How BAD Should Japan Feel For It's War Crimes?

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[@Ben-lh7jg]

From an American perspective, I'd say we are much more aware of the German war crimes than Japan war crimes. Several reasons for this, I think partly because of who the victims were, Jews vs Chinese. We are more sympathetic to the Jews and still today have this USA Israel bond, plus most of our WW2 movies, media, and school education focuses more on the Holocaust than on Japan's crimes.

[@Revenger3rdUnit]

They call the Japanese invasion of Asia the forgotten genocide. Jews get all the victim spotlight and even got reparations. Meanwhile there is no discussion about Japanese war crimes and genocide of Chinese, Korean and Filipinos. Zero reparations and zero acknowledgement.

[@jackvue722]

Its largely due to the fact that Japan wasn't communist. The Cold War immediately followed WW2 and with communist groups rising throughout Asia, the US needed a non-communist ally. That's why Americans don't really know about Japanese war crimes, because the US government brushed them over to establish a partnership.

[@Mr2Reviews]

True, which is why I appreciated Angelina Jolie's movie, Unbroken (2014), which was based on a true story. Great movie, highly recommend.

[@Ben-lh7jg]

@@Mr2Reviews Nice, haven't seen that movie but sounded good. Literally all the movies and books we studied in school on WW2 were about the holocaust and Europe. Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan, Life is Beautiful and books like Maus, Night, Anne Franks Diary etc.On Japan is was just like, they invaded China and raped Nanking and then we dropped atom bombs and Japan surrendered the end. It was pretty much all about Europe.

[@Ben-lh7jg]

@@jackvue722 good point. The US often has this mindset "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" which hasn't always worked out so well for us like when we supported resistance fighters in Afghanistan vs the Soviets

[@iansarver8444]

This generation doesn't need to feel any guilt but there's a clear need for discussion and acknowledgement of Imperial atrocities during ww2. Don't avoid it but own it.

[@bishop51807]

It's like how America was after the Vietnam War recognize it was the wrong thing.

[@ChrisDaTroll]

yes and then move on stop clinging on to the past

[@funkthat]

Agree this generation of Japanese have no connection to it all and neither do we the rest of the world. Time to move on

[@allio3459]

@@ChrisDaTroll not until Japanese people LEARN and their government are publicly sorry. Like even the Germans deeply and publicly apologized. Japanese need to learn how to say fucking sorry.

[@21goikenban17]

Outside of the speech-controlled states of East Asia, the world treats it as fungible propaganda. In fact, the only case in which an Asian has actually claimed damages in a Japanese court is a lawsuit by a Chinese national for unpaid wages. Korean prostitutes who claimed in Japanese and American courts that they were kidnapped more than 40 years after the war were dismissed by the courts as having no credibility at all.

[@az00001]

During WW2, it is still so recent. Although it's been many generations ago, those grudges still hold deep in a lot of our grandparents' nightmares all across the Qing Empire into Indo China. If there wasn't the European trying to colonize other sleeping countries, then Nipon wouldn't have started it. Everyone wants power and recognition. Asian wars normally end up bloody due to pride, and no communication can unite just so you must try to take over just like what Ghengis Khan did and every dynasty for 5000 years. Japan was just as ruthless during Nanjing. Some other rural areas happened too, but just no media talks about it and gotten erased. Now, Japan don't want that in their history, so they don't teach in their schools. Everything happens for a reason and is thankful for the invasion. Without it, Zhongguo would never have opened their eyes to see the full picture and whole outside world among them. They want to tear up China. Japan emprorer did once said, to take over the flock, take over when still asleep as China was. If there were really 56 ethnic groups, then there would've been 56 little coutries in Zhonnguo and if the corrupted, weak and most hated ruthless Qing didn't fall and especially if the other party took it, it would've been fallen long ago. Sorry to say. History does repeat itself, but let's not let anyone else break it again. All Zhonggren have always been from 1 family. Our forefathers, HuangDi, YanDi, and Chiyou, always wanted us to be together and finally at last. Now, in America, it makes us united more than ever before thanks to their envies, their hatred, their greed, their propagadas, their fake news. All Asian Americans need to wake up, stand together, be strong, speak up, fight back if have to and protect our elderly. Learn from our past. Learn our history. Peace and much love!

[@pneuma33]

as a us born japanese dude whose family has been here since 1900-1910 I have no direct experience with any of the imperial japanese history and no one in my family does either. I would hope that they make a public apology even if it doesn't cure anything. it is the thought that counts. I do think that most japanese probably don't talk about it because words will never change the past

[@BTY11]

Words won't change the past but indifference will affect Japan and Japanese's future. Imagine the war crimes that Japan committed as a Pendulum swinging away from Japan. If you do nothing, the Pendulum will come back and its not stopping. Japan and its citizens will get the full force of everything they've done, the Pendulum will swing back.

[@akira1205]

I wouldn’t mind an apology, but people are still inevitably going to say too little too late after it happened

[@MrLemania]

Korea's claim: Korea taught Japan its culture. “Freedom Betrayed” by Herbert Hoover, pp.737-738 During Annexation (1910-1945) "I first visited Korea in 1909 [1909-ed], to advise some Japanese industrialists on engineering matters. The Korean people at that time were in the most disheartening condition that I had witnessed in any part of Asia. There was little law and order. The masses were underfed, under-clothed, under-housed and under-equipped. There was no sanitation, and filth and squalor enveloped the whole countryside. The roads were hardly passable, and there were scant communication or educational facilities. Scarcely a tree broke the dismal landscape. Thieves and bandits seemed to be unrestrained. During the thirty-five years of Japanese control, the life of the Korean people was revolutionized. Beginning with the most unpromising human material, the Japanese established order, built harbors, railways, roads and communications, good public buildings, and greatly improved housing. They established sanitation and taught better methods of agriculture. They built immense fertilizer factories in North Korea which lifted the people’s food supplies to reasonable levels. They reforested the bleak hills. They established a general system of education and the development of skills. Even the dusty, drab and filthy clothing had been replaced with clean bright colors. The Koreans, compared to the Japanese, were poor at administration and business. Whether for this reason or by deliberate action, the Japanese filled all major economic and governmental positions. Thus, in1948 when they finally achieved self-government, the Koreans were little prepared for it."

[@21goikenban17]

The Japanese government has never apologized for the nation's criminal acts This is because Japan has not implemented a criminal policy. What the Japanese government has apologized for is its failure to protect the Asian people from the recolonizing actions of the Allies and its apology to the Asians who were victims of the Allied recolonizing actions. Somehow, people in the former Allied world do not question the ridiculous behavior of unquestioningly believing the propaganda of the Chinese powers before WW2 In Japan, it is not customary to educate people in schools about gossip

[@AJ-iu6nw]

I heard stories that basically went like this. When the villagers heard that the Japanese Imperial Army was approaching, they would have the man of the household swap places with their neighbors. This was done so that when the soldiers came, they would not be forced to "perform incest" on their own daughters. Disgusting. You can still see that spirit in their JAV porn nowadays. It's all fucked up themes

[@keun-Nik]

People also have to know that USA and Uk are the ones that helped and modernize Japan first to colonize Korea and keep checking on Russia in the far East.

[@blaizegottman4139]

Yep

[@MrLemania]

Korea's claim: Korea taught Japan its culture. “Freedom Betrayed” by Herbert Hoover, pp.737-738 During Annexation (1910-1945) "I first visited Korea in 1909 [1909-ed], to advise some Japanese industrialists on engineering matters. The Korean people at that time were in the most disheartening condition that I had witnessed in any part of Asia. There was little law and order. The masses were underfed, under-clothed, under-housed and under-equipped. There was no sanitation, and filth and squalor enveloped the whole countryside. The roads were hardly passable, and there were scant communication or educational facilities. Scarcely a tree broke the dismal landscape. Thieves and bandits seemed to be unrestrained. During the thirty-five years of Japanese control, the life of the Korean people was revolutionized. Beginning with the most unpromising human material, the Japanese established order, built harbors, railways, roads and communications, good public buildings, and greatly improved housing. They established sanitation and taught better methods of agriculture. They built immense fertilizer factories in North Korea which lifted the people’s food supplies to reasonable levels. They reforested the bleak hills. They established a general system of education and the development of skills. Even the dusty, drab and filthy clothing had been replaced with clean bright colors. The Koreans, compared to the Japanese, were poor at administration and business. Whether for this reason or by deliberate action, the Japanese filled all major economic and governmental positions. Thus, in1948 when they finally achieved self-government, the Koreans were little prepared for it."

[@adnanzahir]

Nailed it bro

[@bonniebernido8510]

I'm 45, first gen japanese filipino american. I think its wrong to ignore the past and not teach it. We experience it in spades here in the states too, with native history and slavory in general. Japan is wrong to ignore the messages (however horribly) of the past. They are doing a massive disservice to their younger generations. Someone mentioned germany and their methods. I feel like we would be better off if japan took their lead

[@MrLemania]

Korean narrative of history For today’s Koreans, the history of Korea MUST be 5000 years of glory and Koreans believe Koreans are superior race. Therefore, Koreans try to distort the history and force their own interpretation of history to other countries. They say “Korea was forced to become Japan” and “Japan enslaved Koreans”. “It’s all Japan’s fault. I was right, I was great. We fought against it…” But, Koreans never admit it was Japan helped the independence. Koreans never admit many Koreans wanted the annexation. Koreans never admit they were saved by Japan. Koreans never admit Japan was praised by foreign countries at the time. Similarly, Koreans never admit Korea was a vassal state of China. Koreans never admit Korean Kings served Chinese emperors. Koreans never admit Korea was “parody” of China. So, South Korean anti-Japan sentiments will not disappear until we(the whole world) erase these history and create new “glorious 5000 years of Korean history™” or until Korea goes back to being a part of China like North Korea regime is today which is a traditionally “right” position and make Japan “inferior”. South Korean government itself was established being “We: the non-Japanese”. That’s their historical legitimacy over Korean peninsula. And it is the root of “Japanese scare” in South Korea. I guess it is kind of hard thing to grasp for the western people. So, if Koreans tell you something about Korea or Japan, watch out.

[@21goikenban17]

It's not that they don't teach the past; it's that they don't teach the gossip created by the speech-controlled state in schools.

[@MrLemania]

"Not Under Military Occupation" Koreans were well-integrated into Japanese society and work force during the annexation period. In addition to holding public offices and serving in the police force, hundreds of thousands of Korean men served in the Japanese military. Many served as officers and a few as generals. Lt. Gen. Hong Sa Ik, head of PW Command of Japan’s Southern Army, is an example of a Korean in command of Japanese troops. Prince Yi Wu, grandson of the Korean Emperor Gojong, served as a colonel in the Japanese Army. When he was killed by the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, his aide - a Japanese officer - felt he had failed to properly protect Prince Yi and committed suicide. Is this the action of a man who saw Korea as a “brutalized slave colony”? "Passive Cowards, Opportunists?" Charges that earlier generations did nothing as hundreds of thousands of women were abducted are an indictment of the entire wartime generation of Koreans. A whole generation must have been exceptionally - and uncharacteristically - passive to allow such an injury to their wives, daughters, and granddaughters. (RELATED ARTICLE: Korea: Daddy Don’t Leave Me!) The allegations also fly in the face of the deep respect Koreans are known to have for their elders. Even former comfort women attesting to abductions make no mention of their parents (or anyone else) resisting or trying to prevent their alleged kidnappings. One former comfort woman said she was reported as simply missing. It is plausible to argue that one person simply vanished, but simply incredible to argue that 200,000 young women just disappeared. The accusations of mass abductions in effect portray one’s grandparents’ generation as cowards and opportunists who sold out their daughters and granddaughters to the Japanese. This is shameful, and it is a gut-wrenching insult to elderly Koreans. "Documents Tell A Different Story" Allegations are one thing, but facts are another. World War II military documents provide overwhelming evidence on the true nature of the comfort women system. (See Wartime Military Records on Comfort Women by this author.). In addition to the oft-quoted “Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report No. 49,” there are additional documents, including the following: May 21, 1945, document “163LD-1 0223, a Combined Enemy Alien Preliminary Interrogation Report” “Allied Translator and Interpreter Section (ATIS) Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers Research Report, Amenities in the Japanese Armed Forces, Nov. 15, 1945, No. 120” There are additional documents from Dutch, Australian, and Japanese sources, and even the diary of a Korean operator of a comfort station. "What Contemporaneous Reports Say" The many contemporaneous records of the allied forces at the end of the war clearly identify comfort women as contract prostitutes, not dragooned sex slaves. Wartime reports of Japan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs on Japanese and Korean businesses in Chinese cities list comfort stations not as something special but as just another business. Comfort stations with Korean women were operated by Koreans and those operated by Japanese operators had only Japanese women. None were operated by the military. *Following the same pattern, in the Philippines, Japanese military records clearly stipulated that local brothels for use by Japanese soldiers would employ only licensed prostitutes* "War crimes involving the recruitment of prostitutes" While prostitution was legal at the time, recruiting involuntary women as prostitutes was a war crime - including under Japanese law. There is only one case of involuntary recruitment found in the U.S. war crime records [HQ, Island Command, Guam, Serial No. 846, May 12, 1945]. It involved a Japanese civilian on Guam pressuring two women into prostitution. The U.S. war crime records are consistent with the finding of authorities in other locales as well. In Indonesia, fewer than half a dozen cases were tried by Dutch authorities. The Bart von Poelgeest Report issued by the Dutch authorities clearly points out that forced prostitution was prohibited by Japanese military regulations Other than the incidents mentioned, there are no records of forced prostitution. RELATED ARTICLES: Part 1: Why Korean Professor Believes Comfort Women Were Not Sex Slaves Part 2: Korea Had Long History of Trafficking in Women-Even Before the Japanese Came Part 3: Estimates Based on Facts: ‘200,000 Comfort Women’ Defies Math "What Really Happened" The interrogation of three Korean civilians employed by the Japanese Navy describes what would have happened if the Japanese had abducted or conscripted Korean women as sex slaves. “MIS, Composite Report, List 78, 28 Mar 45” (page 3, item 18) states: All Korean prostitutes that PoW have seen in the Pacific were volunteers or had been sold by their parents into prostitution. This is proper in the way of Korean thinking but direct conscription by the Japanese would be an outrage that old and young would not tolerate. They would rise up in anger killing Japanese no matter what consequences they might suffer. This more accurately describes how Koreans would react, especially the family members of the women being abducted. Even involuntary conscription by means other than direct abduction would have resulted in riots. "Question of Practicality" The Japanese military was deployed on many different fronts and in many different campaigns. It had neither the leisure nor the capacity to round up and guard 200,000 women who were allegedly sex slaves from among hostile populations speaking foreign languages. In some cases, critics have carelessly lumped the official recruitment of women for the factory labor force together with the private comfort women industry. The Women’s Volunteer Labor Force, known as the Teishintai or Chongsindae in Korean, was used to mobilize unmarried young women for factory work in late 1944. It had nothing to do with the comfort women system. By this stage of WWII, Japan was undergoing aerial bombardment and fighting for survival. To be blunt, sex was the last thing on anyone’s mind as cities burned and millions of people began to go hungry. Over the course of more than seven decades of postwar history, many have lost sight of these wartime realities and complexities. Humans in general tend to side with victims of injustice, and today World War II in the Pacific is often presented as a one-sided conflict in which everything that Japan did, from the battlefield to the bureaucracy, is somehow fraught with evil intentions. But as is evident from the many original military documents, the sex slave narrative can be seen for what it is - a hate campaign to demonize Japan today, which has nothing to do with Japan’s WWII past. Comfort women statues are part of that strategy to demonize and delegitimize Japan in the eyes of the international community. But, let us remember that these statues also tacitly indict Koreans as cowards who did nothing as a generation of young women was stolen from their midst. Today’s anti-Japan monument is also tomorrow’s insult to those populations under Japan’s wartime administration. By Archie Miyamoto, Lt. Colonel, U.S Army, Retired

