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@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist2 ай бұрын
One of your best videos btw. Love these semi-historic deep dives.
@purwantiallan50892 ай бұрын
What about deep dives from 1993 Tyrell F1 car?
@Zephirot0802 ай бұрын
This sounds a lot like engine mapping
@dennydee10042 ай бұрын
You're only making this video to hide Redbull’s ongoing controversy. Yes, RedBull were caught cheating, why don't you talk about that?
@stormmeansnowork2 ай бұрын
I hope Ground News don't just count news available on a topic on the media, because all it takes is for some rich Asian countries with strict media control and lots of state-run media to bias the reporting statistics
@Jonathan_Doe_2 ай бұрын
Ferrari pulsing the fuel pump so the flow was lower when the FIA fuel monitoring device was measuring, and higher when it wasn’t, is still the most genius cheat I’ve heard.
@Talasas2 ай бұрын
Ooh more info pls
@NothingXemnas2 ай бұрын
Similar to VW's Dieselgate. Having the ECU detect when it was observed and turn on economy mode to pass emission tests was CRAZY!
@jacekatalakis83162 ай бұрын
Toyota's 1995 WRC cheat is absolutely up there. It's not F1 but to get called the most ingenious cheat Max Mosely ever ran across is high priase
@deeacosta27342 ай бұрын
Binotto is a big time cheater. #sbinalla
@dshaprin2 ай бұрын
@Talasas The fuel sensors measure the fuel flow several times per second. They syncronized the fuel system to push more fuel while the sensor is not measuring.
@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist2 ай бұрын
That air pressure workaround is ingenious in a Bond villain sense
@fyrdraca772 ай бұрын
How is it any different than any of the other loopholes engineers come up with to circumvent regulations...e.g. the sliding skirts, water cooled brakes, the double diffuser etc?
@stormmeansnowork2 ай бұрын
So, am I correct that (A) the air pressure thing is legal for the 1994 rules and (B) it hasn't been disclosed till this video? I am trying to ascertain if I have understand correctly that people accused the B194 Benetton to be a cheat car because it used TCS (illegal) when it is simply a legal way of working around the rules that the team didn't want to disclose and that no body managed to interview someone from inside the team to talk about it till now, and the team was trying to keep their team secret and chose not to do so back then, and then there was no point doing so any more beyond that point. Then of course there are also the fuel pipe thing (explained in the video to be something they rather plead guilty than disclosing their secret) and the option 13 (which they didn't admit doing till now).
@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist2 ай бұрын
@@stormmeansnowork Is the full stop button knackered on your keyboard?
@epultimast2 ай бұрын
@@stormmeansnowork yes, as stated in the video, it wasn’t actively disclosed by Benetton (tho eventually discovered by the other teams) - even to the FIA - because Benetton was afraid, that even someone from the regulators might leak some information to the other teams. The other teams figured it out eventually on their own but it would have taken them less time to do so, had they had the actual explanation.
@stormmeansnowork2 ай бұрын
@@epultimast So FIA and the rival teams (if not Schumacher himself) eventually knew but no one bothered to explain it to the fans that the title won by Schumacher is not as suspicious as many thought? I mean the option 13 thing is still suspicious and we can only take Benetton's words for it, but the rest are totally legit if i understand everything correctly. I guess this is why this video was made because of the many other videos saying / concluding that Benetton cheated.
@greenlantern79592 ай бұрын
“There is no spirit of the technical regulations” is the best line of the interview, and the most honest about how F1 still works to this day.
@Xandergre2 ай бұрын
i fully agree, the delusion people have that nobody is cheating or having workarounds to the rules is crazyy.
@damiankimmins38802 ай бұрын
I heard that mentioned of business contracts and thought perhaps it might have been more comprehensive then.
@Nkkdxn45j2 ай бұрын
Yes, and it's a disgrace really. What happened to 'sporting ethics'?
@zeroch1ll1502 ай бұрын
@@Xandergre It can't be called cheating if it's not in against the rules...
@zeroch1ll1502 ай бұрын
@@Nkkdxn45jF1 isn't a GENTLEMANS sport. If you gain an advantage and it's not against the rules you use it.
@timonsteup28772 ай бұрын
18:36 No, they didn't. Williams won the Contructor's, not Benetton.
@purwantiallan50892 ай бұрын
Williams won the Constructors title by 13 points over Benetton.
@tonblom12 ай бұрын
@@purwantiallan5089 Yes the teammates couldn't drive that benetton without traction control.
@DarthLordRaven2 ай бұрын
only because schumachers bans of 4 races i believe?
@Ahito19842 ай бұрын
The fact FIA never wanted to admit was that the 94' cars were dangerous to drive : Lehto, Alesi, Barrichello, Ratzenberger, Senna, Wendlinger, Montermini were the casualties but the FIA could never admit their mistake by removing electronics so fast. Suspicions on Benetton were convenient smokescreen...
@LeonardoSatiro6662 ай бұрын
@@tonblom1 When Schumacher was suspended, did Benetton deactivate its traction control for the driver who replaced him? Lehto didn't even manage to score any points, and Verstappen could only manage 5th place. It seems to me to be very stupid to think that Benetton would have traction control, but only use it on Schumacher's car, thus sacrificing a constructors' title and even putting Schumacher's championship at risk, since Lehto and Verstappen were letting Damon Hill win.
@nicolashuffman43122 ай бұрын
If anyone hasn't read Adrian Newey's book, it talks in depth about this era of F1 history. Well worth the read!
@willdarling12 ай бұрын
My dad has bought that for me for two christmases in a row. Still haven't read actually, cheers for the prompt, Newey is a legend.
@user-th6oi8pg4n2 ай бұрын
Newey in his book basically taking a dump on Schumacher. No respect at all
@Deano_772 ай бұрын
Brilliant book.
@keisuketakahasi45842 ай бұрын
whats it called?
@philiptownsend40262 ай бұрын
@@keisuketakahasi4584 I think it was titled "How to build a car"
@willemtoet_yt2 ай бұрын
Great video Scott, not keen on the title but everything in the video is nicely put together. Glad you found some wonderful footage to illustrate the discussion. We did not limit rpm, we limited the rate of acceleration of the engine ("to protect it")...
