s that hit 146+db at 45hz at one of the DB Drag shows in the (2) woofer category. It was powered by (2) Crossfire cheater amps that were rated at like 35watts X 2 but at a low enough impedance they would put out 732 watts rms when bridged. That box I tuned for maximum sound quality. Later I built a bigger box that was over 10 cubic foot for (2) Crossfire super cheap DB model 15"s and hit 154.7db at 57hz. That box I tuned specifially to hit 10hz above the vehicles resonant frequency due to the known phenomenon of the resonant frequency shifting up when you pressurize the vehicle due to high spl. I did break my original wind shield but the new one held up well with the wipers bouncing inches off the glass. This was way back in like 2001.

[@bobbywarner7850]

I mean he did the db test in a prefab box...

[@808PatAnderson]

Parker! Love your videos. I’m on team deaf bonce with a full deaf bonce build and will be at the sundown audio show doing demos as well. I have 6 302 in a 4th order c pillar. It’d be cool to demo beside you and show off deaf bonce!!!

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Heck yeah man! Definitely come park next to me if you can!

[@808PatAnderson]

@@ParkerTheBasshead I’ll try haha that’s be awesome

[@neilholland4427]

What watt amp is the apocalypse box behind you on you table?? Or what was that. I seen it at the end of the video.

[@Joeykennady]

D4S doesn’t have them for sale. They discontinued it. I tried to order from them and they took my money and asked me to upgrade to a 600 sub so I would’ve had to spend an extra 600

[@JasonWW2000]

If they don't have what you want, get your money back.

[@SBK_ALL_DAY]

You should do the NVX VCW v3 and get the dual 2 and wire on an 8k, last time you barely gave it any power.

[@weedeater49cc]

was having idea about independent sub control so if you have 10 15s you can have them hitting different times or playing different stuff and then get the frequencies just right and levitate your car ..?

[@brandonsholly6917]

I absolutely love this channel! Your honesty is a treasure! Thank you, brother

[@AlexMondragon-m5k]

Is it okay to hook up my amp rms 1,200 watts to my car battery?will it drain it quicker or cause problems?

[@xls_drax_packs9567]

what sub would you recommend it has to be a 12” and 800rms don’t really have a lot of money so would like to get just subs without having to get anything else i was going to get the skar svr-12s but i had a friend tell me the voice coils are bad on that series

[@LerRhann]

This looks like a sub that Sundown made but it didn't pass QC due to a visual defect that wouldn't affect performance. Sundown would have then sold it to a secondary company who resells it under a different name.

[@christopherparis6841]

They're all made same build house in China same as skar. Every year wlldse drops some serious fkn baddies frfr.

[@Chuck_Sanders]

​@@christopherparis6841Skar doesn't use this build house. Skar is China Future Sound, and airways has been.. same with Audio Legion, which was the sister company

[@donaldwilcoxjr.5212]

Hey Parker...running around 3k with potential of 5k ....using one dual 12in american bass xr12 ....would like to use 2 12s or a single that can handle little more power ....which def bonce subs do you suggest ...my vehicle is a 1998 s10 ...3 layers sound matt ...frame grounds 0 guage ...jp23v1.5 amp ...for subs ....upgraded alternator....etc.. just want to match either 2 12s ...or 1 12 to the potential of my amp ....with the American Bass xr ...if I go half gain or more on my jp23v1.5....it sends it strait to clipping ...

[@markroberts715]

Thanks to you and one other who did a review on an Amazon sub,I bought 4 harmony audio carbon 10s on 2 jp33s wired to .67 each,pretty nasty and they gobble up the power,thanks for what ya do man

[@jeremystover256]

We want to see you do 6-12s asap!

[@AudioAddict.]

You should make a video on the u15 it would be awesome but it’s a disappointment that they are discontinuing the u15v1 only gonna be making the u15v2 now.

[@derekmatthew8908]

Wow that sub did pretty good. Thats awesome for a budget build. Have you seen those golden eagle subs? Seen a few builds with em and they pound as well. $175 for a 15 inch 1500rms sub. Itd be cool to see you do a vid on those 😁

[@Chuck_Sanders]

They're very solid subs. They get down

[@johnoates3326]

I almost got those on eBay before I ordered my EVL18s they where pretty much same price for 2 18s it was like 20 dollar difference

[@RajunCajun1]

What happens if you only do a big 2 upgrade? 2/0 from battery to alt and 2/0 from battery to alternator?

[@toastyroach1199]

Thank you so much Parker for doing these videos!

[@JonesCoWoodworks]

I have four of these in my 06 Scion xB and they have been beating the bondo out of the roof. Don’t ask me why there’s bondo in the roof because I don’t know. That being said I’m very happy with the WLLDSE HCY-15 for now but I do plan to get some better ones soon.

[@MrJunkman1982]

Parker what's up with all the AVATAR-STU? A little sneak peak of what's to come soon?

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Yessir 👀

[@gulag_inmate69]

Dang that thing was taking some power

[@LSnium]

I remember when big magnet subs like that were a fortune, unattainable, now they are easily attainable for any person with the love for audio.

[@MikeAnnunziato]

It's already unavailable 😕 good video Parker 👍

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Yeah there were only a couple in stock when I bought it

[@csj9619]

I saw this sub on Amazon about a month ago and seriously considered buying one. Scored a U18 instead.

[@anthonylopez-qh4tq]

Bro your in turlock?? Im in Modesto i have a TBSS i need some beat installed into, you do installs?? How can i find you??