[@MrLemania]

Korea's claim: Korea taught Japan its culture. “Freedom Betrayed” by Herbert Hoover, pp.737-738 During Annexation (1910-1945) "I first visited Korea in 1909 [1909-ed], to advise some Japanese industrialists on engineering matters. The Korean people at that time were in the most disheartening condition that I had witnessed in any part of Asia. There was little law and order. The masses were underfed, under-clothed, under-housed and under-equipped. There was no sanitation, and filth and squalor enveloped the whole countryside. The roads were hardly passable, and there were scant communication or educational facilities. Scarcely a tree broke the dismal landscape. Thieves and bandits seemed to be unrestrained. During the thirty-five years of Japanese control, the life of the Korean people was revolutionized. Beginning with the most unpromising human material, the Japanese established order, built harbors, railways, roads and communications, good public buildings, and greatly improved housing. They established sanitation and taught better methods of agriculture. They built immense fertilizer factories in North Korea which lifted the people’s food supplies to reasonable levels. They reforested the bleak hills. They established a general system of education and the development of skills. Even the dusty, drab and filthy clothing had been replaced with clean bright colors. The Koreans, compared to the Japanese, were poor at administration and business. Whether for this reason or by deliberate action, the Japanese filled all major economic and governmental positions. Thus, in1948 when they finally achieved self-government, the Koreans were little prepared for it."

[@landmindssoul4636]

I think America constantly talks about but doesn't recognize it like Germany.

[@lorenzorivera3017]

My Micronesian grandfather spoke fluent Japanese because of Japanese occupation and my great uncle was killed during their occupation. I don’t believe in shaming people that did not have any say in what their country did back then, but I do believe it is important to know your country’s history. (at least a surface level understanding). This is still within living memory too. It’s not like it happened hundreds of years ago. History has a habit of repeating itself if we are not careful to learn.

[@robertparsons313]

Too much of this was covered up too fast. There's still an unresolved part of it all. And Japan's RECENT comments about their "comfort women" scandal and atrocities against Korean women doesn't help. Germany has done a lot to accept responsibility for their crimes. I wish Japan could do the same. At least admit it happened and show some remorse.

[@ksdeletingcoverup9639]

@@robertparsons313 S.Koreans are outraged. Victims of Sexual Violence Installed in Central London” - Between 1964 and 1973, some 320,000 South Korean soldiers were deployed to Vietnam to fight alongside the United States. Tens of thousands of women were allegedly raped by South Korean soldiers during the Vietnam War. Many of the women were as young as 12 or 13 at the time. JLDH represents these women, of whom 800 are still alive today, and their children known as the "Lai Dai Han," the thousands of dual heritage Korean-Vietnamese individuals born as a result of wartime rape. Jack Straw, international ambassador for Justice for Lai Dai Han and former UK foreign secretary, said: "I urge everyone to visit the sculpture in St. James's Square, which honours all who are survivors of sexual violence in conflict. We need an independent investigation by the UNHCR into the rape of Vietnamese women by South Korean soldiers. We hope that the sculpture will serve as a poignant reminder of the horror of sexual violence and encourage the Government of South Korea to acknowledge the crimes committed by its troops and support an independent UN investigation." ------ We cover up the facts and shift the responsibility for the crimes to Japan, but it is all Japan's fault! Because we were Japanese at WW2! ------ August 31, 1939 Donga Ilbo Over 100 women from farming villages were deceived by Korean traffickers (Kim Ok-man 김옥만 & his family) They were arrested and the women were rescued by Japanese policemen. ***** They attacked us with fact bombs. Don't do it! So, here's the thing. If you read their history boards, they ignore the "fact bomb" and loudly condemn it as a crime by the Japanese Imperial Army.

[@mautre]

Yes, and the refusal to formally acknowledge everything and propely apologize, is a big part of what makes it so very frustrating, and just continues others feelings of animosity towards them! This generation of Japanese absolutely DOES need to feel guilt about it, and desperatly needs to know the truth ALL about it, not only for historical accuracy, but so that history will not repeat itself!!! Everyone wants to give the new generation (not to mention the whole country) a pass on it, yet their own history textbooks still lie to this day, and still do not even admit to the atrocities that were committed by their parents and grandparents. I don't see anybody telling the Holocaust affected Jews or Black-Americans, that they don't still have the right to be upset about everything that happened to their people, BUT the only difference is those 2 groups at least got some form of apology, acknowledgment, & rightful indignation from the majority of the rest of the world. Yet everybody outside of pretty much Asia, completely glosses over what the Japanese did (which many historians have said was actually way worse and on so much of a larger scale than even what the Nzzis did!), just because they giggle and try to act cute and meek to foreigners, and have good anime. Yeah, sure, that erases some of the worst war crimes and the most vile & disgusting atrocities that the history of the modern world (both Eastern & Western!) has ever seen. 🙄😮‍💨

[@bradwolf1]

In chinese it is refered to as: 認錯

[@AJ-iu6nw]

This rougly tranlsates to: lay flat and succomb to rape

[@bigheadrhino]

I think the rivalries only stand out because of the perception of asians being peaceful people and the desire to lump them together for mental convenience. Plenty of neighboring countries around the world have bad history and discrimination. It’s not unusual at all.

[@Mr2Reviews]

Highly recommend the books, The Yamato Dynasty (2000) and Gold Warriors (2003) which will provide a lot of background/context to all the underlying motivations of Japan's imperialism. Also Absolute Erotic, Absolute Grotesque (2010).

[@FroZiroo]

As a Filipino born and raised in the Philippines It doesnt really matter to me whether Japan apologize on behalf of the Imperial Japan on what they did during WW2. Hence the word Imperial Japan just like with Germans use and blame it on "Hitler and the Nazis". Anways, in fact Spain who colonized our country for more than 300+ years and USA who colonized our country for 33 years should also apologize if thats the case. Spain and USA did bad things to my people too just as what Japan did to us. By making us the lowest class of people in our own country and raping our women.

[@Revenger3rdUnit]

It is unfortunate but Filipinos should fight back against their oppressors the Americans or Spanish for what they did but they probably never will.

[@MrLemania]

"The Comfort Women" by Professor C. Sarah Soh In this book Professor Soh accuses the pro-North activist group "Korean Council" (also known as Chong Dae Hyup 정대협 挺対協) for spreading the North Korean propaganda to block reconciliation between Japan and South Korea. Contrary to common belief, most Korean women were sold by their parents to Korean businessmen who owned and operated comfort stations. The Korean women were not the sex slaves of the Japanese military. Professor Soh insists that Korean society must repudiate victimization, admit its complicity and accept that the system was not criminal. The following is an excerpt from her book "The Comfort Women." (Pages 10 - 11) ◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　 Kim Sun-ok In an interview with Professor Chunghee Sarah Soh of San Francisco State University, a former Korean comfort woman Kim Sun-ok said that she was sold by her parents four times. Yet she testified before UN Special Rapporteur Radhika Coomaraswamy that she was abducted by the Japanese military. ◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　 Mun Ok-chu A former Korean comfort woman Mun Oku-chu said in her memoir: "I was recruited by a Korean comfort station owner. I saved a considerable amount of money from tips, so I opened a saving account. I could not believe that I could have so much money in my saving account. One of my friends collected many jewels, so I went and bought a diamond. I often went to see Japanese movies and Kabuki plays in which players came from the mainland Japan. I became a popular woman in Rangoon. There were a lot more officers in Rangoon than near the frontlines, so I was invited to many parties. I sang songs at parties and received lots of tips. I put on a pair of high heels, a green coat and carried an alligator leather handbag. I swaggered about in a fashionable dress. No one in town could guess that I was a comfort woman. I felt very happy and proud. I received permission to return home, but I didn't want to go back to Korea. I wanted to stay in Rangoon." According to Professor Ahn Byong Jik of Seoul University, Mun Oku-chu continued to work as a prostitute in Korea after the war. Yet she testified before UN Special Rapporteur Radhika Coomaraswamy that she was abducted by the Japanese military. ◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　 Kim Hak-sun In an interview with Korean newspaper The Hankyoreh (the artcile was published on May 15th, 1991) a former Korean comfort woman Kim Hak-sun said that she was sold by her mother. In 1993 Kim Hak-sun told Professor Ahn Byong Jik of Seoul University, "My mother sent me to train as a Geisha (Kiseng 기생) in Pyongyang and then sold me." Yet she testified before UN Special Rapporteur Radhika Coomaraswamy that she was abducted by the Japanese military. ◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　 Kim Gun-ja In 1993 a former Korean comfort woman Kim Gun-ja told Professor Ahn Byong Jik of Seoul University, "I was sold by my foster father." Yet she testified before UN Special Rapporteur Radhika Coomaraswamy that she was abducted by the Japanese military. Kim Gun-ja also testified before United States House Committee on Foreign Affairs in 2007 and said she was abducted by the Japanese military. ◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　 Lee Yong-soo In 1993 a former Korean comfort woman Lee Yong-soo told Professor Ahn Byong Jik of Seoul University, "At the time I was shabbily dressed and wretched. On the day I left home with my friend Kim Pun-sun without telling my mother, I was wearing a black skirt, a cotton shirt and wooden clogs on my feet. You don't know how pleased I was when I received a red dress and a pair of leather shoes from a Korean recruiter." Yet she testified before UN Special Rapporteur Radhika Coomaraswamy that she was abducted by the Japanese military. Lee Yong-soo also testified before United States House Committee on Foreign Affairs in 2007. She was told that she had five minutes to speak. She ignored the instruction and went on for over one hour putting on a performance of crying and screaming. Her false testimony resulted in the passage of United States House of Representatives House Resolution 121. In 2017 Lee Yong-soo gave false testimonies before San Francisco City Council, which resulted in the erection of a comfort women statue in that city. ◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　 Moon Pil-ki In 1993 a former Korean comfort woman Kil Won-ok told Professor Ahn Byong Jik of Seoul University, "I was sold by my parents." Yet she testified before UN Special Rapporteur Radhika Coomaraswamy that she was abducted by the Japanese military. ◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　 According to several witnesses, Chong Dae Hyup (pro-North activist group) coached women to say "I was abducted by the Japanese military." Professor Ahn Byong Jik of Seoul University says, "When I interviewed former comfort women in the early 1990s, none of them had anything bad to say about the Japanese military. They hated their parents who sold them and Korean comfort station owners who mistreated them. But after Chong Dae Hyup put them on its payroll, their testimonies had completely changed." ◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　 Sim Mi-ja A former Korean comfort woman Sim Mi-ja who refused to be on Chong Dae Hyup's payroll said, "The Korean women, who testified before UN Special Rapporteur, lied on behalf of Chong Dae Hyup. They are swindlers" ◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　 Bae Chun-hee In an interview with Professor Park Yuha of Sejong University in South Korea, a former Korean comfort woman Bae Chun-hee said she hated her father who sold her. She said that men who recruited Korean women and operated comfort stations were all Korean, and that Korean women who testified before UN Special Rapporteur lied on behalf of Chong Dae Hyup. ◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　 In wars, soldiers sometimes rape innocent women. To prevent this from happening, the Japanese military asked businessmen to recruit prostitutes and operate comfort stations (brothels). The following is the order the Japanese military sent to comfort station operators. It says "Do not recruit women against thier will. Only recruit willing prostitutes." Japanese businessmen followed the order and only recruited willing women in Japan. But Korean businessmen recruited both willing prostitutes and unwilling women in Korea. This is why some of former Korean comfort women are still unhappy while we hear little or no complaint from former Japanese comfort women. If Korean comfort station owners had followed the Japanese military's order, there wouldn't have been any comfort women issue. The Japanese military was partly guilty because its invasion into China and Southeast Asia did create the demand for comfort women. But the Korean narrative -- the Japanese military showed up at the doors and abducted young Korean women -- just didn't happen. The Korean brothel operators (comfort station owners) capitalized on the demand, recruited Korean women, operated comfort stations and made lots of money. Japan has apologized for its part. South Korea should admit its complicity and stop demanding Japan for more apologies.