@y_fam_goeglyd2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your input in this video! You are absolutely fascinating and I could listen to you for ages :) Ever thought about doing a full scale documentary on this era's story? If you do, I'd _love_ to watch it! It would definitely take me back as I've been watching F1 over 50 years (I started young lol), and I'm still a Damon fangirl 😉😄 Thanks again for giving us this great info. Your time is much appreciated!
@ollowayne78182 ай бұрын
have massiv respect for the clever thinking.
@jamesvdm2 ай бұрын
The title is awful click bait, but the video is top notch.
@gold33329 күн бұрын
@willemtoet_yt: The truth is in this YT video at 59 minutes: “Williams Heritage Podcast, in association with Mercedes Benz” hear for yourself how Benetton cheated. Also very convenient to not mention the team manager was the biggest cheat in the history of F1 (Briatore).
@willemtoet_yt25 күн бұрын
@@gold333 Great that there are knowledgeable people out there paying attention. Had not seen and enjoyed the video. This is exactly why we did not explain how we got close to having a system that worked a bit like traction control without breaking the letter of the law. We knew that everyone would believe we had illegal traction control, but we could not explain how we did it or everyone else would do the same (and the rule makers would modify the rules to ban it). We had worked out an acceleration limiter that worked via spark cut but did not use what gear we ere in or what speed the car was doing (no wheel speed, no air speed, no gear position). It used air pressure changes inside the airbox to change engine acceleration. It therefore needed a lot of setting up and testing to compare it to real traction control. That is what Senna heard in Brazil and what the Williams people saw in testing (where you can test whatever you like including things you cannot race - just as all teams do today in FP1. So no surprise to me that the world thought we were cheating. The FiA even employed a Benetton electronics and software guru to understand it. Other teams learned about it before the FiA did and slowly all teams copied the concept. In parallel Benetton worked with a different engine supplier that allowed for softer means of controlling acceleration that one could not hear so clearly. A good traction control system does not leave dot dash dot marks on the road - it spins the rear wheels at exactly the correct percentage above car speed to maximise grip (which is tyre dependant and at about 4% for a formula 1 tyre). I know we pushed the boundaries but I don't think we crossed the line with that system.
@andrealves22102 ай бұрын
"Yep... we have the system but don't use it."
@purwantiallan50892 ай бұрын
The systems seem to be very interesting on B194 Benetton.
@fallenshallrise2 ай бұрын
Cool to hear this guys perspective but some of his statements are hard to believe. He knows every technical detail of the traction control system but knows absolutely nothing about option 13 (other than he is sure they didn't use it) because "only the guys on Friday used it" like there was a totally separate Benetton team that only showed up for the practice session and then all went home? Then they removed the filter from the fuel filler hose just for the LOLs and apparently not because it increased the flow at all and certainly the increased flow didn't cause the massive fuel spill that was a bit of rubber... 😵💫
@ventisette.2 ай бұрын
@@fallenshallriseall of the top teams had dedicated, separate test teams but they never actually travelled to grand prix meetings. As for “option 13”, I don’t know how the ECU software was programmed, but having done some basic programming myself their excuse is plausible. They were not the only team to have the fuel filter removed and were given official permission by the equipment manufacturer to do it. FIA later mandated a flap to cover the refuelling port so dirt could not get into it and prevent the hose from locking on.
@optyfen52762 ай бұрын
@@fallenshallrise Maybe you should do a bit more research into what happend with the refuelling before yapping.
@Nkkdxn45j2 ай бұрын
Without wishing to justify them, it is just possible the reason for (illegal) launch control was to have a baseline against which legal approaches could be compared.
@giacomobongrazio2 ай бұрын
Benetton didn't win the Contructor's Championship in 1994, Williams did. They won it in 1995.
@antoniocarlossousa82072 ай бұрын
But Schumacher won cheating! Finally revealed!
@MPRO_-kh2qnАй бұрын
jos was to slow :)
@reetspetit2 ай бұрын
As as a engineering friend in touring cars said: "It's all about exploiting the grey areas in the rules"
@GlenDevan19702 ай бұрын
3:55 minor nitpicking: continuously not constantly variable transmission 🙂 Edit because of typo.
@billyruffian14262 ай бұрын
I actually remember that crash as Berger came out of the pits. It's only today that I found I why.
@mojoblues662 ай бұрын
And although I love James Hunt's commentary in general, he was totally wrong when he blamed Gerhard in this case.
@markdance5742 ай бұрын
Senna was not just an epic driver , he had a huge understanding of all things related to the car itself - it’s such a shame he wasn’t able to make his own f1 team because I feel he would have been as good as Jack Branham and Bruce McLaren
@RyanPerrella2 ай бұрын
What a nice thought, a Senna team with Ayrton directing traffic. Probably not what he would have done but a nice thought, to think we all lost such an incredible man at just 34 years old, the world lost when Ayrton died.
@@albeback5234 Did we really need to drag Trump into this? Yeesh.
@alistersutherland36882 ай бұрын
Don't forget Colin Chapman. Lotus was one of the most innovative teams in F1 & racing history. Jim Clark winning the Indy 500 is his little Lotus Cooper rear engine against those gigantic American roadsters is one for the ages, and changed racing forever. Yes, Chapman was a bit of a shyster, but he was never-the-less a great innovator and a dynamic personality.
@lorpal12 ай бұрын
@@albeback5234need to move senna right two spots.. and bottas way right
@amirnaim36752 ай бұрын
I wonder how fast F1 cars can be with traction control and active suspension with current technologies
@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist2 ай бұрын
There's a reason a lot of track records are still from the 2004 season. And it's not the V10s.
@purwantiallan50892 ай бұрын
If they applied TCS and Active Suspension on 2026 F1 cars, it could get very interesting. As long as it is not DRS that is.
@dalyxia2 ай бұрын
Probably fast enough where the limit is the human body, specifically staying conscious in corners due to g forces pushing blood out of your brain
@MuhammadNiz0072 ай бұрын
In what world do you live in. No track hold pole lap or the best or fastest ever lap or 2004 car, the only lap is Montoya record in Monza but that was with the world fastest engine but crucially was in race, the lap difference is still 2.2s slower than W11.@@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist
@SimonBauer72 ай бұрын
i think the human body becomes the limit, we already have fighter jets that could kill a person.
@JohnCharb872 ай бұрын
Those 93 Williams cars were sponsored by Sega. So I guess Blast Processing was to complicated so the FIA banned them.
