How Black Feminism Helps Black Men

[@darkgodess615]

They don't even hear us when we say that because power and control are the priorities.

[@starchildofthe90s7]

Bingo its never been about anything else

[@thecollector6746]

No, we hear you....we just aren't as stupid as you think we are.

[@squirrelsinmykoolaid]

And the gag is the manosphere people profit off of feeding depression in men. Without that, they wouldnt have people to buy their courses/books or give them clicks and views. Happy healthy men dont consume that nonsense.

[@bw5020]

The other end don't help either.

[@milesfolley6840]

Actually hearing what they said, it’s actually different than what is expected. Some of the men in that world want to offer advice to help a man be great in his purpose. It’s not always negative.

[@tatianadaniel3569]

​@@milesfolley6840 Which content gets more viewership and more donations: manosphere self improvement content (finacicial tips, public speaking advice, dietary help, social contributions, etc.) OR manosphere redpill content (modern women are bad, western women are bad, passport bros, have sex with as many women as possible, don't get married, etc.)?

[@dkt4377]

​​@@milesfolley6840 I remember when Kevin Samuels did a show where he talked about the high rates of blk men who are reading at or below 4th grade levels. Also, he criticized blk men in America for under performaning in the markets that matter... I guess its only considered bashing if women are the target of his critiques. But when men are spoken harshly to or about, no one bats an eyelash because that's just another Tuesday.

[@roseeze166]

Exactly

[@zerotolerance2026]

Don’t save them. They don’t want to be saved.

[@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242]

The only successful socioeconomic movements in this country have been and will continue to be intersectional. They do want to be saved, most of em, they just have been brain-broken into looking for help in all the wrong places. We have to save people even when they don't know it. Society writ large benefits in the end. I understand your frustration though. Men have to step up in helping other men understand what's really going on though. Ultimately everyone that can help should help, if for no other reason than the overall improvement in the dating pool and healthier relationships. The sooner more men realize the source of their problems exist in patriarchal structures, the sooner we can force policy changes that address those issues for everyone.

[@maybemablemaples2144]

​@@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242 men gotta save themselves.

[@zoradaughter]

😂

[@Mic-Mak]

J. Cole or Meghan Thee Stallion?

[@thecollector6746]

@@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242 Yeah....our "brains are broken" because we aren't stupid enough to fall for this gaslighting BS

[@anony1596]

She's preaching yes but I'm distracted because this look is everything!!

[@kbomb234]

Here here, sister! Partners over providers! Men need to date women who want a partner because then you go through life as true companions and not some weird power dynamic.

[@mizzmolly7649]

I didn't realize it was an either/or situation. I personally don't find an under-educated, low-earning man the least bit attractive.

[@imParisthoee]

@@mizzmolly7649the problem is the equation/conflation of a good natured man with a high earning man. You wanting a good man with a lot of money is not a bad thing. However, too many people in society, men and women, think that a man with a lot of money is a good man simply because of his money. Which is wrong and stupid to think

[@mizzmolly7649]

@@imParisthoee Actually, I don't want anything. I'm single, no kids and loving it. And most men who are wealthy have an entitled attitude and many of them lack character. But I find it interesting that so many people think 100k is high earning. It is not. It's middle class. I do better than that, and I still budget everything.

[@imParisthoee]

@@mizzmolly7649 well when you compare yourself to millionaires sure. The average American income is less than 80k. Therefore 100,000 is high earning

[@mizzmolly7649]

@@imParisthoee My point is that there is no reason for a man earning 100k to have a massive ego and think his $h!t don't stink, because 100k doesn't give one a life of luxury. By the way, the median household income where I live is 107k.

[@aliliv9384]

I notice that a lot with guys I talk to I never ask them about their finances or what amount they are making, but they always offer that info.

[@saboo1_2]

Interesting, is it across tax brackets?

[@DominantBlackMaleLeader]

You definitely ask them what they do for a living and you ask them about their hobbies, etc. a great way to assess income. Where they live, what they drive

[@carolsimpson4422]

​@@DominantBlackMaleLeader that's really sad, that you think prompting a man to talk about himself is just a nefarious interrogation tactic.