[@MrLemania]

@@SL-jn8cz "The 'forgotten' My Lai: South Korea's Vietnam War massacres" South Korea's 'crucial' role In September 1965, President Park Chung-hee, a former army general who had seized power in a coup four years earlier, ordered thousands of South Korean combat troops to pour into Vietnam. *They formed the bulk of of the Free World Military Assistance Forces, an unlikely grouping of troops from South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, the Philippines, Spain and Taiwan* According to a 2016 report by the US School of Advanced Military Studies, "the ROK (Republic of Korea) Army played a crucial role in the US Army's operations ... and by 1972, outnumbered their American partners." Around 320,000 South Korean soldiers would rotate through Vietnam during the war, with more than 50,000 in the country at the height of their deployment, according to the SAMS report. Despite this, South Korea's role in the conflict is little known in the West, where the Vietnam War is near universally depicted in popular culture as being fought by US troops, with other nations reduced to minor supporting roles. In the "Winter Soldier" hearings organized by Vietnam Veterans Against the War, a transcript of which was later entered into the Congressional Record by Sen. Mark Hatfield, soldiers testified, in Kerry's words, to how "they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam." They also testified about the conduct of their allies. One witness told the "Winter Soldier" hearings how they handed over four captured female North Vietnamese army nurses to ROK Marines. "They tied their hands to the ground, they spread-eagled them: they raped all four," he said, going on to describe how the Korean troops mutilated and murdered the women. ----- *In another words, “if South Korea could use this against Japan, we would use this forever. Otherwise, we ignore and cover this up*

[@MrLemania]

Inconsistencies in the Korean Comfort Women Narrative After WWII, allied tribunals convicted numerous Koreans of participation in war crimes. More recently, however, a Korean group called the “Truth Commission on Forced Mobilization under Japanese Imperialism,” formed under Korean President Roh Moo-hyun, examined those convictions and announced on November 13, 2006, that “83 of the 146 Koreans convicted of war crimes were victims of Japan and should not be blamed.” Michael Breen, Korea Times contributor and author of the popular text The Koreans (2004) reacted critically. Breen pointed out that the international tribunals that rendered the convictions had reached their judgments based on a review of the available evidence, and persons who were merely doing their jobs were acquitted. As to those convicted, Breen comments They were not tried as soldiers or POW camp guards who had done their jobs. They were tried for overzealousness, for decisions and actions over and above the call of duty. They were the thugs, the brutes, the monsters, the most horrible… Breen describes atrocities committed by Korean camp guards that represented indignities that no human being should suffer. He chastised the commission for its political correctness: “The Commission should know that those rounding up comfort women were Koreans and those torturing people in police stations were mostly Koreans.” He added that “people who committed crimes against humanity are not innocent by virtue of being Korean any more than Japanese who brutalized Koreans are innocent by virtue of being Japanese.” Breen’s father had a close friend who had been a prisoner of war and suffered under Korean guards. Breen offers poignant insight into the only path to genuine clemency and rebuked the Korean officials who reversed the convictions of Korea’s war criminals: In August 1999 police issued an arrest warrant for Kim Kyong Soo, president of the Korean Special Tourism Industry Association, on suspicion that he had brought more than 1,000 Filipina and Russian women into Korea to work as bar girls around U.S. military bases. A judge cancelled the warrant for lack of evidence and closed the case.[29] Nevertheless, an American sergeant told Time magazine, in words chillingly similar to the Korean comfort women stories, that the +Russian and Filipina women* in the Dongducheon bars “are here because they’ve been tricked. They’re told they’re going to be bartending or waitressing, but once they get here, things are different.”[30] In 2005 a former Filipina bar worker was awarded $5,000 from a South Korean nightclub owner who forced her to have sex with U.S. soldiers for money, and a club owner was convicted of illegal brothel-keeping. In 2014, 122 former workers in brothels serving American troops in Korea filed suit in the Seoul Central District Court, claiming that the South Korean government controlled their activities and infringed on their human rights against their will.[32] On January 20, 2017, the court partially affirmed their claims, ordering the state to pay five million won each to 57 of the plaintiffs, ruling that the government had no legal basis to forcibly detain them for health reasons in the 1960s and 1970s. However, the court rejected their claims that the state violated the law by facilitating prostitution, because they could have exercised their “free will” and not participated.

[@たのたん]

Many Japanese know Americans took all experiment results done by JP military with Chinease people. You see how powerful pharma compaines

[@Revenger3rdUnit]

Does the public know Japanese war criminals were excused and let go of their war crimes too?

[@cjyoung4080]

@@Revenger3rdUnit Their navy is still waving the imperial flag... their Prime Ministers still pay tribute at the memorial of war criminals. Oh yeh.. they built fking monuments for their war criminals

[@jasonlee148]

​@@cjyoung4080china remembers and will always remember. Any attempt on Japan's part to return to their militaristic past will see China's forces descending on them with relentless fury.

[@adnanzahir]

@@Revenger3rdUnit good question but it was the high ranking ones who were let go

[@AJ-iu6nw]

during the war. I heard stories that basically went like this. When the villagers heard that the Japanese Imperial Army was approaching, they would have the man of the household swap places with their neighbors. This was done so that when the soldiers came, they would not be forced to "perform incest" on their own daughters.

[@funkthat]

Half Filipino american married to a Japanese american, have 2 mixed kids boy and girl, so ya their entire lineage is complicated. We now live in Yokohama Japan. but it has nothing to do with them it was the Governments in charge at the time who were the bad actors. My kids wont hear a damn thing from me about historical conflicts until they are of age.

[@DonTitoNYC]

Interesting! But it can't just be Japan. I'm sure every countries shall learn from each mistakes in histories in Asia. Cambodia and the Philippines, for example.

[@AJ-iu6nw]

Japanese soldiers did some really messed up sexual abuse. I heard stories that basically went like this. When the villagers heard that the Japanese Imperial Army was approaching, they would have the man of the household swap places with their neighbors. This was done so that when the soldiers came, they would not be forced to "perform incest" on their own daughters.

[@MrLemania]

Korea's claim: Korea taught Japan its culture. “Freedom Betrayed” by Herbert Hoover, pp.737-738 During Annexation (1910-1945) "I first visited Korea in 1909 [1909-ed], to advise some Japanese industrialists on engineering matters. The Korean people at that time were in the most disheartening condition that I had witnessed in any part of Asia. There was little law and order. The masses were underfed, under-clothed, under-housed and under-equipped. There was no sanitation, and filth and squalor enveloped the whole countryside. The roads were hardly passable, and there were scant communication or educational facilities. Scarcely a tree broke the dismal landscape. Thieves and bandits seemed to be unrestrained. During the thirty-five years of Japanese control, the life of the Korean people was revolutionized. Beginning with the most unpromising human material, the Japanese established order, built harbors, railways, roads and communications, good public buildings, and greatly improved housing. They established sanitation and taught better methods of agriculture. They built immense fertilizer factories in North Korea which lifted the people’s food supplies to reasonable levels. They reforested the bleak hills. They established a general system of education and the development of skills. Even the dusty, drab and filthy clothing had been replaced with clean bright colors. The Koreans, compared to the Japanese, were poor at administration and business. Whether for this reason or by deliberate action, the Japanese filled all major economic and governmental positions. Thus, in1948 when they finally achieved self-government, the Koreans were little prepared for it."

[@adrianomfg]

@@MrLemania uh what are you goin on about? This video was about japans war atrocities. Japan during WWII committed some of the most evil war crimes ever commited by any country ever. Child sex slaves, human experimentation etc. were you attempting to justify japans colonization of Korea? Don’t do that.

[@MrLemania]

@@adrianomfg Many Koreans have accused Japan of receiving much terrible treatment to Korean people by an old Japanese government during the war. Of course there are few war experienced people. Many Koreans who have claimed have not had any experience of the Pacific War. In other words they have only learned war history of modern Korea which started the year of 1900. However, their complaints about war issues are related to Japan were wrong.　They claimed that Japan dominated Korean people during the war, and so on. However, these stories have no conclusive evidence. Are their criticisms true? If they want to get right information about the war history between Japan and Korea, they can get many facts from internet or books these days. Nevertheless, they have been maintaining and attacking Japan’s old acts in Korea since the World War II finished. This is very strange.In fact their stories are wrong for three reasons. I want to give you the three facts about history between Korea and Japan.First of all I would like to explain about the Japan-Korea Annexation. The Iljinhoe (一進会) was a nation-wide pro-Japan organization in Korea. The party thought that Korea could not develop capitalism on its own, and demanded a merger with the Japanese Empire.　Meanwhile, Japan needed to defend itself from Western countries such as Soviet, so the newly modernized Meiji government of Japan turned to Korea because various Western countries actively competed for influence, trade, goods, and territory in East Asia in the late 19th and early 20th century. On 22 August 1910, Japan effectively annexed Korea with the Japan-Korea Annexation Treaty signed by Lee Wan-Yong, Prime Minister of Korea. However, Korean people said Japan occupied Korea forcedly.　Secondly, Korea has claimed that they suffered by old Japanese government, but Japan established the infrastructure actually. In fact Korea was a very poor country in the early of the 19th century; so many foreigners said Korea was entirely unsanitary. The Japanese government created transportation infrastructure and official buildings such as schools, hospitals and post offices, and so on. Koreans extended their lives span in deed. However, Koreans have not learned the fact in schools under the political reasons. Finally, I want to show you the data of participation of military and some facts after the war finished. Japan and Korea started only a volunteer military system in 1938. KoreaKorean military participation ★1939 Applicants 12,348 Accepted 613 ★1940 Applicants 84,443 Accepted 3,060 ★1941 Applicants 144,743 Accepted 3,208 ★1942 Applicants 254,273 Accepted 4,077 ★1943 Applicants 303,294 Accepted 6,300 洪思翊, Hong Sa Ik, he was Korean, who was Lieutenant General of Japanese Imperial Army. 朴春琴, Park Chun-geum was a member of House of Representatives in Tokyo. A seat in the House of Representatives was an elective post. He was elected twice from his district in Tokyo. Many Korean men joined the Japanese Imperial Army, and some Korean experts supported their countries because Korea was the same country as Japan, but they did not pay any postwar reparations to Asian countries. Not only this, Korea received Japan’s oversea assets which were in Korea and 8 hundred million dollars as war reparations from Japan in 1965. In conclusion, Koreans accusations are completely incorrect for these reasons. Therefore what they say is an absurd story.

[@Jokingboy-mm3is]

Japan is the worse

[@rmethe2n]

There is something you must know to accurately understand the essence of the Japanese people. It is called Tatemae. To put it simply, it is hypocrisy. It is a virtue in Japanese society called datemae (建前). It is a dual difference of heart and attitude, and is a basic element that Japanese people have when living in society. This is not considered evil in Japanese society, but rather a clever way of dealing with society. Hiding your true feelings from others is very important and encouraged in Japan. This is deeply connected to Japan's samurai culture and history. They don't care about truth or morality. Winners are good, losers are bad. It's good if you follow the whole system and don't rebel. If you speak out differently, you become a troublemaker and are bad. This is Japanese culture and social consciousness. This Japanese social and cultural collective consciousness is deeply rooted even within Japanese individuals as of 2024, and is like an inherent principle that governs Japan, including their daily lives, interpersonal relationships, and the organizations that make up society. For this reason, the Japanese consider themselves victims of World War II. I think the reason Japan is treated as a war criminal is simply because they lost the war. People must accurately recognize the essence of the Japanese people. Otherwise, they will one day pierce the stomach of what you thought was a kind and peaceful companion. The only reason Japan calls for peace these days is simply because the current situation forces them to do so. It is not out of their sincere regret. Do you think they are quiet because they reflect on the crimes they committed in the war? they never believe the existence of Good and Evil. Remorse needs to apologize to victims sincerely from the heart and show action and responsibility accordingly. They have never regretted for their sins. They just made a deal. By throwing money at those who want compensation, they bought A justification for being free from international responsibility for what they have done. So they gave money to the victim countries and get an justification. and did what Japan deeply wanted. They concealed and denied numerous things they committed in the past, including the Nanjing Massacre, biological experiments in Unit 731, kidnapping of minors and married women, sexual assault, forced pregnancy, forced abortion, infanticide, and prisoner beheading competition. It doesn't matter to them whether it was real or not. Japanese believe that they are treated as losers because of our defeat in World War II, so they just take action to change the reality of being recognized as losers and being treated unreasonably. The United States must make decisions carefully. Especially strategy in Northeast Asia. Isolationism will never help America in the medium to long term. Complex situations, including its status as a reserve currency country and interest rate issues, will push the United States into a spiral that cannot be resolved through the U.S. domestic market alone.

[@orangutan4696]

Sounds like today nice Japan is a product of Monkeys see monkeys do.

[@Miro23]

I mean the Filipinos were forced and killed for adapting Christianity and Spanish names. Nowadays nearly no one is complaining about it.

[@JayMpn1xl]

I love you guys. You should travel eat.

[@miraclemay24]

Education is key that's all I'm going to say

[@cjyoung4080]

Oh yeh... Japanese navy is still waving their imperial flag

[@dorrelmccall3694]

The sunsets on every empire.

[@esloy07]

Huwes de Kutsilyo, a filipino infant baby boy were tossed up high in the air and catch it with their bayonet.

[@cristinastgermain]

This is a great conversation. I was just thinking about it… Children always have the responsibility to make peace from their parents fights. We must all try to look past shitty history all around and dedicate ourselves to it not happening again.