@purwantiallan50892 ай бұрын
Did 1994 F1 cars also sponsored by SEGA and 2024 F1 cars are sponsored by "Nijigasaki High School Idol Club"?
@jvydenlovescruises2 ай бұрын
@@purwantiallan5089??
@dkins82 ай бұрын
Williams does what Nintendon’t
@keisuketakahasi45842 ай бұрын
really cool with sonic and fits so well
@rkk5782 ай бұрын
The most extraordinary thing in this video that Willem Toet still fits into something he last wore in 1994. I would be very interested in that secret.
@TranceFur2 ай бұрын
Exercise and eat only enough to maintain your ideal weight.
@Bad_fish_too2 ай бұрын
Funny thing is he’s commented like four comments above you. You could just ask him.
@blaze11482 ай бұрын
I can still fit into the same clothes I wore in 1988....it's no secret....it's common sense [obviously not so common].
@memolano1002 ай бұрын
Everyone telling you that is easy, just eat that or exercise. In reality it’s has a lot to do with your genes.
@jarekaugustyn459822 күн бұрын
he removed fat factor😂
@SiVlog19892 ай бұрын
The thing about motorsport, trying to get an edge on the competition, is finding and exploiting loopholes in the wording of regulations. With the wording of the regulations that intended to ban "driver aids", it looks like the Governing Body missed the part that talked about using the software being on the car. In other words, Benetton seemed to interpret it as "as long as you don't use them, there's nothing to say that we can't have the software in the car," There's another theory about these "noises" Senna heard from the Benettons. The exhausts of the B194 were located in the immediate wake of the diffuser, achieving similar effects to that which Red Bull would copy in 2010, the Exhaust Blown Diffuser. Such exhausts tend to result in the engine sounding rougher than it would otherwise be on acceleration and braking
@benjimc12 ай бұрын
Blown diffusers had a map and it was only on over-run. On throttle there was no cutting. Also they used the exhausts in a different way in the 90s compared to the 2010s blown diffusers.
@wolfsruhm2 ай бұрын
everyone still had left over code within thei ecu of their cars, it was due t the feact that the regulation changes were announce so late in 93 that there was not enough time to specifically build the cars around that (the Williams basically was the 93 with all the aids deactivated). Also as Scott explained, due to how programs work, you cannot just delete something from the code and expect the rest to work flawlessly, many time over do differnet parts of code interact with each other,and changes to one part will potentially negatively affect a completely different, and seemingly unrelated part.
@abnfalcon39012 ай бұрын
Looks like Flavio and Controversy go hand in hand when it comes to F1 😂
@alexk.80812 ай бұрын
Same thought. Also in combination with Michael, who has been without a doubt one of the greatest, but he also was one of the greatest known cheaters.
@kristoffer30002 ай бұрын
Just like Schumacher and cheating go hand in hand.
@marguskiis77112 ай бұрын
@@alexk.8081 more like Brawn was into tricks a lot.
@TazioC2 ай бұрын
Not just F1. Briatore was a convicted gambler who managed to steal money and avoided jail by fleeing to Virgin Islands for 10 years.
@dewayneblue18342 ай бұрын
@@kristoffer3000 Not a cheater as much as he was aggressive and ruthless. A lot like Fangio and Senna in that sense.
@solsol16242 ай бұрын
Being a software guy I remember coming up with my own TC cheat back then. The TC code would have a map of the engine torque, car mass, aero drag vs speed. For each gear ratio it would be able to determine the max acceleration via a lookup table. It would know the actual acceleration by how fast the revs increased. If it exceed the lookup there is wheel spin. I didn't know the selected gear was banned, but the solution described could be used.
@WndSks2 ай бұрын
The Benetton in 94-95 was such a beautiful car
@stormmeansnowork2 ай бұрын
Imagine how a Benetton would look like if they are still competing nowadays
@raultempesti2 ай бұрын
The 2005 Mclaren MP4/20 2005 is beatiful too.
@gold33329 күн бұрын
Most people then called the B193 and B194 the ugly duckling because of the his nose (and early yellow color)
@TheRCScotsman2 ай бұрын
Genius engineers exploiting loopholes are as much part of F1 as hotshot drivers, champagne, crowds and... constant moaning!
@LilSebastian_2 ай бұрын
That's not what happened.... when they/FIA reviewed the software after begging for it guess what they found? All you had to do was push a few buttons in a sequence and it enabled traction control and launch control. It was so easy a child could enable it. There was no loophole exploited, they were F'ing cheating.
@sturdzenaru2 ай бұрын
Hell yeah!!
@user-tn1vc1xz5d2 ай бұрын
In the film "Senna", you see a Williams engineer using a Psion Organiser plugged into the car. My Dad used one to store phone numbers, and other information filing 😂😂
@jdb47games2 ай бұрын
I used a succession of them from 1987 until 2021!
@jacekatalakis83162 ай бұрын
Willem has such an easy to listen to voice. I wish I had someone like him tutoring me, I'd actually pay attention since he makes complex stuff interesting and fascinating to pick apart and learn, and easy to follow along with. Plus he's a joy to listen to as said
@esterhudson51042 ай бұрын
Bit of Winnie the Poohs voice.😁
@y_fam_goeglyd2 ай бұрын
He's made a comment that nobody seems to have noticed! I've asked him to make a proper documentary about this time.
@andyjv2 ай бұрын
3 youtubes ads + 2 ads by you. That's a lot mate... And in 94 williams are the constructors champions.
@staalejonko2 ай бұрын
Revanced, no ads anymore
@andyjv2 ай бұрын
@@staalejonko thank you ✌️
@gold33329 күн бұрын
Just downvote
@jbrown74032 ай бұрын
“12 floppy drives” ….. I didn’t expect that. No wonder they were buggy and twitchy. 🏁😉
@neodonkeyАй бұрын
I don't imagine the floppy drives were actually on the car while it was racing, probably just a lot of individual computers that each needed flashing from their respective floppy.
@sebulbathx2 ай бұрын
This is one aspect I really like with F1. And as long as it's a grey area or loophole and not blatantly cheating I am all for this. And for this reason I don't call RB cheaters like many seem to do at the moment.
@512Berlinetta2 ай бұрын
I am not sure if I'd call it a "cheat". They found loopholes and workarounds. More power to them.