[@Celestialplane945]

Bingo

[@naeshelle]

Some of the comments on this short are really disheartening. Stop making it about “low performing Black men” or “the high expectations of Black women” y’all. You’re missing the forest for the shrubs you’re mistaking for trees. I think a lot about how hard it will be to get free because we can’t even get on one accord.

[@ktsterlin9304]

I had to stop listening to a lot of content online because I realized I was picking up wrong ideas, like about “providers”. A provider does not make a good relationship.

[@lauren6509]

A provider is baseline. He should also have integrity, commitment and conflict resolution skills. I'm not a city girl but I'm not dating a bus driver. It's like all nuance goes out the window when y'all discuss these bottom shelf males.

[@tambrabonds950]

​@@lauren6509I have so much to say about your attitude toward relationships and men, but I keep getting stuck on what you chose as a bad job. A bus driver is a respectable position where I come from. Decent pay, good benefits, job security is usually good, it doesn't break their body down like some jobs can. What's wrong with that?

[@lauren6509]

@@tambrabonds950 it's average. I have 2 degrees so if I don't want to date someone that can't read past the 6th grade level, why is that an issue? Everybody can have a preference except BW. Cause let Tyrone say he was feminine, fit and friendly Becky then y'all will say it's his pReFrEnCe and love is love. Quiet as it's kept Kimberly wouldn't even date a bus driver. She went to Harvard and runs a media company. They don't have money because they're lazy. BW have double oppression (triple if they're queer 🏳️‍🌈) and we run circles around them.

[@carltonr.7404]

​@@tambrabonds950just curious. Do you think the majority of women share your outlook on men's financial contribution to the relationship? I think the person you replied to represents the majority of women. One part of that population that says they wouldn't date a bus driver at all and the rest saying they would but he has to be "ambitious".

[@tambrabonds950]

@@carltonr.7404 I think we need to unlearn patriarchal lessons on roles in relationships to move forward as a species, which I dont think most people are trying to do.

[@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242]

So much this! Thx for being a real feminist, Kim! With the way the economic landscape has changed it's unfortunately just not possible, never mind practical, for the vast majority of men (or women) to do the single-income-household thing. Not in dating and damn sure not in raising children. The material conditions of the country have simply changed (gotten much worse). Our politicians have decided hollowing out the middle class was a great idea, especially the Republicans. Toxic masculinity and patriarchy crushes both women AND men in so many ways most of us seemingly don't realize. It's no wonder dudes out here depressed and miserable AF. Meanwhile these effin charlatans with platforms won't STFU about how "modern women" are the source of all these dudes' problems. It's so frustrating trying to explain this to other men. Keep doing what you do, Kim! Thank you!

[@dkt4377]

What is toxic masculinity? Does toxic femininity exist?

[@jamdoll8660]

Men created the toxicity, yet act confused when they can't succeed in the environment they created.

[@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242]

@@dkt4377 Expecting men to have more money that he reasonably can given the material conditions of the economy he lives in. That's one example. Expecting men to never talk about their feelings or be able to express their disappointments or generally be open with their partners or even other men because it ostensibly makes him look weak when the opposite is actually true. You get the picture, right? Of course toxic feminity exists. Why wouldn't it?

[@oliviaspring9690]

@@dkt4377 toxic masculinity is when there’s certain traits that we associate with masculinity, but they hurt both men and other people. And example is that men are expected to not have emotions or to be stoic. This hurts men because they struggle to really understand their emotions and deal with them in a healthy way growing up. And it hurts women because it makes men worst communicators. Toxic femininity does exist but usually, it’s not associated positively. Most of the time if you see someone as overly feminine, Katie, gossiping, they usually the villain in the story or the girl no one likes. On the other hand, man, being rational and unemotional is often deemed as a positive trait, despite the harm that comes to both men and women from it.

[@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242]

@@oliviaspring9690 Beautifully put! That's a really great point about toxic feminine traits not being regarded as positive by most people vs toxic masculine traits which are seen as positives, even if erroneously. 🔥🔥🔥

[@chelseashurmantine8153]

When I talk feminism and say exactly this I get called a pick me

[@akilahbrooklyn8236]

Black feminism helps Beta men, not Alpha men. There goes your difference.

[@AbronHawkins]

Yep. Just ask Russell Wilson as well as the other simps

[@kungfumaster12]

😅😅😅😅 the lies

[@RM-uk4xq]

“Show up and make my life easier” you’re telling on yourself and don’t even realize it.

