How Blizzard SOLVED The MMO Problem

[@Preachgaming]

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[@henrythegreatamerican8136]

Destiny 2? Uhh.... didn't even know that game was still a thing.

[@marcodeluca8784]

WoW has shitty graphic with target system, has not combat, is garbage.

[@keats27]

@@marcodeluca8784 WoW has good graphics (though cartoonish), with ROCK SOLID performance. IT's a billion $ a year game--with good lore.

[@marcodeluca8784]

@@keats27 Ahahah

[@marcodeluca8784]

@@keats27 target system is for idiots 🤣

[@legendofzoro5825]

On a completely different side note, haven't watched you since the PG days and god damn have you lost some weight and look better dude.

[@mikev5486]

Cause he stopped only playing wow 7/365 8-12 hours a day

[@LalaDepala_00]

​@@mikev5486Right, I am sure that's it. And not a better diet and working out 😅 I play WoW and go to the gym

[@LebusOchardo]

Preach Looking Sharp!

[@Aybo1000]

He does. But that hair transplant did not workout.

[@notorious70]

i like seein the OG gamer generation lookin healthy and creating a universe i can also be older and be a gamer

[@lost1head]

As someone who likes to watch multiple hours long video essays I was so surprised to hear that a 14 minute video is already very long lol

[@unhappycat3935]

Thats just youtube in a nutshell for you

[@mrraynewman]

This man is very good at informing!!

[@rossker123]

yes but if you break it into two videos you can get two sponsors in

[@shoresd1]

unfortunately, that's where we are as the general public consuming content. short to the point, Contant is what most people are consuming nowadays.

[@TheZeagon]

@@shoresd1 i disagree half the people i follow on youtube still drop 2 hour essays on video games all the time lmao

[@khinzaw77]

The WoW bubble reminds me a lot of how Disney builds their parks. They fill it with everything they believe a customer could want with the intention that the customer never feels they need something from outside the park and thus spends all their money within.

[@Ngontih]

just like any good casino

[@jurica_spindl7692]

The war within? 😮

[@Anudorini-Talah]

Just play on Turtle WoW. Best WoW

[@nexarr]

no, just other MMOs are shit if you compare them to WoW and there is no competition for people who actually pay attention to the game quality and feeling

[@khinzaw77]

@@nexarr That's why there are no other successful MMOs. Oh wait.

[@aman2424]

ESO Sponsored this WoW commercial? Part 2 must be a banger

[@Alteredfrenzy]

Same company, a sub is a sub except for when it is a microtransaction.

[@AkiRa22084]

@@Alteredfrenzy lol, I totally forgot M$ bought both... murican anti-trust laws are a scam...

[@rattlehead999]

Well they are both owned by microsoft, so 13$ is 13$

[@Hyperion-i9e]

é tudo a mesma empresa

[@Anudorini-Talah]

Just play on Turtle WoW. Best WoW

[@AlmightStick]

Maaan you mentioning Wildstar just opened up old wounds. They killed themselves off before it even had a chance to live. Coupled with financial issues from the publisher, all but sealed its fate.

[@deckerfranks7098]

Hurt my soul almost as much as knowing it'll never get a proper alternative server and NC soft is too dumb to try to re-release it.

[@Navi_xoo]

Wildstar had a LOT of great content it's pathetic they could not keep the servers up or at least somehow help people run private servers.

[@Paultootall1971]

Think i saw someone doing a youtube about a private server the other day, not something I played historically but it came up in my feed, try looking it up

[@calebcasual]

Still own the box played a grand total of 20 minutes lol. Few years ago I reinstalled and had no idea it shut down , was really looking forward to getting into it.

[@lens_hunter]

It wasnt even an overall problem with the game. It was the devs. The F2P launch was AWFUL. It was their chance to get people back and they fucked it up massively.

[@fabiusque4266]

I think the whole ecosystem Blizzard created might help with keeping the experienced people engaged, it doesnt help with the new player struggle or community behavior issue, as well as the boosting community situation.

[@Jayceiscool]

also they did so much permanent damage to the lore that a lot of people will never come back

[@evilmex1962]

boosting situation? they can play sod, dont see problem

[@UltimateGamerCC]

they intend to fix the NPE as soon as they can, but with the NPE turning to Dragonflight in a couple months, that will at least have the NPE in a better state than it is right now.

[@HotaruGlaive]

@@Jayceiscool Telling me I'm being "kept in their ecosystem" sounds like some matrix shit which makes me even less interested in returning.

[@aerialdive]

@@Jayceiscool the fact that there is no way for me to play the pre-catalyst content in retail is one of the main reasons i refuse to play the game

[@Valcreee]

Let’s give RuneScape some credit for sparking this industry wide shift towards rehashing classic content

[@DivinumX]

The Nostalrius domino-effect is growing ever more consequential.

[@shh532]

It's a great principle in theory... but it hinges on being interested in the WoW bubble to begin with, which a lot of people have sworn off. Great if you're a long term player who can pick their favourite era, but there's nothing really for new players/actual growth. And nothing for truly new content/a future for a lot of these ventures. I think the unspoken extra side of this is something a lot of people have feared with the Worldsoul Saga, essentially Retail is just getting big patches that can fit this new cadence. This is the slow, actual managed decline of WoW, where the themepark is no longer the zones but physically the MMO itself.