@burkezillar2 ай бұрын
It's amazing how many people who worked at Benetton at the time, who have been asked the Option 13 question, have no idea about it.
@Adrian_Nel2 ай бұрын
"Flavio". Not a name that I associate with sportsmanship.
@222tg_2 ай бұрын
Fan or not of these moves, you can't not appreciate how genius these engineers are. It's fascinating. And without these cheeky moves and F1 in general, our cars today wouldn't be as safe and advanced as they are. F1 is so much more than just a sport and i love it.
@mikespearwood39142 ай бұрын
It's amazing how cheating and exploiting loopholes in F1 drives innovation in car engineering!
@XRISTOS3CFXX2 ай бұрын
The best cheating is to rule the rules ! Please make a video which team (Merc!!!!) and which head mechanic (A.C !!!!! )was in 2008-9 , behind rules of 2014 PU ! Also 2013 illegal tyres test in Silverstone , illegal rear wind , rule the rules , (DAS), front wings 2019 etc, etc !!!!
@Paul-ik8fm2 ай бұрын
It's a shame that the CVT was banned from F1 because if it was allowed I am sure it would have been developed into something worthwhile not the garbage we get now
@j_e_hill2 ай бұрын
Modern CVTS are very reliable . GM and Honda among others make good ones. The physics in racing were very much the same issues that road car CVTs struggle with, and without the need for 100k mile durability, I’m not sure much relevant could have been gained in F1 as it relates to road cars, but perhaps.
@carldewet64282 ай бұрын
Actually a Very Informative Video - with Fascinating Behind the Scenes Visuals.
@stoopsyo2 ай бұрын
I literally have a huge part of the rear wing of this car from the Adelaide GP in 94 when he crashed in quallies
@JLC-p6r2 ай бұрын
Briatore cheating, you don't say.
@lars-christianhilleke2503Ай бұрын
No, he's not. He's bending the rules. That's actually what we all expect and want the teams to do. Or did Brawn cheat in 09?
@Lonzz_142 ай бұрын
FIA was like: -Yeah, we see this traction control option here in the display but surely guys you don’t use it during the race right? -Yeah man, sure we just have it there for no reason -Oh I believe you, have a nice day lol lol lol.
@Thiago100Zwetsch2 ай бұрын
"I mean, we might use it during the race, can you FiA prove it?" "Errrr... you see, a crying brazilian boy reached out to us" "CAN YOU PROVE IT? "No, we can not" "So, we don´t use it"
@limpetarch98k2 ай бұрын
@@Thiago100Zwetsch" Hey uhm, why do you have that piece of code that explicitely says Launch Control? " " Leftover stuff and unfortunately, we cant delete coconut.jpeg because otherwise the car wont work. " " But you know its illegal, right? " " Yeah, thats why we dont use it. " " Sure man, have a good one. "
@fam.hunger52442 ай бұрын
Are you aware that in 1994 several teams had such things in their software? McLaren and Ferrari for example? That was simply because at that time one engineer was responsible for developing and writing the software and the teams didn't have the capacity to develop and write completely new software within a few weeks (because it wasn't much longer from the ban to the start of the season). So many teams simply "deactivated" the relevant parts of the software. A little research or better memory (because both Ferrari and McLaren were in the press at the beginning of 1994, even if this was quickly swept under the carpet) would be desirable for some people...
@schumiisking2 ай бұрын
i like how you didn't watch or take in anything from the video, to leave your garbage comment which isn't actually what happened at all, and it wasn't even a traction control system. lol lol lol.
@Lonzz_142 ай бұрын
@@schumiisking What happened: Benetton had an option in the car called Launch Control, and when the fia saw it they didn’t do shit about it. Don’t worry, they won’t take any championships from Schumacher. They already had enough after the shitshow in 97
@D.H.19872 ай бұрын
2:28 the drivers there where so insanely lucky there omg
@lars-christianhilleke2503Ай бұрын
If they had HALO, everybody would say HALO saved his life! :D
@ChrystianZiesemer-ev5uy2 ай бұрын
I remember in the first race in Brazil, at last 1/3 of the race, Senna was catching Schumacher before he spun off. From 7 s to around 5s in two laps. Makes sense based on the comment made that the Benetton legal traction control looses effectiveness with older tires.
@sebastianconcha93622 ай бұрын
Without those sensors, it was impossible to recolect enough info for the software to create a specification for old tires, maybe in 1993 it would be possible
@eedoamitay33412 ай бұрын
it's like "boost by gear" except for RPM limits, but also the rest is really clever stuff. I love this kind of problem solving.
@nexus4382 ай бұрын
Can't believe they're letting Flavio come back to F1. The guy is shady AF.
@srxt67582 ай бұрын
Oh please F1 is nothing but a boreshow without guys like him
@trialsted2 ай бұрын
But one of the greatest team principals. As the engineer said, innovation in Motorsport is all about pushing the regulations and finding ways to exploit them.
@BladeRunner1138Ай бұрын
@@srxt6758 Singapore 2008 was not fun for the Brazilians.
@timtranslates2 ай бұрын
If all F1 drivers were in the same car... it would be very cramped!
@tonywright82942 ай бұрын
Good but very silly !
@macac01122 ай бұрын
In other words, it was not a traction control, it was a rev limiter perfectly legal and genius.
@kangarht2 ай бұрын
in other words it was traction control.
@ventisette.2 ай бұрын
@@kangarht no. Traction control actively cuts ignition in a selected number of cylinders, a rev limiter does it to the whole engine once it reaches the set limiter. Ferrari used the exact same system in 1994.
@kangarht2 ай бұрын
@@ventisette. its cleary explained in the video above that it was used to do traction control. have you seen it ?
@flyingphoenix1132 ай бұрын
@@kangarht, no. You still don't understand that "traction control" is a technical term that denotes an active system. Use a rev limiter to *limit* power (and thus aid traction) is not traction control. It is a rev limiter. It's ingenious precisely because it ISN'T traction control.
@kangarhtАй бұрын
@@flyingphoenix113 I did perfectly understood the video: they explain how they made traction control cricumventing the ruels. VERY IMPORTANT: they did not control the REV, they did control the acceleration, the benneton guy interviewed in the video, in the comments here corrected that. So you dont even know what they did, yet you try to explain me, its hillarious :)
@VijayShanmugham2 ай бұрын
Some decades later, we will be watching videos on today's F1 cheating stories!
