How big should Wrexham's stadium be?

In this week's podcast, Nathan and Rich discuss the setbacks impacting the redevelopment of the Racecourse Ground and ask, just how big should the stadium become?
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[@TheDjnatronic]

Spend $250k to get promoted, I think every team would pay that!!! The stands were an amazing idea I'm glad they listened to me.

[@vhemingson]

The amount of whining that takes place on social media platforms when people can’t easily get tickets to a Wrexham game is astonishing. And the vitriol against Parky if Wrexham loses two away games is remarkable. The fans may be loyal, but so fragile. Given all the trauma caused by a history of bad and duplicitous owners, I think all of North Wales could benefit from PTSD counselling and treatment. And the fan base should have a serious discussion about just how successful they want the team to be.

[@richardhughes3196]

Wrexham and the Racecourse are a marriage. The fans didn't save it from being a B&Q to later move to a soulless Lego ground next to the JCB factory. I think once the Kop and Wrexham Lager stand are done, the facilities will be infinitely better and 20-25K would suit us fine, outside of being an established premier league outfit. The temp kop eases ticket demand in the short term, I'd love to hear where we're at regarding a new training ground. Another great pod fellas👍

[@DeanSinger-ky7md]

20-25k

[@TheMol2612]

I don’t think many reds would ever entertain a stadium other than the Cae Ras. A soulless, Lego stadium miles from town would kill that match day buzz and experience of meeting friends in town, couple of pints, walk to the ground, being greeted with those massive floodlights… None of that pre / post match routine for most fans would be possible with a modern remote ground

[@momof3inawesometown]

We love your pod and youtube version! Great work, both of you!

[@robryanred]

Thanks so much!

[@hometechUK]

Guess with the 4 Walls sponsorship the temporary stand is breaking even, it was good for Rob to push for this.

[@robryanred]

Masterstroke from Rob given the delays around the permanent build

[@Stonercombatvet]

Let's go. Ready for the new season

[@CryptikConstruct]

Thanks again for the shout out for #WxmGiving. Will you post the prize downunder? 😂

[@iolojones6650]

Subscribed.. would love to see a larger kop end, but also don’t want to see the stadium outgrow the fan base

[@andyclarke8338]

good content lads keep it up. Build it to 25k, that will be plenty going forward

[@cthorsman4242]

On strikers, Palmer was playing well end of last season. He often distributes the ball brilliantly and when 100% healthy, having he and Mullin on the pitch has been very productive. JMO, I would continue that duo until it proves ineffective, bringing Fletcher in around the 75th minute. With the existing wingers and midfielders we have, Wrexam fields a formidable offense. Also, having a season of practice and play behind them, the current group should more often play to their potential.

[@cbd892012]

I have been listening for the past year and just subscribed! Would love to have a medal here in Georgia.

[@petetazflies]

And he's signed 😅 Arthur is our goalie 😉

[@hugomatthews2936]

Great videos from you guys can’t wait to see more as the season starts

[@robryanred]

More to come! Thanks for the support

[@gavinvaughan7721]

Great video guys. Hopefully there will plenty more news coming from the club this next week

[@wrexham16]

Talking about the kit and pre-season, I still find it absolutely unbelievable we have only 3 announced pre-season games! I’m guessing with it being so late now we’ll be playing BCD friendlies again that’ll be sorted late!

[@tomreed5616]

Glad to see the pods going on youtube again :)

[@LOSTshowfan]

Thanks for all of your efforts in producing the pod! PS--Would love that medal. 🥈

[@pauluw1]

American fan here: they should never move away from the Racecourse location. I think Rob and Ryan get that. What would local fans think of moving the Turf down towards Crispin Lane a bit and then shifting the pitch that direction, say 20 yards? That would allow them to use all the empty space behind the Kop and make the Tech End much larger. I think they could easily get over 30K if they did that. Or is that heresy?

[@stuartharris1719]

Great podcast, looking forward to next season COYR

[@Stonercombatvet]

Great video, as always. I can't wait for Wrexham to start signing players.

[@peterwilliams7282]

Love the channel fellas, great content guaranteed. Fab give away 👌 and as far as the redevelopment goes, whatever gets delivered I think everyone will agree it's going to be very very special 👌👍

[@womackcadam]

Great job as always, gents!

[@robryanred]

Thank you!

[@NicHughes-zy1ib]

Subscribed! Thanks for the chuckle brothers reference! 😂

[@robryanred]

Educating all the non-Paul and Barry superfans...

[@danta2er]

Love show, subscribed for sure. I'd love to see the Racecourse upgraded, it's something that makes Wrexham special

[@robryanred]

Thanks for the support! Fascinated to see the revised plans for the stadium redesign

[@Bltbuttie]

It would be devastating if the club moved out of the town , and it goes against Rob and Ryan’s love cot the town , love the podcast. And I’m a new subscriber!