[@Sunfl0w33r]

Sure this concept sounds all fine and dandy, but a lot of women don’t FULLY respect men that aren’t providing 😒… and they throw sh!t in their faces when they’re going gets tough LETS BE REAL👀

[@VeeKayGreenerGrass]

👌🏾👏🏾 They haven't yet figured out patriarchy is messing their lives up.

[@dkt4377]

Blaming patriarchy is a default position for modern feminist.

[@MichelleSmith-gt1py]

​@@dkt4377 sighhhhhhhhhh

[@dkt4377]

@@MichelleSmith-gt1py It's sad, but true.

[@jennifer7685]

Please hear this message fellas

[@LovelyJordy]

Why are y’all trying to save them?

[@YoursTrulyRob]

CIA done a phenomenal job in the black communities 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@Tish1068]

Agreed! I don't know who decided that we should argue with each other about this. We've always been supportive of each other.

[@dkt4377]

There has always been a hierarchy in family dynamics that has worked well... the dynamic she is pushing is not going to help improve our community... the last thing we need is to peddle a message that coddles low preforming men.

[@roxywyndham]

Lies

[@chelseashurmantine8153]

Dude! I just started taking classes again, and there were only 4 men in 4 classes combined. I know this because there were presentations in all of them and I was able to see everyone’s faces during finals. FOUR MEN.

[@dkt4377]

Other minority communities that are winning aren't having these unnecessary conversations. In 2023, there are so many opportunities that allows for financial mobility. Men who are not performing do not need more coddling.

[@PerkpopperDotcom-qu3hk]

Are you saying black people are lazy?

[@tatianadaniel3569]

They're also excelling financially because they encourage their women to pursue higher learning and professional careers.

[@dkt4377]

​@@tatianadaniel3569Actually... they are excelling because they encourage their women to marry before they carry.

[@tatianadaniel3569]

@@dkt4377 Well, our community is "encouraged" as well, and look at what we have. I think it has more to do with the men of other races/cultures forcing the MEN to marry women they are romantic with, especially if he gets her pregnant. There's no such pressure in our community, unfortunately.

[@rememberableoccassions9079]

Providers and partners can be the same. If a man is a provider and we have certain goals and it takes two people to make it happen. What’s the saying 2 is better than 1.

[@crumbtember]

Fire. The reasons to be invested in human dignity regardless of arbitrary factors is immense ❤️

[@Olivetree00]

FACTS! 🎯

[@beardoodle9835]

YES!!! yes, yes, exactly. 👏👏

[@DonovanNorris-e1j]

You can keep the feminist I rather be with a regular women

[@Bigreek100]

YUP

[@ManicPixieDreamGurl]

Kims earrings are so pretty!

[@frankie8958]

Love Everything you just said....That's what's up❤👊

[@YouTubeUzername]

Wtf? I’m so happy I divested because I needed both. The bar is low af for black men.

[@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242]

Thx the helping the cause. Lol. 😅 Good luck with your rugged individualism though. 😉

[@YouTubeUzername]

@@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242 So happy I could help, thank you so much for the well wishes.

[@zainabyussuf3328]

Right??? I love Kim's content but this short is not it 😢. And I am not even a divestor per se.

[@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242]

@@zainabyussuf3328 Then, in kindness and respect, you don't understand what Kim has been saying this whole time. I encourage you to look up all the successful non-intersectional political movements in US history. God bless. ❤️

[@HakeemIsMyWorld]

The median salary for black people is 40 a year. This is reality most men can't be providers in this economy. I'm not saying you can't go after what you want, but if you are focused on black men, it's looking for a needle in a haystack. Plus marrying with no independence sounds so risky to me! Ever heard of financial abuse? No thank you. Lol I value autonomy.

[@jiffyb333]

Love this!

[@heyoka33]

Not true!

[@mjrtommusic7113]

Damn

[@sargerules20]

I fundamentally agree and have agreed long before i saw this video, but for the men that arent as up to date on "talking points" have a hard time knowing something vs actually accepting something. Its the lil negativity gremlin in everyones head. Hell we all got bad days in the best of times with things you thought you were long through with.