[@juanroque4452]

Another great video Parker very economical sub for the price point thanks again Parker

[@aarongreene9963]

So now we all know how much cheaper Sundown and pretty much all higher end companies can sell their equipment. Especially being as tho none of them really offer a real warranty.

[@SilentShadow-ss5xp]

Can you do a video on the best 10s? I'm looking to put 2 10s in my car but it's hard to find the right sub. Might go with DC audio level 4 but idk yet.

[@traewilkins8890]

What’s the best sub in your opinion with a rms around 750-1000 with a good amount of xmax? Had a kicker cvx but think it finally quite on me.

[@bdc211]

for bumpin', sundown sa v2 is solid sub.. easy to rebuild. sundown sa classic if youd rather save a few bucks.. if you like other music besides bumpin, and want better transient response, then kicker comp q... alpine type r2..

[@traewilkins8890]

@@bdc211 thinking between a ds18 zxi high excursion, dd audio 600 or 700 series, skar ddx or a Rockford p3. B in a smaller 4th order box in back of my rzr. Amp is a ds18 nxl x1000.1 amp

[@bdc211]

@@traewilkins8890 dd all day

[@nonsuch]

I wish subwoofers for cars didn't force people to play Hip Hop or electronic music in general turned up to 1000 to showcase them. I understand it though. They're pretty underwhelming otherwise. I'm content with just a punchy elevated kick drum. 😂

[@jonmartin17]

Try some rebassed music in any genre you like

[@thebassgeneratorinc229]

I wished that we could get over the made in China thingy due to most manufacturers are using those components due to a better profit margin and let's not get it twisted...its all about the revenue.....either you you will like it or you will not and the ultimate goal is does it work well within one's budget. Thanks for introducing this sub...it is a nice offing for those whom are limited or just starting off in car audio.

[@rodolfosotelo5929]

Great video Parker! I would love to see you try out a colossal sounds ultra series those subs are some beasts!

[@user-pt1hz2wz7h]

Love these videos man 💯💯

[@downhilldaddy5282]

Looks to me like these can be re-coned?

[@bobbymaner4113]

Parker I've followed you for a while and buy subwoofers based off your opinions and video's. I just bought 2 of these but 12s and was wondering did you let this woofer break-in if so how long? Or did you straight send it to the moon?

[@Natalie-h1d5j]

That frame was patented by Hollywood sound labs in 2003. It is called the dragon claw frame.

[@SeanOMatic]

The reason the Sundown U Series stuff is on sale and out of stock is because Sundown has the new U series revisions ready to roll out and the old U is being closed out. My local dealer has been selling me U Series 12's for $300 out the door for a couple of years, though.

[@jayrands5380]

The sa now use the U frames...

[@SeanOMatic]

@@jayrands5380 Yeah, no shit. It's in the product description.

[@MichaelJohnson-je2vo]

Are you saying death Bounce is better than DC Audio and what is your take on DC audio subs

[@michaelreynolds867]

Would be nice for a comparison even if it's a quick mention in the middle of a future SD vid..

[@mattadams7922]

I also hope your read your contract with Def Bonce, some of those demo vehicle contracts can kinda put you in a bad spot. Like back in the day I had a buddy do one with M.A. Audio and they pretty much could come and pick his car up if they wanted it for something as long as they gave him 5 days notice.

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

No contract at all. And paid for all the equipment

[@mattadams7922]

@@ParkerTheBasshead that's good, glad to hear. I've been watching you grow for a long time now.

[@alexandrstudio6963]

Как иногда после работы приятно вас иностранцев посмотреть!🤟🤗 Я поэтому и подписался мне нравятся твои обзоры и тесты авто систем!👌 У меня у самого 4 колонки суммарно киловатт из 2 здоровенных колонок😊

[@MonsterPartsRc]

Thanks for the test… it’s funny that he refuses to give the sub its props… it did well, but he kept downplaying it… lol

[@kennywasfound5004]

You should try 12 inch directed sx12d4 I love it it’s been pounding for years

[@migofrmdaa3182]

I think I’m just going to do a budget build with 2 of these joints tbh atleast it would be cheaper and better than Skar🤣

[@Petethebuilder]

Hey Parker do you still have any busbars batteries I'm interested in one

[@sppb32]

No SPL test? it actually looks more like the SA motor with 3" voice coil, it would be interesting to see a comparison between the two.

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

I did do the SPL test

[@martinfehringer7115]

I would like to know what your low excursion song is so I can run it through my subs could you tell me please and thank you Love your videos I’m kinda new to the channel but you do great work and I get a lot of information from so thank you

[@Butterworth_racing]

Looks like a sa sundown basket but I have a u series and it’s the same basket but the surround is different

[@meguinness1116]

can you suggest a good 3" woofer please? Thank you

[@bygboie]

Since you obviously don't like that DC sub. How much are you willing to let it go for?

[@matthewboylen5832]

Hey I got a question for you?? I run a 7 band eq over a bass knob which would you prefer I’m running two amps each 2000 watts one for subs and one for my door speakers

[@dequan916]

About to cop four of these lol

[@davidmorris1699]

I had the wlldse subs years ago it was the candy purple motor

[@1greyhair504]

Parker can you do a side by side comparison of the xfl and the hawk

[@kennethsimbapuppyeyes6857]

Also got the 12" version in a skar prefab vented single sub box actually like these for the price I say they are pretty good.

[@BUMPINXTERRA]

you should deffinetly compare the sundown u15 to this sub im curious to also see your opinion on the sundown u 15

[@Mavs24]

I heard this sub in person today it was crazy! He has custom box on it tuned to 35hz and he hit 144db!! With taramps 3k