[@-.-Monster]

all they're doing with worldsoul saga is taking out the content luls that happen at the end of expacs.. so instead of 4 months of the same repeated content at the end of the expansion, we just go to the next expansion.

[@Xero_Kaiser]

I don't think new players/growth is something that Blizzard can realistically expect at this point. It's been 20 years. Anyone who gives the slightest fuck about WoW has already played it.

[@FAMIB]

@@Xero_Kaiser You'd think so but I constantly run into new players within the guide system and even some people I know IRL have taken up the game without having played it before. It still pulls in new players and I think the reason mostly comes down to streamers, and events like MDI, AWC and RWF.

[@cattysplat]

@@FAMIB Us old heads really are a bunch of doomers. Young people are playing our favourite games all the time, they're popular games with fun gameplay for a reason. You just don't notice them when your chasing ingame chores or only raidlogging with the rosters. The sprout system in FFXIV actually lets you notice them which is huge for helping both veterans and newbies get together.

[@lazer9870]

cata suffered as the classic team is not capable of working on classic and sod at the same time. Cata fixes have vanished as all focus is on saving sod from failure.

[@alexclaton]

all the fomo/seasonal stuff makes me not want to play. why on earth would i want to play something i might enjoy only to have it taken away?

[@belstar1128]

yea i had enough of that type of game design

[@Ty-oe4dr]

its far better now compared to bfa/shadowlands and even legion but it still sucks to be on a seasonal rotation. wow worked best when blizz just continued releasing patches to tell a narrative through dungeons, raids and questlines and then released the next expansion only when they finished that narrative

[@leinonibishop9480]

once you earn something you keep it, nothing is taken away. you may not be able to get it after the season is over but if you play during the season you keep whatever you earned.

[@JohanHultin]

@@Ty-oe4dr what is better? Remix? Season of Master/Discovery? compared to.. what, exactly?

[@SticksAandstonesBozo]

It’s a fantastic business model. Make stuff people hate and complain about. Stuff that you openly agree is what is killing the genre. But just keep making it.

[@carrot4759]

as someone who has tried to play all 3 versions of wow (retail, sod, cata) its very hard to avoid burnout and to me it comes down to personally deciding which versions to drop in favour of the others. i stopped playing sod and cata aside from logging in to level every now and then to avoid massive burnout. not to say all the blame is on players if theyre burned out b/c blizzard def does release a lot of things in a very short window which feels super stressful if you want to play all 3

[@joshua_lee732]

My solution is to just play one version at a time.

[@Ryotsu2112]

I can’t play any version of WoW anymore. Played since 2004 launch and dipped into every single expansion except for Dragonflight, and I have zero motivation to even go back now. I tested my theory when I got 3 free days to try Plunderstorm from a twitch streamer recently, and that simply killed the desire to ever put down a cent to play anymore. Nothing old or new caught my fancy in that 3 day period, the nostalgia dried up so long ago that it’s just a dream of a bygone era.

[@josejuanandrade4439]

@@Ryotsu2112 Funny, i been playing since 2004 and im not bored at all. But i pretty much just stick to retail, since i dont see a need to replay all the content i did already play for years. Plunderstorm was a blast tho, once i got the hang of it and went in with a mentality of not caring if i win or not, kinda like i used to back in 2006 when i was grinding for rank 14. MoP remix was fun to play for a little bit. I got all the xmog i wanted in like 2 or 3 days and called it a day there. I always get invite to the alpha, and TWW was no exception, but i only tested the changes in talents as i dont wanna spoil thoe whole expansion for myself, maybe that's why i am not bored of the game? Who know, maybe diferent mindset? DF was good, actualy realy good imo. I had a lot of fun, and i can't wait for TWW to launch. Currently i am getting a batch alts to 70, i have like 10 alts or so i dont realy play, and are my like grind characters,, characters i use to grind things like pets or xmog, that i leave parked in front of a special rare or raid, and don't realy touch or lvl till the end of an expansion.

[@Bouncebeatz1]

​@Ryotsu2112 actually agree with you being out of the game playing daily since legion went back for bfa thinking something about pvp would change but played enough to know I was over it

[@double_joseph327]

@@Ryotsu2112I’ve been playing wow as long as you and you hit the nail on the head. I’m convinced these long time wow players aren’t even having fun anymore. They just don’t know what to do at this point. This panda remix thing is boring trash. The game is just terrible now. Classic is cool but I’ve played it so many times I’m out. I’m bored of hardcore even. Blizzard just needs to come out with a new mmo entirely but honestly that wouldn’t help. New mmos are bad to. They ruined the entire genre. It’s all about participation trophies there is no challenge anymore. Imagine Elden ring, from soft, made an mmo. That would be amazing.