[@rhd244]

To be fair the Kevin Samuels had women on his show that stated they didn't want to play the largest portion of the bills. That was why a lot of women also stated they wanted a guy to make 200k to 500k per year. A blue collar guy making 100k was not good for them

[@tatianadaniel3569]

Sir, women make up half the work force. I think it's unfortunate that men seem not to understand the impression living by "traditional" standards has done on both men and women of today. Women are taught that MEN WANT to be the breadwinner and that if a woman is the breadwinner, she must not be a good woman. We've also been taught by MEN that if we don't want to be wives and mothers EXCLUSIVELY (neglecting the desire of becoming career women), we're not going to be attractive to men. So the women on Kevin Samuels show were most likely operating from those indoctrination. Also, in this socioeconomic era that we're in, for men expecting a "traditional" wife, (depending on where you live, how many children you have, how many cars you have, how much money you already have saved up, whether or not you do well in investing or invest at all, what kinds of food you eat, whether or not you pay rent or a mortgage, the amount of debt you and your significant other are in at the point of meeting, etc.,) $100,000 a year truly is barely enough to not have to panick or fear the next unforseen dilemma.

[@dkt4377]

​@@tatianadaniel3569 exactly what percentage of American men make 6 figures or more per year? Your claim that 100k is barely scrapping by is bogus. People making far less than 100k are having children all the time.

[@tatianadaniel3569]

@@dkt4377 Wait. Don't just be making arguments for the sake of. It's clear as day that most men nor women are making at least one-hundred grand a year. IN CONTEXT, to what the previous commenter stated, if men are expecting traditional women (women who do not work outside of the home/ don't make money), most men will fail miserably trying to take financial care of ALL OF THE aspects of daily living BY HIMSELF if he's not capable of earning at least that much. And per your last claim, people are having children and typically still living in poverty. That's not a flex.

[@dkt4377]

@@tatianadaniel3569 Prior to 1960, the vast majority of married women were stay at home wives. Then 2nd wave feminism came along and convinced women that they must have jobs outside the household so they can have "financial independence"... as a result, about 70-80 yrs ago employers or the labor markets realized that they can pay less wages due to the increased number of workers facilitated by women entering the workforce. Salaries adjusted to the point where less than 26% of all household are able to survive on one income. Women now complain about the reality that they fought for. Now it's impossible to manage on just one income without assistance. Most married households consist of two incomes. For the vast majority of human history, very few people "flexed" through or lived comfortably... most just simply got by. My grand father and mother raised 11 kids in a 3 bedroom house... for some reason modern women believe that they shouldn't have to struggle at all. How many of us would be here were it not for the willingness of previous generations to "not flex." Modern women want traditional men, but they are not traditional either. In my grandfather's era, when he or all of his friends got married, all or the vast majority of their new brides were virgins on their wedding nights. In 2024, a blk man would search in vain for a blk woman who is physically fit, feminine, cooperative, chaste, childless, and still within their prime child-bearing years. The price or demands of what modern women want in a man his increased dramatically, but the quality of the type of women we want or have to pick from has greatly diminished. According to obesity statistics, less than 20% of American blk women are physically fit...

[@dkt4377]

@@tatianadaniel3569 Prior to 1960, the vast majority of married women were stay at home wives. Then 2nd wave feminism came along and convinced women that they must have jobs outside the household so they can have "financial independence"... as a result, about 70-80 yrs ago employers or the labor markets realized that they can pay less wages due to the increased number of workers facilitated by women entering the workforce. Salaries adjusted to the point where less than 26% of all household are able to survive on one income. Women now complain about the reality that they fought for. Now it's impossible to manage on just one income without assistance. Most married households consist of two incomes.

[@samevans1289]

This reminds me of the gist of a quote about how feminists truly see men's potential, how they see them as more than the strict roles and attributes patriarchy has assigned them, as full, complex human brings, capable of self-control, of reason, sensitivity, vulnerability, averse to violence, creative, studious, shy, earnest, faithful, caring, (I want to say something similar to "not gleefully promiscuous", but the only word I can think of rn is "prude", and that's usually used as an insult), and so on.

[@CancerianLadii]

Chiiiiile!!!

[@fibonacchio-matrixjones6064]

Annoying word garbage. Pause pauses my headache.