[@EmmaRoberts79]

Love the podcast, listen every week, I don’t want to leave the racecourse, been going there for 30 years, lots of memories and a lot of history to move it elsewhere

[@robjj1000]

great video as always guys ... that Medal would be the perfect birthday pressie for my son ! :-)

[@robryanred]

Good luck!

[@derekho7720]

It would be hard to imagine Wrexham playing elsewhere especially since the club was founded at The Turf. I am a bandwagon fan from the US and I would love to watch a game at the Stok sometime. No need to move! Enjoy the show! Guessing there will be another one about Arthur re-signing. #UpTheTown

[@cliffanthony1]

Just like Mutley in Stop the Pigeon I love medals.

[@robryanred]

An incredibly niche reference that we are both very much here for. Good luck!

[@CryptikConstruct]

No to any move away from the Cae Ras

[@marktrego3334]

I think the ribbon is called a “lanyard”. Also, I would think they are redesigning it in a way that all non seating parts of the new kop are able to be built while the temp stand is in operation (incl offices and toilets) so that they can minimize the time without fans on that fourth side.

[@robryanred]

Kop is going to be about way more than bums on seats; megastore, office space, the works. Better to get it right than rush it and get it wrong. But new plans - whenever they are released - will be fascinating

[@RhysDavies-gi8uz]

90 degree switch is the option for it to work. I recommend looking at Athletico Bilbao San Mames stadium as a case study, we could still play while a major rebuild is ongoing. Only viable option for a 35k+ stadium as a footprint else looking at maximim 22k. But I don't think its enough to meet aspiring UEFA standards.

[@2ndHandSoul91]

Love your podcast! Thanks so much for your efforts. Pardon me ahead of time for the ramble... I agree with you when it comes to transfers, and would prefer an injection of high ceiling youth (e.g. Sibley, Diarra) that can grow into starting roles as the team moves up. I think a 30,000 stadium is probably the right size, as unlike here in the States, the number of team choices for fans to follow is significantly higher near Wrexham. Moreover, the documentary creates a level of engagement with team that may not sustain without it. Finally, wild idea... as Wrexham prepares to build a training ground and improve their academy, should they also leverage the Welsh presence in Argentina to create a satellite academy there?

[@camjo6386]

Subscribed already, make it safe standing

[@DrewDoesWhatever]

I would certainly object to a new ground entirely. Wrexham without the racecourse seems soulless like you guys have suggested.

[@tomevans1057]

A medal really? Come on you reds!!!!

[@hometechUK]

Maybe the new stand goes around the corners ready for the other stands to be upgraded?

[@nickdemos6737]

That silver medal would be amazing!!

[@robryanred]

Good luck!

[@jph418]

Already subscribed, thanks for another good one. Don’t move the stadium, renovate.

[@robryanred]

What total capacity would you be aiming for?

[@jph418]

@@robryanred I think 25k would do. 30 thousand tops.

[@BruceMcFarling]

WIth Wrexham's catchment area, I can easily see expanding the Racecourse to ~30K. It should be in two tiers around, so that if the pitch is improved sufficiently to support two teams, the women's team can play at the Racecourse with tickets sold on all four sides to the lower tier alone. I am confident from the odds and sods of details about the financing of the temp stand that with it in use until the stands component of the Kop is ready to begin being built, and with the sponsorship, that it will break-even or better.

[@myrtland]

really looking forward to Vancouver, hope to meet you both there. Do you think it will sell out?

[@robryanred]

We'll be trying to meet as many fans as possible! Now they have opened the upper bowl there's a real chance it could run close. Probably just shy of a sell out

[@johnparry7237]

Many clubs have relocated and prospered, we need more pace and full 90 mins up front alongside PM, as to fixtures he who pays the ferryman calls the tune, keep up the good work

[@mannyfestoINS]

Question from an uninformed fan. If an American were targeted and ultimately signed, how would he be received by fans? I imagine there are a number of quality Americans that would jump at the chance to play for the squad. Any rumblings of such a move?

[@dibley-dias4803]

Should keep the main stand and develop the other 3 like Fulham did it

[@themomandthekid2777]

Hi from Buffalo NY. My question may be hard to answer. But, with any future renovations, new builds, expansions, etc... what is the maximum seating that could be created in the existing home of Wrexham AFC? I understand the existing ground isn't big enough for a massive stadium. But I'm unfamiliar with how much room there is to grow beyond the pending new kop stand.

[@phillipmillington5190]

Kit issue is, I believe down to supplier. Macron no longer being used.

[@robryanred]

So much chatter about the kits, really surprised it's dragged on to late June

[@davidmiddleton6479]

The new Kop will be much bigger. My guess it’s going to be closer to 7500 to 10,000. Need to have a min of 20k seats to compete at the top level of L1 much less championship. Those extra $$ are critical for the level of players that we are chasing. Always from a league above. Why signings are taking so long. We aren’t targeting L1 players, it’s championship or prem players.