[@MadnessRealm]

I'm not sure I agree that WoW solved the MMO problem. Nothing has really changed, players are just spread across different versions of WoW, which isn't necessarily a good thing in the long run because it still leaves players to disconnect from their friends as they go about playing different versions from each other. Also, those versions of WoW still use the same formulas that WoW used for the last 20 years, just with some differences for special modes like SoD, etc. so the risk of burnout is still very much present. The main thing WoW has I think is nostalgia at this point. People who grew up on WoW have trouble enjoying other MMOs because they do certain things differently from WoW, so they always end up going back to WoW. It's not because other MMOs are bad or worse than WoW. The simple fact that those other MMOs are not like WoW is enough to discourage WoW players from playing them. But as someone who didn't grow up with WoW as their main MMO, trying to play WoW is often jarring because it feels like they've abandoned anyone that's not part of the existing core playerbase. With all that said, I think the MMO problem is unsolvable. The best you can do is to just delay the inevitable by delivering good content that makes players want to experience it.

[@mans51]

Yeah, additionally, the games story progression is a complete mess, in retail with chromie time, not to mention dragonflight is very obtuse with how many questlines come up at once due to catch up mechanics. Really, though, the key areas where current WoW stumbles most are developing a healthy community and reasonable difficulty scaling. There's way too many versions of any one raid. There's a reason why WoW did so well in the early stages, like preach said, because it was easy and communication was emphasised due to lack of built-in group finders. Now I'm not saying we should remove group finder or anything, but they need to put more effort into developing tools to help guilds and server communities flourish.

[@kyrias9391]

Well said.

[@belstar1128]

yea i was like that for a long time too like some mmos got things like player housing and 50 classes but no swimming mechanics or mounts or even wow style quests .i used to think it was weird when a game didn't have features like that but now i am fine with it because it has other cool things that are not in wow and i thought wow was weird too when i first played it compared to runescape i didn't even get the concept of classes and healers and tanks back then and despite being more advanced than runescape in most ways . it had no player housing and you couldn't chop down trees for some reason .

[@cattysplat]

MMOs spent 15 years trying to copy WoW only to find that becoming a WoW clone still got you ignored and abandoned by WoW addicts anyway. If they had stuck to making unique gameplay they would have kept their fans and given bored burned out WoW players a desire to play something completely different.

[@double_joseph327]

@@cattysplatI mean ffxiv is doing well but honestly it’s not an mmo to me. I put over 400 hours in that game. It’s a single player game with occasional dungeon or meeting people in towns.

[@FloMinicHD]

No, don't remind me, that we don't have wildstar anymore 😢 Still my favourite mmo by far

[@neileo1540]

i almost thought everyone had forgotten it! i was so sad when it died, it felt so good to play

[@Rhanith]

@@phandaal Sorry what? it wasnt Carbine that ruined the thing, it actualy was NC Soft who broke the studio down and forced them to shut down.

[@Rhanith]

@@phandaal Source?

[@dreamermagister8561]

9:25 sounded like a dystopia for some reason

[@ItsMorphinTime1518]

Blizzard could easily make more money by keeping one "era server" for each finished Classic expansion (one TBC era server, one Wotlk era server, etc), so that everyone can play any expansion at any time. And of course, players could always have the possibility to transfer their classic era characters to the next era expansion for free OR pay to duplicate the character (so that one version of the character stays on the current era server and the other version of the character is transfered to the next era expansion).

[@faru4182]

Just wait till classic panda's rerereopening

[@gregmoore803]

Life is full of choices, the choices offered at the end sounded a lot better than "I forgot to do Torghast". Having too many fun things to choose from is a waaaaay different problem than having too many chores to do.

[@vyper695]

Everquest has been doing this for years in the form of their time locked progression servers. It works and it works very well.

[@rainerwahnsinn2150]

I like that at 8:30 there is exactly zero overlap between all three. Perfectly drawn :-)

[@zapspiders92]

I've already hit that overload point. I basically am a weekend gamer and I haven't bothered to even try sod because I know I just won't have the time to play essentially 2 mmos

[@nyem961]

Where is the animated clip from that starts at 11:27?

[@Erik_Arnqvist]

RuneScape has had seasonal and "classic+" for a long time with great success. Nice that Blizzard is picking up on the trend but they didn't solve shit. Oh hey maybe someone can point at older examples than RuneScape even, nothing is new under the sun.

[@jonallen726]

Oh man, that Total Pwnage clip. The nostalgia, World of Warcraft is a feeling, much like being forced to admit I'm now that old

[@Vanquinho]

I was NOT expecting to see Pure Pwnage clips this day

[@cattysplat]

Also highlights just how ancient WoW is and uh, many of us are. 19 years ago.

[@powercheif]

The nostalgia hit so hard from that clip

[@TheZeagon]

i still dont know how i came across pure pwnage when i was like 10-11 but my god it still lives rent free in my head

[@TheMrkalkbrenner]

Jeremy and Doug were the GOATS back in the days

[@phantasm5347]

I literally can't think of a one person I know that plays WoW who would play more than one version of the game at a time. Everyone I know is either playing retail and ditching classic or playing classic and ditching retail.

[@snuffeldjuret]

I don't even engage in stuff like classic tbc, I'm an old world classic andy, but I also don't play much. SoD phase 1 was fun, hc was fun etc.

[@nohobo95]

I'm playing cata classic and retail. Now you know one 😂

[@jellybull]

@@nohobo95 Same.

[@leinonibishop9480]

i'm playing sod, hardcore, and panda remix currently. I really enjoy the fact that there are so many options and different ways to play.

[@Dularr]

I played both.