@ericmcmanus5179Ай бұрын
Thank you for putting the lrogress bar at the bottom of the video when you do you ad read. It makes it muc easier to know exactly how much skipping I need to without accidently going past the real content. Im not being sarcastic. I really appreciate this. I wish more people did this during ad reads.
@LilianaMcleod-pj9jw2 ай бұрын
This soundtrack slaps, good pick!
@purwantiallan50892 ай бұрын
Kinda reminded me a lot to the soundtrack from F1 2020 PS4.
@gmanuk19862 ай бұрын
Soundtrack?
@John147102 ай бұрын
Found a bot guys
@John147102 ай бұрын
BOT
@keisuketakahasi45842 ай бұрын
@@gmanuk1986 he forgot his pills
@Spike-sk7ql2 ай бұрын
Nah,the Ferrari fuel flow has got to go down as the most genius cheat ever. To think that you can drive the pump harder while the sensor isnt checking, and actually map out when the sensor is looking, then figure out a way to PWM the pump higher only while the sensor had its eyes closed is pure genius. Oh yeah, and FORZA FERRARI!
@dmytrovolkov4487Ай бұрын
Move with "water cooled" brakes was bolder)
@lars-christianhilleke2503Ай бұрын
I mean I love it and FORZA FERRARI but this is indeed cheating when the 94 Benetton Team wasn't so I'd still have to give it to them.
@d0e3222 ай бұрын
Liverpool Data Research Associates (the company who made analyses for the FIA) found something on the 3 systems they analysed (Benetton Ferrari and McLaren). The Ferrari Had a traction control and McLaren a program that permitted automatic gearshifts
@thelegend52432 ай бұрын
Williams won the constructors title in 94
@FilippoFilippini2 ай бұрын
Benetton didn't win Constructor Champ in 94
@craig1622 ай бұрын
I remember after a crash a Red Bull had its nose torn off and everyone could see some sort of weight that would bounce up and down helping the car over bumps. I also remember a team that could transfer fuel from a second small tank into the main tank. Cool stuff.
@mini6962 ай бұрын
Its like saying they have a turbo in the car, but the butterfly valve to activate it wasn't used. Trust us.
@purwantiallan50892 ай бұрын
The Benetton B194 saved their turbo uses for later uses.
@jacekatalakis83162 ай бұрын
Don't forget this is the same general time as Intel's floating oint bug. Also a Ferrari with a dozen floppy drives sounds entirely, entirely reasonable. So, were they 5.25 or 3.5 inch drives? No I'm serious, I am genuinely intrigued what Ferrari were doing with the floppies, was it writing data to them for the team to analyze once the car was in the pits and how did they get around the disk being full, cause anyone with a PC in that era dreaded disks being full. 1.44mb of space is a bit like having terabytes of space nowadays, you think it's a lot but it really isn't
@willdarling12 ай бұрын
They can't really have been floppy 'removable media' drives !?!?! That is blowing my tiny mind. Surely a bunch of NVRAM would have been the way?
@keisuketakahasi45842 ай бұрын
i ve read somewhere that a modern f1 car with all its sensors takes about 50gb/lap, so its not entierly unlikely to have a dozen of floppy discs in a 90s car
@willdarling12 ай бұрын
@@keisuketakahasi4584 Yes the amount of data seems believable, I just mean with weight being such a huge cost in F1, why have all the unnecessary "eject" mechanisms and stuff? Drives with a non removable media would be much lighter.
@jacekatalakis83162 ай бұрын
@@willdarling1 Not just that, but then ensuring the eject mechanisms don't go firing off because you hit a bump too hard or something as well. Makes me wonder just how Ferrari were managing this and just how they were using the floppies. I mean it's a great way of getting a light car up to the what, 600 kg minimum weight at the time after all given how much of a brick floppy drives tended to be in those days as well too. I'd be curious just how many flopppies Ferrari got through since working with DOS on a 191-2 era PC and having to handle several dozen floppies at once seems like a recipe for mistakes
@tokdo49602 ай бұрын
Video actually starts at 7:42 He doesn't even explain what traction control is. Everything before this just skip.
@b08m4rt1n2 ай бұрын
I used to think one of the teams was using the pit limiter button as traction control, because you could see the driver push a button on the wheel coming out of hairpin turns. No reason to talk on the radio every time you come out of a hairpin turn.
@Ding_Bat2 ай бұрын
Flavio Briatore. That name says it all...
@badgers19752 ай бұрын
@@Ding_Bat says everything about liberiys integrity, and we thought we would get something better than Bernie
@Hamisxa2 ай бұрын
2:43 missed opportunity to use Come Fly With Me "computer said noo"
@diegomangueira2 ай бұрын
Suuuure he doesn't know anything abput the launch control....
@y_fam_goeglyd2 ай бұрын
Fantastic video. The typical high standard we expect from this channel. Thanks to Willem for his explanations. Hearing it from someone who was there makes it even better. And for those of us older than we like to admit, he helped transport us back to those "good old, bad old days". He's made a comment, btw. So you can go say thanks personally!
@Suattransito2 ай бұрын
Ayrton Senna tinha um ouvido afiado!! 🇧🇷
@koolerking4402 ай бұрын
Funnily enough, the strange noise going into corners was the exact thing Brundell said about the red bull, circa Vettel driving for them, and its was never looked into.
@jlindell65322 ай бұрын
senna had a insane feel for engines and what noise they should be making . i would never disagree with him on anything like that and i suspect he knew what flavio was like also
@Ahito19842 ай бұрын
When Barnard moved to Enstone, he reorganized the team on the right track. Barnard did most of the job around 90-91. Briatore, Brawn and Schumacher only got the benefits from John handiwork. Had John stayed, Senna move to Enstone was a possibility around 92
@BlueSkyCrystalsАй бұрын
Bullshit. He had great feel for the engines in the cars he was driving. He did not have super ears that allowed him to hear things others could not. He wasn’t Superman.
@ajegelin2 ай бұрын
Kinda like now when Red Bull and Ferrari have flexible wings it’s really bad but when Mercedes do it, it is totally OK
@gaycha65892 ай бұрын
Ditto dodgy brake valves.