[@pneuma33]

wow, lot of hate in this comments towards japanese. how does anyone here know if its taught in schools or not? or taught by word of mouth from family over there? most of these comments suggest continued racism, hatred, and punishment

[@MrLemania]

Inconsistencies in the Korean Comfort Women Narrative After WWII, allied tribunals convicted numerous Koreans of participation in war crimes. More recently, however, a Korean group called the “Truth Commission on Forced Mobilization under Japanese Imperialism,” formed under Korean President Roh Moo-hyun, examined those convictions and announced on November 13, 2006, that “83 of the 146 Koreans convicted of war crimes were victims of Japan and should not be blamed.” Michael Breen, Korea Times contributor and author of the popular text The Koreans (2004) reacted critically. Breen pointed out that the international tribunals that rendered the convictions had reached their judgments based on a review of the available evidence, and persons who were merely doing their jobs were acquitted. As to those convicted, Breen comments They were not tried as soldiers or POW camp guards who had done their jobs. They were tried for overzealousness, for decisions and actions over and above the call of duty. They were the thugs, the brutes, the monsters, the most horrible… Breen describes atrocities committed by Korean camp guards that represented indignities that no human being should suffer. He chastised the commission for its political correctness: “The Commission should know that those rounding up comfort women were Koreans and those torturing people in police stations were mostly Koreans.” He added that “people who committed crimes against humanity are not innocent by virtue of being Korean any more than Japanese who brutalized Koreans are innocent by virtue of being Japanese.” Breen’s father had a close friend who had been a prisoner of war and suffered under Korean guards. Breen offers poignant insight into the only path to genuine clemency and rebuked the Korean officials who reversed the convictions of Korea’s war criminals: In August 1999 police issued an arrest warrant for Kim Kyong Soo, president of the Korean Special Tourism Industry Association, on suspicion that he had brought more than 1,000 Filipina and Russian women into Korea to work as bar girls around U.S. military bases. A judge cancelled the warrant for lack of evidence and closed the case.[29] Nevertheless, an American sergeant told Time magazine, in words chillingly similar to the Korean comfort women stories, that the Russian and Filipina women in the Dongducheon bars “are here because they’ve been tricked. They’re told they’re going to be bartending or waitressing, but once they get here, things are different.”[30] In 2005 a former Filipina bar worker was awarded $5,000 from a South Korean nightclub owner who forced her to have sex with U.S. soldiers for money, and a club owner was convicted of illegal brothel-keeping. In 2014, 122 former workers in brothels serving American troops in Korea filed suit in the Seoul Central District Court, claiming that the South Korean government controlled their activities and infringed on their human rights against their will.[32] On January 20, 2017, the court partially affirmed their claims, ordering the state to pay five million won each to 57 of the plaintiffs, ruling that the government had no legal basis to forcibly detain them for health reasons in the 1960s and 1970s. However, the court rejected their claims that the state violated the law by facilitating prostitution, because they could have exercised their “free will” and not participated.

[@TOOTOO-f6v]

because there's too much love for Japan duh

[@pneuma33]

People always find some reason to break down what is good and respectable@@TOOTOO-f6v

[@orangutan4696]

Tell that to your Jewish friends.

[@itgirl_nyc]

I love the Japanese culture, food etc. I don’t love what they did during WWII. I don’t love how they deny the truth. Their atrocities are not knowledge as part of their history and not taught in their schools. They denied the awful things they did to comfort women. That’s not right.

[@YoYo-zx2zt]

As 22 old Japanese guy, I have to admit that we didn't teach us enough about war crime. yeah, when I was in school, we didn't discuss about it and just read the sentence. I am so sorry. But I have things to want to say. We did apologize 25 times in People's Republic of China. Former Prime Minister Tanaka apologized in September 29 in 1972, and In normalizing relations between Japan and China, China voluntarily abandoned post-war reparations. On the other hand, Tibet has been an autonomous region of China since the People's Liberation Army invaded and overran the country in 1950-51. how about Uyghur ethnicity. Korea, civilian massacre in Vietnam. They never apology to them. When the Kim Dae-jung administration revealed its willingness to provide compensation for the South Korean military's suspicion of massacring Vietnamese civilians, he replied, "It is not necessary." The United States, Have we really apologized enough to Africa? What about the two atomic bombs? How do you treat Native Americans? Why were Japanese Americans ( why it doesn't include italian and german) detained during the war?What about the invasion of Vietnam? We should not forget the lessons of history, but we should get out of the victim mentality. I hope we can get along with each other. idk how long it will take.

[@RollerBladingSuxs]

You're 5'4 so calm down.

[@YoYo-zx2zt]

@@RollerBladingSuxs sorry man. The internet drives me crazy. What does 5’4 mean btw?!

[@Jabbawokeez4]

1) The government of Japan's apologies were forced and not sincere. 2) Yes, Communist China, US, and Korea have done horrible things. But you are making a strawman argument. We're talking about Japan, not other countries. Just because other countries did bad things, doesn't mean it's okay for Japan to do bad things too. "Other countries did bad things too and didn't properly apologize, so it's okay for Japan to do it." What about Germany? kzbin.info/www/bejne/en6xe55ngbOJZtk&ab_channel=FelifromGermany They have done the hard and painful work of educating themselves (to an exhaustive extent) about the true history of WW2, honestly discussing it and analyzing it in their public school system. Japan has done no such thing. Japan continues to barely teach the true, uncensored history. Young Japanese today barely know what happened. They think they are victims of the war because of the 2 bombs. They don't know what their ancestors did to other countries in East and Southeast Asia, how blood thirsty and depraved they were, to make the US drop those bombs. Do you know they threw babies into the air and caught them with bayonets? The Germans make killing an industry. The Japanese made killing a sport. 3) The Japanese can't forget the lessons of history because they never properly learned about it in the first place. Stop gaslighting us about victim mentality; it's not victim mentality, it's the historical truth. I hope we can get along with each other too. It's not a matter of how much time needs to pass, it's a matter of Japan doing the honorable thing and following the German example. Until then, Japan is a dishonorable country.

[@GlobalMan-nr3hq]

Ask your grandfather or senior folks that are still alive on what really happened and the majority will not talk about it. Ever wondered why they wont talk? I will tell you why. Because they were young men that were trained in a highly regimented and brutal "give no quarter" military culture where the ugly side of samurai bushido culture was pervasive. So they did what was ordered of them and that included beheading, bayonetting and torturing civilians and prisoners of war in an unprecedented scale. Then, after the war, they went back to their ordinary civilian lives and many regretted and were astounded how they could perform such brutal acts in a time of war and so they never wanted to talk about it. That's the ugly naked truth. As for the 2 atomic bombs, Truman made a calculus that if US were to invade Japan, the maniacal resistance that Imperial Japan was putting up in Iwo Jima, Saipan and other stepping stones islands were indicative that there would be millions of US casualties AND THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION of Japan as a nation and as a people. It's unfortunate the way it happened and many innocent civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki died. However, Japan was saved from itself and the Allies made it a point NOT to bomb Kyoto and keep Hirohito on the throne to preserve Japanese culture and rebuild Japan that it is today. The only thing the US did not do well enough was to institute a culture within Japan of awareness and reconciliation with the countries that Japan brutalized. The victim countries were too weak and disheveled and didn't really have a voice in the how the Allies decided to conduct its post war policies with Japan. The inscrutability of the Japanese culture also played a role in reticence in recognizing the true conduct that Japan conducted itself in the war. It doesn't matter how many Japanese head of states "apologized" if the country as a whole internally has not really come to grips with what really happened. The invaded countries see that and that is why there is still rancor. Having said that, young Japanese should not feel guilty about it but they should be educated and be aware what really happened. They don't need to apologize for it but be aware that that is what really happened, not go into Whataboutisms and this will go a long way in healing.

[@weaver1507]

Those "apologies" don't mean a damn thing if the very next day you visit yasukuni shrine buddy, or if you try to take down comfort women statues, or take a picture under a plane numbered 731, is this really so difficult to comprehend? Also Korea has apologized to Vietnam many times, funnily enough it's actually the pro Japanese side of Korea that denies the war crimes, go figure.

[@kw9592]

Great podcast!!

[@StaffordVenema]

I think it's important to teach that something terrible that happened but I don't think it's necessarily such a good idea to be so specific about how horrific and ugly it really was. Because I think that people who do these things were probably always predisposed to do these things on some level. That's regardless of what color they are in regardless of whether they're Japanese or German or American or whatever. It might just be dangerous to give potentially evil individuals ideas.

[@shihabahmed2809]

there is no need

[@accordiongordon]

David keeps saying he’s not the expert and isn’t gonna bat 1000, and I have to agree with him lol. Sorry Fung Bros, but you guys were a little too soft on this topic. Every other Asian country is happy to move forward and forgive Japan for its war crimes, but that’s contingent on Japan coming to terms with and acknowledging and apologizing for its past actions. We’ll all move forward, but the question is, will Japan too? Even the previous PM, now deceased Shinzo Abe regularly paid visits and paid respects to the highly controversial Yasukuni Shrine which honors a bunch of Japanese war criminals. Sure, maybe time makes actions fade in the collective memory, but it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Just like Roman Polanski, it’s funny how much we adore his films and conveniently forget that decades ago he straight up raped a young teenage girl, that as of today he has an arrest warrant waiting for him if he steps foot on US soil. That’s just not right, and we shouldn’t let Japan off the hook either for atrocities they committed 80 years ago.

[@MrLemania]

Inconsistencies in the Korean Comfort Women Narrative After WWII, allied tribunals convicted numerous Koreans of participation in war crimes. More recently, however, a Korean group called the “Truth Commission on Forced Mobilization under Japanese Imperialism,” formed under Korean President Roh Moo-hyun, examined those convictions and announced on November 13, 2006, that “83 of the 146 Koreans convicted of war crimes were victims of Japan and should not be blamed.” Michael Breen, Korea Times contributor and author of the popular text The Koreans (2004) reacted critically. Breen pointed out that the international tribunals that rendered the convictions had reached their judgments based on a review of the available evidence, and persons who were merely doing their jobs were acquitted. As to those convicted, Breen comments They were not tried as soldiers or POW camp guards who had done their jobs. They were tried for overzealousness, for decisions and actions over and above the call of duty. They were the thugs, the brutes, the monsters, the most horrible… Breen describes atrocities committed by Korean camp guards that represented indignities that no human being should suffer. He chastised the commission for its political correctness: “The Commission should know that those rounding up comfort women were Koreans and those torturing people in police stations were mostly Koreans.” He added that “people who committed crimes against humanity are not innocent by virtue of being Korean any more than Japanese who brutalized Koreans are innocent by virtue of being Japanese.” Breen’s father had a close friend who had been a prisoner of war and suffered under Korean guards. Breen offers poignant insight into the only path to genuine clemency and rebuked the Korean officials who reversed the convictions of Korea’s war criminals: In August 1999 police issued an arrest warrant for Kim Kyong Soo, president of the Korean Special Tourism Industry Association, on suspicion that he had brought more than 1,000 Filipina and Russian women into Korea to work as bar girls around U.S. military bases. A judge cancelled the warrant for lack of evidence and closed the case.[29] Nevertheless, an American sergeant told Time magazine, in words chillingly similar to the Korean comfort women stories, that the Russian and Filipina women in the Dongducheon bars “are here because they’ve been tricked. They’re told they’re going to be bartending or waitressing, but once they get here, things are different.”[30] In 2005 a former Filipina bar worker was awarded $5,000 from a South Korean nightclub owner who forced her to have sex with U.S. soldiers for money, and a club owner was convicted of illegal brothel-keeping. In 2014, 122 former workers in brothels serving American troops in Korea filed suit in the Seoul Central District Court, claiming that the South Korean government controlled their activities and infringed on their human rights against their will.[32] On January 20, 2017, the court partially affirmed their claims, ordering the state to pay five million won each to 57 of the plaintiffs, ruling that the government had no legal basis to forcibly detain them for health reasons in the 1960s and 1970s. However, the court rejected their claims that the state violated the law by facilitating prostitution, because they could have exercised their “free will” and not participated.

[@accordiongordon]

@@MrLemania sorry, can you give me a tldr?

[@accordiongordon]

@@MrLemania lol found the imperial japanese conspiracy sympathizer. Basically the asian neo-nazi 😂

[@MrLemania]

@@accordiongordon Korea's claim: Korea taught Japan its culture. “Freedom Betrayed” by Herbert Hoover, pp.737-738 During Annexation (1910-1945) "I first visited Korea in 1909 [1909-ed], to advise some Japanese industrialists on engineering matters. The Korean people at that time were in the most disheartening condition that I had witnessed in any part of Asia. There was little law and order. The masses were underfed, under-clothed, under-housed and under-equipped. There was no sanitation, and filth and squalor enveloped the whole countryside. The roads were hardly passable, and there were scant communication or educational facilities. Scarcely a tree broke the dismal landscape. Thieves and bandits seemed to be unrestrained. During the thirty-five years of Japanese control, the life of the Korean people was revolutionized. Beginning with the most unpromising human material, the Japanese established order, built harbors, railways, roads and communications, good public buildings, and greatly improved housing. They established sanitation and taught better methods of agriculture. They built immense fertilizer factories in North Korea which lifted the people’s food supplies to reasonable levels. They reforested the bleak hills. They established a general system of education and the development of skills. Even the dusty, drab and filthy clothing had been replaced with clean bright colors. The Koreans, compared to the Japanese, were poor at administration and business. Whether for this reason or by deliberate action, the Japanese filled all major economic and governmental positions. Thus, in1948 when they finally achieved self-government, the Koreans were little prepared for it."

[@accordiongordon]

@@MrLemania can I get a tldr, asian equivalent of a nazi sympathizer?

[@danielh.179]

I don’t care if they feel bad as long as they are AWARE of what really happened and prevent it from happening again. As far as I can tell there is much more awareness than people outside of Japan seem to think. It makes me wonder how aware Chinese people are of the crimes that are being committed by China against Tibetans on a daily basis in the year 2023? And if they are aware, why do they travel to Lhasa and behave like they are at god damn cosplay convention?

[@Revenger3rdUnit]

What crimes against Tibetans by China are you even talking about?

[@21goikenban17]

The Japanese wonder about people like you who are not afraid to say that they believe without a doubt what the Chinese authorities said during WW2, but do not believe what the Chinese authorities say today. All you have to do is recognize that the current China was created as a result of the Allies' recklessness on the Chinese mainland. Does your government have a good explanation for this?

[@bacongotback]

I am a first generation Canadian and my family is from Malaysia and my grandfather fought against the Japanese and I've heard crazy crazy stories growing up. My family used to have huge farms and all of it was destroyed. My dad was hiding in the jungle and my great grandma had to dress up like a boy in fear of getting raped and murdered. I've had Japanese friends growing up and a lot of them knew what happened and some were very apologetic but I didn't hold nothing against them personally (It's not like they did it themselves). I'm not shocked of these new findings since the Japanese was pretty tight with the Nazis and I can see similarities during what they did during WWII. Not happy how non of this is was taught in schools ,the Gen Z Japanese educated seem to have no clue of what was done in the past like it never even happened it seems.