[@Towelietowel]

Unfortunately for Blizzard, there's really nothing they can do to bring me back at this point. I came back briefly for the launch of vanilla classic and again for the launch of SoD, but left after a few weeks when the nostalgia wore off. First, my love for the Warcraft Universe is dead. They killed it with BfA and SL. I just don't care anymore. Second, the worst part of WoW isn't the game, it's the community. After experiencing so many other gaming communities, I realized that WoW's is not "normal" and it's not something I want to revisit.

[@brkus2665]

Which MMO has this amazing community?

[@MyndZero]

Yep I second this a lot, the way they handled the lore was the final straw that broke the camel's break to me. I even jumped in on the DF trial they did, played the first few levels and was just outright bored with it, I didn't care the world I was playing in anymore. The future going forward on Retail just isn't something I'm looking forward too anymore. I don't even think the devs have really changed either, they are doing some things people like but overall are just making less controversial design choices on the game that makes it look like they are doing better - MoP Remix drama has a good example of them not having changed at all. It would legitimately take a WoW 2 to bring me back properly I think, perhaps a classic+ since I vibe with that era of the game far more nowadays since it feels like a world you adventure in and less of a game that's trying to put you on it's hamster wheel.

[@belstar1128]

yea they keep making bad moves and never learn

[@snuffeldjuret]

@@MyndZero the only two mmos I ever played I played because I cared about the world. Warcraft and Lord of the Rings. To me, that is the most important thing.

[@double_joseph327]

@@MyndZerohamster wheel is the perfect analogy for what retail wow is. Same with FFXIV. It’s like they are so afraid for people to go on their own. They need to force you to stay on the path so they can calculate how much money they will make lol. I hate what MMOs have become. Bring back classic wow but a new game! Is it really that hard to make??

[@Alvadar65]

9:10 on the subject of "no one else can do this" Runescape has been doing it for years now and with more successful seasons to boot. Like its a good structure for an MMO experience, but at the same time I dont think that Blizzard are totally aware of how best to design this type of experience. They should be taking notes from places like runescape for this kind of structure but they dont really seem to be. In addition there are games like FFXIV that dont follow this structure, and yet do just fine. Better than fine in fact. It just feels strange to say that they have solved the MMO problem, when others have already done their solution better and other competitors have also not done this and also still been doing gangbusters. I urge you to look at RS3/OSRS/OSRS Seasonal structure, because its exactly this ecosystem, and they have been doing it for a long while and very successfully.

[@cattysplat]

It's more of a doubling down on having a deathgrip on WoW's remaining audience. Desperate to not let anyone else go with relentless FOMO and distraction. "Please don't look at the competition! Look a new shiny thing you'll miss out on." It doesn't bring in new players and really isn't anything new from Retail's relentless chores of old.

[@larrylovestein2696]

Came here to comment this about Runescape but had to make sure no one beat me to it! So true though! Can't give the credit to blizz at all for that one lol

[@metnoch]

GW2 is my drug!

[@jeroendhaan]

Whats the trailer of around 11:40? Its an art style I havent seen before.

[@talisredstar1543]

I think the oversaturation has hit. Between wrath into Cata, Sod phases, and Retail. I found I just don't have the time to play it all, oh and MoP remix. I've had to drop SoD, so that I could finish up toons on Retail. I still want to play Cata, and so I have to spend time there, I played Remix for a bit, but the grind I saw before me has kind of cause me to put that down. So I've been focusing on Retail and Cata. It is a nice problem to have, having TOO much WoW to play, compared to the past, But it is still a problem.SoD phase 4 is coming out, and I played none of phase 3. I still want to get some things in Remix, but having to spam Mplus to upgrade gear on Retail toons takes alot of time. I'm also in the Beta for TWW and I put some time in there, but yet again Retail is my main game, and between it and Cata i've had to just sidline alot of things.

[@GoddessPallasAthena]

Same. I feel overwhelmed and feel like I can't do things I want to do. I hated Plunderstorm (and just didn't do it - very grindy, not fun, but missed out on some mogs). I enjoyed Remixed, but heard about the toxicity of level 70 group content for anyone who preferred to get goodies (the REASON I even play Remix) over upgrades. I don't mean RAIDS, but rather Heroic dungeons. So again, it's THAT community again. But I'm also trying to get stuff done in Retail. I wish they hadn't dropped Remix about the same time that Season 4 began. I have busy friends who can't get much done at all since there's just too much to do. Burnout is real.

[@Planetdune]

But Remix IS Retail... All the items transfer over at the end to retail.

[@MontajBlaze]

Remix is so easy, especially group content. Skipping phases like crazy left and right. And bliz already doubled the bronze output from Caches. Its actually the *least* burnout I've felt with WoW in ages.

[@Joe-ti7qd]

I tried to come back but it's all wayyyyyy to overwhelming for me. Hard pass. Regret buying the war within for 90 bucks. They got me good. Dang.

[@Freestyle80]

why the hell do you need to play it all its diferent versions for different people play what you like seriously people like you will ruin something for everyone because you cant no life it

[@paintingbutterflies3056]

Preach : this video is already very very long (14min) Me : watches 1 hour + long videos on a daily basis I definitely wouldn’t mind a longer video lol

[@zubrhero5270]

Innit. My weekly Cultaholic wrestling podcast, if they're over 4 hours, the comments section rejoice rather than complain.