@kjell2782 ай бұрын
i hate when people say they cheated while being just not informed well enough
@limpetarch98k2 ай бұрын
They dont understand that engineers are really cheeky bastards
@keisuketakahasi45842 ай бұрын
its like that in every category, people think they re smart and know everything when they clearly dont
@Xandergre2 ай бұрын
what people dont really understand is that engineers will do ANYTHING in their knowledge and capabilities to produce the most competitive car they can produce
@Alexrtt922 ай бұрын
I also hate it when they say Benetton cheated when Williams was still using active suspension parts till San Marino 94 and McLaren and Ferrari were still using automatic gearbox features and all of them didn't give blackboxes to the FIA when the requested it. But yeah Benetton is the biggest devil ever.
@Alexrtt922 ай бұрын
I also hate it when they say Benetton cheated when Williams was still using active suspension parts till San Marino 94 and McLaren and Ferrari were still using automatic gearbox features and all of them didn't give blackboxes to the FIA when the requested it. But yeah Benetton is the biggest devil ever even tho they never found anything on the car.
@LUIZ.5272 ай бұрын
Finalmente vcs voltaram com o canal, por favor, continue trazendo vídeos para a gente. E com a voz anterior por favor.
@indobleh2 ай бұрын
The most used social media argument has never existed. There's never been "In the spirit of the rules" rule, I hope there never is either. Also, Senna was extremely well adapted at using every means possible to get his own way, arguably the greatest manipulator of all F1 drivers.
@lars-christianhilleke2503Ай бұрын
It's just normal in F1 and in 1994 Benetton were best (actually 2nd best) at it. I don't see a problem. We want these geniuses to bend the rules.
@laakeri842 ай бұрын
It's strange to if they really used on the speed difference for the traction control. I've tried using derivate of the speed (=acceleration) instead in an electric drive requiring kind of a traction control. It was so much faster to react it was quite hard to tell when it was about to slip because the control reacted so fast there really wasn't any slipping at all. Also the capability of early 90s computers was downplayed in this video. Citroën already had active suspension, Hydractive, in a production car (XM) in 1989. The system selected suspension mode on fuzzy logic. More sophisticated version Hydractive 2 came with Xantia in 1993. The Hydractive I/II ECU isn't big, maybe 20x15x5 cm or so. And in 1994 active body roll control for a production car was introduced in Xantia Activa which had neglible body roll. For a road car it was a rocket in the corners and still holds the record for the Swedish Teknikens Värld magazine's moose avoidance test, being faster in it than for example Audi R8 '17, McLaren 675LT, Mercedes-AMG GT S '15 and Porsche 997 Carrera 4S 2008. So, the technical capability for such system did exist in the early 90s in the price so low it could be implemented in a production car. For a limited series road car the same system could have been more efficient and smaller. One another example of the calculation capability in the early 90s computers is the DTC - direct torque contorl in the asynchronous electric motors (squirrel cage induction motors), which ABB introduced to the market in their ACS600 series in 1995. It was capable of doing motor model calculations such way it made rotor reference frame to stator reference frame conversion, two axis to three axis conversion and vice versa in a single control cycle - and also optimum pulse selection of course. And this all happened multiple times in a millisecond - on one chip. That was the thing that made ABB's drives superior to all their competitors. So already in the 1990s the calculation capability of embedded computers was huge. And how much you can fit on one floppy? Well, the logic program for controlling a paper machine could was small enough to fit on a DD floppy (720 kB) in ABB/Strömberg's Selma 2 control system from the 1980s. The thing is to use all the calculation power efficiently instead of wasting it. So the limitations in the active suspension and traction control systems in the early 90s F1 wasn't caused by the limitations of the computers, but the designers. And I really think they used the acceleration of the rear wheels or the camshaft instead of (only) the speed difference between the axles. I don't know much about the internal combustion engines, but I think it would have been possible even to use the engine's torque/speed curve, throttle position and gear to calculate the greatest possible acceleration. Of course there has to be a margin for a tailwind and a downhill. Or they could have compared the accelaration difference between the axles instead of the speeds.
@sreekrishnanmuralitharan5202 ай бұрын
Please do a driving style analysis of Nico Hulkenberg.
@purwantiallan50892 ай бұрын
Or driving style from Mick Schumacher or Nicholas Latifi.
@sreekrishnanmuralitharan5202 ай бұрын
@@purwantiallan5089 don't think Nico can be compared to Mick or GOATifi. Like Adrian Sutil, he has done very well in many races despite no podiums.
@keisuketakahasi45842 ай бұрын
raghunathan
@sreekrishnanmuralitharan5202 ай бұрын
@@keisuketakahasi4584 Lord Rags , GOATifi, Guenther Steiner & Bruno Famin - the Schumi/Barichello, Jean Todt & Ross Brawn of our time.
@keisuketakahasi45842 ай бұрын
@@sreekrishnanmuralitharan520 ?
@terrylessmann22742 ай бұрын
Just heard a story about a NASCAR team cutting cyls to 7 in corners at a short track race. Their version of traction control.
@Hanking-Warry2 ай бұрын
Time to return to 3 litre naturally aspirated manual transmission no electronics cars and see proper racing again.
@1010thechamp2 ай бұрын
Man where is that 1997 Benetton you drag raced and kept saying you were going to use it more but never did? Its why i subbed...
@Hunt-tq7ks2 ай бұрын
1994 was something else man
@F1Technic252 ай бұрын
I love this serie you make about cars of culture and their history. Could you please do a video about the Renault r26 of the 2006 f1 season. It has a nice history and innovations. Thanks for this videos, I love them
@rererep11092 ай бұрын
I love this story, my dad always told me for sure they did in a secret menu.
@purwantiallan50892 ай бұрын
Special secret menu?
@Scottie_S2 ай бұрын
@@purwantiallan5089 It was Mongolian Lamb with fried rice...not really secret, but unexpected.
@j_e_hill2 ай бұрын
Thanks for explaining this well. I’ve heard this approach alluded to in the past but never outlined so well. And as a longtime follower of Willem on LinkedIn, his insights are always really interesting. But hadn’t ever seen him interviewed. Great watch.
@user-th6oi8pg4n2 ай бұрын
Why are you name dropping Scott? Couldn’t you just say Benetton
@bawehjerox50302 ай бұрын
So they were not allowed to use wheel speed sensors, but were they not allowed to use an accurate and fast enough engine speed sensor to monitor the rate of acceleration of the engine and detect wheel spin this way whenever a gear is engaged ?