[@colettehylan19]

So, you're saying,"I understand it's not your fault that you can't be a provider." What exactly is it that you understanding? Why can't he be a provider and who's fault is it?

[@saltlake8]

white supremacy + capitalism (which Kim has talked about in other videos)

[@sofineshesmine]

I love this!

[@taiamrispann-ryan4754]

Big ups to all feminists for holding it down!

[@dkt4377]

Exactly what societies have feminist created. Where are all the successful Matriarchal societies?

[@taiamrispann-ryan4754]

What is successful? Making lots of money? Being really popular? Is that the definition of success? Also, feminism isn't just about creating matriarchies, most feminists I know are egalitarian and the societies they create aren't about just creating a new system of domination but creating a society where ALL voices are valued. Can we say the same about patriachal societies? Well, the answer to that won't matter if that's not considered a metric for success.@@dkt4377

[@VyCityMusic]

I specifically remember being a Patreon member where I’m certain Kim said she’s not even entertaining a man that isn’t a college graduate (which is perfectly fine) but it is more likely that a man who has afforded himself a degree would be able to be financially attractive . I suppose there’s a correlation between ideal intellectual compatibility amongst people who have degrees vs non degree holders ? . Anyway . To each their own I suppose .

[@marcasino3117]

What incentive does a man have to show up and make your life easier? What's the value proposition of such a partnership?

[@nzingalou7556]

If you don’t understand the inherent value of being in a healthy loving relationship with a good woman, than maybe you aren’t heterosexual.

[@hjr228]

​@@nzingalou7556 it's the "healthy" & "good" parts that aren't guaranteed and in turn, require vetting... like asking questions.... and just LOOK how fast those questions weaponized and used in an attempt to emasculate! Can't make this stuff up.

[@chironsthea607]

God be speaking through ForHarriet

[@lunalovebuzz]

Can you discuss Chidera Eggerue's views?

[@jay1603]

Right like are you my partner or my parent???

[@bw5020]

But it's not just a manoaphere

[@jrr7031]

Ok, the caption got me tuning in.

[@robertfarquharson2934]

😂😂😂 Never listen to what a woman says. Follow what she does.

[@tatianadaniel3569]

Same with men. Unfortunately, most men want women to do as they say and not as they do which is not true leadership. That's tyranny.

[@jdmiles4811]

​@@tatianadaniel3569 same goes for women too. So I see no advantages on either side.

[@tatianadaniel3569]

@@jdmiles4811 KZbin won't let me see the comment I made so I don't even know what you're responding to.

[@chelseashurmantine8153]

15:45 that’s shocking

[@chelseashurmantine8153]

35:00 wow. Just wow wow wow

[@raymondkarago3427]

You’re a queen 👸🏾 ✊🏿

[@bmags4188]

I… I feel like this channel has changed

[@carlac9782]

Me too.

[@DominantBlackMaleLeader]

This helps Pookie. It doesn’t help the productive, family oriented black man. I’m a 6 figure man by the way…..see the disconnect? There’s nothing in this community for us…no support and no love 😂

[@fredrika27]

Preach!

[@yoli__]

Men are created to be providers. Centring yourself and stating what you need won’t take away their inherent need and desire to provide and protect for their family. The men need to work this out on their own. But we won’t be choosing them. They need to determine for themselves where their worth and value comes from.

[@JunelliJune]

That was not why men was created that makes no damn sense, there is nothing like men on earth, so that alone debugs this notion.

[@RawNoLimits]

💯

[@luizairinam2136]

[@alladat28]

This is my EX husband and our marriage to a capital T...

[@deeking404]

Insults masked as “help”, yes modern black feminism 😂😂

[@yaseenackerman150]

She's throwing all women under the bus here: 1) feminism should center men. 2) men shouldn’t have to contribute to, well anything. That leaves women right back at square one. She's using "intersectionality" to de-center black women. The opposite of what is was for.

[@cabbage-soup]

i dont think shes throwing women under the bus 1) feminism can include men without centering them. the patriarchy hurts everyone. 2) men do have to contribute. as she says, "just show up and make my life easier." it's a partnership. a relationship is about two people coming together and making each others lives a little easier, a little more bearable.