[@MrLemania]

Korea's claim: Korea taught Japan its culture. “Freedom Betrayed” by Herbert Hoover, pp.737-738 During Annexation (1910-1945) "I first visited Korea in 1909 [1909-ed], to advise some Japanese industrialists on engineering matters. The Korean people at that time were in the most disheartening condition that I had witnessed in any part of Asia. There was little law and order. The masses were underfed, under-clothed, under-housed and under-equipped. There was no sanitation, and filth and squalor enveloped the whole countryside. The roads were hardly passable, and there were scant communication or educational facilities. Scarcely a tree broke the dismal landscape. Thieves and bandits seemed to be unrestrained. During the thirty-five years of Japanese control, the life of the Korean people was revolutionized. Beginning with the most unpromising human material, the Japanese established order, built harbors, railways, roads and communications, good public buildings, and greatly improved housing. They established sanitation and taught better methods of agriculture. They built immense fertilizer factories in North Korea which lifted the people’s food supplies to reasonable levels. They reforested the bleak hills. They established a general system of education and the development of skills. Even the dusty, drab and filthy clothing had been replaced with clean bright colors. The Koreans, compared to the Japanese, were poor at administration and business. Whether for this reason or by deliberate action, the Japanese filled all major economic and governmental positions. Thus, in1948 when they finally achieved self-government, the Koreans were little prepared for it."

[@GlobalMan-nr3hq]

Yep, all should read about "Sook Ching" where mass arbitrary arrests were made on young Chinese males and they were then killed and buried in mass graves. This was based on a policy of reprisal against overseas Chinese for supporting the war China's war against Japan. I personally know of a family whose father was killed that way.

[@MrLemania]

The 13 May 1969 incident was the Sino-Malay sectarian violence that took place in Kuala Lumpur (then part of the state of Selangor), Malaysia on that date in 1969. The riot occurred in the aftermath of the 1969 Malaysian general election when opposition parties made gains at the expense of the ruling coalition, the Alliance Party. Official reports put the number of deaths due to the riots at 196, although Western diplomatic sources at the time suggested a toll of close to 600, with most of the victims Chinese.[1] The racial riots led to a declaration of a state of national emergency or Darurat by the Yang di-Pertuan Agong resulting in the suspension of the Parliament by the Malaysian government, while the National Operations Council (NOC), also known as the Majlis Gerakan Negara (MAGERAN), was established as a caretaker government to temporarily govern the country between 1969 and 1971.

[@GlobalMan-nr3hq]

@@MrLemania You can cite all the examples you want to deflect blame and it only shows your inability to accept the truth. You think denialism is your best defense but that is exactly why this problem keeps on festering with people like you.

[@blaizegottman4139]

Seems like this video biased

[@ericsohn5084]

Nah you are biased, a typical brainwashed Japanophil

[@Oscar42o]

Stfu my little pony weeb/incel.

[@kshinokevin]

"Bataan" (1943): the Philippine Islands were being invaded by the Japanese. "The Bridge On the River Kwai" (1957; it was based on a 1952 book); Fists of Fury" (the Chinese Connection): 1972 - there was a sign that said "No Dogs or Chinese allowed." Bruce Lee kicks the wooden sign off of its metal gate. "1941: (a comedy in 1979): in which the Japanese military (navy) lead by Toshiro Mifune (a famous Japanese (samurai) action film legend, tries to invade Hollywood (Los Angeles); John Belushi, Dan Aykroyd, Christopher Lee, Nancy Allen, Ned Beatty and Tim Matheson; a Steven Spielberg directed film. "Don't Cry, Nanking' (1995): War/Drama. "Pearl Harbor" (2001): a War/Action film with Ben Affleck, Josh Hartnett, Kate Beckinsale, Jennifer Garner, Cuba Gooding Jr., Alec Baldwin. "Nanking" 2007: War Documentary about the story of the Japanese military army and the Nanjing Massacre (back in 1937); they acted like (Nordic) Vikings. I forgot all about those (Japanese) internment camp films, like "Come See The Paradise" (1990: Dennis Quaid and Tamlyn Tomita ("The Karate Kid, Part 2" & 1993's "The Joy Luck Club (JLC)," a trailblazing film) or a documentary about it, starring George Takei, "Sulu" from Star Trek: the Original Series. But, in this context, it would be irelevant.

[@adrianomfg]

Japans government is hyper fixated on history. Something controversial is yasakuni. A shrine in the middle of Tokyo. Inshrined are the names of those who died at war with 13 WWII class A war criminals, including hideki Tojo, the Hitler of Asia. There are still people who dress in imperial military garb and enter the shrine yearly. This to many Asians is the equivalent to having a Nazi shrine in Berlin and every year there’s a Nazi parade at said shrine. Also another being their education system. The government of Japan is ultra nationalistic and their views on WWII and what japans legacy should be are skewed. Former PM Abe’s grandfather actually co signed the declaration of war against the United States. They’re education system is very biased and either downplay or omit certain events of the war. Very different to the German system where they teach the war in detail. Describing their country’s war crimes and atrocities and Nazism. Japan must adopt a system like this in order not only teach unrevised history but to truly face their past. The dangers of this is that a whole generation of Japanese kids will be ignorant as to why their neighbors hold animosity.

[@dukkyfuzzfuzzydukk3594]

Japans denial says it all. All the war crimes need to be punished.

[@danielalbo3781]

Punish them how? Sanction them? Gas their citizens? Blow up their boats that are used for trade? No you don’t punish countries. You can demand they do reparations, thankfully, the Germans had a little less luxury to lie about their crimes so they didn’t have much choice. Japan however, is too far ahead of time to do reparations

[@blaizegottman4139]

They actually were

[@blaizegottman4139]

​@@danielalbo3781I agree

[@blockraven22]

Most of Nazi war criminals were let go, because Americans didn't want to spend more time on the tribunals. A lot of German companies around today were directly responsible for the murder of millions of people. But they apologized.

[@silveriver9]

With Japan declining and the rest of Asia rising. Japan will find itself in a bad situation for not apologizing. When their economy was strong, they felt they could get away with not apologizing. Oh, were they so wrong.

[@yusefkhan1752]

I don’t care about this at all and it just creates animosity among Asians. If it goes too far Japan will just be pushed further into us hands. What about all the crimes committed by China for 5000 years what if nobody wanted to forget those? You think China became so big through peace love and boba? No it didn’t. So drop the subject and focus on harmony in east Asia.

[@weaver1507]

Yusef, WW2 was not 5000 years ago. Some of the victims and perpetrators are literally still alive.

[@mautre]

​@@weaver1507 💯💯💯💯💯

[@SKaiM-mk3zu]

Hmm..

[@blaizegottman4139]

This channel seems very biased

[@janreybaldonado1974]

Pilipino even colonized by japan we dont hate anyone else. May korean an china. Other ways UNITED STATES also not teaching US children American butals wrong doing in the Philippines but we dont hate them

[@codyshi4743]

What also made this controversy worst in this hostility is that some Korean and Chinese would even go as far as supporting the denial of Japanese war crimes, and Glorying Japan with their war crimes atrocity in order to fit their anti-communist and anti-China political agenda. Another reason why us asian are so heavily divided.

[@TianZhaoHeavenlyFortune]

YES they absolutely should, that one comment about Germany is something I 100% agree with. They definitely need to follow the Germans in terms of how THEY sincerely apologized/repented/showed-remorse/etc. It's all because Japan's culture still has that Shinobi culture of "honour" whilst the West has Christianity as its foundation which has "forgiveness" as one of its core tenets. Germany/Europe is heavily steeped in Christianity after all.

[@blaizegottman4139]

I can see lot's of racist people in the comments

[@albback8176]

Agree.

[@Drownedinblood]

This is bullshit. It's because if Japan actually had to own up to the crimes, it'd be the people in power who are largely related to those who commited those crimes and still honor them who will be punished. The LDP is filled with descendants of the same leadership as Imperial Japan, Abe is the most infamous. The avg Japanese if properly educated on it, wouldn't be an issue unless of course they are right wing nationalist nutjobs.

[@justinchan6043]

Also, I think, if the schools aren't going to teach about Japan's war atrocities during WWII, us writers need to help educate the youth about it. I would like to point to how the Ip Man movies helped put a spotlight on that period and how the Japanese treated Chinese people. And how once prosperous Chinese citizens, such as Ip Man, became beggars, during the Japanese occupation.

[@MrLemania]

Korea's claim: Korea taught Japan its culture. “Freedom Betrayed” by Herbert Hoover, pp.737-738 During Annexation (1910-1945) "I first visited Korea in 1909 [1909-ed], to advise some Japanese industrialists on engineering matters. The Korean people at that time were in the most disheartening condition that I had witnessed in any part of Asia. There was little law and order. The masses were underfed, under-clothed, under-housed and under-equipped. There was no sanitation, and filth and squalor enveloped the whole countryside. The roads were hardly passable, and there were scant communication or educational facilities. Scarcely a tree broke the dismal landscape. Thieves and bandits seemed to be unrestrained. During the thirty-five years of Japanese control, the life of the Korean people was revolutionized. Beginning with the most unpromising human material, the Japanese established order, built harbors, railways, roads and communications, good public buildings, and greatly improved housing. They established sanitation and taught better methods of agriculture. They built immense fertilizer factories in North Korea which lifted the people’s food supplies to reasonable levels. They reforested the bleak hills. They established a general system of education and the development of skills. Even the dusty, drab and filthy clothing had been replaced with clean bright colors. The Koreans, compared to the Japanese, were poor at administration and business. Whether for this reason or by deliberate action, the Japanese filled all major economic and governmental positions. Thus, in1948 when they finally achieved self-government, the Koreans were little prepared for it."

[@joewhang5671]

Germany apologized for the atrocities they had committed in WW2. Japan has not !! The German economy is currently and has been doing fantastic for the last 20+ years. The Japanese economy has been tanking for the last 20+ years. You think owning up to your sins and crime might better your country and people ?? 🤔

[@miko8033]

Japan apologized many times and compensated it in much postwar period. Germany continues getting away from responsibility.

[@bluegray8428]

Filipinos would appreciate if Japan help us boost our economy...More than what they're doing...Filipinos are more forgiving than Chinese (PRC) and Korea... Remember that Cancel Korea incident??? In the end Filipinos forgave both Japanese and Koreans....but will fight them at present time but after letting of steam we chose to be at ease and be friendly with those who treat us well...just treat us well ....and DON'T GET WHAT BELONGS TO US and say we're still friends...like whuuuut???ok if we're dealt that way....don't expect us not to retaliate 😂 We might not be a rich and mighty nation...but being FRIENDLY and "CONNECTED" has BENEFITS 😆

[@MrLemania]

The Japanese empire would have done the same thing to the Philippines as it did to Korea and Taiwan. "I am 92 years old, and I want to tell you the truth" Professor Choe Ki-ho of Kaya University I was born in 1923. For the sake of South Korea and for Japan, I want to tell you the truth. Telling the truth could threaten my life in South Korea, but I feel it is my duty to do so. I lived in Seoul during the annexation period. I also spent some time in Tokyo. In those days, the Koreans were more proud of being Japanese than the Japanese themselves. At movie theaters in Korea, they showed the war news before the movies were played. For example, if they showed the image of Japan's victory in New Guinea, the Koreans shouted banzai and gave a round of applause. I loved movies, so I went to movie theaters in Japan as well, and the Japanese were calmer. Nowadays the Koreans who speak positively of the Japanese are criticized as "Chinilpa (pro-Japanese)" but in those days over 90% of Koreans were pro-Japanese. After the war, successive South Korean governments have brainwashed the youths with anti-Japanese education in order to incite hatred towards the Japanese. Koreans in the street of Seoul celebrating Japan's advance in China (1941) 90% of history education in South Korea is distorted. In South Korean classrooms, our teachers don't teach how corrupt the Joseon Dynasty was in the 19th century, and they make their students believe that the Koreans could have gained independence without Japan's help. By becoming part of Japan in 1910, education, healthcare, industry and infrastructure in Korea improved dramatically. The foundation of becoming a modern state was built during the annexation period. Yet we teach in our classrooms that Japan's annexation set back Korea's progress. Population and average life span of Koreans doubled under the Japanese The Joseon Dynasty ruined Korean industry, and the Korean thinkers who advocated reforms were brutally executed. The Koreans today shout "brutal Japanese!" "sex slaves!" but the Korean ruling class (Yangban) in the 19th century was far more brutal. The final years of the Joseon Dynasty were so hellish that they would only compare with the present day North Korea. ◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　 goo.gl/16ufMt "I received my education under the Japanese, and I wasn't discriminated at all" Former South Korean Air Force Captain Choe Sam-yeon Colonies have existed since the 15th century. Modern history of mankind can be called the colonial age. We encounter former colonies wherever we go in the world. In Africa people are still in poverty long after the end of being colonized. Which former colonies have achieved economic success? South Korea and Taiwan. Both of them were former Japanese colonies. India was one of the British colonies, but the British didn't spend money on infrastructure, and the Indian economy didn't develop for a long time. It has finally started to grow, but its GDP per capita and literacy are still very low. Japan spent a lot of money on infrastructure both in South Korea and in Taiwan. This was very unique. Other colonizers squeezed natural resources from their colonies but didn't invest in them. Half of Japanese taxpayers' money was spent on colonial infrastructure so that the quality of life would be equivalent. During the Joseon period, the overwhelming majority of the Koreans could not attend schools. When the Japanese came in, they built many schools. So I was able to receive my education, and the quality of education was just as good in Korea as in Japan. The Koreans and the Taiwanese were able to attend military academy of Japan as well. Other colonizers didn't allow people from their colonies to attend military academy of the colonizers. In other words, the Japanese didn't discriminate in education either. In other colonies the discrimination was rightful. The Japanese rule in Korea and Taiwan should not have been called colonization. It was annexation, similar to what England did with Scotland. The Koreans like me who experienced Japan's annexation reminisce it, but unfortunately the younger Koreans who received anti-Japanese brainwashing in schools despise it.

[@fredh8065]

Im a Chinese American and Im not in my 50's or 60s so Im relative "young" generation. But I do noticed that Japanese here in the US still have a bad intent and treat Chinese descent in a negative way. One of my lawyer whos japanese I noticed give me an attitude compared to others. Two of my bosses at different japanese companies also mistreats me many times saying racist thing against Chinese. Even at Japanese restaurant I get a bad eye compared to others. So no, its not just an older generation thing. Younger generation also get this racism to this date. Its just that unlike GErmany, Japanese government NEVER acknowledge their atrocities which is why they live in denial and believe that there is this non sense conspiracy of fake history against them.