@dmytrovolkov4487Ай бұрын
Rules must be precise enough to explain what is banned, otherwise it will cover other areas. FIA banned sensors to prevent reading wheels traction, but teams found clever way to determine it with indirect methods.
@stefanosnapshots4632 ай бұрын
What if the traction control system was used in testing only to inform engineers on how to manually calibrate the workaround they devised?
@shi012 ай бұрын
That would be legal, but makes hardly any sense. Different tracks provide wastly different traction levels. depending on many things the engineers can't control beforehand. Basically the system needed constant adjustments to work as good as possible.
@OsellaSquadraCorse2 ай бұрын
It wasn't even traction control. Two completely different things... Also, one was the engine and the other was in the gearbox.
@danielfietkau7332 ай бұрын
CVT would have had the same impact as electric cars have today. The industry was not willing to bring cvt in F1 cause it would prove the concept for the market and push development. 30 years later CVT is still a side arm for only a few brands that produce cars with petrol engines.
@themarauder61082 ай бұрын
Active suspension needs to make a comeback. Pretty sure a lot of the problems with porpoising and the cars feeling very heavy under steering would be solved by doing so.
@filipesiegrist2 ай бұрын
iirc it will in 2026
@keisuketakahasi45842 ай бұрын
i would still love to see the 2019 mercedes with active suspension, abs, traction control and the rule book thrown out the window to smash every track record
@TheRip722 ай бұрын
Lotus' twin chassis would also address the porpoising issue. Unlike Active Suspension, it didn't do the driver's work for them.
@sunjaykalsi32662 ай бұрын
@@themarauder6108 porpoising has robbed us of the ground effect intent. Various teams have got the minimum floor height raised. Should have always had ground effect + active ride
@minomarazzini2 ай бұрын
Great retrospective and interview, many thanks @Driver61 it's awesome!
@penguin44ca2 ай бұрын
Um did you just wing it or something? Much of this information is incorrect. Maybe research
@DimZ_F12 ай бұрын
Benetton didn't win the constructors title in 1994. Williams did. If someone wants to have in depth knowledge of the season, they should read Ibrar Malik's "1994: The untold story of a tragic and controvertial F1 season".
@bobkitchin83462 ай бұрын
As they say in NASCAR, "If you're not cheating, you're not trying"
@pistonfury2 ай бұрын
i've seen your videos all the time from smaller! seeing you from then to now is Crazy!
@chris-zl4wm2 ай бұрын
at the end of 1993 senna was offered the Benneton car to drive for 1994 alongside Schumacher but he declined the offer, thinking that Williams would be better.
@fluffskunk2 ай бұрын
It was. It won the constructor's championship, and would have won the driver's were it not for the fuel filter, traction control, and oh yeah, Schumacher deliberately crashing into Hill in Adelaide. "Oh you can't prove it was deliberate" he tried it again in 1997. He was a cheater. Accept it. Move on.
@dmytrovolkov4487Ай бұрын
@@fluffskunk if not for absurd ban of Schumacher in Silverstone so he missed three races - Benneton would have won everything and Schumacher-Hill crash wouldn't have happened. FIA were cheaters themselves. And "traction control" was a grey zone invention, like Renault suspension in 2005-2006, double diffusers for Brawn in 2009, blown diffusers for RB, DAS for Mercedes, f-duct... Against the rules logic, but hiding between actual rules.
@lars-christianhilleke2503Ай бұрын
@@fluffskunk Hill should not have tried to overtake there. It was Schumacher's corner all along. Hill was impatient because it was about the championship. Yes, maybe Schumacher thought: "Hey if you want to crash. Let's crash" but he didn't make Hill overtake at that particular corner.
@psueddieАй бұрын
@@lars-christianhilleke2503 This is the craziest take I've ever seen. Schumacher made a major error, hit the wall, and was moving slow and off the racing line. Unless Hill comes to a complete stop, there is no way he's not overtaking him there. In fact, Hill even slows down to an extreme degree and even then, has no choice but to pass him. Schumacher was far to the left and in no way would anyone believe he would just dive across the racing line with no other outcome other than hitting Hill's car. He realized his title was lost and took Hill out. Utter travesty Schumacher was allowed to keep that title.
@lars-christianhilleke2503Ай бұрын
@@psueddie well you dive to the inside to hit the Apex. Hill was there. I think Schumacher thought of it as "if he wants to crash I dont care". And for all the bs that the FIA did to Benetton this year. Schumacher getting this title stolen with only being able to race 12 races and never finishing lower than 2nd(!). Hill taking that title would have been more controversial than the 1st that Verstappen got. :o
@Hoppy54542 ай бұрын
Waw, 30yrs later and you have explained what actually happened. With the greatest sincerity,, thank you , subscribed.
@k_the_v2 ай бұрын
To this day I'm convinced this was the cause of Senna's passing: he knew beneton were cheating so he pushed extra hard to keep pace.
@twitchsheinz2 ай бұрын
People will believe whatever they want. The fact is that every crash at tamburello was due a mechanical failure, it was basically a "straight" corner. Implying a driver of senna's category would forget how to turn the wheel is just ignorant of all the other much stronger evidence presented at the court trials. At least it's not as ridiculous as the people who claim senna "passed out" from holding his breath.... LOL...
@lars-christianhilleke2503Ай бұрын
Benetton just built a better race car (at least during the early part of the season). That's why Senna had to push hard to keep pace.
@k_the_vАй бұрын
@lars-christianhilleke2503 No, they were cheating with illegal tcs software. Watch the full length Senna documentary.
@twitchsheinzАй бұрын
@@lars-christianhilleke2503 just because it makes sense in your head doesn't mean it's true
@delboy6384Ай бұрын
I agree with OP
@aaronklein14902 ай бұрын
Its nice when the drivers are that knowledgeable about the things they see and hear the cars doing. It's not necessary to know all that engineering info to be ablento drive fast, but im sure it obviously helps with these situations and probably helps communicating with the crew setting the car up.
@markleach29362 ай бұрын
Was it only Schumacher that knew how to operate the cheat code?
@paulpenketh94352 ай бұрын
you do know Michael decided to leave the team in 1994 due to this apparent cheat code.
@Jortio2 ай бұрын
Looved the Geoff Crammond Microprose Grand Prix cameo.... Countless hours, 100% race distance full season racing, printing all season results with our matrix printer to proudly show no one interested... What a time..