[@yaseenackerman150]

@@cabbage-soup thanks for sharing your POV here. I would disagree of course. Feminism if it is to be effective, can't include the oppressor class, which is men. Patriarchy hurts men, but the overall net gains for men, keep them deeply invested in perpetuating it: free child care and rearing, just "pay the light bill". Sounds like patriarchy to me...

[@cabbage-soup]

@@yaseenackerman150 i see what you mean but i think it's a little reductive to reduce the patriarchy to oppressor/oppressed. the patriarchy is a prescription of gender norms that are restrictive to both women and men. women may end up with the worse script, but men aren't completely free to do whatever they want either. for instance, men aren't permitted to act in "feminine" ways: they can't be open with their emotions nor affections, which can be isolating. we can't deduce much about who is being oppressed under patriarchy based on who is incentivized to uphold it. it can be argued that conservative/white women have much to gain to keep the patriarchy in place. women who wish to marry "providers" often uphold the same patriarchal gender roles that feminism denounces. however, we all would agree that they are still oppressed under the patriarchy and that their desire to uphold the system, however genuine, cannot help but be misplaced. similarly, the fact that men are incentized to uphold the patriarchy doesn't mean they aren't still oppressed. i think feminism is about releasing all of us from restrictive gender roles. some of us (women for example ;) ) need feminism a lot more than others. but that doesn't mean those with the better end of the stick wouldn't be better off without these restrictions.

[@yaseenackerman150]

@@cabbage-soup Its good that you bring in some nuance, but my position is still solid. It's not just that men are oppressed (by other men mind you). On many levels, men understand this, it's that the net gains are regarded as enough to maintain the system that harms even them. So they are very willing to sacrifice parts of their humanity for those gains. Hence appealing to some kind of mutual oppression won't work. They already know, they've just bargained on the gains. It's the same with poor whites, they know the upper class whites are using them, but as long as they can punch down to blacks and browns, they're happy in that hierarchy.

[@tatianadaniel3569]

​@@cabbage-soup Your responses were so thought-provoking and truly captured the essence of the feminists movement. It's not about centering men, it's about abolishing the system that decenters women while also causing harm to both genders. ❤

[@winmaliyasalifu4500]

Jedi mind tricks... "Partner" is code for modern feminist. "Partner" translation - a uncooperative, argumentative, confrontational, masculine, man-woman. As Flava Flav lamented, "Dont! Don't! Don't believe the hype!"

[@tatianadaniel3569]

Partners- (In the context of romantic couples), two individuals who seek to cultivate, challenge, and improve one another. Two people who seek to outdo one another in acts of service, verbal affirmation, emotional presence, and financial assistance. Of course we understand that every family dynamic is not the same for a myriad of reasons, but most women would rather have a partner because we want to be with someone who values out humanity as much as we value theirs and only two people can do that, not one person and a slave.

[@dkt4377]

The most effective family units are hierarchical. The Bible is very clear regarding the hierarchical structure of a family unit. The husband/father is the leader of the household. His wife is his chief lieutenant. Their children are second class citizens while living in their parent's house.

[@BlackMarvel25]

Oh so now yall don’t care about how much he makes and his money is your money? Yall are so full of crap I swear. Because you’ve already said you won’t respect a black man unless he makes more than you anyway. I specifically remember Kimberly saying that when she talked about the resentment in a relationship between a woman who makes more than her man

[@tatianadaniel3569]

Do most men want to be the breadwinner?

[@H1GHD3FF]

Empty home no ring. Keepbtalking please

[@milesfolley6840]

So here’s a question. If he has a dream, talent, ability and such, will you help him? Because at the core, men are all about growth.

[@tatianadaniel3569]

A the core, women are about growth as well. However, most women have stood by a man and helped him build his business only for him to get on and began to "exercise his options" with women who never looked his way when we were in thr trenches with him. Also, is that man willing to help cultivate her dreams, talents, abilities as much as he wants her to do for him? Also, helping your significant other is not just about making a lot of money. You could just get a platonic business partner if that's the case. Is this person helping to produce patience, selflessness, compassion, mercy, a zeal for learning, integrity, a better spiritual life, humility in you? I think this is why women prefer a partner over a provider. Men seem to think it's a one way street and that's what causes us to feel like we're being used rather than loved and respected.