[@reffa2858]

Remember, the Algorithm considers more that 10 minutes as long. I personally like a good deep dive no matter the topic. Even if the video takes me a couple days to finish.

[@paintingbutterflies3056]

@@reffa2858 really, that short to be considered a long video, interesting🤔.And same I love a good deep dive.

[@Freestyle80]

not everyone is jobless like you

[@jmt.7322]

Ironically enough, this solution for player retention is a nightmare to player acquisition. A curse in disguise.

[@cattysplat]

Or they could just, you know, make a good game, make good content patches and let players naturally come and go instead of a subscription deathgrip with FOMO seasons. Maybe let players give a way to make their own content, player housing, encouraging socialising, helping new players.

[@jmt.7322]

@@cattysplat you're preaching to the choir!

[@renesiklenka4139]

@@cattysplat So basically how it work in GW 2

[@Silasftww]

Where is that cinematic from at 11:45 ? :O

[@vjmtz]

The WoW bubble is exactly why I don't play WoW. It's a series of the same game with different modes basically. Not my style and I don't think adding modes "solves the MMO problem" as I don't see it as a problem to get bored with any game after awhile, no matter the gameplay or story. The idea that a MMO or any game has to have players engaged for infinity is a pretty ridiculous. Its not a problem that a game's appeal changes.

[@HotaruGlaive]

It solves the MMO problem by making a series of pens to keep their sheep in. LMAO

[@vjmtz]

​@@HotaruGlaive Exactly! I don't need to feel branded and trapped to pay to play. I can do that myself without the BS.

[@belstar1128]

it solves the problem some mmos have but in a bad way its like a worse version of the osrs concept

[@cattysplat]

If you didn't feel FOMO before, now imagine trying to play 4-5 different versions of the same game to ensure you don't miss out on collecting everything. You push your players too much they will burnout or just stop caring when they inevitably fail to keep up with the grind.

[@Navi_xoo]

@@HotaruGlaive I think WoW is great if you play it as a casual game. Unironically. Most people who play the game do not care about the lore or base game and seem to only think high end M+ or Mythic raiding exist. It definitely could be better and they've made some big mistakes but there's a reason it's the most popular MMORPG by a large margin.

[@itztehendd]

*Entire foothold of the MMO Genre change* In my head: "The drums of war, thunder once again"

[@mesuchang]

Solved is a very strong word for what was presented in this video.

[@GosetsuDaito]

How to save you 14 minutes: - If you like Season of Discovery: GG, you got scammed by Blizzard for playing rehashed content - If you don't like Season of Discovery and play something new instead somewhere else: congrats

[@Brekner]

A game being an MMO used to be a selling point to me 12-15 years ago. Now it's like "Oh, I would love to play this, too bad it's not a single player game"

[@jakubpelikan2393]

Then you should just stop playing. No to ruin game for rest of us.

[@shadowlife15]

@@jakubpelikan2393 They probably don't, I know a lot of people have quit WoW over the last couple years.

[@HotaruGlaive]

@@jakubpelikan2393 If "ruin game for rest of us" is saying they don't want to play WoW or MMO's? Then you need to get off the internet as you are much too sensitive.

[@poorpriest4549]

@@shadowlife15 I literally know almost 10 full guilds that left the game.

[@zigzera7757]

@@jakubpelikan2393 he never even said wow needed to change just that his preferences did why are you going full agro on him, honestly its what id expect from someone who wants to prop up a company that has deep d you for several years now sayin things like who cares they be back next expansion and have ruin the game eco by selling gold themselves

[@Flummiification]

a mmo has to feel alive. both by player count and content. it is way nicer to have little updates more often than rarer big ones. it gives the world a feel of reality where every day something happens not all at once. plus old content tends to get used only for a expansion and after that lies absolutely dormant. things like thorgast or island expeditions. they seem on a great way to invest the time and effort to give the game the life it deserves and using it's potential.

[@99range92def]

3:12 osrs isn't "doing great" its doing better than it ever has and is a 20 year old game and in the top 3 most played mmos.

[@JuicyJonesHQ]

Whoa I can’t believe you got through that without mentioning Star Wars Galaxies, it really is a new era if we’ve stopped hammering on that lesson

[@dawningmoment]

They didn't solve the MMO problem. They lived long enough to recycle it.

[@shadowmil]

Very interesting that Preach is saying all of this, and that WoW is the only one that can do it. When Jagex/Runescape have been doing this for years. Not only do they have two versions of their game, they also release seasonal servers that have things like boosted XP and some fresh twist on the world, ironman game mode for people who want to stretch the main game's content even further. While all solving the problem of daily/weekly content by just having pretty much all of the game's content available all the time. No daily quests or weekly resets in OSRS. Really don't see anything at all that WoW is doing that wasn't first done by OSRS.

[@zimattack9994]

I miss the pirates of the Caribbean online it had real fun black flang style combat

[@sLdHavoc]

Somewhat off topic but the few clips of Ion in this video made me realize how much I have liked his interviews in the last 3 or 4 years. Taking accountability for things and actually seeming to want to/ be trying to connect with and understand the players

[@kimaclaret]

Oi, Pure Pwnage. We're so old.

[@steve81937]

That show was so good!