[@blaizegottman4139]

Yeah I can see why people are racist towards Japanese

[@yardhostler3728]

It's ok Fred, it goes both ways.

[@tzenzhongguo]

Are they Japanese American or fob?

[@yaowsers77]

i don't have a problem with the japanese people, but i do have no respect for the government and resent them for refusing to acknowledge what they did. i'm 46 and was born and raised in the us. it would be like the british not recognizing slavery both here and in britain. the japanese government purposely ignore the past.

[@Jenn_80]

I am a white American... do you think the Japanese government ignores it because they would have to admit they failed in their attempts to basically conquer all of east Asia?

[@maxgohagen7489]

As a non-East Asian, I feel like the exclusive(and sheltered) society that Japan has fostered throughout time is catching up to it recently in more areas than just politics or in society. For one small example, while Japan is a giant on the global economic scene, its economy actually has been in free fall since the 1990’s while neighboring South Korea was zooming until COVID-19.

[@silveriver9]

China is zooming. China is expected to be 2-3 times bigger than the US economy by 2050. Let that sink in.

[@SoundsOfTheWild3]

That is because the population peaked and have a housing problem, which other East Asian countries like Korea and China are also getting stumped on. South Korea's demographic crisis looks even worse than Japan as they have the lowest birth rate.

[@bishop51807]

​​​​@@silveriver9 quite the contrary, China economically has been shrinking now since a lot of companies are moving away due to trade Wars, supply chain disruptions, patent disputes also the yuan doesn't go very far as it use too. Big corporations are now going to other alternative countries for production specifically India, Pakistan and even Mexico. Also just like Japan to have an aging population that's starting to hurt their economy as well.

[@Revenger3rdUnit]

@@bishop51807 You mean America has been economically shrinking due to the trade wars, fake wars, supply chain disruptions, inflation, housing crisis, debt ceiling. Keep thinking that. America needs immigrations to sustain it's dwindling economic growth and low birth rate. Meanwhile what you have been saying about China the last 10-20 years has been entirely wrong since they keep growing.

[@dtna]

I do agree that museums in Japan do not point out the atrocities that occurred during WWII. I've been there a dozen times and have looked. But it's been over 80 years ago, let it go. My parents, grandparents and great grandparents were in an internment camp for three years because of Japan. And there were girls that broke up with me because their chinese and korean parents disapproved of me being japanese american. We have enough crap to worry about these days without stirring the pot with asian things "going viral". We should just focus on how to fix things like this. Let's stay together!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYDMenZpdpWFha8

[@bigbigdog]

Apples and oranges my dude.

[@bishop51807]

History repeats itself my friend, imagine if Japan didn't teach the atomic bombings? Japan has a lost social issues that won't get solved because it's not upfront with itself and it's past. Never asked anyone to let anything go over when are very past trauma shapes you are exactly as a person.

[@MrGrim504]

Yeah I don't think the vast majority of people want Japan to do something drastic to show that they're sorry but at the very least acknowledge it and show at least a bit of effort in educating the younger generation about it..just standing there and pretending it never happened, especially when it comes to war crimes, is never a good look.

[@weaver1507]

​@@MrGrim504 they don't just stand there and pretend it didn't happen, they are actively trying erase their crimes. Trying to take down comfort women statues are one example.

[@freddieoon3692]

Imagine this ,if someone dear to you was murdered and years later u demand an opology and the murderer wont even recognize it ever happened .its just an apology......... i think if u have kids you would teach them to apologize if they did something wrong?

[@Tom_TTT]

Good video guys. This is a different generation but Japan should own up their mistakes.

[@K9warriorxx6]

They shouldn't feel bad imo. The past is the past, time to move on

[@Noirthodox]

Any chance your direct family was affected by this?

[@peppercane622]

Japan keeps denying it.

[@albback8176]

Easy for you to say.

[@Quandoquesto]

Tell that to the families who's relatives were r*&#d and m*#dered by them

[@ftu2021]

I agree, Germany should stop apologizing for the 60th time about the holocaust. It’s time to move on and start denying it. Because it’s been decades ago so who cares right?

[@imhungry5663]

of course they dont feel bad. America protected Japan... That's why they will never apologize 😑

[@blaizegottman4139]

Racist

[@showato]

The Conquest of Asia by the Imperial Forces was mostly peaceful!

[@Revenger3rdUnit]

You're a clown

[@dennisonseeto]

My father is of Chinese descent and was born during the war in Papua New Guinea. He definitely still holds a lot of angst against the Japanese which was passed down from his mother and older siblings, and he was taught what atrocities the Japanese did to the Chinese (like in Nanking). But you guy's are definitely correct, as the generations have passed the angst against them has diminished. I only just learnt that in Japan, they are hardly teach about what happened in WWII, maybe it's a shame thing. In very stark contrast it's heavily taught in Germany so that the people know to never make that mistake again.

[@silveriver9]

Japan's economy is rapidly declining. It is no longer the advanced high-tech economy it used to be in the 1980s.

[@_________dd]

Its* Not it's.

[@uludak8468]

germany was punished hard and put under "denazification", ideological cleaning by allied forces. japan was soft handed by the US. the nr.1 culprit, hirohito, wasn't trialed at all and even could remain in his position.

[@murderedcarrot9684]

The leadership of the time should. The citizens should be disapproving of any and all individuals that demand loyalty and control.

[@chrisyi2014]

I guarantee all unforgiven war criminals are suffering in torment RIGHT NOW FOR ETERNITY!

[@Drownedinblood]

Theres actually a bigger reason why this is and its more to serve us intentions in the region. By not letting this issue be resolved it continues to be divisive issue in the region and it also allows the japanese to feel protected from having to face consequences and justifies us bases in japan and making japanese feel like they are protected from having to face consequences for this stuff as well as remilitarization.

[@bishop51807]

I think Japan should tell the truth about its history to the Japanese people. Japan has a lot of social problems it has yet to deal with that's causing it's people trouble. If they think less about their country, good! that means real social change can actually happen. Its kind of like how America dealt with the Vietnam War, Jim Crow and women's rights by taking a hard look at itself and bring necessary social change.

[@frry6700]

In asia...especially countries invaded by japan before this is nothing new....

[@mingskyboy]

my grandpa experienced brutal treatment when they occupied ph. he lost his parents and siblings but he managed to escape post ww2 japan creating soft power content (like anime, art, manga, games, etc we consume today) helped rebrand and sweep the nation’s atrocity. I consume their media today but I do feel like they should acknowledge it like how germany did. it didn’t happen to us but it’s still a part of history

[@Quandoquesto]

Poignant that you should cover this fellas... KZbin told me I'm a very naughty boy for expressing an opinion on this along with other people a few weeks ago... Japan should never be forgiven for it's war crimes, they were possibly worse than the nazis in some ways

[@MrLemania]

Korea was the one that requested to become part of Japan The photo on the left: A telegraph sent by Iljinhoe (Korea's leading political party) requesting Japan to annex Korea Photo(click to enlarge)The photo on the right: Iljinhoe enjoyed the overwhelming majority among political parties "The annexation was forced upon Korea by Japan" is a lie ------ Over 800,000 Korean men applied to join the Imperial Japanese Army 1938-1943 1.Year 2.of positions offered to Koreans 3.of applicants 4.accepted 1938 　400 2,946 406 1939 600 12,348 613 1940 3,000 84,443 3,060 1941 3,200 144,743 3,208 1942 4,000 254,273 4,077 1943 6,000 303,394 6,000 IJA was one of the most coveted professions among young Korean men.

[@MrLemania]

Professor Choe Ki-ho of Kaya University I was born in 1923. For the sake of South Korea and for Japan, I want to tell you the truth. Telling the truth could threaten my life in South Korea, but I feel it is my duty to do so. I lived in Seoul during the annexation period. I also spent some time in Tokyo. In those days, the Koreans were more proud of being Japanese than the Japanese themselves. At movie theaters in Korea, they showed the war news before the movies were played. For example, if they showed the image of Japan's victory in New Guinea, the Koreans shouted banzai and gave a round of applause. I loved movies, so I went to movie theaters in Japan as well, and the Japanese were calmer. Nowadays the Koreans who speak positively of the Japanese are criticized as "Chinilpa (pro-Japanese)" but in those days over 90% of Koreans were pro-Japanese. After the war, successive South Korean governments have brainwashed the youths with anti-Japanese education in order to incite hatred towards the Japanese. Koreans in the street of Seoul celebrating Japan's advance in China (1941) 90% of history education in South Korea is distorted. In South Korean classrooms, our teachers don't teach how corrupt the Joseon Dynasty was in the 19th century, and they make their students believe that the Koreans could have gained independence without Japan's help. By becoming part of Japan in 1910, education, healthcare, industry and infrastructure in Korea improved dramatically. The foundation of becoming a modern state was built during the annexation period. Yet we teach in our classrooms that Japan's annexation set back Korea's progress. Population and average life span of Koreans doubled under the Japanese The Joseon Dynasty ruined Korean industry, and the Korean thinkers who advocated reforms were brutally executed. The Koreans today shout "brutal Japanese!" "sex slaves!" but the Korean ruling class (Yangban) in the 19th century was far more brutal. The final years of the Joseon Dynasty were so hellish that they would only compare with the present day North Korea. ◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　 goo.gl/16ufMt "I received my education under the Japanese, and I wasn't discriminated at all" Former South Korean Air Force Captain Choe Sam-yeon Colonies have existed since the 15th century. Modern history of mankind can be called the colonial age. We encounter former colonies wherever we go in the world. In Africa people are still in poverty long after the end of being colonized. Which former colonies have achieved economic success? South Korea and Taiwan. Both of them were former Japanese colonies. India was one of the British colonies, but the British didn't spend money on infrastructure, and the Indian economy didn't develop for a long time. It has finally started to grow, but its GDP per capita and literacy are still very low. Japan spent a lot of money on infrastructure both in South Korea and in Taiwan. This was very unique. Other colonizers squeezed natural resources from their colonies but didn't invest in them. Half of Japanese taxpayers' money was spent on colonial infrastructure so that the quality of life would be equivalent. During the Joseon period, the overwhelming majority of the Koreans could not attend schools. When the Japanese came in, they built many schools. So I was able to receive my education, and the quality of education was just as good in Korea as in Japan. The Koreans and the Taiwanese were able to attend military academy of Japan as well. Other colonizers didn't allow people from their colonies to attend military academy of the colonizers. In other words, the Japanese didn't discriminate in education either. In other colonies the discrimination was rightful. The Japanese rule in Korea and Taiwan should not have been called colonization. It was annexation, similar to what England did with Scotland. The Koreans like me who experienced Japan's annexation reminisce it, but unfortunately the younger Koreans who received anti-Japanese brainwashing in schools despise it.

[@Quandoquesto]

Top notch lads, good job on shining light on this subject and the history of it

[@rochesterjohnny7555]

Every time North Korea lobs a missile in the direction of Japan I quietly cheer a little for North Korea

[@Quandoquesto]

Hope so

[@chayennep1984]

No one is asking the jews to forgive the nazis...some things can't be forgiven easily...

[@Quandoquesto]

True... I know quite a few Jews who still despise Germans, even today

[@chrisyi2014]

I guarantee all unforgiven war criminals are suffering in torment RIGHT NOW FOR ETERNITY!

[@freddieoon3692]

what i learned from this is that countries can do all these atrocities and all you have to do is keep quiet long enough to a point where u can say hey it's in the past why u so hung up on it and you're fine .if that's the case what's stopping countries from repeating these atrocities ?

[@blaizegottman4139]

For real though it's ridiculous Wonder if they actually like Japanese or truly hate them

[@mko0lpmko0lp]

? these atrocities are still happening to this day... the US, Australia, & the Taliban all committed war crimes in Afghanistan. Trump recently pardoned a war criminal from Afghanistan in 2019. S. Korea is sex trafficking Southeast Asian & Russian woman and forcing them to become prostitutes. The Philippine govt even made contracts used to bring Philippine women to S. Korea to work near US military bases illegal in 2013. But that hasn't stopped the sex trafficking to other regions under the guise of becoming kpop stars.

[@AJ-iu6nw]

I heard stories that basically went like this. When the villagers heard that the Japanese Imperial Army was approaching, they would have the man of the household swap places with their neighbors. This was done so that when the soldiers came, they would not be forced to "perform incest" on their own daughters. Disgusting.

[@MrLemania]

Professor Choe Ki-ho of Kaya University I was born in 1923. For the sake of South Korea and for Japan, I want to tell you the truth. Telling the truth could threaten my life in South Korea, but I feel it is my duty to do so. I lived in Seoul during the annexation period. I also spent some time in Tokyo. In those days, the Koreans were more proud of being Japanese than the Japanese themselves. At movie theaters in Korea, they showed the war news before the movies were played. For example, if they showed the image of Japan's victory in New Guinea, the Koreans shouted banzai and gave a round of applause. I loved movies, so I went to movie theaters in Japan as well, and the Japanese were calmer. Nowadays the Koreans who speak positively of the Japanese are criticized as "Chinilpa (pro-Japanese)" but in those days over 90% of Koreans were pro-Japanese. After the war, successive South Korean governments have brainwashed the youths with anti-Japanese education in order to incite hatred towards the Japanese. Koreans in the street of Seoul celebrating Japan's advance in China (1941) 90% of history education in South Korea is distorted. In South Korean classrooms, our teachers don't teach how corrupt the Joseon Dynasty was in the 19th century, and they make their students believe that the Koreans could have gained independence without Japan's help. By becoming part of Japan in 1910, education, healthcare, industry and infrastructure in Korea improved dramatically. The foundation of becoming a modern state was built during the annexation period. Yet we teach in our classrooms that Japan's annexation set back Korea's progress. Population and average life span of Koreans doubled under the Japanese The Joseon Dynasty ruined Korean industry, and the Korean thinkers who advocated reforms were brutally executed. The Koreans today shout "brutal Japanese!" "sex slaves!" but the Korean ruling class (Yangban) in the 19th century was far more brutal. The final years of the Joseon Dynasty were so hellish that they would only compare with the present day North Korea. ◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　 goo.gl/16ufMt "I received my education under the Japanese, and I wasn't discriminated at all" Former South Korean Air Force Captain Choe Sam-yeon Colonies have existed since the 15th century. Modern history of mankind can be called the colonial age. We encounter former colonies wherever we go in the world. In Africa people are still in poverty long after the end of being colonized. Which former colonies have achieved economic success? South Korea and Taiwan. Both of them were former Japanese colonies. India was one of the British colonies, but the British didn't spend money on infrastructure, and the Indian economy didn't develop for a long time. It has finally started to grow, but its GDP per capita and literacy are still very low. Japan spent a lot of money on infrastructure both in South Korea and in Taiwan. This was very unique. Other colonizers squeezed natural resources from their colonies but didn't invest in them. Half of Japanese taxpayers' money was spent on colonial infrastructure so that the quality of life would be equivalent. During the Joseon period, the overwhelming majority of the Koreans could not attend schools. When the Japanese came in, they built many schools. So I was able to receive my education, and the quality of education was just as good in Korea as in Japan. The Koreans and the Taiwanese were able to attend military academy of Japan as well. Other colonizers didn't allow people from their colonies to attend military academy of the colonizers. In other words, the Japanese didn't discriminate in education either. In other colonies the discrimination was rightful. The Japanese rule in Korea and Taiwan should not have been called colonization. It was annexation, similar to what England did with Scotland. The Koreans like me who experienced Japan's annexation reminisce it, but unfortunately the younger Koreans who received anti-Japanese brainwashing in schools despise it. -------- Koreans desperately fabricate history and evacuate Japan because they cannot get money from Japan unless they become victims. Hendrik Hamel (1630-1692) also said, "Koreans are liars and cannot be trusted.