[@deanjones678]

The temporary kop really has become the Bobby grant stand..here on loan ..temporary and end up staying longer than we want

[@jonathanhalton5119]

One reason i personally would nt sign an additional eighth striker is the money it may cost the club will eat into the budget we have to get in the absolutely key replacements needed meaning less quality players within defence and other areas we re short in

[@robryanred]

How satisfied are you right now with the current striking options?

[@EMarinoTrumpet]

Subscribed! Would like to see the Racecourse grow within reason. I don't think it would be a good idea to build a new one. I remember going to Yankee Stadium before it got demolished and that was a historical field. I went to the new one a year later and it wasn't the same. I would hate that for the lifelong Wrexham fans and new fans alike.

[@robryanred]

Assume Yankee fans eventually just accepted the new stadium? Preserving the history is so vital to Wrexham we both feel

[@EMarinoTrumpet]

@@robryanred I’m not from New York. Older fans didn’t like it a whole lot when I went there ten years ago. I do think newer fans and tourists probably don’t care.

[@markhughes7180]

Subscribed. Already. We need a starting striker to partner Mulls. Fletch and Jack good off the bench, Macca can play up there as well. Loan Dalby out , ship out Waters

[@robryanred]

Hard to argue with any of that Mark

[@phillroch7113]

I’d love to sign Louie Barry too. If we could get him and Arthur that would be a massive show of intent and set us up for the future. Be nice to add Leonard to the mix also.

[@robryanred]

A window which included Barry and Okonkwo would be a 10/10 from us

[@robharrison5893]

Love the pod guys

[@robryanred]

Cheers Rob!

[@user-dx7qk8qf8e]

How much of the budget for the new stand will be funded by the government?

[@DavidAugustine-lc4cj]

Wrexham will never leave the Race Course as the history of oldest international stadium tag line will be gone! Will never happen, as Rob n Ryan would rather go around and up build each stand every few seasons if they have to! And they probably will build two apartments into new stand for themselves too! Why not! They are going to build new hospitality boxes anyway, it's just a few more back rooms to add on. No one will begrudge them that!👍

[@shaynelowther8893]

Sounds worrying to me, word on the block the big hollywood stars are getting cold feet

[@WNN_PaddyPower]

Give Cae Ras to Women and Youth.. convert areas to business and museum use ect and build new stadium.

[@DaveKing-xc3zo]

Episode 177 contest

[@atdecker1]

On Strikers: Mullin backed up by Marriott, [NEW SIGNING] backed up by Fletcher and Ollie. Loan out Bickers, Edwards, Waters and Dalby... or sold (we won't be retaining Waters or Dalby next summer).

[@robryanred]

Wholeheartedly agree

[@mattturk6382]

I enjoy the show. I think the final renovation should result in seating somewhere between 25-35,000. Long term that should be the most sustainable.

[@robryanred]

That's a sensible target we both think. Interested to know if the powers that be agree

[@mattturk6382]

@@robryanred Most, if not all, of the current MLS Stadiums in the US are in this range.

[@andyonions7864]

Scaffolding costs lots of money to set up and less to take down. Renting it in between is relatively cheap. The 'loss' would have been realized if it had been used for the original period. It should be marginally profitable used to the end of the 24-25 season and moreso beyond. Edit: With Premiership ambitions and not 'makeweight' in there, Wrexham require a stadium of that size/quality. The Kop should be designed as one end of an extensible mega stadium. Personally, I see the student flats being rebuilt in time.

[@robryanred]

Had no idea on the scaffolding point, learn something new every day so thanks for that

[@DraigBlackCat]

Nath means Queen Consort. A Queen's Consort, would be a consort to the queen. A Queen is a co-ruler with powers equal to the king. A Queen Consort is a spouse who is given the courtesy title of Queen, but has no formal civil powers.

[@robryanred]

Ha, you are exactly right. Silly mistake!

[@johnbshannon]

called a lanyard

[@robryanred]

Head went completely blank... thanks!

[@WNN_PaddyPower]

What did you do to piss off James McClean???

[@MrsFosterFromWrexham]

Defo don’t move location

[@lauraforman8883]

Just a comment on building a new stadium instead of renovating the old. The NY Yankees built a new stadium across the street from the old one. The old one was torn down to make a park. The new stadium feels generic and has lost that wonderful feeling & uniqueness the old stadium had. It is no longer where Babe Ruth played or where the Yankees won World Series. To me it looks like any number of major league baseball stadiums

[@BruceMcFarling]

Meanwhile Wrigley Field and Fenway are destinations in their own right.

[@robryanred]

This is what the Racecourse can and should be. A destination itself

[@JayNYC212]

Bullsh*t, North American fans want to go to games at The Racecourse, we are not open to a relocation out of town....the idea that we are dismissive of the history and the heritage is a bit insulting