[@gala5000]

I wont lie this last couple months was a lot of content that launched right at once and it was pretty overwhelming kinda wished they were spread out a bit more.

[@Loinuss]

Looking good dude, skinny king! 👑

[@naejimba]

My dude has the hair, he's losing weight and looks like he's been working out. I'm happy for him.

[@niklasstahl98]

Not skinny, just strong and healthy

[@tylersibley1]

Its been my observation from playing in a pretty large guild that when people go play in a different "Bubble", ie. Retail->Classic, that they tend to stick to the content in that bubble and ignore any obligations that they had in the other. People trying to keep up in multiple bubbles seems to be the extreme exception.

[@tylersibley1]

But that could be a feature of the guild that I am apart of, as we've created communities in each of the bubbles and allow members to flow seamlessly from one to the other as they prefer.

[@Ryoushi_Akanagi]

I disagree. The advantage of WoWs approach is also its downfall. I quit Classic because the dev team cannot handle SoD nor Era. Era and Hardcore are now being affected by updates to SoD. SoD itself has lost a lot of its glamour. The disadvantage is that they do not fully focus on delivering one single good product. Instead they rely on the idea that they can just juggle the player from one mediocre product to another. Era has a lot of problems that could be addressed with proper focus. ( Botting and Boosting ) SoDs development team - frankly - seems like complete amateurs. They mess up way more than they get right. And I am not interested in retail. I dont hate it, its just not my game. So I disagree that WoW "solved" any problem. They simply exchanged one problem for another. They should look at why people were so hungry for Classic. Its because Classic was monumental game made with extreme effort, money and time. Its because they hyper-focused on getting one single product. Thats what made it so good that you can just re-release it 20 years later and find success with it.

[@vicalzadillas]

I disagree with this being a solution, it's literally "well you don't enjoy WoW, then go play something else" that's what I've been doing for the last 10 years. Although I don't doubt this formula may appeal a lot of players, it's not for me, I wanna feel comfortable dedicating to one MMORPG that respects my time as a consumer instead of just adding pointless grind just to make me pay for more subscription time to finish it instead of making an actual game loop or challenging content to aim for.

[@MALITH666]

Hey Blizzard if you are watching this video. I am one of those people Mike mentiones at the end, who plays a lot of the modes and still have to go through life. That 30'ish release window is definitely too tight. YUP. If you could pace things out a little bit more would be nice. Like its a bit of a hell nowdays, work, family, Retail, Remix, Cata and so on. Its millions times better than doing the SL season 1 dailies in Maw and choreghast. But again, you could ease off the pace a tiny bit.

[@JonScottishSoul]

What's the game at 9:45? I love the looks of it!

[@daze4135]

A month late but it's guild wars 2

[@bokolisprime3437]

Game feels like a job. I have a job. I dont need another job! Thank you! As far as I can remember a game should be fun for the players playing it right?

[@chadlineage]

same boat luv mmorpg gaming but no matter what eventually we get behind and the jobless and richkids dominates attending every events 24/7 which some streamers pretend that its normal for everybody to dishout like 12 hours a day to be ftp relevant.

[@alesadamek1023]

God you people are so tiring. I sometimes think you're getting paid for such stupid comments.

[@maxpowers4436]

Then dont play? The game has felt less like a job basically nothing is "mandatory" apart from the standard gear aquiring like any game. Whats happening is you are getting old.

[@bokolisprime3437]

@@maxpowers4436 ty dude , so if someone expressing a different opinion he must stop playing a game ? Thats the sollution for you ? Yes I grew up but I am playing this game since 2004 so my comment had not any trace of negativity, but on the contrary it was because i would like to get my old spark again in a different way maybe ,more.modernized and that would be all ! So stop commenting to people you dont know and mind your own business. The fact that I had to really explain all this , is the reason mmorpgs are dying .... Gg Fanboy!! Abd ty for your advice

[@twall4381]

@@bokolisprime3437 you are just old and jaded, WoW is easily the most accessible mmo that is not dogshit.

[@cattysplat]

A fellow Neocron player here from back in the day, played on Saturn and Pluto (1 character servers are still a cool idea). Even back then, a small MMO like Neocron could still have success with a dedicated fanbase of only a few thousand players, you don't need millions to have a good time and the love of a game can go on for decades, as long as there's a way to play it. The dream of the perfect MMO FPS is still out there and never been realised.

[@TheChunkeyNinja]

For those commenting, Mike definitely thought this video was longer when he recorded it 😂. In any case adding on the second half would have been too long in one video.

[@Negatigger]

I'm simply at a point of my life where I can't dedicate time to an MMO like Wow. Exhausted, limited on free time and the idea I would have to do virtual "chores" when I can't muster the willpower to do IRL ones just drains me before I even log. To hell with their ecosystem. You'd have be jobless and endless time/energy to keep playing WoW, even just retail.

[@bananajoe9951]

I don't like splitting my time on different characters across different WoWs. There's just too many versions of WoW that I don't feel like playing anymore.

[@anthonyzarfati3579]

Why not just pick 1 at a time?

[@thodorosxanthopoulos]

​@@anthonyzarfati3579what are you crazy?

[@ConsKitchen]

Looking slim Mike! Great to catch up.