[@freddieoon3692]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZ2ToISLbsyKmac&ab_channel=Mrlemania somehow i get a feeling that i cant take you seriously as your prejudice towards the koreans are too obvious

[@by8599]

I don't know how many Nose and ear museums there are in North America, but if there were (from let's say slaves) - do you think they would still be around?

[@spittingame4241]

The only thing I can say is, both David and Andrew made some valid points.

[@DK-210]

two main reasons why formal apology will never happen: 1. Japan will lose face ; 2. Formal apology opens the Japanese government to lawsuits

[@TOOTOO-f6v]

we need reparations for 3 generations, now 4 the longer they haven't paid up.

[@adnanzahir]

exactly

[@Razear]

Not to diminish the atrocities that Imperial Japan committed, but the idea of blaming an entire current population for the crimes of past generations is extremely dangerous. This is stuff that authoritarian regimes like North Korea implement - intergenerational guilt. Virtually every country on Earth is historically guilty of sin at one point or another. To carry that burden to future generations is untenable, imo. But yes, it is important to accurately teach young people about past wrongs committed by the hands of their own. Although I can also understand why super nationalistic countries like Japan will want to brush it under the rug for branding reasons because they believe it'll reflect poorly on Japan's image on the world stage.

[@funkthat]

Faith in humanity is restored! Glad this is the majority take on this issue

[@Revenger3rdUnit]

Well if Japan doesn't want to apologize respectfully to the countries it affected then there will always be resentment. North Korea clearly still has hatred for Japan and continues to threaten to bomb it by shooting missiles over the country. There is a serious deadlocked stalemate across the Korean peninsula still. There is still serious bad blood in the region that has unfinished business. It is up to Japan to teach their population and acknowledge their mistakes to the present day.

[@funkthat]

@@Revenger3rdUnit Naw time heals all and new threats (china and north korea) have forced Japan and South Korea to move forward with cooperation. A new generation of adults through shared media have decided to let the past be. Good news for all

[@Revenger3rdUnit]

@@funkthat you must be delusional if you think South Korea and Japan are true allies lol they are only held together by America and its for show. South Korea still resents Japan for WW2 and colonization.

[@weaver1507]

You buffoon, people aren't just pissed at what Japan did during WW2 but at the modern Japanese attitude towards that time period today. To this day they still try to take down comfort women statues and honor yasukuni shrine while their museums paint themselves to be the victims of WW2. If you don't know what your talking about then don't speak.

[@gmwilliamsful]

This is an on spot commentary. Great job, Fung brothers.

[@AJ-iu6nw]

I heard stories that basically went like this. When the villagers heard that the Japanese Imperial Army was approaching, they would have the man of the household swap places with their neighbors. This was done so that when the soldiers came, they would not be forced to "perform incest" on their own daughters. Can you imagine how traumatized they were

[@avamusic8176]

@@AJ-iu6nw Freedom Betrayed” by Herbert Hoover, pp.737-738 During Annexation (1910-1945) "I first visited Korea in 1909 [1909-ed], to advise some Japanese industrialists on engineering matters. The Korean people at that time were in the most disheartening condition that I had witnessed in any part of Asia. There was little law and order. The masses were underfed, under-clothed, under-housed and under-equipped. There was no sanitation, and filth and squalor enveloped the whole countryside. The roads were hardly passable, and there were scant communication or educational facilities. Scarcely a tree broke the dismal landscape. Thieves and bandits seemed to be unrestrained. During the thirty-five years of Japanese control, the life of the Korean people was revolutionized. Beginning with the most unpromising human material, the Japanese established order, built harbors, railways, roads and communications, good public buildings, and greatly improved housing. They established sanitation and taught better methods of agriculture. They built immense fertilizer factories in North Korea which lifted the people’s food supplies to reasonable levels. They reforested the bleak hills. They established a general system of education and the development of skills. Even the dusty, drab and filthy clothing had been replaced with clean bright colors. The Koreans, compared to the Japanese, were poor at administration and business. Whether for this reason or by deliberate action, the Japanese filled all major economic and governmental positions. Thus, in1948 when they finally achieved self-government, the Koreans were little prepared for it."

[@PricefieldPunk]

Japan as a nation maybe but the citizens of Japan should feel zero guilt. Most of them werent even alive during WW2. Reminds me of Attack on Titan lol we cant hold hate for ppl who had nothing to do with the past

[@Revenger3rdUnit]

Like how Americans feel zero guilt for black slavery yet it still is problem today. There are still problems that exist from WW2 that still linger today which is more recent.

[@MrLemania]

​@@Revenger3rdUnit No investigation of crimes committed by the Korean military in the Vietnam War. Current Korean Government.

[@leomarcy3657]

After Japan was defeated in World War II, the occupation policy was enforced in the United States by GHQ, and history education and historical views were also instructed in schools. Due to these measures, most Japanese people have a pessimistic view of their history. However, since around the 2010s, changes in the information environment have led to divisions in the Japanese domestic view of history. As Japanese society gradually leans to the right, it is not difficult to find books that depict historical views based on historical revisionism. Such right-leaning people are not in the majority, but there are a certain number of them.

[@physicsforsome1290]

Difficult to find a way out of hese kinds of predicaments, Palistinian and Israelis, Chinese and Japanese etc... And needed to reread John 3:16 to make sense of them all.

[@chimakalu41]

It should be interesting

[@yari9923]

The perception of foreigners regarding Japan's history education is incorrect. Japan's history textbooks have been rewritten to be self-deprecating under the influence of the victorious nation (the United States). If you blindly accept past history, you won't know the truth. Past history is transmitted based on records and testimonies, but that information doesn't necessarily reflect the complete truth. History is often influenced by subjective interpretations and biases. Questioning things you haven't experienced is important for generating new discoveries and understanding. Having doubts is a method to challenge existing knowledge and common sense, and gain new perspectives and insights. New information and evidence can also emerge regarding historical events and experiences. Therefore, it is important to verify information while maintaining skepticism and deepening one's own thinking and judgment. However, doubting all information and experiences is not realistic or efficient. Certain information and experiences require a certain level of trustworthiness. It is important to evaluate information based on objective evidence and reliable sources, while still maintaining a sense of skepticism. Doubting experiences and history is a healthy approach that leads to knowledge and understanding improvement, but it is not necessary to be constantly skeptical. It is important to maintain a balance and have a critical mindset.

[@daboyup2nogood]

When we talk about racial injustice in America we should not forget American Indians whose land was taken from them. As much as the slavery in the South was bad enough and the subsequent racism the black Americans had to endure American Indians were slaughtered then was given a piece of land much later with an apology. It is no doubt that America was built on blood and sacrifice of so many ppl involved we all are enjoying the fruits of that tree. So what do we do? I don't know. It's all FUBAR.

[@shkim103]

They masked their feelings, but have their racist opinions to themselves

[@accordiongordon]

At 14:36 David mentions having a worker whose family is Japanese from Hawaii, sooo, Tim Shiiba-San?

[@Sons1717]

Like someone said around 10:15 in the video, we need to separate the government/military and the ordinary people living in a country. I think it's reasonable to say that both, in Germany and Japan during WW2 the governments/dictators were terrible and the military being pro-war was also terrible, and while the average citizen maybe weren't terrible people per se, they did allow the terrible government to rise and remain. A non-negligible portion of people definitely supported the government. And this is where my opinion gets (probably) controversial. I think in some sense it's easier for Germans to be apologetic about WW2 war crimes, because they successfully used the above fact to blame a lot on Hitler, and psychologically separate themselves from "the bad past". The narrative of "back then, our democracy was immature and we let Hitler happen. We're educating ourselves now so that it never happens again" totally makes sense here. On the other hand, the Showa emperor, who was pretty much in an analogous position, never got prosecuted and the royal family is still ruling Japan safe and sound. If you dig in a little bit, you immediately find that there were tons of political decision making made by the US here for preparing Japan to become a military base against communism in the coming cold war. My point is that, in some sense this was unfortunate because now it's harder for Japanese people to have the German style apologetic-yet-positive narrative, because how can you, when the seemingly No1-to-blame person never even got prosecuted? The result is the compromise made by the current government of Japan to "not talk so much about the history of WW2 and modern ages in history classes", which also nicely aligns with the other objective to hide that modern Japan is essentially a slave country of the US now. I also vaguely remember being taught in history class that "Japan is to be blamed", but felt like there weren't a lot of reasoning or discussions about it (which is common in Japan for any topic really). I still do think that the German mental set is the most healthy one people can have (I mean, how can you be *truly* apologetic when your grandparents were born after the war?), and the best way for Japan is to seek a similar path by setting a narrative that emphasizes the class-A war criminals (e.g. the prime minister back then, who were all executed) more, and stop the modern politicians from visiting the Yasukuni shrine, or maybe just separate the class-A war criminals' tombs from the rest, so that visiting the shrine doesn't mean you're honoring them.

[@21goikenban17]

The only actions by the state in WW2 aimed at killing civilians existed in the bombing of cities by the British and the Americans. This is fairly well known outside of the Allied countries. In Europe and Asia, Allied economic sanctions and sabotage of transportation and production facilities resulted in the deaths of many people. And it was Britain that turned a war between two European countries into a world war. This is not well known outside of the Allied countries. The man who was judged as a class A war criminal in the interesting trial game became the prime minister of Japan after the war and met with the world leaders without any problem.

[@MrLemania]

Bombing all over Japan - Massacre kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqfNgIJ8jN2qnrs

[@HoChoProductions]

The difference between Germany and Japan is Japan had 2 a-bombs dropped on it. So yeah, I think saying "sorry" while having already paid for their crimes is asking a bit too much.

[@GIN.356.A]

The 2 A-bombs were dropped for the tens of millions of lives that would have been lost for a conventional full scale landing assault on the Japanese mainland, not as punishment. The war crimes are still unaccounted for.

[@cjyoung4080]

2 a-bombs were deserved. Not really paying for it though when they're trying to whitewash and be the "victim" because of the bomb.

[@HoChoProductions]

​@@cjyoung4080I think any country with 2 a-bombs dropped on them would act as a victim, don't you think?

[@fyrdman2185]

@@cjyoung4080 They paid a lot more than that, the fire bombing campaigns which targeted innocent Japanese civilians which were horrific along with the 2 nuclear bombs means they already got their karma. And why are you so hung up on this are you chinese or something?

[@hsuehhs1]

⁠@@cjyoung4080But the U.S. put Japanese Americans into interment camps

[@terencekwong3033]

Every current Prime Minister still visit the shrine that celebrates these war criminals. I think that's a big part of why China and Korea won't let it go.

[@ayapan0315]

I'm not sure where this idea that the Japanese are not taught about WW2 atrocities (unlike Germans, so the common stereotype says) comes from. Does anyone here (David, Andrew, as well as people commenting) actually have any friends who grew up in Japan and received K12 education there? They absolutely do teach WW2 history including topics about comfort women, medical experiments, and so on. What the government chooses to do has no bearing on ordinary citizens- it is not the fault of regular Japanese people that certain govt officials choose to pay tributes at Yasukuni shrine, for example. That is like blaming all Chinese people for everything that the CCP does, or demanding reparations from all white people in this country for their history of enslaving black people. 'Guilty by association' mentality will keep us feeling animosity towards each other forever.

[@Drownedinblood]

This is their official narrative at the Yasukuni Shrine. preview.redd.it/vzmo59wvieh81.jpg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=987ea52f012295c5bced8af41b222f4451681df9

[@Jabbawokeez4]

They are not taught the full, true history. Only a very brief and whitewashed history.