@maartendehoog85272 ай бұрын
Benetton didn’t win the constructors title in 1994, they did in 1995. Michael Schumacher was the only driver in 1994 that could get the maximum out of the B194. Jos came close but was on his own, had no access to data to compare with his teammate. Contractual things from the schumacher management. 2 3rd places was the best the second Benetton achieved in 1994.
@maartendehoog85272 ай бұрын
Motorsport always has been and will be about gaining a unfair advantage. If you do not win? You are not creative enough understanding what is written and how it can be interpreted or what it did not imply
@OsellaSquadraCorse2 ай бұрын
And yet Herbert was much closer than Jos, because he was an experienced F1 driver, rather than a driver parachuted in from F3 at short notice with little testing perhaps...? Herbert was jumped from Lotus to Ligier to Benetton all at short notice; but was far more used to it. Jos wasn't even supposed to be racing the car that season and was given very little testing between Lehto's neck break and Brazil. He struggled a lot, hardly surprising - only his ego is why he makes these claims about the reasons he was off the pace.
@frederick.gehlhoff2 ай бұрын
Yeah, let's interview one of the people accused of breaking the rules. They'll totally confess.
@deepindercheema49172 ай бұрын
16:06.. That's our Public House Quizzing team 'Ignited colours of Benetton"
@joshimura19952 ай бұрын
1994 was a absolute shit show, the way the British media in particular went after Schumacher was just naughty and borderline disrespectful. At the end of the day Williams had the best car on the grid especially after they brought their B version ( that fixed some problems of the initial car) for the Spain GP. Schumacher won the Championship despite technically only driving 12 out of the 16 races. And Hill won 4 out of his 6 wins that year when Schumacher was either disqualified or banned from starting the race. The way the FIA tried to stop Schumacher from running away with the championship was a absolute comedy show in itself. Hill winning that title in 1994 ( Williams won the Constructors title tho) would have been one of the biggest crimes in racing history.
@addsy63962 ай бұрын
I have always believed those penalties were only put in place to prevent a Schumacher white wash of the 94 season. The FIA didn't want the most tragic season to turn into the most boring season
@angrydoggy91702 ай бұрын
So cheating is perfectly fine?
@janawisestarsso99222 ай бұрын
Benetton fuhr mit Traktionskontrolle, was nicht erlaubt war.
@paulpenketh94352 ай бұрын
@@janawisestarsso9922 did you watch the video???
@reptongeek2 ай бұрын
The FIA went after Benetton so much was because Flavio wrote a very incendiary letter to Max Mosley, after the rule changes to the cars after Senna's death. Essentially giving him a vote of no confidence. Max didn't like this so he came down on them hard. Just like he would with Ron Dennis in 2007
@80sandmore942 ай бұрын
Only one of the Benetton's in Aida had the strange engine sound. Ofcourse he doesn't remember anything about the launch control...
@shooter7a2 ай бұрын
The way you explain Bennetons system is wrong. What you said....is not at all what Toet said. The Benneton system was not a simple static system...it was still a sophisticated control loop...it was just based on on a different loop. That loop was the actual acceleration of the rear wheels in comparison to the maximum possible acceleration the tires could actually put down. Basically dv/dt vs a large set of multidimensional lookup tables.
@GamezGuru12 ай бұрын
You're right, he misquoted him by describing it as an RPM limit, rather than an acceleration limit. However, when he describes it as 'static' it's in relation to limiting acceleration (based on a pre-programmed allowance for wheel slip) as opposed to measuring wheel slip directly. This is why it's not nearly as powerful as traditional TC, which automatically deals with changes in grip level.
@shooter7a2 ай бұрын
@@GamezGuru1 but it is not static. It depends on many factors, such as lateral acceleration and speed. The way they did it was just as a I said... The actual acceleration measured and compared to the theoretical max, which is based on a many factors...hence a multidimensional look up table.
@benjimc12 ай бұрын
@@shooter7ait's static in that it is based on fixed variables, whereas an active TC based on the front wheel speed is dynamic data. Hence it wouldn't work with fresh rubber the same way it worked with worn tyres. Also it is still an RPM limit, technically, the TC will cut the revs to limit power. Just the limit changes at different speeds or "slip" (although it's not actually measuring slip)
@shooter7a2 ай бұрын
@@benjimc1 Nope. The torque target is not fixed. It changes. The thing it changes most with is lateral G. The residual of the friction ellipse changes a lot depending on how hard you are turning, and at what speed.....hence multi-dimensional look up tables. To the control system, a multidimensional look up table is just like dynamic data....
@benjimc12 ай бұрын
@@shooter7a from what I understand though, this is not measuring slip, as there are no wheel speed sensors, only air pressure sensor. So it's based on a theoretical maximum torque output at a given speed/gear
@procatprocat96472 ай бұрын
CVT is fine for kids mopeds, but abysmal for motorsports. Most people complain about the sound of hybrid F1 cars, but CVT F1 would have killed off the sport 20 years before that. Dumb dumb dumb idea.
@optyfen52762 ай бұрын
Disappointed to have such a guest in the video but have Scott talking 90% of the time, such a shame.
@michaelkitchin96652 ай бұрын
It's always weird hearing the likes of Willem and Brawn talk about this. I don't know what kind of collaboration goes on at an F1 team but, if there's a cheat (or clever obfuscation of the rules), some plausible deniability is invaluable. Make sure nobody on the team knows everything, rather than getting so many stories straight. As for the engine limiting, that's a clever fix. It's also the third proposal I've heard about the '94 Benetton (Traction control, a primitive blown diffuser system and now this). The only thing we know for certain are the fuel rigs and option 13. It's got an enigmatic quality few F1 cars have.
@dumptrump37882 ай бұрын
Schumacher using something illegal & cheating? I'm SHOCKED, do you hear, SHOCKED! The "Greatest Of All Time" wouldn't cheat, ram competitors off the road & accuse others for crashes HE caused, block a faster driver from taking Pole Position during practice, would he?
@stef84042 ай бұрын
As you can hear, it was not cheating. FIA just banned the use of some computer programs and some sort of sensors with the target to ban traction control. FIA did not ban traction control as it was build by Benetton. For our personal feeling of justice, it should be illegal, but broken down to naked rules and facts, it is not illegal.
@gaycha65892 ай бұрын
He was ruthless but never as dirty as Max on track take-outs