[@jdmiles4811]

​@@tatianadaniel3569 "Most women have stood by a man and helped him build his business" Before or after they established a business? Did they help them make the blueprint that will soon be the foundation or did they show up after the business has been built? Stop the cap 🧢

[@dkt4377]

​@@jdmiles4811 Mostly, women wait at the finish line and pursue the winners... they do not want a "build-a-Bob" type of guy that have to go through the struggle with... they want the finished product.

[@jdmiles4811]

@@dkt4377 Exactly,

[@hjr228]

​@@tatianadaniel3569most? Can you cite where you got these numbers from?

[@mark01ization]

You are good with doing your makeup I'll give you that.

[@hjr228]

The Manosphere wasnt even a thing 5-10 years ago. I was a child in the 90s hearing female rappers sharing these same ideologies. Yall gotta stop claiming to be strong and autonomous when whenever ANY ACCOUNTABILITY is brought to you, it immediately becauses a man's fault.

[@tm7517]

I don’t care about the manosphere, I don’t care about what you heard in the 90’s from female rappers. And the word accountability is word that twists your ugly beliefs. You don’t want to control women you just want to hold them accountable. That’s how you all twist it. But you won’t see it because you are a bigot. You have bigoted beliefs about women.

[@XaraK1]

Manosphere in its current iteration has been around since 2008

[@hjr228]

@@XaraK1 as a grown man, in a major city that organized events I literally heard not even a reference to a supposed manosphere. Do you have any references or supporting evidence??

[@JaylaHolder]

No sis we demanded child support, that's not getting settled.

[@beardoodle9835]

Child support is a different story. She's not talking about that.

[@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242]

​@@beardoodle9835Exactly. Yes, everyone should actively participate in the raising of their children, both financially and with time/effort spent. But yea, this ain't related to child support at all.

[@JaylaHolder]

​@@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242yes it is because that's the main thing that these men are complaining about in regards to BW. They never took BW out to nice restaurants.What else would they be complaining about. 😮

[@bdott1538]

@@JaylaHolderno, they complain that BW want a BM with a 6 figure income.

[@Trolly.Troll.]

That’s what y’all say in public, but behind closed doors it’s a different story. 🤫

[@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242]

Projecting your personal relationship problems onto Kim or any other person is not going to help you, bro. Do your part to help change the expectations in the community. That's all you can do. Fyi, women are not a monolith just as we aren't. Some women are hypocrites, some aren't. Same with anyone. Hang in there, support actual intersectional feminists like Kim and others and hopefully you'll meet a real one irl looking to link up.

[@kahlilbt]

I read two books by Black Womanists and I KNEW that I had to fall in line. The liberation of black women really is about and for all of us

[@logicalman1172]

The matriarchy have done a great job in the community since mass incarceration removed the fathers from the homes for government assistance and prison labor. So thank you sincerely for the survival of our race 💯, but this generation of men are different and want the opportunity to lead their homes, is that too much to ask for without being called names ? If you slander one group of men for decades on media and your emotions are not valued, you lose some trust in the genuineness of the women in your community. Divestors if black men dont qualify for you why spend your energy talking about the men you dont want ? Help the women get commitments 💍. Black men if you want a woman with traditional values you may have to get a black woman out of this country. Problem solved can we move on now and talk about more important issues.

[@jamdoll8660]

Passports are about $300. Happy travels.

[@logicalman1172]

@jamdoll8660 naw, that's them trips to Jamaica.

[@bdott1538]

@@logicalman1172well, go get yours and Bon voyage 👋

[@SureYoureRight]

I thought criminal activity removed men from their homes? How did my daddy manage to stay out of prison?🤔 recently engaged to a progressive modern man and while I do agree that no one should change their standards to appease others, let’s just make sure we qualify for those standards before making demands! A lot of men want to lead women straight to the pits of hell! You can’t lead going 50/50. Traditional men have never had a problem finding traditional women! It’s modern men who cherry pick traditional values that have a problem finding a traditional wife!

[@dkt4377]

​@@SureYoureRight Traditional woman in the West are rare... Men like purity, if a man desired a virgin now a day's to marry, he would search in vain. In my grandfather's day, when he and his fellow high school friends married, just about all of them had virgins on their wedding night. This was before the sex liberation movement of the 1960s. Men want women who are fit, feminine, cooperative, chaste, childless and still within their prime child-bearing years.