[@MrLemania]

Professor Choe Ki-ho of Kaya University I was born in 1923. For the sake of South Korea and for Japan, I want to tell you the truth. Telling the truth could threaten my life in South Korea, but I feel it is my duty to do so. I lived in Seoul during the annexation period. I also spent some time in Tokyo. In those days, the Koreans were more proud of being Japanese than the Japanese themselves. At movie theaters in Korea, they showed the war news before the movies were played. For example, if they showed the image of Japan's victory in New Guinea, the Koreans shouted banzai and gave a round of applause. I loved movies, so I went to movie theaters in Japan as well, and the Japanese were calmer. Nowadays the Koreans who speak positively of the Japanese are criticized as "Chinilpa (pro-Japanese)" but in those days over 90% of Koreans were pro-Japanese. After the war, successive South Korean governments have brainwashed the youths with anti-Japanese education in order to incite hatred towards the Japanese. Koreans in the street of Seoul celebrating Japan's advance in China (1941) 90% of history education in South Korea is distorted. In South Korean classrooms, our teachers don't teach how corrupt the Joseon Dynasty was in the 19th century, and they make their students believe that the Koreans could have gained independence without Japan's help. By becoming part of Japan in 1910, education, healthcare, industry and infrastructure in Korea improved dramatically. The foundation of becoming a modern state was built during the annexation period. Yet we teach in our classrooms that Japan's annexation set back Korea's progress. Population and average life span of Koreans doubled under the Japanese The Joseon Dynasty ruined Korean industry, and the Korean thinkers who advocated reforms were brutally executed. The Koreans today shout "brutal Japanese!" "sex slaves!" but the Korean ruling class (Yangban) in the 19th century was far more brutal. The final years of the Joseon Dynasty were so hellish that they would only compare with the present day North Korea. ◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　◇　　 goo.gl/16ufMt "I received my education under the Japanese, and I wasn't discriminated at all" Former South Korean Air Force Captain Choe Sam-yeon Colonies have existed since the 15th century. Modern history of mankind can be called the colonial age. We encounter former colonies wherever we go in the world. In Africa people are still in poverty long after the end of being colonized. Which former colonies have achieved economic success? South Korea and Taiwan. Both of them were former Japanese colonies. India was one of the British colonies, but the British didn't spend money on infrastructure, and the Indian economy didn't develop for a long time. It has finally started to grow, but its GDP per capita and literacy are still very low. Japan spent a lot of money on infrastructure both in South Korea and in Taiwan. This was very unique. Other colonizers squeezed natural resources from their colonies but didn't invest in them. Half of Japanese taxpayers' money was spent on colonial infrastructure so that the quality of life would be equivalent. During the Joseon period, the overwhelming majority of the Koreans could not attend schools. When the Japanese came in, they built many schools. So I was able to receive my education, and the quality of education was just as good in Korea as in Japan. The Koreans and the Taiwanese were able to attend military academy of Japan as well. Other colonizers didn't allow people from their colonies to attend military academy of the colonizers. In other words, the Japanese didn't discriminate in education either. In other colonies the discrimination was rightful. The Japanese rule in Korea and Taiwan should not have been called colonization. It was annexation, similar to what England did with Scotland. The Koreans like me who experienced Japan's annexation reminisce it, but unfortunately the younger Koreans who received anti-Japanese brainwashing in schools despise it.

[@PrimalRage-om8uz]

well, every now and then. Japanese students wear Nazi uniforms for Halloween parties. 😂

[@MrLemania]

@@PrimalRage-om8uz ”History of Korea for 100 Years”　Search Photo taken from October 19, 1938 edition of Asahi-graph magagine. The caption says the Army of Korean Youth Federation proudly marches with Rising-Sun flags before Japanese Governor-General of Korea Hirota. Many Korean young people craved to become Japanese Army men during the wartime. One typical example was Park Chung-hee, father of the current president of South Korea.

[@tonykeo7009]

Japan should acknowledge the country past war crimes instead of tip toeing around it whenever the subject is brought up.

[@blaizegottman4139]

So you hate Japan

[@pandabear153]

​@@blaizegottman4139 No! Should acknowledge what happened! Same with communist government who murdered millions!!!

[@tonykeo7009]

@@blaizegottman4139 So you have poor reading comprehension.

[@yardhostler3728]

Yup, Japanese government is a coward. Just like most of their people.

[@yardhostler3728]

​@@tonykeo7009 blaize is Japanese 😆

[@heytony]

The title is hard for me to pass~

[@RKKY-mf7fe]

Violence against others in low social standings is normal in Japanese culture. Vietnamese technical workers are routinely beaten to death in Japan, there are reports on this topic done by legit news outlets. Japanese brutality will never change. They are cultured but utterly barbaric and unapologetic.

[@blaizegottman4139]

You're racist

[@ericsohn5084]

Aren't japanese bosses too old to beat up young lads

[@migukin7492]

Yum Japanese real cultures bullying the weak avoid responsibility.

[@Sassarai916]

Here in America it's reversed.

[@Drownedinblood]

I've had to learn the hard way that japanese are very heirarchal, literally embedded in the language and if you are lower its considered right for the person above you to "bully" and you shouldn't say anything about it. Just take it and go.

[@rich22HI]

I’m not for Japan neither am I against Japan, but let’s just say Japan does sincerely apologize and sincerely repent. Will China, Korea and other nations affected stop pointing fingers then? In the West, Germany sincerely apologized and nobody really brings it up anymore, and Germany did way worse than Japan. With no intention of sounding insensitive, I think holding grudges is bad but if it becomes counterproductive it’s worse.

[@JC.72]

The problem is not only just about saying sorry. Let's say a criminal never shows any signs of apologizing or at a minimum recognizes that was a mistake or a bad act. What do u think others would feel toward that person. To recognize a mistake or foul play is just a way to help both parties to move forward or else how would we know u will not do it again.... Not recognizing that it was a mistake means u don't think u were wrong and u may do it again if an opportunity arises. God knows what a criminal would think.... Maybe deep down inside they are thinking they should've kill and burn down more cities so they won't fail next time.

[@dtna]

I agree. Communist China, Japan and North Korea all did some very, very bad things.

[@ftu2021]

Are you sure that Germans were worse than japan? It was the nazis that called out the brutality of the imperial japan

[@GlobalMan-nr3hq]

@@JC.72 No the Japanese in WW2 killed directly or indirectly millions of people - most of the deaths were in China, South East Asia and Philippines. Their brutality to innocent civilians and to prisoners of war are unprecedented and well documented. And it was not just in Nanjing but every there they invaded. The individual Japanese soldier at that time was mostly just normal people BUT the overriding Samurai Bushido culture of Imperial Japan that was ingrained into the Japanese warriors from years of brutal civil e.g. collecting heads as trophies, wiping out the enemies civilian population, looking down and brutalizing prisoners of was because they are deemed as "cowards" etc - these were ingrained into the Japanese pysche then. Today's Japanese generation have nothing to do with that but they could have been more educated what their grandfathers actually did in WW2 and come to terms with it and truly heal rather that avoiding the taboo subject.

[@Revenger3rdUnit]

You do realize the Americans thought the Japanese were so brutal they justified the nuclear bombing of both Nagasaki and Hiroshima as necessary? To justify mass genocide on innocent civilians twice is pretty wicked. Using evil to justify even greater evil means nobody wins. Also the German nazis even called out the Japanese as being too harsh and genocidal - you can look it up, they criticized them even. Also Germany had to face the Nuremberg trials to own up to their atrocities. No such thing was done to Japan or even Italy. Every one of them committed some form of war crimes. To say Germany did worse than Japan is debateable and actually offensive to those who suffered during WW2 and beyond.

[@GIN.356.A]

What americans need to keep in mind is that after WW2, the US is complicit in sweeping under the rug many Japanese war crimes and sparing major war criminals in exchange for their cooperation as a bulwark to contain the soviet union and China in east asia as an american ally. The prime example is the former Japanese PM, Shinzo Abe's grandfather, Nobusuke Kishi, who was also once the PM of Japan. Kishi was a class A war criminal for his countless atrocities as the shadow boss "Economic Manager" of Manchuria. He oversaw the operations of Unit 731 (look it up) and was arguably much worse in his crimes than Tojo. But he was not only spared, but went on to become the Prime Minister of Japan. This is not common knowledge in the west, let alone Japan. The sad reality is Japanese society is still cemented on the foundations of imperialism. The families of these spared war criminals continue to actively participate in Japanese politics and wield significant power. The younger generation is oblivious to those facts by design. This needs to change.

[@bigbigdog]

Not only the Japanese war criminals but American also took in a Nazi war criminals as well. Look up the former heads of Nato and Nasa.

[@TJCMN]

Not really. The Japs tried to build an empire and be a great power. They rightfully got the chance to be the first country to be nuked in a war for their misguided ambitions. It's worth reading into the history but nowadays to get bogged down in it is not productive. As an American of Korean descent, relitigating the ills of the past ad infinitum is not going to help but might satisfy some who are self-righteous and think being a victim is to be celebrated. At some point we have to accept what happened and move on. Building a better future is what matters. Btw: I don't know who you talk to, but I knew about what you just mentioned and so do plenty of others who care enough to learn. Obsessing over injustice instead of learning from it and finding peace is a loser-mentality. America did the same for former German scientists from the Nazi regime to boost its scientific initiatives. So did the USSR. It's called politics. Not saying it was a moral or altruistic decision, but it was strategic and ultimately led to the world we all inhabit right now. Get over it.

[@silveriver9]

Yes, that is correct.

[@Revenger3rdUnit]

That is why America played a huge part in keeping Asia divided by giving the nazis and Japanese war criminals a free pass for their technology and science data. America helped those war criminals not having to face any responsibility for their actions.

[@TJCMN]

@@Revenger3rdUnit Asia was divided in more ways than just the political sphere (which you focus on from a clearly anti-American stance) long before America even existed. The USSR did the same thing and the fact that you can't see past your own narrow-minded perspective to the tangible benefits scientifically that were yielded from what can admittedly be deemed a controversial decision is proof-positive that some people can't see the bigger picture, especially if it means having to transcend their own personal identity, hangups, etc...

[@IriaChannel]

Japan has made multiple apologies to Korea and China for its war crimes, which included monetary compensation. There's a cycle: Korea (in particular) demands Japan apologize> Japan apologizes and sends millions of dollars> Korea relaxes for a few years> Korea demands Japan apologize> repeat for 60 years. Japan has had settlements with Korea and has paid reparations multiple times.. Korea asks for a specific amount and claims they'll drop the past afterwards, then they just keep demanding more.

[@larrylouraylo2711]

Japan has apologized for colonization and signed treaties to make amends multiple times in the past. But it seems that no number of apologies nor agreements will ever be enough.

[@amandalove3368]

First step would be for the Japanese government to acknowledge it as a way of showing remorse for past atrocities that were committed.

[@jcreed09]

Japan had the Atomic Bomb dropped on them- twice. Because of that, I think that's why Japan gets "pass" Germany doesn't.

[@pegassusbartholomew]

I worked with Japanese in 2013-2014 and they were not a big fans of Chinese. I would stay in a hotel in Tokyo and my Japanese partner would say things like - that used to be a good hotel but not anymore since there's too many Chinese staying in there. Which was wild to me.

[@jsurfin1]

There is a reason why your Japanese partner would say such things. Chinese tour groups wherever they go would speak loudly, display bad manners such as spitting (not all but some do especially the older gen), and these are totally opposite of how Japanese would act in the public space.

[@pegassusbartholomew]

@@jsurfin1 problematic statement

[@jsurfin1]

@@pegassusbartholomew I am of Chinese descent and married to a Japanese by the way so I see things from both perspectives.

[@Revenger3rdUnit]

@@jsurfin1 Those are mainly Chinese tourists from rural areas. They are more ignorant and uncivilized but to say all Chinese are bad or rude is racist. Many Chinese from urban areas know how to better behave. It is still a problem inside China as well. It is the growing pain of transitioning from a rural to urban setting as China grows economically. Also Americans/ Australians and British all have bad reputations for their tourists as well but not all of them are bad.

[@Revenger3rdUnit]

So 1 year working in Japan means you can speak for all of them. You are ignorant AF

[@huajiluhai]

The solution honestly is so clear. if Japan is genuinely sorry and do want to apologise, then just honour the history, education the children, hold war criminals accountable and remove the disgusting war criminals from the shrine. Like it’s ridiculous how ppl kept saying how we don’t know what to do or how to move forward, cuz a lot of Asian countries have made their demand very clear for many years. You are only confused cuz they didn’t teach you shit about history or the relevant current affair.

[@mautre]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 👏👏👏

[@yardhostler3728]

It ain't even listed in Japanese History books, they a coward for that one. Its alright though karma never forgive or forget, that tsunami happened in Japan over a decade ago is just the beginning. Mother nature is coming for you.

[@ruke2577]

お前さ、日本の歴史の教科書読んだことないくせに知ったかぶりしてんじゃねえよ。

[@ラミレスビーチの誓い]

Korean: I congratulate Japan on the 　 　　　damage caused by the tsunami. your opinion is the same as theirs🤔

[@miko8033]

Indonesia and Chile were also judged.🤔

[@RadianRPGnetwork]

Search up Japanese Hellboats , that had my blood boiling

[@scottp.1884]

Unit 731 in Harbin

[@MrLemania]

The original story of Unit 731 is a novel. It is "The Devil's Boredom・悪魔の飽食" by Japanese author Seiichi Morimura. It was serialized in the official newspaper of the Japanese Communist Party.

[@scottp.1884]

@@MrLemania so your saying Shirō Ishii is a fictional character? Interesting

[@MrLemania]

@@scottp.1884 Fusion of real people and creativity. Do you ignore the facts published in the JCP newspaper? I understand where your ideology is coming from.

[@MrLemania]

@@scottp.1884 It is open seclet that the Global Alliance (*1), a San Francisco-based anti-Japan Chinese organization, is behind the Korean Council (*2), which promotes anti-Japan smear campaign in the United States. (*1) “Global Alliance For Preserving The History of WWII” （世界抗日戦争史実維護連合会） (*2) “Korean Council for the Women Drafted for Military Sexual Slavery by Japan” (挺対協 *Chong Dae Hyup* ） ---------- Chong Dae Hyup (정대협 挺対協) opposed Asian Women's Fund claiming it wasn't the legal apology and compensation. But considering all individual claims were settled in the 1965 Japan-South Korea Treaty, Asian Women's Fund was the best the Japanese government could do. Chong Dae Hyup has had a very close relationship with North Korea. Its members including the leader's husband were arrested as North Korean spies. The real reason Chong Dae Hyup opposed Asian Women's Fund was because it wanted to use the comfort women issue to block reconciliation between Japan and South Korea. Chong Dae Hyup has hosted Wednesday protests every week in front of the Japanese Embassy in Seoul since 1992. The relationship between the anti-Japanese activist group *Chong Dae Hyup* (Korean Council for the Women Drafted for Military Sexual Slavery) and North Korea: Yun Mi-Hyang (Chairwoman) was investigated for working with North Korea in 2013. Kim Sam-Suk (Yun Mi-Hyang's husband) was arrested as a North Korean spy in 1993. Kim Eun-Ju (Kim Sam-Suk's sister) was arrested as a North Korean spy in 1993. Choi Gi-Yong (Kim Eun-Ju's husband) was arrested as a North Korean spy in 2006. Lee Seok-Gi (member) was arrested as a North Korean spy in 2013.