[@redshanks7984]

Isn't this too one-sided optimism without offering any counter arguments? Are we going to neglect the fact that having 4 different versions of WoW has divided an already segmented community even further? That the quality of all the game modes has lowered due to the fact that they must QA and develop 4x the amount of content? I get he is optimistic about Blizzard but a more balanced, unbias look at the pros and the cons of such an endeavor would have been more useful.

[@snuffeldjuret]

I didnt play retail before and I never will. They added me as an intermediate wow classic (old world) player. How is that a bad thing?

[@Drakshl]

​@@86Corvus except retail success is also increasing and many classic and retail players play both. If you dont like it thats okay but many many many people LOVE retail. I cant play classic, its too dull. It doesn't engage or challenge me in the way retail can.

[@maxpowers4436]

Split player bases is such a dumb meme braindead comment. Let people play the version of the game they want.

[@PalhacoCapitalista]

The company will see this "segmented comunity" as one blob of money going into their account, that's how they measure success.

[@ramphastos1]

11:31 anyone knows where this clip came from?

[@1CaptainFunk1]

Mans did wowgrandma dirty with that clip.

[@Fredsta4christ]

lmaooo

[@lawlshawk]

EQ solved this problem with TLP... Shocker Holly now runs the WoW Classic Team

[@md-sl1io]

still havent solved the bears on a hill problem, kill 10 bears to get to the top of a hill and then an npc there gives u a quest to kill 10 bears

[@snuffeldjuret]

I think quests like that has to be retired. The original idea of wow had it right, have quests direct people to new areas and prepare them for dungeons etc. Have the grind focus more on professions, exploration and group content. Boring quests are so bad for replayability.

[@jakobjensen3424]

The bubble makes it so I'd constantly be getting gear. I unsubbed because I can't stand getting gear, I just wanna have chill mythic raid nights, I don't care for gearing up, I just wanna raid log. And it's not like I can't get BiS, I just don't want to do it again, whenever I already did it 6 times. It simply takes too much time.

[@Slipfish]

Lol WoW literally is the worst of the big 3 for utilizing its old content. Blizzard has taken huge steps to sucking less, but this ain't it.

[@GhostOfTazio]

that make love not warcraft episode really takes me back

[@danthreadgold9975]

Preach i love you, and WoW however I'm afraid that Jagex, with their game Runescape had most of these ideas before Blizzard did. Re-releasing 'Old school Runescape' enabled them to keep customers in their eco-system.

[@AdmiralCapybara]

I'm still sad about the death of WildStar.

[@Intersept]

The players solved the mmo problem for Blizzard. We just left.

[@Iggypox]

And then we returned.

[@jacobshaw9820]

You left, but you're here watching a 14 minute KZbin video about World of Warcraft and Blizzard. People who are actually done with WoW don't constantly remind everyone, they just stop playing and find new hobbies.

[@pauldunecat]

@@jacobshaw9820Preach does more than wow. And he has his own nostalgia and access dreams so tries to be positive. It's a losing battle. Wow will always disappoint.

[@YouTubeChillZone]

@jacobshaw9820 Many people watch out of curiosity. For example, I played the original WOW but I abandoned the game at level 20, around 100 years ago but I like to look at the copium about this game.

[@Diavolo222]

@@KZbinChillZone Neah, that argument is not valid anymore. It's halfway through 2024. People still reminded people that WoW is dead and that they left. Bro, it's still the best and most played MMO by far. Stop lying to yourselves. Just quit and be done with it. I've taken even 2 expansion worth of breaks cause I didnt like it and u never saw me commenting how I didnt like it and its dead. It went on fine without me.

[@snozzmcberry2366]

I'm in crippling agony after that "I'm not a coward" clip. Thank you, Mike.

[@BlueWoWTaylan]

That WoW bubble has burst for me a while ago now. Don't see myself returning there any time soon.

[@letzte_maahsname]

So sad to hear, I can still remember all the great times we had. Who are you again?

[@Sluppie]

Same honestly. For a while it seemed like there was a new alleged "wow killer" every other week. Yet the only thing that killed wow for me was wow itself. It doesn't help that they're basically just doing what private servers have already done first. Don't mind the haters above me. Just think of how much they reflect the toxicity WoW has always had.

[@twall4381]

@@Sluppie why do losers like you watch full content of wow and comment then?

[@XiLock_Alotx]

Like the subtle touch of the Dawntrail lanyard on your co host sitting on the couch 😂😂😂

[@luzkenin]

1:58 best part

[@ryanboyer6865]

Why we do wow grandma like that 😂

[@bedrosianbaol8930]

The only thing Blizzard hasn't resolved yet is the monthly payment. Once that is resolved too, the players will increase dramatically. But hey...as Ghostclawler said: "If you can pay for Amazon Prime or Netflix you can also pay for a monthly subscription to an MMORPG!"

[@robertsandee3349]

So Everquest fixed the MMO problem. Not WoW.

[@mierkov5204]

The real "wow bubble" is the one where the majority of the player base doesn't see anything outside of wow and assumes that they invent all the things they copy lol

[@cattysplat]

@@mierkov5204 One of the ironies in WoW's downfall was that there were no more MMOs to copy and steal new ideas from.

[@Kasaaz]

It's a very impressive cadence of releases. It will be interesting to see if it's sustainable. Either from the point of creating this content or players feeling deluged by it. For now, it's absolutely the right move.

[@noreply-mp]

Damn Preach you lost a lot of weight. GG bro

[@JRileyD]

The winds wont change until a new MMO hits the market that draws people to the game that dont play games like WoW did.

[@xGooselordx]

blink twice if blizzard has your family

[@trxe420]

I can confirm, it does happen. I am one of those guys with a career and a family and I also play retail, cata, sod, d4, FFXIV and a few other games. It was easy for awhile because Blizzard would have huge content draughts, but now I am being forced to choose between things like P3 SOD or MOP Remix, can't do both. Something has to give, usually it's sleep for me lol. I would very much love it if there was only 1 version of wow, but none of us can agree what that should be. There are things about retail I love and hate and things about classic I love and hate. I think it's going to be a growing problem if Blizzard keeps cannibalizing their audience.

[@SpartanSharp]

So to conclude: How Jagex SOLVED the MMO Problem by creating OSRS, Ironman (Hardcore) and Leagues (Seasonal) for Runescape, and then Blizzard followed suit. Can't really give Blizzard the credit here when it wasn't their idea.

[@DrJadedragon]

DDO (dungeons and dragons online) solved it in a great way. You reincarnate and can replay content you leveled past, and you get slightly more powerful every new reincarnation… and there are 140+ reincarnations to go through.

[@ethangraner7102]

The most greedy company of them all solved the MMO problem? Sure

[@PrettyGuardian]

I always loved the quarterly cadence of updates that ESO had managed. I was surprised when New World started trying to do "seasons" because I knew what an undertaking that was... Unfortunately they couldnt keep up with it.

[@zayon0170]

the whole video doesnt consider PvP players, we are getting destroyed by this new ecosystem... you spread an already small amount of player, creating even smaller groups, so then when you try join something there are 40min queues......

[@maxpowers4436]

Wow has never been a pvp game it's been an pve game with pvp features. Since vanilla pvp was added on. The sooner you accept this the better for your mental state

[@thumbwarriordx]

Wildstar was a great game. It was so engaging for an MMO that almost everybody in our guild agreed it was actively fatiguing. Which paradoxically feels amazing. You gold starred a dungeon and you really felt like you did something hard, and we're all tired, but we got through it *together* But the devs had a rough time making very necessary tweaks to the game like letting people do multiple objectives for raid attunement concurrently. 3 months to patch too long. 20 world bosses was one of the requirements, a massive timesink and you couldn't do it alongside speedrunning and ranking the dungeons or doing the world quests. Serializing the steps meant fewer participants in the pool for *everything* Whatever the cause it can precipitate quickly into collapse of the playerbase, and it did. A little quality of life and some server transfers before the WoW expansion launched would have gone a LONG way.

[@johndoe-qo8cy]

Thanks for pointing out the WoW bubble. Time to bust out imo.

[@CostasPowah]

What cinematic is that with the lich king? Astonishing!

[@JohnnyMaverik]

No... i can confirm the bubble can be escaped. I found it pretty easy.

[@JuicyJonesHQ]

NEOCRON IS STILL GOING?!?!? Whoa what a blast from the past. I could swear I looked into it at some point and it wasn’t around any more. Nice!

[@MrDean-zz2se]

Hey preach, let's get a beer.

[@tomia89]

just paused my sub couple days ago, i dont have time to play wow, even if i would like, for retail i like to play m+, maybe some bgs here and there, maybe lfr if need for some reason. dont even bother for cata, Sod is ok, but cant really do anythign in there cause times i could play the game is empty, dont see reason to pay montly for this. switching back for Guild wars 2, and some darktide/helldivers 2 on spare time. and there are many more games on list i would like to have time to play. the more inflation eats everything out of my life the wow sub is 1st to drop off

[@RizampGaming]

I'm just sad Vanguard: Saga of Hereos doesn't even make the failed list anymore

[@Tripsbro]

They didn’t change the game. They just gave accessibility to vanilla content. The same thing EQ has been doing for years. The unfortunate reality is that retail wow is broken and has the least amount of content of any mmo. It has no cohesion, it’s only content is the latest expansion, with little time walking events. Hell they can’t even put it on console. Retails been so pruned in class abilities that there really is not an excuse. What they have done is not grand, it’s a bandaid fix on an issue that will never be addressed.

[@MrBCWalker01]

If you want to know how big a deal this is, consider this: Wizards of the Coast are copying this model for D&D going forward via the new VTT in their Walled Garden app.

[@candykit5382]

More patches and cycling existing playerbase inside their ecosystem... hm. No desire to come back though, I did some DF and did not enjoy the experience, and I see no reason to play old content again. I guess this is good for people who don't want to do anything else. Like none of the patches is content. Its just rereleasing old stuff and slap a new system in. Redesign a few fights in a single dungeon in season of discovery. But people treat it as content because they want to do the same thing yet again.

[@Zesijamez]

Paragon video never coming out. ☹

[@RemnentsPasts]

This only works because blizzard hard kill old content. Shelve it and discourage people from not just engaging with the new stuff. The lack of evergreen content sucks and what draws me into FF14 more. The content is always there and always relevant if you want to seek those rewards and people do.